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USA vs. UK: THE CUBAN BUS CRISIS OF 1964! [History of Buses]

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Jeffrey Ornstein

Jeffrey Ornstein

Күн бұрын

In 1964, British Leyland, with the support of the British government, made a deal with Cuba to sell them 400 Leyland Olympic buses. This brought a sharp rebuke from Washington, and caused a rift between the two allies.
Britain decided to go ahead with the sale. It couldn't find a western ship to transport the buses due to the embargo, and then turned to an East German shipping company for a vessel.
What happened next is an incident that some say is an act of sabotage.
The ship carrying the bus, the MV Magdeburg, collided with the Yamashiro Maru, a Japanese ship that was entering the waters of the Thames.
The MV Magdeburg never made it out of London, and many of the 42 buses were lost or damaged. There are accusations that the collision was an act of sabotage by the CIA.
00:00 Introduction
02:33 Part I Row with USA over Bus Deal
06:28 Part II The sinking of the MV Magdeburg and the CIA consipracy
08:03 Images of the shipping accident in October, 1964
10:41 Roster 42 of Buses on the Magdeburg - what happened to the vehicles
10:58 Conclusion
Hear the full story. You decide.
This is the Cuban Bus Crisis of 1964!
#buses #leylandbus #transport #documentary #cuba #britishhistory #usuk

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@timbounds7190
@timbounds7190 3 ай бұрын
Pedantic Point - British Leyland hadn't been formed at that time - the buses were made by Leyland Motors.
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching and for the clarification!
@leylandlynxvlog
@leylandlynxvlog 3 ай бұрын
Imagine we're told bullying is wrong but if you are acting as a country....thanks for this interesting story
@TheAllMightyGodofCod
@TheAllMightyGodofCod 3 ай бұрын
A bully oppressed someone. Real people. The people of Cuba are being oppressed. The bully is the communist regime.
@user-ld6ed7mp9r
@user-ld6ed7mp9r 3 ай бұрын
I'm surprised the USA's retaliation for British bus exports was way worse than Argentina's export of brand new locally-made American cars in 1974 to Cuba (including the current Nova and F600 trucks at the time, made under license there), ignoring the sanctions Argentina had previously agreed to
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and for your comment - interesting info about Argentina!
@user-ld6ed7mp9r
@user-ld6ed7mp9r 3 ай бұрын
@@JeffreyOrnstein forgot to tell the most important detail - all the cars went to Cuba!
@martindonato5727
@martindonato5727 3 ай бұрын
And never paid for them....
@dieseldragon6756
@dieseldragon6756 2 ай бұрын
Unexpected ending: The US agrees to sell Cuba the British-built BRE-Leyland RailBus that's been inexplicably sat rusting away in New England for the past 37 years... 🚌🚆😉
@GlennBrown-il3fx
@GlennBrown-il3fx 3 ай бұрын
Canada, which has diplomatic relations with Cuba, exports many used Canadian buses to Cuba.
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
Thank you, Glenn, for watching and for your comment!
@detroitdieselseries5071
@detroitdieselseries5071 3 ай бұрын
Sadly in the 2000s and 2010s TTC never sent their GM New Look buses to Cuba. They have a scrap metal mafia instead
@BobAbc0815
@BobAbc0815 3 ай бұрын
The American Aversion towards Public Transport got a bit out of Hand😂
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
LOL, thanks for watching and for your comment!
@dieseldragon6756
@dieseldragon6756 2 ай бұрын
I think part of the problem might've been the way British buses were built at the time. The US _really_ didn't like the idea of Cuba having vehicles that could reliably give 50+ years of intensive service with nothing more than an occasional tyre change, when their commercial partners in the automotive industry wanted everybody buying a new car every five years... 🚗⏳😉
@leonb2637
@leonb2637 3 ай бұрын
Sadly to this day, the USA treats Cuba with extensive trade and diplomatic sanctions. Sadly it is in part to pander to a small group of Cuban expats and descendants in Florida for enough votes there. Pres. Obama took actions to back off those sanctions but as soon as Trump took office, they were reversed. We took Cuba after the Spanish-American War of 1899, (along with Puerto Rico, the Philippines) from Spain. In 1926, we gave up our hold, allowing for political independence but keeping a lot of economic and political control, supporting corrupt leaders who did horrible acts to keep control and continued American's exploitation. That abuse led to the uprising led by Fidel Castro, seizing the government and putting in a Communist style one, something that was terrifying to Americas in the dark heart of the 'Cold War', the seizing of American personal and corporate properties. Cuba turned for support from the then USSR, who wanted a big foothold in the Americas, especially one so close, as little as 90 miles (150 Kms) from the USA. We wanted to starve Cuba of any support that could be seen as supporting the 'commies' and USSR and against capitalism. Attempts were done by the USA to destroy Cuba, Fidel Castro, we reacted to the USSR placing missiles in Cuba including destroying the buses.
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and for your detailed comment!
@maestromanification
@maestromanification 3 ай бұрын
In 66 Britain supplied Cuba with 20 locomotives based on the brush type 4. As brush was a subsidiary of hawker sidley the locos were constructed by clayton equipment and had their makers plates but were pure brush At the time hawker sidley were trying to sell the harrier to the USAF
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and for your comment about Hawker!
@jonathanj8303
@jonathanj8303 3 ай бұрын
Allegedly the locomotive deal was the result of someone senior in UK government personally promising supply, having shown the a Cuban diplomat/delegation the Brush type 4. The clayton works plates were the resulting desperate work around - and the "Cuban 47s" did actually get there, though how satisfactory they really were is another question.
@JSmith19858
@JSmith19858 3 ай бұрын
@@jonathanj8303 considering that the Class 47 is still in service, they were likely fine. Unless you're one of those everything British is shit idiots
@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis
@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis 3 ай бұрын
@@jonathanj8303it was rather surreal how those units looked, being a British design adapted to AAR standards as Cuba had retained from before the Revolution.
@user-zr2zp7ek4p
@user-zr2zp7ek4p Ай бұрын
The loco's mentioned above that were built by Brush were designated T975 by Cuban railways and they were the same as the BR class 48 which had a V12 engine, as opposed to the the 12 cyl twin bank 6 in the BR class 47s. The body shells were constructed at brush, the loco's were assembled by Clayton in Derby, and carried Clayton builders plates, with no Brush builders plates on them.
@centredoorplugsthornton4112
@centredoorplugsthornton4112 3 ай бұрын
In 1975 Montreal Locomotive Works built 50 locomotives for Cuba's railroad system over much criticism from the US. Note in the UK they drive on the left but Leyland built these buses for right hand traffic in Cuba.
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and for your comment! Interesting info about the Canadian Diesels!
@detroitdieselseries5071
@detroitdieselseries5071 3 ай бұрын
Iran in the 1980s got EMD GT26CW-2s built in the GMD London plant. Perfect way to get around sanctions
@centredoorplugsthornton4112
@centredoorplugsthornton4112 3 ай бұрын
@@detroitdieselseries5071 according to Jane's World Railways, they were built under license by Hyundai of South Korea.
@t.b.g.504
@t.b.g.504 3 ай бұрын
British automakers produce LHD vehicles as well. Toronto's TTC had a small number of these Leyland buses in their fleet around this time.
@eduardosantabaya5348
@eduardosantabaya5348 3 ай бұрын
@@t.b.g.504 Uruguay and Argentina bought LHD Leyland Olympics in 1962. In Argentina they were withdraw in 1978, in Uruguay they had a very long career, the last being retired in 2002.
@markc3666
@markc3666 3 ай бұрын
Jamaica's Omnibus Service (J.O.S) also imported large quantities of the Leyland Olympics from the U.K.
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and for your comment about the Jamaican Olympics!
@robertcamble3543
@robertcamble3543 3 ай бұрын
​@@JeffreyOrnsteinThese buses were very good vehicles & can still be found using as houses j.o.s got a total of 496 units .
@grumpymunchkin2959
@grumpymunchkin2959 3 ай бұрын
2002 I’m vacationing in Varadero Cuba at a resort. Walk out front to take a bus and do some site seeing. To my amazement the bus pulls up ands it’s an old bus from my hometown of Orillia Ontario Canada. Small world sometimes
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
LOL, what a coincidence! Thank you for watching and for your comment!
@mikepowell2776
@mikepowell2776 3 ай бұрын
I’m pretty sure that there would have been an official enquiry even if its report wasn’t made public. 35 years after this event the Spanish city of Malaga sent many of its old buses to Cuba. I remember seeing them lined up in the dock compound with labels in the windscreens showing ‘Cuba’ as their destination - an extreme extension of linea 10 which their headcodes were showing.
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and for your comment about Malaga's buses!
@jasonguzman564
@jasonguzman564 3 ай бұрын
All over a bus
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@robertcamble3543
@robertcamble3543 3 ай бұрын
​@@JeffreyOrnsteinThese buses are among the most durable buses ever built . My father used to drive them for J.O.S in Jamaica .
@darylcheshire1618
@darylcheshire1618 3 ай бұрын
I loled at the suggestion that an aircraft carrier be used to carry buses. It would be harder to intercept though.
@diegoflores9237
@diegoflores9237 3 ай бұрын
Shows the USA doesn't have allies, it has subordinates. Remember this when the US talks about "allies" with regards to Ukraine, Middle East, China etc etc. The UK, France etc are dictated to by the US on policy regarding Ukraine.
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and for your comment!
@mistero4
@mistero4 3 ай бұрын
Another twist? Some of the chassis and a fully built up bus ended up in Australia having full service lives.
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and for your comment! Yes! And I made note of that in the list of vehicles salvaged towards the end of the video, where some were sent to Austrailia - wow!
@jamesfrench7299
@jamesfrench7299 3 ай бұрын
@@JeffreyOrnstein Westbus was a large private bus service operator in western Sydney with several depots. . They even set up a UK operation for a time. Never knew about this, so they aquired buses as a result of the U.S Cuba tensions. Incredible!
@NickRatnieks
@NickRatnieks 29 күн бұрын
Funnily enough, the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was just a few months earlier- must just be a coincidence. I imagine that Donald Stokes regretted allowing himself to be persuaded to merge Leyland Motors with what had become British Motor Holdings to form British Leyland. This marriage was the handiwork of Tony Benn who also got Rolls-Royce into trouble with the jet engine deal with Lockheed. Anyway, Leyland Motors was a successful organisation while BMH- usually know by its pre-Jaguar addition as BMC was a disaster waiting to happen- and it did.
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 28 күн бұрын
Thanks for the additional info!! Thank you for watching and for your comment!
@ericcoffedgp40
@ericcoffedgp40 3 ай бұрын
Fantastic installment! This would make a really interesting movie for sure!
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and for your comment - I'm really glad you liked it!
@ericcoffedgp40
@ericcoffedgp40 3 ай бұрын
@JeffreyOrnstein You're very welcome Jeffrey, keep up the great work sir! 👍
@cruzcontrol1504
@cruzcontrol1504 3 ай бұрын
A thrill a minute !!!
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching! Glad you liked it!
@jamesfrench7299
@jamesfrench7299 3 ай бұрын
I'm gobsmacked. What a waste of these reputedly excellent machines. The U.S pushing their weight around surprise surprise. I know what I suspect based on what I gathered here.
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
LOL, thank you for watching and for your comment!
@towgod7985
@towgod7985 3 ай бұрын
I have never heard of this before, and can see both sides of the issue. I really enjoy driving "my" MC-12, but all that over a BUS!
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and for your comment!
@JTA1961
@JTA1961 3 ай бұрын
This was good...I subscribed...surprised Castro didn't raise "cain" about it
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and for your comment!
@cipdamboianu5139
@cipdamboianu5139 3 ай бұрын
Fun fact, those Leyland busses went to Israel. And they had no AC, and then Israel sold them to Bucharest, Romania, right after diplomatic relationships were established.
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
Interesting! Thank you for watching and for your comment!
@Derek-bg2fr
@Derek-bg2fr 3 ай бұрын
It's crazy that not only was the US embroiled in a transit situation with Cuba, it was also in a political situation with Cuba, because Russia (Then the Soviet Union) had placed missiles there, and Cuba refused to take them. This probably made tensions worse, but I do not know that for sure.
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and for your comment!!
@dieseldragon6756
@dieseldragon6756 2 ай бұрын
If my personal experience of public transportation in/around and under the influence of the United States is anything to go on, the national administration there has a *very clear* prejudice against all forms of transportation that don't involve (mostly) single-person metal boxes or whacking great hairdriers strapped underneath wings. 🚘✈🤔 In all likelihood this wasn't an action against _Cuba_ specifically...Simply an action against the use of well constructed, sturdy and reliable vehicles in an environment which believes that ownership of a car and ongoing „tax“ payments to petrochemical companies should *not* be a requirement for people to get to work! 🚌💨😉
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 2 ай бұрын
Maybe you're right! Thank you for watching and for your comment!
@richiehoyt8487
@richiehoyt8487 3 ай бұрын
"International incident involving political intrigue and skullduggery; conspiracy loons posit that Central Intelligence Agency 'Had nothing to do with it...' "
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
LOL, thank you for watching and for your comment!
@stanleybest8833
@stanleybest8833 3 ай бұрын
What ever happened to Gillig Phantom/Christina busses?
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and for your comment! I don't know what happened to those buses.
@BritishRail60062
@BritishRail60062 3 ай бұрын
I don't get it, all over a bus. Interesting article and knowledge. Anyway, the buses can always be replaced and no one was killed so I don't care about the buses really.
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and for your comment!!
@jamesfrench7299
@jamesfrench7299 3 ай бұрын
Not when you grew up catching Leyland buses like me and loved them.
@BritishRail60062
@BritishRail60062 3 ай бұрын
​@@jamesfrench7299 I like Leyland buses as well and grew up with them. But the US is not a country to be messed with 😊. Especially when the UK is supposed to be it's ally.
@jamesfrench7299
@jamesfrench7299 3 ай бұрын
@@BritishRail60062 If the U.S wants to stop it's businesses from selling to their enemy that's one thing, but not to tell another country to do the same with theirs. They are the ones messing with other countries affairs. Britain should have sank some GM products.
@BritishRail60062
@BritishRail60062 3 ай бұрын
@@jamesfrench7299 I fail to see any logic in doing this because for one reason. The USA is a formidable force to reckon with just like Russia and China are and they could easily crush the UK like a bug if they wanted to. Why would anyone be stupid enough to provoke a war over a few lousy buses that are replaceable is beyond me and I am being honest. If anything, it was an East German ship that was sunk and not a UK ship, so the matter back then was between the US and the former GDR at the time. No different than FedEx losing an Amazon package really. I am sure the cargo was insured anyway.
@wallycox4579
@wallycox4579 3 ай бұрын
I'm calling BS on this. Its a fun tale, but to arrange a collision between two ships, with pilots, in the Thames, a lot of things (that can't be prearranged) have to line up.
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
LOL, you may be right! Thanks for watching and for your comment!
@martindonato5727
@martindonato5727 3 ай бұрын
I think those buses ended up at the bottom of the sea, Cuba also does not usually pay for what it buys.
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
Probably! Thank you for watching and for your comment!
@johnmontgomery9149
@johnmontgomery9149 3 ай бұрын
As per usual the yanks taking the huff.
@JeffreyOrnstein
@JeffreyOrnstein 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and for your comment!
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