You are so right Sleeve city Ultimate inner is by far the best .

Paper sleeves, possibly depending on how they're made or something - I don't know - can deteriorate over time. A couple years ago I opened an LP from 1975 that had paper particles all over it.

Wow!! Lucky guy!

True!

That material is called glassine. Have hundreds of those sleeves with 35 mm negatives inside them.

HDPE

best I have used, too. Padded on both sides. I use their 3 mil resealable outers or the 4 mil Clearbags resealable for outers

Any specific flat bottom one that you found which fits inside the pictured sleeve best?

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The problem is that the MoFi don't fit inside the original sleeve, not the album. Of course they fit inside the album. Cost is not connected to efficiency, especially considering that as you have underlined it is very fluctuate. I am not defending Nagaoka but the concept, which is indeed the best to take care of your record and at the same time preserve the original layout. If you don't care storing the record out of its original innersleeve then MoFi is an excellent choice. In any case a lot of people pointed out that in the US you have a valid alternative made from invest in vinyl, which appear to be the same as Nagaoka and 10$ less than the MoFi.

@@anadialog Sure, but unlike you many people are not concerned with 'using' an original inner sleeve, and would prefer to preserve them. Many people prefer to remove the vinyl without pulling the whole inner sleeve out. Your arguments against adding a MoFi-style sleeve are silly. MoFi style sleeves can be found for $25/100 on Amazon (Square Deal makes them) for those of us in North America. The 'extra space they take up' inside the cover is literally the thickness of a piece of rice paper lol..

Thanks for the tip!

Thank YOU

You are very welcome!

Hello could you tell us the address of this French store ? Thanks merci Daniel de france

@@danielbdbe www.maplatine.com/fr/pochettes-et-rangements-pour-disques-vinyles/1007-pochettes-antistatiques-nagaoka-n-102-par-50.html

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No big problem Neil. Nagaoka is just a more clever and effective solution. Why? Multiply your MoFi sleeves for all your record collection. If you have thousands like me, that is going to be a LOT of extra space eaten up from the thickness of the MoFi sleeves. Moreover, adding a MoFi sleeve, in some cases, occupies too much space inside the cover, deforming it. Plus, as I have explained I like to pull out my record from the original sleeve. If I use the MoFi I am rarely going to see the original because most times I am going to leave it inside. Nagaoka makes you use the record as it was intended without adding extra space.

ANA[DIA]LOG I totally understand your situation. I have been an audiophile for over 53 years now when my only source of quality audio was records. I prefer to use the term vinyl but I now hear that that's a NoNo. It took me 17 years after the introduction of the CD player to actually find a musical sounding player so over time I have stopped buying vinyl and have purchased thousands of CDs and I only have about 800 vinyl recordings that sound worthy to my ears. Been using Mofy sleeves for so many years that the space situation that you're referring to is not mine. That's why my reply was to put them side-by-side in the record jacket. Didn't really seem to take up hardly any additional room. Thanks for your kind reply.

Everyone has its own solutions ans habits! ;-)

They cost slightly more $32,99 ( keepa.com/#!product/1-B009AOLH8G ). Amazon goes up and down. I do see that they are not that much distributed in the US. In Europe everyone uses Nagaoka. That is why I did this video so late, because here it is just obvious. They are very well made. You can say anything but that they are not high quality. They inveted the quality inner sleeve in the late 70's. MoFi does not fit in the original record jacket and they take up extra space. They are just not practical IMO.

There's no problem, his arguments against using MoFi sleeves are pretty silly, especially the claim that they take up a 'LOT' of 'extra space'. That is not even an issue as you would know as a MoFi user lol.

Not a chance! :-) I like my records inside and pull them out...for me its heaven!

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As long as you are using outer sleeves and stack your Lps upright you will not have a problem with ringwear lol...It's ridiculous to suggest storing Lps outside/behind the album covers to prevent ringwear...

I know it’s the hip thing these days, but I won’t ever put my records behind the jacket for the simple reason that most gatefold jackets are not that flat and you risk warpsge like that. Just my .02

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4 syllables Naw-ga-oye-ka or Naw-ga-oak-a, it is a city in Japan, I had to look it up myself a year of so ago. :)

@@anadialog 4 syllables Naw-ga-oye-ka or Naw-ga-oak-a, it is a city in Japan, I had to look it up myself a year of so ago. :) I have heard Naw-gow-ka and Naw-goy-ka by other websites, but it is a Japanese word with the accent on the "ga"

Yes, that is precisely the winning point of the Nagaoka. They fit, always!

Nice!

If you don't care having the record outside the original sleeve then I would go MoFi

Or keep them loose....

Indeed, a lot of people do that but I don't work for a museum. I want to enjoy my records and use them as you are supposed to, which is also why I don't use plastic covers on the outside. I want to feel, touch and smell the paper and the different parts of a record. What is the point to preserve them to that extent? So others when I am dead will use them instead of me when I was alive? Not my choice but I understand collectors, I just can't do that, which is also why I think the Nagaoka are the best because I have maximum protection and at the same time I can use the record in all its parts.

@@anadialog you don’t even use plastic outer sleeves? Wow. That’s like one of the most fundamental ways to preserve your records over time. Well you do you man, I think the nagaoka sleeves work well in your case but the whole passing the vinyl to your kids thing you mentioned won’t hold up very well. Moreover I think these “unquestionably” being the greatest inner sleeve is a stretch when there are obvious downsides to it and you yourself acknowledged that collectors may see it a different way. At the end of the day this seems more subjective than definitive.

I make the graphics 😎 You can find them here: teespring.com/ana-dia-log-tape-reels?tsmac=store&tsmic=anadialog-gear&pid=389&cid=100020 Obviously there are various colors and sizes. The entire store is here: teespring.com/stores/anadialog-gear

If they fit in the original inner sleeve, congrats!

If it has artwork the answer IMO is yes! Otherwise, no problem, get a MoFi!

I don't have any problem with them. It's just a matter of convenience. They don't fit in all the original sleeves, your talking about the covers perhaps. Plus they curl in the bottom because they are square and they are very think. If you multiply that for thousands of records like me that is a hell of waisted space.

Maybe a few but not most and certainly not all. So from me it's a no no

Thanks! If the sound is the same I wouldn't do anything, might get worse...

@@anadialog Thank you for answer! 😆👍

They are both excellent...just very expensive! If you manage to find something made of polyethylene with the same dimensions, go for them

@@anadialog I ended up finding the 102 in a store for 30 euros, purchased two of them, though the price was still reasonable so went ahead with it ;)

Last time I tried they did not fit INSIDE the sleeves, and for me that is paramount

@@anadialog I see, I just ordered them as they're only 15 EUR, the best second option is 35 EUR and I only have 8 vinyls so far.. just starting out and wanted to change the inner sleeves as I heard they're bad. I'll see if they work if not I'll return them, thanks!

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The price went up after the video was published because everyone bought them. Here you can see that the standard price is usually 32.99$: keepa.com/#!product/1-B009AOLH8G

I find the solution to put uour records externally unbearable. It looks ugly and you just need to keep them loose. I want to enjoy my records not preserving them for the next rich guy or crappy shop once I am dead

THX! No, I hate to touch plastic. I need to touch the true record cover and don't want either that extra step of taking it out.

@@anadialog im guessing you are not a fan of keeping the shrink wrap either?

Exactly!

That is not the real price! As I said in the video it's usually 27-30$. They probably finished them on Amazon. They will be back in stock in a while. Invest in vinyl in Italy is much more expensive, almoat 40€!!. I hope they are good. After trying 4 times with other brands I gave up!

@@anadialog That IS the real price amazon.com/dp/B07CYKRVRW/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_0xEcFbHG63Z6C As for Muraoka, even the price you quoted is twice the cost. Not a good idea to call someone a liar unless you can back it up.

@@AriKona I don't recognize you! I thought you knew me. I did not call you a liar I just claimed my point. If you think about it, actually it was YOU that defined me a liar in the first place with you comment. In your first comment you stated a different price after that in the video I said around 27-30$ for the Nagaoka. Again 58$ is not the price of the Nagaoka inner sleeves on Amazon. You want proof? Here it is. On Keepa you can see the price of the last months of the Nagaoka 102 on Amazon.com ( keepa.com/#!product/1-B009AOLH8G ). When I posted the video (July 10th 2020) as you can see the price on Amazon.com was: 32.99$. Absolutely not 58$. I am sure that if you hunt other online shops you will find it at a cheaper price. Moreover, I said that the inner sleevs of "Invest in vinyl" are almost 40€ IN ITALY. Remember I am italian? and so it is. Check here: www.amazon.it/Sleeves-inserisci-Collection-corretto-Investire/dp/B07CYKRVRW/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_it_IT=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=invest+in+vinyl&qid=1594493906&sr=8-2 As you can see the price is 37.52€ (almost, as I said, 40€) which is about 42.36$ much much more than the Nagaoka 102 (in Italy). BACKED UP

@@anadialog In my first comment all I did was go to Amazon to verify the prices. I did not say that you were falsifying anything as I respect your right to say what you want. Since I have been down this same road and have spent way too much money on MoFi sleeves over the years, I was very happy to see Invest in Vinyl make the better sleeve (like Nagaoka) and at a more reasonable price. I certainly understand that Amazon (and other retailers) may have different prices at different time as well as where they are located (US vs EU). I guess when I see "Unquestionably the best record inner sleeve", I am hoping to find that to be true. The simple addition of IMO (something I often do) would make it more palatable. So, I apologize for saying you called me a liar as, in truth, you did not. I would suggest purchasing one order of Invest in Vinyl sleeves, take one of them and one of the Nagaoka, turn out the lights and see if you can tell the difference. I can't. And this could be why Invest in Vinyl is a best seller on Amazon. Keep on producing videos, they are useful, even if we don't always agree. ☮️

Fantastic! They are always unavailable...too bad I live in Italy

Compared to normal plastic it is much less. Yes, I did a dedicated video on the topic: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a8V0fs6d0brbqac.html

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Have to be careful of composition. May ruin records in the long run. It’s just better to get quality sleeves. Will last forever and protect correctly your records.

They are harder to find. I found an Italian company that makes them almost identical at a fraction of the price

Hi Jon! I don't know how you clean them but I think there is no problem if you keep the brush parallel to the record surface. I've never heard of smaller brushes but you never know...

@@anadialog i could cut a regular brush in half but it would be my luck all the bristles would fall out.

That they are not round so they will not fit properly and/or easily in the original inner sleeve. That is one of the main features of Nagaoka.

I know, a lot of people do that now. I could never do that. Its like with books, I need to touch, smell and live the record and its cover, especially when it's a gatefold.

Not a great 45rpm collector. Just normal square paper/plastic sleeves.

@@anadialog will there be any issues in the future if I use normal plastic/paper sleeves?

IMO just simple paper is a little risky, better plastic or like the Nagaoka, high-density polyethylene.

@@anadialog Low Density Polyethylene is okay?

Sure, better than paper...

Exactly!

Yeppp i can hear the scratch lol try to bend the very edge up and guide is what I try to do lol

I don't use them but thanks for pointing that out. I am afraid several will disagree

@@anadialog A LOT of people will disagree. But those same people don't try out it and see for themselves. There are forums out there talking about this issue.

These are ment ONLY to be inserted in the original sleeve as their round shape clearly states.

That's what I use

Or chemical leaching from the paper? Paper is abrasive and sheds particles which collect in the grooves, plus they attract mold if stored for long periods like you say.

He's melodramatic.

PVC is very stable. That grainy paper! If you press it, it will scratch the surface of the record. It is rather logic, plus after some time the paper will leak acids or may shed particles in teh grooves. It is of very bad quality. This is a well-known problem. They are surely not using acid-free paper. Plus, don't forget the anti-static effect of the Nagaoka or similar inner sleeves.

@@anadialog Don't get me wrong, my precious audiophile recordings are in very good sleeves, but I have collected over 1000 records, and many have survived with the stock inner sleeves for over 50 years if you store them correctly away from temperature extremes and humidity. Also there is a proper way to remove a recording from a sleeve, and replace a disk back in a sleeve us old schoolers used for decades. Is common sense we used when there were no other sleeves other than the one you got with the record. Too lengthy to explain here, perhaps I will put up a video.

I know. They finished them immediately (in the US) but they will be back in stock. Don't fall for other prices!

ANA[DIA]LOG thanks. I really liked your video on the speaker set up and vibration control. The speaker set was amazing and I don’t think I even got to 100%. vibration control is a complex topic since there are so many products and many distributors have told me to not bother. It will be great to connect 1x1. I’m not as much into vinyl but getting into it. I didn’t have an old collection and building a new vinyl collection is $$$$$$

It is outside and trust me, Nagaoka does these since the 70's. Top quality for decades. Nobody ever had problems.

But it will eventually cause the printed original inner sleeve to split over time, as the record can still move around and rip the paper.