Also pathetic language from you man. The attorneys and judge just did they’re job as they should, otherwise the case would be corrupt. The ones who filed the case are the ones who should be ashamed. Don’t blame the legal system.

@@srenhalsgaard1638calling someone out on language and messing up spelling in the process….

Dude is a self-appointed word policeman. The situation is absurd and he calls out Dan's WORDS?One of the men who was actually involved and Eric's friend. Maybe taking just a little too much moral ownership of your KZfaq heroes? 😂

@@srenhalsgaard1638 Does stupidity hurt? It should be painful. You'd be in agony.

To be fair, you and Eric should mention how much revenue you've made from your content regarding this poorly planned trip. No way I'm doing a rim-to-rim-to-rim without an insane amount of physical prep (6 months min). You were clearly not prepped for this jaunt. Nat parks have to try to manage millions of people every year. Millions! Everyone here should read Over the Edge: Death in Grand Canyon for a good dose of the reality Nat. parks has to deal with.

This is what they taught me in the academy too!! Letter of the law Vs Spirit of the law.

Retired LEO here and I 100% agree. With everything that is happening in the US right now I think we can all agree that government resources could be used in a more effective manner. Apparently common sense is no longer a requirement to become a law enforcement officer or officer of the court.

Please remember that as humans we have the right to roam on God's green earth for our own peace of mind and mental health That means private land as well As long as you are respectful of that property By simply by passing through There is so much in the United States that has so much beauty you have the right to see it

Current LEO here. This is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard of. Not only is there the spirit of the law and the letter of the law. But there is also officer discretion. This should have never even been brought to charges. You have to look at intent and the totality of the circumstances. Not just the letter of the law. Sorry this happened to you.

Did any of you ex and current Leo's ever learn about authoritarianism and the rise of fascism or their economic system??? I'm curious if you see the correlation and what you should do as cops??

Your a coward that never stands up that is why internal iniquitous corruption rises. You just as they have no excuse for your treason, I was just doing my job duhhhhh.

I am letting all my representatives know if the NPS has money to waste on this kind of needless enforcement and behavior then they clearly have too much money and can do with a budget cut.

​@@dewdudefact

Little funding is a joke!

Just go to a state park

He was WARNED to get back in bounds, and as a PROFESIONAL he should have taken the, "I'm going to MAKE SURE I get back within the boundaries of the law because I just got a second chance" attitude. Instead he took the SAME lackadaisical approach that got them in trouble in the first place and said, well this should be "close enough". That's complete contempt for the law. This is why every year more & more people are having to be recued when they go our of bounds & us innocent taxpayers have to foot the bill.

Typically you get a warning first, then a charge 😂

@@uuuultra He did.

It is quite clear that you are more concerned about judging than listening to the story. You are just as bent as the attorney. Ruling for the sake of ruling @@REB4444

@@REB4444that’s unreasonable to expect people to be precise to that point at night in a blizzard.

Very well stated!

sure sounds to me its getting close for an "upheaval" of decent magnitude. I had no idea the system has become so tyrannically predatory upon any hapless person who isnt "toting their line".

Yeah let’s give max punishment in a situation like this yet my niece’s killer walks free, never even got arrested when all evidence points to him.. and two people I know arrested for dark web child porn also never spent a day in jail and served minimum probation even though there was an abundance of evidence… our “justice” system is so f’d…

@@Gizziiusawe don't need to over-exaggerate this incident into some justification for "an "upheaval" of decent magnitude." This was a one off - and as stated in the video, it seems that it was because of some minor celebrity status, not just "any hapless person". I agree this result was wrong and idiotic - but to extend its impact to "an upheaval of decent magnitude" would be way way worse than this situation calls for.

take a good look around bud, we are practically 1/2 way there as it is domestically...unless something else big comes down the pike (as in WW3, which looks more and more possible with the new turn of events in gaza). good day.@@born2bwildne744

Welcome to America

Exactly! Look at how many people are in jail over pot!

They made an example of people breaking the law. I get that people like you are fine with crime, but not everyone is. There’s a reason why there’s dedicated camping areas. It’s hard on the ecology and the wildlife

Oh please...@@KB-ql8cx

but youtubers need to be treated with special kid-gloves. Not like they made a choice to camp in winter and then blamed the snow for their issues..... @@KB-ql8cx

Tell us the story, if you aren't too ashamed 😂

yeah, if only we all got to drive just 200 yards off the road. Things would be fine.

Yeah....those are exactly the same thing....great comparison.

😂

Remember when they saved their friend's life by camping in the wrong location? Yeah, me neither. @@toddkanhai3164

I agree! I'm reminded of a statement a judge told us jurors in a criminal trial, "There is no such thing as a court of justice - it is a court of law." Sad state of a court system.

Classic example of only believing one side of the story

Who do you think MAKE the rules? lol

Very disgusting.

​@Warrior_Resisting_Colonialism Don't forget it's the idiot order following loser that carries out the evil of tyrants, they won't be getting a free pass.

As a millionaire several times over I can tell you it all depends on who you support/vote for and what the prosecutor’s agenda is. I’ve been fighting a clerical error on my record in Fulton County Georgia for 5 years now with no end/resolution in sight.

@@contentofcharacter Excellent point. Thank you for making it.

He admitted guilt. Pretrial . There is no appeal in a plea bargain where he agreed to a fixed fine/ term. The sad part is that he may have had a winnable case but hiring a lawyer to win it would cost tens of thousands of dollars. Many lawyers are very lazy and do not work any harder than the absolute minimum to keep their license

@@beach4me2007 You're right about the lack of an appeal in this case. You're also right about the cost it would take to win the case. You are wrong that "many lawyers are very lazy and do not work any harder than the absolute minimum to keep their license." My experience over 40 years in the private practice of law is that while there are certainly "some lawyers" who are lazy or marginally competent, the advice given to Eric was the type of advice a lawyer would be remiss not giving. If he reasonably believed this would be the cheapest way out of the case while preserving what was most important to his client, as this appeared to be, then the choice was the client's and Eric needed to be advised of the lawyer's professional opinion. All good attorneys would have explained this option. Many clients who want to move on would take the advice. But it was Eric's choice and a reasonable one to make. The bad guys in this story were the bureaucrats at the NPS who decided that they needed to "make an example" of Eric and the lawyer who didn't push back hard enough with his client. Hard to say, from the little said about the judge's role, whether the judge was acting improperly or not.

Lawyers do work hard...for clients who can afford the fees. People who can't get short shifted. @@sdhlaw1

How will this effect the ability to travel still ?

Just go to state parks

And they have an unlimited budget to destroy you.

Maybe we need to defund the national park rangers?

20 years ago, you refused to pay the what, $10, for a campsite? And you're holding a grudge because they wouldn't let you camp in a parking lot. Hell, if you don't want to pay, drive out of the park and park in the national forest and it's free. I've had plenty of rangers help me find free campsites outside a park. There are plenty of places to camp for free and 20 years ago it was even easier. You arrived late. That's on you, not them. It's not unreasonable to charge a few bucks for the campground.

​@@wj7867I did go to a campground but you totally miss the point. First I don't hold a grudge about it. Very simply had the ranger told me you'll get a ticket that's one thing. But being told I would be arrested that's just seems to be going over the top. There has to be reasonable response to different situations.

​​@@drdr76it seems you have such a narrow view of comments that I made. I'm not talking against law enforcement, but that's where you have to turn this conversation to. For the past 12 years I have worked with a small private security group in parts of Detroit where you probably wouldn't even go, alongside Detroit police who are some of the best in the country. And if one of the cops there was being stupid, I would have said the same thing. But because I mentioned one law enforcement officer who was rather insensitive by laying a ticket on someone, or a park ranger who tells me I'll be arrested for parking in a parking lot you think I'm anti-law enforcement? Wow I'm glad that you have such a clear view of the world.

27 years ago I was caught sleeping in my car at Yellowstone. I was going to get a ticket, but showed the ranger that the AAA travel guide posted that the nearby campground was still open, when it was closed for the season. I arrived at the park at 2 am and would have fallen asleep at the wheel if I drove further. He decided to make an exception.

I learned never to trust the government. We are now the enemy.

That's so true sledge. Thanks for making a great point!

As someone who has been a victim of violent and sexual crime that was never prosecuted… yes our government has WAY better things to do.

Well they has to show that you cannot do crimes for free if others are doing crimes too. This does not look like a right way of doing it but come on, it is not like "Real criminals are doing real crimes like murders, I'm just braking windows, do your job and cach the murderers and stop bothering me and my hobby" We must be carefull with this type of thinking. I'm not saying that all what has happened is right, but argument that there are bigger crimes happening is dangerous one. Don't knowingly camp uot of bounds if you are not ready to pay your dues, actually preferably even if you are.

They don’t

The government have nothing higher on their list than restricting your movement and basic freedoms. Your government is ALWAYS your greatest enemy.

Yeah, like maybe going into Chicago and stopping the gang members from massacring each other.. when people rob stores they get released with a slap on their wrist. The Democrats are disgrace.

Agreed that $1,000 fine probably cost him another $10-20k on lawyer/court fees

Our legal system is broken. I sat on jury for a man that car jacked a driver by gun point and was facing 5 years in prison after we convicted him. This man camped outside an invisible line and was facing the same imprisonment. A successful KZfaqr can make a modest living. No need to make an “example” out of you. At worst a simple fine would have been warranted. Maybe $500 max. Should have been 0.00… There was no ill intent, circumstances at there worst, and you slept on the ground in a national park we pay taxes for!!!!! For 1 night!

Many , many folks ought seek FOIA request of the hearing transcripts when the discussion of heavy penalty & "Making an example" of Eric was done, Then expose that to the masses to show the utter disregard of fair jurisprudence.

Sounds like something a criminal would say

​@@uuuultraYou sound like something a boot licker would say.

Plenty of shame to go around in this "out of control" Public agency.

It depends who is doing the litterimg..........

Yeah the mug shot would be great but they’d probably get him for that too, using federal property to make a profit or something stupid…

I would buy it all Hat Sun hat Hoody Shirt Long sleeve shirt

I’m writing this from the U.K. and this whole saga and eventual outcome for Eric feels both scary and slightly unimaginable. Don’t get me wrong I expect there are many people in the U.K. who have been prosecuted for wild camping, but I expect they will have been serial offenders and probably shown zero respect for the environment. It seems to me that Eric is an ambassador for good and this particular conviction feels really trivial and vindictive. Having a criminal record can preclude you from many different employments in the U.K. so although the actual punishment wasn’t so severe, it’s the record that is by far the worst element. I wish you both well and hope others don’t have to face the same experience as Eric.

Memorable Hike that

Read between the lines, this has nothing to do with camping out of bounds. It's clearly a roundabout way of punishing you guys for monetizing the events on KZfaq. They want to inspire your followers to think carefully before pushing their limits in the Canyon, and demonstrate that the NPS enforces consequences. It's not that far-fetched to imagine that other KZfaqrs might see a "formula" in backpacking the Canyon, getting into trouble that requires rescue, and filming it for views. I think it's obvious that the charges never would have been filed if you'd kept the incident private.

@@jonm4989 In Scotland it is totally unimaginable and almost impossible. The Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003 made it so we are allowed to do small group "light" camping on most unenclosed land for 2 or 3 nights in one place. The main exception being some lochside parts (4% of it's total area) of Loch Lomond & The Trossachs National Park right next to Glasgow, due to over use by people who don't follow responsible camping practices. That area requires a permit and has designated camping sites... but even that is only between March and September.

@@nexviper good point and such a bonus for those living in Scotland

Park Rangers regularly reassign to other parks. To be safe, I suggest you stay away from all National Parks forever, and vacation instead in Palm Beach. Makes for fewer crowds in the National Parks, too.

Facts

The real misfortune here is anyone believing that only 1% of law enforcement is tyrannical.

Parks Canada would do exactly the same. Rangers are like the military. Severe.

​@@woodchip2782 Not at all l checked and in Canada it's not criminal,you could risk éviction from the park worse case scénario you would get finned

Such a great point

Thanks,@@christianmartel5247I didn't think that Parks Canada's Warden Service would be so harsh. My experience with them has always been a 'teaching' encounter, rather than them having a punitive mandate. Different if you're poaching though. That's when the Warden Service can get rough.

@@filmic1 as well they should if that is the case.

That pretty much all government does

I'm sure the Ranger was the primary cog in this wheel......

@@doggonenomads100%. He was annoyed that they left their tents and took it as an insult when they seemingly didn’t listen again.

Especially after snowshoeing 3 miles to remind them again. How many warnings should an idiot get?@@chadwells7562

What does the admin have to be embarrassed about? I think they were frustrated with the trip itself. I'm not defending why they did it, but I think that had something to do with it, and I'd be shocked if it didn't come up in all of these discussions between counsel and the court appearances.

Like you say what the rich do, if you aren't rich you get trampled on.

Yes and amen, however I never camp in National Parks anymorre. If you see this reply look up to the post I made about Yosemite.

Returning not retired!

Yep, i know people who have committed much more serious crimes who either got off Scott free or with minimal probation and no jail time when really it should be prison time.. yet let’s go after the hikers who had a legitimate emergency. Our “justice” system is so f’d its disgusting!

They’re rightfully pissed about all the social media, TV, etc. morons that come and trash the place, and decided to take the opportunity to set an example. I understand the reasoning, but this guy was the wrong target. Plenty of genuinely malicious personalities they can target.