Omg I finally finished the subtitles! Sorry it took so long, but 2hrs of of a video is hard to get done quickly ahaha Hope this helps those of you who need subtitles on!

Fate was the biggest example of how predominantly female led properties are not taken seriously by cast or creators. Properties such as Marvel are taken so seriously and accuracy is almost demanded but when it’s things enjoyed by women we get stuff like Sabrina and Riverdale

Bloom mother was so kind in the original, why can’t we have loving parents. Anyone else missed her adoptive mother Vanessa

i dont understand why they canceled the girly, pretty aspect of the show despite being one of the main reasons people watched it other than the story but me personallly i fell in love with world ,clothes and the transformations causee it felt like an escape from reality and just entering a world with everything girly and pretty and just everything nice.they are trying to make a woke feminism show with female inpowerment but are contradicting themselves by thinking anything feminine is seen as weak

So I wasn’t the only one who kind of rolled my eyes when they heard that the show was going to be “mature” and “adult”. It seems like most of the time, that means writers are going to take an almost high school mentality of “adult = sex/drugs/gore” and use that to paper over other more fundamental writing issues.

Bloom is a very headstrong and stubborn character in the animated series but ig the live action only focused on that aspect of her personality and made her so arrogant and egotistical. They completely skipped bloom’s kindness and selflessness for her friends and people she cares about

I was personally offended by the interview were Brian critised the winx's hair by saying they're unrealistic and a bad model for young girls. Yes they're super long but Tecna and S1-2 Musa had short hair. And s1 Bloom had her stop at her waist, some people do have hair that stop there, I'm one of them.

Musa is basically that meme "me, an empath"

the cast not knowing shit about Winx club was the most disrespectful thing ever. These people got the part for ICONIC characters in what is now one of the biggest shows of 2022 and 2021 and they didn't even bother to watch ONE SEASON of Winx club???

Why are female friendships so hard to write for these people? It's really not that hard...

Them coming for the guy for actually reading the characters wiki page is making me lose it 😭😭😭😭

I feel the og winx club had the dark story lines they wanted and could have dug deeper. •Bloom’s parents( I know they use it in the show but I feel part of the mystery is lost like where is daphne.) •Bloom being one of the last of the girls to transform. •The techno magic ( justice for techna) •BRANDON!!!!! Like come on Sky hiding his identity as prince from bloom and Stella not knowing Brandon wasn’t a prince! It writes itself! •Stella being the sun and moon fairy dealing with her parents rocky relationship. •Aisha’s love interest dying…. Anyway I can go on and on about how the template was laid out before them and they ruined it. 😢

Wow that's really disappointing to hear about the actors. Like every other month we hear some celebrity share what crazy thing they did to method prepare for a role, and these actors couldn't be bothered to watch at least one season to get a feel for their characters? Maybe it was also a lack of good direction from their executives who also clearly picked Winx out of an algorithm hat not bothering to research the IP before adapting it.

I hate how winx sarga starts with bloom almost killing her parents and going to the school and winx club original starts with a girl obsessed with fairytales and draws them on her wall and finds one in the park one day and protects it with magic.

FATE: *Already cancelled* Lisa: Let's destroy them 😈😌

Thank you for calling out the actors, they genuinely pissed me off how they were asked in interviews and livestreams and didn’t know A SINGLE THING. How do you get cast in a live adaptation and not care enough to watch the source material like I cannot fathom that.

Lisa hating on vapes is a whole mood

i feel like 90% of this shows failures are due to pure arrogance. the actors not bothering to at least watch the first episodes of the show, the writer thinking he can just whip up a story as he goes, the costume designers thinking they are able to dress for a show that has cute young 2000s fashion at its core after only doing costumes for middle aged mums. just a bunch of people who lied on their application (and probably know somebody who knows somebody honestly)

I still don’t understand how they say they must keep the other world a secret from the first world but they have Instagrams, tumblrs, all that like💀

Loved everything you said about Aisha (55:00) .As a black girl when Aisha first come on to the original animation I was ecstatic . They made her a princess and EVERYTHING and represented her RIGHT. So when I watched the live adaptation thinking things would atleast be similar, I was disappointed on how she was represented. Because it seemed like she was mostly there to help bloom with HER problems.🤷🏿‍♀️

All in all, say it with me people: no matter what continuation or adaption, Aisha is not allowed to have nice things. It's despicable, it's EVIL. ELECTRIC CHAIR😭I am so tired of seeing my black girlies suffer unnecessarily * Bonnie flashbacks intensify *

I think Terra was transitioning to the mineral magic, so we would't have two plant fairies in the main cast. This started when they first used convergence crystal, that's why she has "crystal" wings

Because I saw so many people talk about Wednesday recently, all I have to say is I wish people would just write their own shows with fairy magic or a little goth teen. A lot of stuff lately has had no reason to actually be related to the characters or shows its remaking other than to make money off of old fans. It makes me sad.

an original feature-length film: _i sleep._ lisa's 2 hour long deep dive on fate the winx saga: _REAL SHIT?_

Late to the party but if Jacob Elordi can read The Kissing Booth books to prepare for his role, these actors could've watched one season of Winx at the very least

I'll never forget that they tried to whitewash Flora then backed out making a new character to avoid the backlash

Fate is a big example on how execs really care less for the source material they are adapting from. Especially if the source material was made with a female audience in mind. Considering Brian Young made The Vampire Diaries, I’m not surprised by the racism, fake wokeness, jerk main characters, and shallowness.

it’s just occurred to me that if they wanted to do grungy or modern or dark or whatever it is they were going for type of fairies, they had an entire grunge fairy core/goblin core aesthetic trending in front of them. it was right there, with dark and earth tones, jeans and fairy wings, electronic music etc. ofc it has nothing in common with the original aesthetic but at least it would’ve been something fun and new to watch while retaining the overall vibe they themselves were aiming for

Darcy could be an example of a fairy who masters two elements, the power of the mind and the power of light.

Why would you even need to vape in fate if maybe a stress relieving spell can exist.

the green lighting on Flora is just.. uncreative. "It's a plant faerie so, lets just do green" personally I would have liked to see very warm sunlight. This just makes her look pale and ill.

This show feels like the person responsible for research was watching the original show while browsing instagram, eating dinner and talking on the phone. The plot is literally mix and match of random plot points of the original show.

Honestly, we have to acknowledge the character development they gave to Diaspro and Darcy was really nice to see. Same for Stormy's. Sad we didn't get to know why they made themselves pass as Stella and Musa or why Stormy changed her name. That was the biggest mystery of the show.

Netflix (cast or otherwise) not respecting source material? I'm shocked.

If something's marketed as a dark and gritty or more "adult" adaption of an existing show, I find it's generally best to assume that what you'll be getting is probably more likely to be juvenile than mature.

A two hour video on Fate/Winx?? What a holiday treat 😭 Thanks, Lisa!

Musa is so terribile in fate. whitewashing, arc goes nowhere and makes her look selfish, horrendous outfits.

I just realised the writing section is more than an hour long 😭 reap it to shred bestie 💅

Spot on analysis! I can tell you put in a lot of research and even brought in points I never considered before. To add onto the art direction, as someone who grew up in Ireland, I think Brian Young used the location as a crutch to sell the whole 'fairy' vibes. I understand to him as an American the Irish landscape is "unusual" and "magical" in the same vein as me watching anime and thinking the sailor school uniforms and places like Tokyo or Kyoto are "anime". Places like the village at Alfea or the landscape where Bloom and Sky have their horse ride are like less than an hour drive from any city. Idk, if it's the same for people outside of Ireland, but Fate just looks extra mundane and less fantastical to me and just comes off as lazy. No work was put into the worldbuilding or art direction to actually make it fantastical. Also, your criticisms of Flora really hit the nail on why Fate fails at being mature. Dark topics such as character deaths, war, child-soldiers and genocide aren't treated with the level of nuance and focus and depth required. A big issue I had with season 2 was how the show glosses over character deaths. Sky kills his father, something so traumatic for anyone to experience, let alone a teenager and the show brushes it off. Bloom kills Rosalind and they make it about how dangerous and out of control Bloom is and not on the fact that she just murdered someone. Beatrix losing her father and becoming an orphan and Gray losing his brother in a genocide are glossed over and are used to paint them as villains rather than add some nuance. Worse all, Bloom is supposed to be a normal 16 year old from California and she's taken away from the safety and mundane of earth to a world of dangerous monsters, wars, deaths, killing with her at the epicentre of it all and she's just so unfazed and unbothered about it all. The darkness is just the aesthetic of maturity, and if you take away the aesthetic the writing is on par with the writing past season 4 of the Winx club. Incredibly childish.

Not Lisa's face cam being the most aesthetically pleasing thing in the whole vid

when you said they were thinking to focus on the guys instead I was out the door ... why does this always happen with girl shows, they are so desperate to change them as if they are "flawed" by just being fun and feminine, like what ?? It's seen as an undesirable tone for a series unless it's meant to be stirical and it's so sad. And not to mention the whole situation where poc, lgbtq or most minorities in general have to have their "struggle moment" where we are reminded yet again that we are just a social case and can't just exist like regular human beings ... literally you're so right, why can't there be one show where we just live in peace and have fun ? I see a lot of people keep pushing the petition to bring fate back and I just find it disrespectful when the creator of the show has expressed how he doesn't like this version basically and that he is making a proper one, and they are still out there being like nah let's continue this hot mes ... girlfriend stop (no offense to anyone liking it but I would be upset if my art got changed beyond recognition and my fans would actually support it instead when I announced that I want to remake it properly).

9:15 sorry if i’m petty for this but i hope at least one of the actors from fate sees this video and feels ashamed of how they treated their roles with such disregard. like i really want them to be more embarrassed than they are lmao

The design of Alfea in Fate could've been the bees knees. Something similar to Winx Club Alfea that's bright, cosy, and full of wonder on the outside. And contrast it with darker interiors. Maybe not a full on Cloud Tower aesthetics, but with deeper and darker colours. Could have been a very visual representation of the duality of characters.

Aisha being the "token black girl" and the "black best friend" was infuriating.

Finally someone who speaks the truth about stellatrix 🙈 people romanticize that “you had me” so much that they fail to realise that no, stella wasnt there for beatrix when she really needed her and also a person you have only known for a few months cant replace family...

There is more effort put into this video than the actual show

Live action transformations are difficult, but if the Power Rangers can pull it off then so could this show! We don't need much, but give us something! P.S. I freaking love your videos so much!

They could have just made Techna a lighting fairy similar to Beatrix but just made her really adept with technology, I mean they completely changed Musa's magic sooo. But we'll never really know now will we lmao

can we please appreciate the amount of work and detailing Lisa put into this? like, girl you deserve a thousand likes/views just for having to rewatch this ridiculous show to make such a DEEP deep dive

"a contest of who can get the most emotional" 💀💀💀 I am so dead

I miss the days where the only Winx I know is the fun show that's just as much about friendship as it is about family dynamic. The show that gently introduce kid me to what family issues are and someway to overcome it, through cool and pretty fairy besties.. so much lost potential :"(

Aisha was my favorite Winx too! Her personality and her powers were so cool. I would love a legit adult adaptation of Winx. Like Aisha was blinded! A whole planet was thought to be dead! Like come on the darkness is there!

Lisa you just made my day not just with the thoughtful criticism and hilarious commentary but because I had *no idea* it got canceled and now I'm over the moon god fucking bless

So many of your notes are what I thought while watching the show. My thoughts were short, fleeting and not well thought-out like how you're explaining it. But I love how deep you went with this. Especially the part where Flora talks about love instead of rushing to do their task, and 1:17:00. And Stella not seeing Beatrix on the floor. And Bloom not being likeable, selfish. And the girl group not actually being friends... It's weird

First time I’ve seen this youtuber. She’s so good at articulating her critiques in a calm intelligent way. I don’t know what her background is but she seems to have an expansive knowledge of all aspects of film production

I can’t understand how if Beatrix parents were assumedly blood witches then howwwww is she a fairy not a blood witch 😭

This show I honestly think could’ve been handled sooo much better than what it is

Friendly reminder that Beatrix's actress was 17 when S1 was shot.

Bloom literally was horribly written, she’s meant to be the strong glue between the girls. The person that takes care of everyone and leads them like this bloom is too selfish to be bloom

If I knew nothing about the original Winx I would not be able to tell you why the girls like each other at all, or anything about the plot, like really I have no idea what Fate was even going for as their end goal it seemed like just a lot of teenage angst bs and fake feminism.

Fate the winx saga is definitely not a live action of winx club but instead it's own Fairy Fantasy show

there’s so many channels out there that “analyze” shows but just go over the plot and i’m so glad to have found this channel that actually analyzes the show

The male fairies denial is pissing me off for some reason, like MEN cant have shiny wings and pastel colored clothing ? They gave us the oversexualized, already tired bisexual twist for the represantation I guess? Bye 😭😭Also, I'm saying this as someone who has grown attached to the show + was excited to see season 3 after the finale

I think a live action winx would always be hard to pull off, since the medium is far more limiting than animation. however there were so many other artistic options that would have created a better show than what fate was.

1:02:40 People who are aromantic and/or asexual : 👁👄👁

considering how much this video gave you a headache, and it's 2 hours long, im proud of you for getting it out 👏👏

O we know why Aisha wasn’t a princess…. And before anyone points it out…Bloom was clearly gonna be told she was a princess in season 3 or after. To me the writer showed no growth from writing Bonnie from the vampire diaries. In fact,Aisha and Bonnie are lowkey parallels.

thank you for talking about the show in such an eloquent & detailed way - i had so many thoughts and you perfectly worded it! after all, i was still sad to see the show being cancelled, especially seeing the success it had & i will forever be mad at the missing 3rd season..

I remember when Icy wanted "CHRISTMAS POWERS" when bloom mentioned it in the original show I think in Season 1 and no one knew what the heck A Christmas

4:11 Female Specialists also existed, it's hinted at in the S1 episode where Darcy disguises as one. Edit : oh wait she talked about it XD Well, I'll leave the comment for the algorithm

I have heard this « oh yeah it’s not like the real story but it’s a good serie » type of argument so many times with Netflix series and I m so tired of it 😭 it’s the case for Fate ofc but it was also the case recently with Wednesday for example. They forget everything about the original show (the friendship between winx, the family relationship in Addams Family) and made a completly different story and background and atmosphere and then they just put a name that everyone already know because it will bring existing fandom. At the end all the series look the same and the themes are unoriginal 😢 Btw those deep dive video are also so well constructed Thank you Lisa ❤

I can't believe that they didn't to the research of the characters they were going to play.

I had not even realized this before, but the last part of Solaria being big caught me off guard so badly. Had it not been said in this video I wouldn't even have realized that was what they were going for. I really thought it was a small country based on the vibe, they also felt weak despite them telling us they're strong because the burnt ones were few but they reacted like an army pulled up. But NOTHING can compare to the fact they REMOVED the red fointain and witch tower academies! They had so much to work with from the original, the different realms were literally shown and we got small amounts of lore from them. They just had to use it, but they didn't! The world building is so lacking the kids show literally did it better. I can't say I'm surprised because at least the original had self respect unlike this empty husk of a series. (No offense if you liked it but I did not)

I gotta say, I’m LOVING these deep dive videos; your view points are so interesting and you put it in a way that makes it so easy to watch a 2 hr long video all at once, I already watched your deep dive video about winx at least three times, honestly you are so great at this (a podcast from you would be a chefs kiss) anyway love the content Lisa, great work 👌🏻

My personal favorite is the wings that change size in every shot. I know that these effects are hard thats why there should have been either physical special effects or the should have used like shape like green thingies (I forgot the name)

I actually found Flora one of the least unlikable characters in s2, purely because Terra was like. SO unbelievably awful to her, for literally no reason? Like, the thing with the Risky Magic Drug Injection was definitely irresponsible and stupid, but when she tried to talk about it earlier on Terra was SO dismissive and rude and, frankly, really irresponsible herself. Like, if you care about saving this guy so much, and you respect your cousin, why won't you let her get a single word in edgewise? The only unironically well-written scene in the entire show imo was Riven telling Musa off for how disrespectful it was to think she could just Be A Specialist without any real training. It also made sense for her character, since she's very literally never had to Try for her powers to work

What went wrong? Someone deciding to make a new winx series and forgetting to add their whole STYLE, and stripped away the concept of the world and the winx girls themselves. They literally took away what made them memorable, stylish, and what made them…winx.

Everyone sit down, the contemporary art queen posted

Imagine doing a winx Adaptation... Then make it nothing like winx, just riverdale on steroids and then be suprised winx fans get upset...

1:31:19 I mean, it also doesn't make sense for people trained to be soldiers (ergo, aware of your surroundings at all times). Like, it doesn't matter that my oblivious ass doesn't notice a body directly to the right of me, but someone like Riven?! Naur.

All the 'woke' stuff in the show annoyed me not because they were woke, but because they were literally thrown in, as if the writers were playing Bingo with the script. I can bet actual money that the reason they suddenly made Terra a lesbian is so they could pull out the "you're just a homophobe!" card when talking about the character being a lousy replacement of Flora (who lowkey then became redundant as the ACTUAL Flora appears)

The wait is over ! So excited to watch this Lisa , your takes on Winx are always a joy :)

ah my favourite youtuber is back with a new video just when I was dying of boredom - thank you Lisa for making my evening so much better!

1:56:48 i think this could have been a good opportunity for sky (or anyone else) to go "i have no idea where that is" in a very deadpan manner. it couldve been a little comedic moment, but also would serve to further alienate Bloom in this new world and to show that yeah, things really are different now. nobody knows anything l about bloom or her culture, and she doesnt know theirs.

I am loved so much you including K-pop memes of Zimbalazim and Anti-ti-ti-ti fragile will always be iconic. Thank you so much for this Deep Dive into Fate: The Winx Saga! I agree so many characters like Flora and Aisha were so underutilized in the show.

Terra could have been a wild card like a similar character was in Teen Titans. Pops up, has a crush on everyone, hopes to find Flora so they could help each other with their powers. It could've been so fun and dynamic. "You don't have to force yourself to understand flowers if you like rocks" "I think I like both" like give us a rich bi flavored broth to cozy up with over a season with a sprinkling of fairy magic??? Is it that hard lmao Geology magic would've explained her crystal wings too 😭 it was all right in front of them

Your analysis has deepened and matured spectacularly. This video deserves over a million views for the research and care you've put it into it.

since I haven't watched Fate and don't intend to, I'm here just to praise the looks you're serving, thx 💖

Your Analysis of shows are always so entertaining ! No matter the length of the video i just have so much fun watching it , and it always give me ideas to create my own things , thank you so much for your videos , they are really inspiring! About Fate i didnt even watched it , but i saw all the analysis on youtube , it was such a missed opportunity , and i just hope that the series can get a good adaptation in the future , that can respect the original while being creative .

I am glad you talked about the structure of how shows are released nowdays on Netflix😮‍💨. Since there was more time each season before streaming, you could focus alot more on character development and have just fun filler episodes. Nowdays you can't have that. The story needs to me more tight with only 8 episodes. I think If fate season 2 had more episodes, they could have moved the bonding moments and the random moments where Flora askes about peoples dating lives, into the time between the story episodes😟 and actually make them feel like a group. Adding a 6th girl was a mistake, becauese we barely have time to develop her. Flora steals time from the others. Also the writing in season 2 wasn't that bad, I just think with more bugdet or if it was animated, they could have had more locations. The world feels so small and unintersting. It just doesn't make sense. Sebastian could have been more threatening if he had a better outfit and if they showed how powerful he is visually.

IVE BEEN WAITIN FOR THIS ONE

Give me the TEAAAAAAA

the hair girl im screaming your fits in each videos always got me on such a chokehold pffff 💖 we love a queen that go out of her way to experiment with different styles

Finally got to sit down to watch this and oh MY god... if only the writers had done a fraction of the Research you did with this Video 🥲 incredible work as always💞

thanks for bringing up and analysing all these details

Love me some of your winx deep dives 🙏🏾

I was waiting for this video! Thank you Lisa 🥰

11:37 There's no way OG Bloom wouldn't have had an Harry Potter phase. #NotMyBloom

I have been following you for a couple months now and as someone who is interested in becoming a Creative Director for movies, I feel like I have learned so much from you. You are actually one of my favorite film critics. Keep up the good work girlie. 💖

New Lisa Fevral video, deep dive even of Winx, day automatically improved. Amazing as always!