Ursa's Influence on Zuko and Azula

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CinemaOverAnalyzed

CinemaOverAnalyzed

Жыл бұрын

Throughout Avatar: The Last Airbender Ursa is nowhere to be found. Only appearing in flashbacks in Zuko Alone and as a figment of Azula’s imagination. Even with her not being present, she still holds a great deal of influence on both of her children. Shaping their perspectives and what their primary focus is. In this video, we are going to break down both Zuko and Azula's stories to really see Ursa's influence on them. Understanding why they do the things they do and what they truly searching for.
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@cynicaloptimist970
@cynicaloptimist970 Жыл бұрын
My personal theory is that Ozai, not wanting another "weak" child like Zuko, threatened Ursa into staying away from Azula so that he could raise her the way he wanted to, unless Ursa wanted to lose her daughter... forever (hint, hint).
@CinemaOverAnalyzed
@CinemaOverAnalyzed Жыл бұрын
That's interesting! Maybe that's some of the reasons she's named after her grandfather? Hopefully we get more information about Azula and her mother in the new comic coming out soon!
@Giulia-om2gl
@Giulia-om2gl 11 ай бұрын
Damn..it actually makes so much sense
@AndalusianPhilosopher
@AndalusianPhilosopher 11 ай бұрын
I want to add that perhaps after seeing that Zuko was weak when he was infant or even worse potentially a non bender Ozai and Azulon forced Ursa to have a second child. Whether Ursa wanted it or not.
@mellemadswoestenburg1296
@mellemadswoestenburg1296 10 ай бұрын
@@AndalusianPhilosopher that would not surprise me at all. There was physical and emotional abuse in Ozai and Ursa's marriage, sexual abuse doesn't seem like a stretch. In Smoke And Shadow we see that Ursa is unable to sleep in the same bed she shared with Ozai. Maybe he forced himself onto her to impregnate her with Azula.
@carolinedisalvatore9768
@carolinedisalvatore9768 15 күн бұрын
@@AndalusianPhilosopher Yeah and considering how Azula is only one or two years younger than Zuko I think it’s safe to say that Ozai didn’t waste a whole lot of time wanting another child.
@bloom8024
@bloom8024 Жыл бұрын
Ursa's impact on Zuko, Azula and the story as a whole is crazy considering she's only present in a few flashbacks
@CinemaOverAnalyzed
@CinemaOverAnalyzed Жыл бұрын
Haha, I know right! It's crazy that they were able to make such an influential character!
@chaseaphrodite3398
@chaseaphrodite3398 3 ай бұрын
Also, Azula was just a kid. She is 14 by the time of the last agni kai. Ursa isn't perfect. But she was the adult that should SEEN that Azula needed support. In the end, Zuko had Ursa, Iroh, Mai and the Gaang. Azula had herself. She tried to have her father and Ozai is Ozai (like even Iroh thought she was a monster) I still think at least Iroh and Ursa owe Azula an apologie.
@solkun8316
@solkun8316 Жыл бұрын
I think when your child thinks that her mother thinks of her as a monster something went wrong in your parenting. She needed guidance and understanding from her mother. Ursa treated them both differently. I can understand where she is coming from being abused by their father. She might develop mental issues herself. Even resentment towards her child who reminds her of her tyrannical husband. But that's her child who needs a mother who understands her and loves her and guides her. I might be projecting lol
@CinemaOverAnalyzed
@CinemaOverAnalyzed Жыл бұрын
You are right! However, I feel it is hard to put the blame on just one person. This family has so much going on. (Honestly think they all need therapy) When it comes to Azula and Ursa...it's complicated. I do believe that they love one another. But what they truly need is to sit down, maybe drink some tea, and talk about their issues head-on. I know a new Azula comic is coming out soon maybe we'll see them sort some things out.
@Giulia-om2gl
@Giulia-om2gl 11 ай бұрын
The real question is..why does Azula think that Ursa thinks she’s a monster?From what?She never said it yet she’s still so convinced about it
@Claudia_Crimson_585
@Claudia_Crimson_585 6 ай бұрын
Ursa's parenting wasn't perfect but it wasn't bad either. Ursa would scold Azula when she was acting violent and cruel like a normal mother should then her father would praise her for the way she acts. Azula must have thought that because her mother wasn't praising her behavior like her father was and came to the conclusion that her mother is scared of her and sees her as a monster.
@Lifeofalexp1
@Lifeofalexp1 2 ай бұрын
@@Claudia_Crimson_585 you have to realize that Ozai was the main problem. I don’t think he wanted her influence on Azula
@OmarO_721
@OmarO_721 10 ай бұрын
I see Azula’s and Ursa’s relationship as a parent scolding a child, for doing bad things. And that’s what all mothers should do. Ursa was simply trying her best to be a real mother to both her children. But in this case, Ozai’s negative influence on Azula had already taken its toll. Therefore, Ursa had trouble showing the motherly affection to Azula, that she gave to Zuko. But in the end, despite Azula’s behavior, Ursa still loves them. She even wanted to take both Zuko and Azula with her, when she was banished.
@CinemaOverAnalyzed
@CinemaOverAnalyzed 10 ай бұрын
I would agree that scolding isn't inherently a bad thing. However, it can become a problem when that's all a parent is doing. It's sad that every time we see these two on-screen Ursa is correcting Azula's behavior. Again, not a bad thing. But those negative memories of being scolded destroyed her childhood. Not to mention her insane father wanting her to be the perfect Fire Nation general. The Fire Nation Royal family needs a show all to there selves because it is way more complicated than what met the eye. (Sorry went on a little tangent there) Ursa does love her kids very much. Hopefully, in the future comic, we can see the rift between mother and daughter get repaired.
@dragonninjaghostgirl7981
@dragonninjaghostgirl7981 8 ай бұрын
Ursa is a flawed parent not a terrible parent. She did regret on not being there for Azula but she truly did love her. Ursa didn’t have a favorites that was Ozai.
@wingadept8793
@wingadept8793 3 ай бұрын
But she definitely gave more attention to Zuko than she did Azula, even if she may have loved them both. Zuko wears his emotions on his sleeve, whereas Azula doesn't and keeps her feelings bottled in. It's ironic really. Zuko craved his father's attention, while Azula secretly/unconsciously desired her mother's.
@teamblack204
@teamblack204 5 күн бұрын
Oh, she absolutely played favorites, and that's okay. First of all, Zuko took after her in the terms of personality. He was kind, loving and merciful like her, which obviously made it easier for Ursa to bond with Zuko. Azula, on the other hand, was pretty much like her father, personality-wise. Naturally, it was much harder for Ursa to reach out to Azula. In addition, Ursa said that she truly wished Zuko was Ikem's son (her childhood love and former fiance), not Ozai's. So with Zuko, Ursa could act like she actually had Ikem's child and pretend she's living her dream life. But with Azula, she couldn't do that. Azula was a constant reminder of her current life with Ozai. This most definitely caused Ursa to emotionally distance herself from Azula.
@angiereyes7856
@angiereyes7856 5 күн бұрын
@@teamblack204She also distance Azula because if She show love to Azula, Ozai will treat her as bad as Zuko. Ursa did really love Both her kids, its just that it was so hard for Ursa and Azula to have a real connection. Because Ursa is kind while Azula loves domination and wanted her Mom to accept her for who she is, not to be like Zuko.
@teamblack204
@teamblack204 5 күн бұрын
@@angiereyes7856 No, I agree to disagree. Ursa didn't show Azula the same sort of affection, but not because Ozai would treat her the same way he treated Zuko. If that were the case, then Ursa would have no choice but distance herself from Zuko as well since her affection was the supposed reason of the bad treatment he received. No, Ozai doesn't care how Ursa was treating Azula as long as he was able to influence her.
@angiereyes7856
@angiereyes7856 5 күн бұрын
@@teamblack204it was already too late for Ursa to distance Zuko. Ozai saw how Ursa treated Azula. So he took that as an advantage on favoring Azula to have her obey him at every turn. Come on, Ursa isn’t perfect parent of the year. She did mistakes as a parent and as a person but in the end, she tries to make things right again.
@TheUnknown-yx8zc
@TheUnknown-yx8zc 4 ай бұрын
I actually think azula had it harder than zuko. She never really had anyone in her life other than her friends. Zuko at least had his mother and uncle. I feel like if azula had more positive influences she could have been good too as she is also avatar Rokus grandchild
@CinemaOverAnalyzed
@CinemaOverAnalyzed 4 ай бұрын
It is kind of hard to compare trauma from one person to the next. But I do feel sorry for her, she really didn't have anyone looking out for her.
@wingadept8793
@wingadept8793 3 ай бұрын
Honestly the only positive influence she did have was Zuko of all people. Which is why in her own twisted way she was trying to help him in regards to him returning back to the fire nation, and trying to look out for him. Granted she was manipulative, but Zuko was in a way her rock, her moral compass. Someone that in spite everything did care for her despite their differences.
@WizardToby
@WizardToby Жыл бұрын
I like how Ursa's theater side shows up in the shows. Like how Zuko mentions "Love Amongst The Dragons" and such. It's a nice touch to show he still fondly remembers that part of his childhood among all the trauma from Ozai.
@CinemaOverAnalyzed
@CinemaOverAnalyzed Жыл бұрын
That's really cool! I think that influence is still with Azula as well. Just the way she says certain things overdramatically like "Those were wonderful performances." in The Beach. One could argue that she's always putting on her own performance.
@BlazeWolf9511
@BlazeWolf9511 Жыл бұрын
I think it’s really easy for people to focus on how Zhukov was effected by their mom, so I’m happy that this video shined some light on Azusa’s relationship with their mother as well, especially since it integrated some stuff from the comics a bit too.
@CinemaOverAnalyzed
@CinemaOverAnalyzed Жыл бұрын
There is a lot more to Azula and Ursa's relationship than what meets the eye. Both have a lot in common. I truly hope at some point they get a "true" reunion where they sit and talk about the past.
@AndalusianPhilosopher
@AndalusianPhilosopher Жыл бұрын
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed with new movies and stuff from avatar studios I truly hope so🙂
@AndalusianPhilosopher
@AndalusianPhilosopher Жыл бұрын
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed also read fanfic I am just a problem. The reunion with Azula and her mother is done quite well.
@CinemaOverAnalyzed
@CinemaOverAnalyzed Жыл бұрын
@Andalusian Artist & Poet I'll give it a read! Thanks!
@AndalusianPhilosopher
@AndalusianPhilosopher Жыл бұрын
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed you can an analysis of this fanfic. Not always one needs to focus on canon stories☺️
@nessenessekim1038
@nessenessekim1038 Жыл бұрын
2:18i read that "zuko" can mean "failure" or "loved one" I guess the creators chose this name on purpose
@CinemaOverAnalyzed
@CinemaOverAnalyzed Жыл бұрын
I didn't know that! Thanks for sharing that interesting fact =)
@Giulia-om2gl
@Giulia-om2gl 11 ай бұрын
Someone could literally make a whole movie or something similar about their family issues..i swear it’s so much stuff
@CinemaOverAnalyzed
@CinemaOverAnalyzed 11 ай бұрын
I would totally watch that. There is so much drama in this family it's INSANE!
@Giulia-om2gl
@Giulia-om2gl 11 ай бұрын
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed RIGHT?!!Damn
@AndalusianPhilosopher
@AndalusianPhilosopher Жыл бұрын
Just want to add that Azula can reconcile with her mother. Her story past the comics is not known leading up to Korra, and in Korra era Zukos family is least known about. A lot can happen during this time. Comics only extend 3 years past ATLA so there is a lot of uncovered time leading into Korra.
@AndalusianPhilosopher
@AndalusianPhilosopher Жыл бұрын
The ball is in creators court to expand and properly conclude Azulas story. Like I said in other comment threads Azulas story had been up in the air for years. And her story post show does not extend that far so there is a huge gap leading to Korra where Azulas story is unwritten.
@AndalusianPhilosopher
@AndalusianPhilosopher 7 ай бұрын
Hey did you get the chance to read new Azula comic?
@hcmloosli2657
@hcmloosli2657 Жыл бұрын
Great video! It's interesting to think about Ursa as a person instead of just the figure we saw her to be, if that makes sense. She was just as complex as any other character in the show, even though we only saw her in a few flashback scenes, and her impact on the characters she came into contact with is tangible
@CinemaOverAnalyzed
@CinemaOverAnalyzed Жыл бұрын
I understand what your saying! She is more than just a figure Ozai looms over his children's heads. She's a protective parent who will do anything to protect her children.
@olived9560
@olived9560 2 ай бұрын
great video!
@matchapatissiere5146
@matchapatissiere5146 8 ай бұрын
As much as her bad experiences, she's one of the few villains that I don't want a redemption arc. She really is a good villain in ATLA. Manipulative, cunning, calculated, the only time she had a hard time fighting is at the final Agni Kai and her 1v1 with Katara where she's on the verge of losing if Zuko doesn't intervene.
@CinemaOverAnalyzed
@CinemaOverAnalyzed 8 ай бұрын
I think the interesting part about Azula is she's a lot deeper than just a villain. There are a lot of layers to her. I think that's what makes her a great character in general. One of my all-time favorites!
@teamblack204
@teamblack204 5 күн бұрын
People saying that Ursa *loved both of her children* and didn't favor Zuko... Well, she indeed loved both her children, BUT she absolutely *favored Zuko.* Zuko took after his mother in the terms of personality: he was kind, loving and merciful like her, which obviously made it easier for Ursa to bond with Zuko. Azula, on the other hand, was pretty much like her father, personality-wise. Naturally, it was much harder for Ursa to reach out to Azula. In addition, Ursa said that she truly wished Zuko was Ikem's son (her childhood love and former fiance), not Ozai's. So with Zuko, Ursa could act like she actually had Ikem's child and pretend she's living her dream life. But with Azula, she couldn't do that. Azula was a constant reminder of her current life with Ozai. In conclusion, yes, Ursa did favor Zuko and that's okay. She was also a victim of abuse. And even though her treatment of Azula wasn't the best, it was far from being the worst. She still loved her children at the end.
@SharpAsRavenClaws
@SharpAsRavenClaws 2 ай бұрын
1:10 it’s interesting, Ursa is a name of a bear constellation, if you know how a mama bear is when her babies are threatened.
@keybladechosn1
@keybladechosn1 3 ай бұрын
Ursa is a Boy Mom. It's all about her son, and though they love their daughters, the heart is with their sons. She's just a Boy Mom.
@Orurandokun
@Orurandokun Жыл бұрын
8:28 is not a bad mother? She chose to forget about her children to live a happy life with a man. Don't come with a lame excuse that "it was because Ozai". Because she could have gone to the Earth Kingdom as a refugee. But she didn't.
@CinemaOverAnalyzed
@CinemaOverAnalyzed Жыл бұрын
I was more referring to her parenting style towards Azula during the "Zuko Alone flashbacks." It's up to you if you think she's a bad mother after that point.
@AndalusianPhilosopher
@AndalusianPhilosopher Жыл бұрын
The reason as to why Ursa chose this path is because she was going through a lot of pain and trauma I think. Also because she realized that it is unlikely she will ever see Zuko and Azula again, the only way is from the distance can she see her kids. It was a terrible situation in a family.
@eduardofarias6810
@eduardofarias6810 Жыл бұрын
@@AndalusianPhilosopher +/- In the comics, she admitted that she didn't love Zuko or Azula enough, making it clear that Kiyi and her husband are more important (she apologized to Zuko after recovering her memory). Zuko only forgave her because he's desperate for love, but anyone else probably wouldn't want to look at her face any longer. This decision by Ursa is understandable because of the trauma caused by Ozai, but in the same way, Zuko and Azula are not to blame for this, they did not ask to be born. Therefore, it is also understandable that they did not forgive her or did not want to live with her. Remember that she also sent a letter stating that Zuko was not Ozai's son (knowing that Ozai would read it and doing so only to anger him and that this would only bring more suffering to Zuko). The most pathetic thing about the comic is that Ursa never once asks about Zuko's scar.
@teamblack204
@teamblack204 5 күн бұрын
Ursa to Zuko: Never forget who you are Also Ursa: **Deliberately forgets her children's existence and her who she is just to bone her childhood crush**
@vetarlittorf1807
@vetarlittorf1807 Жыл бұрын
I don't think Azula was justified saying Ursa thought of her as a monster. In reality, Ursa thought of her as an ill-behaved twisted child that needed help. But the problem is that Azula is a sociopath and helping her would require her to be put in an institution, which Ozai would never approve of.
@CinemaOverAnalyzed
@CinemaOverAnalyzed Жыл бұрын
Azula does need help from a professional...honestly so does Zuko. Their childhood was terrible. Even Ursa has some PTSD from entering the palace after all those years. When it comes to Azula, she still needs love from both Zuko and Ursa to overcome her demons.
@vetarlittorf1807
@vetarlittorf1807 Жыл бұрын
@@CinemaOverAnalyzed I think Ursa genuinely loved Azula, who was in denial about it because she was split on her desire for love (triggered by Mai and Ty Lee's betrayal and Ozai's refusal to let her accompany him) and seeing love as a weakness. That split represents how she was influenced by both her parents. Unfortunately, Ozai was the stronger influence on her and he only nurtured her capabilities as a fierce warrior and an influential princess. But every parent has a favourite child whether or not they show favouritism, and Ursa favoured Zuko because he was the closest to her concept of a happy family.
@AndalusianPhilosopher
@AndalusianPhilosopher Жыл бұрын
@@vetarlittorf1807 true. Anyways I see hope for Azula. Her story is mostly unwritten. There is still 70 years worth of unanswered questions leading up to Korra. In Korra Azulas eventual fate is never adressed. She is never mentioned not even in flashbacks in LOK. In fact Zukos family is never fleshed out the way Kataras and Tophs families are.
@vetarlittorf1807
@vetarlittorf1807 Жыл бұрын
@@AndalusianPhilosopher It's not as fleshed out because the creators liked the idea of Zuko being the most successful parent.
@AndalusianPhilosopher
@AndalusianPhilosopher Жыл бұрын
@@vetarlittorf1807 still it would have been nice to know more. Even Korra and Izumi interacting. I mean Izumi shows up only in Season 4 very briefly. Also Izumi has a daughter, which we never seen. It would have great to see Fire Nation in Korra. See how Fire Nation changed. Also see how Zuko and his family changed.
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