Your Above Average Band Trash - Oh, me for sure. During this quarantine, this a positive thing.

I hope they have it in June 2021

i’m actually in 2021

2021 😳

I heard one of the judges say on Alicia Sacramone fx the step out of bounds Is a "silly mistake " .... now Simone Biles do it 2 times per floor routine.... my my how have the tables have turned 😮

But that is with anything though. Even with work and studying. At a certain point more time doesn't equal better performance. It is right around that 3 to 4 hours mark. If you spend 8 hours studying, I can guarantee you didn't absorb 8 hours worth of information.

Marta did not like them. She did not let Bieger compete on both bars and beam at the 2005 worlds as she should have, instead putting Sacramone on all 3 of vault, floor, and beam, despite bombing beam at all the events that year. Mattie often called her out publicly so she hated her.

I think Jana got gypped time after time... Marta supposedly "HATES falls & LOVES consistency" & also really DOESNT like to take "specialists" on teams unless they're out of this world amazing- like McKayla M. on Vault in London- but shes supposed to prefer gymnasts who are more "all arounders" who potentially could be called on to perform on almost ANY apparatus & hit their routines time after time... JANA HAS EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE QUALITIES!!! She's not a huge stand out on any 1 apparatus, but, she's rock solid on EVERY ONE- she hits almost every time, she's so steady- she's a definite all around gymnast & she does generally score pretty well even if she doesn't do the absolute the HARDEST stuff- she still DOES do harder stuff than some of the other girls Marta likes more... You could have depended on Jana to put up a solid, high score that would have helped the team in Beijing on any event! I think she's definitely missing a bit of the "artistry & dance elements," & she doesn't have the lean, super straight, clean lines or build like a Nastia... But neither did Rebecca Bross & Marta was a pretty big fan of HER. I can't help but wonder if maybe her mom- might have rubbed some of the "powers the be" & big names in the sport the wrong way- what with her not being from the United States, a lot of times Europeans and Americans just express themselves VERY differently according to their cultural norms& it can rub people the wrong way. But, she's coached by her mom, and I think she got screwed out of so many team opportunities and bigger scores & along with that, missed out on a lot of top 3 finishes she deserved but maybe came in 4th or 5th by less than .3 or so. I can't understand what more Marta or anyone could have ASKED from Jana!! Which is what makes me think maybe it was something else that was the reason behind her getting screwed over so often. And if that IS the case- that's really a crappy thing to do- especially for "grown adults" to take out their own personal grudges with a PARENT on their kid! Poor Jana, 😭 she was amazing & rarely got rewarded for it or ever got the chance to show what she could do on the world stage...

Yeah that’s not right you work hard you diserve to perform someone should not have that power to take someone’s dream away

They did Jana so dirty. Just like chellsie, Jana was able to hit all her routines and vault was probably the only thing she could have upgraded but that shouldn't have been enough for them to not treat her fairly. They DEFINITELY played favorites and while nastia is one of my all time favorite gymnasts, But her score being higher than it was on day 1 when she had all those mistakes on her dismount and late pirouettes was unexpected honestly. Her routine is no doubt difficult and one of the hardest even now but I feel like the judges were a bit biased.

Yeah they really screwed Bieger. She should have left USA gymnastics and gone to the German team (since they offered) where she would've been appreciated.

+Sarah McClure I feel like team USA will always need a leader like Chellsie, she was fantastic. If Ali Raisman makes it for 2016, (which I highly suspect) she'll fit that role.

+Sarah McClure I like Chelsea too. This year, if Aly or Gabby make the team I could see either one of them taking the leadership role.

+Nate B She did and during the quals in Rio you could tell that even though Simone is technically the captain, Aly was still leading the team.

Nope, Aly is the captain, not Simone

@@almajurisic16 Simone was never the Captain of the Rio team. It was Aly. Simone was always the best gymnast and she always won. But she was never the Captain or leader of the team. That was Amy's role the whole time.

Jay Petrova the code favored the uneven bars by giving the E E and E D more connection value the the other codes 👌

I agree

totally agree. a bit over the top and even Tim and Elfie called it out. not useful in getting ready for Olympics, unfortunately.

Could you imagine them here in 2019 with the current scoring system? The judges are absolutely brutal now even though the actual execution continues to slowly improve.

Agree

If she made life living hell then why did Shawn, Aly, and Simone all say that Martha was extremely kind?

She and her monster husband should be in prison.

@@nathan10120 It’s called B.S.

Agreed. The Karolye’s were given way too much power in the world of gymnastics. Their only concerns were gold medals.

Ikr

You only find errors on dismount other are perfect

ncik delta nope, her full pirouettes were more over than her 1.5. Those needed deductions

I think her having arguably the most difficult bar routine in the world, and definitely in the USA, made the judges less inclined to bitch about the super little things. They took off for the dismount obviously, but at the time that was by far the most difficult bar routine in the world and it deserved to score like it.

Yeah... watching in 2020 and I am dumbfounded. She missed quite a few handstands on those turns. *Edit* missed as in not perfectly over the bar. She didn't blow them. Just should have had some deductions.

I know! Going back and watching old meets and now knowing what was going on , is crazy!

Well he’s spending 63 years in prison so ya

Me too. At least he’s never getting out. Nassar is not getting paroled.

In all honesty, Alicia's Rudi is still probably the best it's ever been done. McKayla was also obviously an amazing and legendary vaulter, but I just loved watching Sacramones power and attitude in the arena.

@@myerklamb8529 Ya I agree Alica was most more powerful than Myckalaya. Alicia's rudi is as as good as it gets

Shawn is amazing but I dont think she's a Biles opponent. Maybe tho

Shawn has actually talked about this and she said that Chow wanted her extremely focused and therefore, in her own focused bubble, so that’s why she was sitting by herself.

@@roanjorna4698 I think she could could have been! Simone has her beat in floor and vault but shawn definitely had more difficulty in her beam routine. As far bars, I would say they might be neck and neck since it's an event their both weak on but still have enough difficulty to possibly medal and they're consistent on it

@@roanjorna4698on beam Shawn had what Simple has only rarely shown- CONSISTENCY.

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Mine too; such a fireball!!

+Katie Doyle I totally felt like they shunned her! Nastia was my favorite back then, but I just watched night one and night two and I sort of felt like she was a big part of that! Poor Shawn, they couldn't pick on a sweeter girl, either.

They were probably jealous

Jealousy is a green eyed monster. It also could be Shawn just isolating herself for focusings sake. Hopefully they were nice to her once they all went back to the ranch at the end of the day :(

+seb1999 I think that too 😳😳😳😳😳😳

+Katie Doyle I felt bad for her too.

So sad it's postponed an entire year because of coronavirus 😭

But Shawn scored even higher in the olympics than she did here on beam and floor.

Not rly… nastia scored 16.9 at the Olympics don’t be dramatic

Maybe you should have been a judge since you know soooo much

Sorry, but you are just wrong lol. The entire quads scoring was inflated, because it was the first quad that did difficulty plus execution added together. The new scoring had a lot of issues, and really only levelled out in 2009.

@@josephqualtier961 Yeah bc she did better at the Olympics. She had a HUGE step on the dismount here. Back then in the code it was 0.3 (now it's 0.5).. you're telling me there was only 0.1 to take off from the entire routine? Get real.

The way the judge clapped for her too lol

😂😂

Steve Young actually they had to change her music and basically swap it because they did not w at it to be copy righted but Shawn doid not have enough time to make a completely new routine so she stuck with here own stuff

Yes she did i know I couldn’t believe it either 😂😂

At the end when she, Alicia, touched the bars and the way a judge clapped for her 😂😂 I love her sass in the arena too. I'm not talking about the bars there though, I know why they do that lol. I was referring to the day before when she was talking about her .3 deduction on floor and rolled her eyes lol. Totally relatable lol

Ade O. Shawn started training it in 2007

Ade O. She was actually even ready to compete it in 2007... i believe she first began training it in the gym in 2006, first started competing it in 2008

Ade O. Now it's 5.8

The revisionist history is strong with this one.

They do, but skills come and go depending on the code of points. A lot of unique skills while amazing to look at just aren't worth it because of their lower value.

Not in 2008 she wasn’t, unfortunately. By that time many other athletes had surpassed her in difficulty and execution (the deductions WERE there), and she really had lost a place with the team given how strong others had gotten. She was definitely on the other hand treated wrongly by the Karolys. Sad to say, she’d have been better off joining the German team- that would have at least gotten her to the Olympics- but definitely not a medal contender.

She won the all around that day fair and square. She was the best in the world that day and it mattered.

@@beambreakerI disagree STRONGLY lmao. You’re going to say her bar score and floor score was fair? Shawn should have won.

I am!!😍🙋🏾‍♂️

God Chelsea's was good too. How is this the team that didn't do well on beam at worlds?

+beautybyelle Shawn fell, and Nastia only did a back tuck dismount

@@trapezemiley the two of them are criminally underrated

I’m so angry she wasn’t on that 2008 team. I would have taken her over Bridget or Sam

I also wish she would have competed for Germany, she would have had more opportunities

Her performance as time went on did not match those who made the team, that’s the reality. By 2008 you had to have upgraded your difficulty quite a bit- and she unfortunately didn’t. Germany would definitely have been a better choice, but if she’d gone she’d never have medaled.

The Crafty Artist if you watch the routines side by side on the day of the Olympic AA competition, it’s clear that Nastia deserved the win. I’d love to debate this tho!

I do prefer Shawn’s gymnastics, but Nastia had the best day at the AA Olympic Final. Timing counts.

Nastia won by six tenths and was pretty much perfect that day. She absolutely deserved it.

Different quad! the rules of scoring were changed in 2006, and they were still trying to balance the code here!

@@411MooCow It's also a domestic meet, even to this day you generally see higher scores at domestic meets.

Lauren Raubaugh Agree. Agree. Agree. They talk and talk and talk. It's impossible to remember everyone's history. So, you would think that they would have a cheat sheet with some accurate numbers they could use. Goes to show they don't have to worry about their jobs much so don't put in extra effort..

Lex B I think there used to be such thing as a domestic stick bonus? Like, one of Simone’s Amanars (2015 nationals, I think) received a 0.1 stick bonus.

It was the most difficult bar routine in the world, and she made it look damn good. Her score should reflect that.

Same. Women can be incredibly cruel....teenage girls infinitely more cruel. I cannot even imagine at this elite level of competition how much worse it is. Just awful.

Watch her channel she says that was her and chows strategy to stay in right head space!

@@Star-ft2gd oh wow really so she wanted to sit alone? It made me sad... I thought, "lonely at the top".

She said she was instructed to do so 🤦‍♀️

My very favorite!

99miyah great music scene!

​@@gifthorse9779 lol, totally. I say that as a graduate of a conservatory there haha :)

You can feel how you want about Nastia as a person, but she had the meet of her life at the Olympics. She was better on the day it counted. Also Shawn isn't that relatable. Unless it's common to use your child to make money.

Valeri had a successful gym when Nastia was still just a young girl. He didn't need Nastia to make money. You sound psychotic.

Nastia won by six tenths in Beijing and was pretty much perfect on every event. Even if you say that bars specialists were favored in that quad, Nastia still deserved it. Her routine was so much longer and more exhausting than Shawn's, that's why her dismounts mostly looked bad. Nastia stuck her landings and had great form, no wobbles on beam and great landings on floor as well. She totally deserved it.

9.150 as on that beam execution like what? is this college gymnastics or something like that???

While I agree the US has had 2 strong all-around era in the past, the fact is there were too many other threats (Szabo, Gutsu, Bogi, Milo, Khorkina, Zhang, etc etc) who factored in tremendously. Johnson/Liukin really were the top 2 options in Beijing

kras118 yeah it was the first time the U.S had the 2 clear favorites. However there were other times they had 2 possible gold contenders in the AA. Miller and Zmeskal in 92, Dawes and Miller and Moceanu in 96, Patterson and Kupets in 04.

Mocenau peaked WAY before the Olympics and messed up constantly the year leading up to them. As long as I remember Dawes was never even mentioned in the AA contention.

ajlove2013 whether or not Dawes was supposed to contend in the AA she LED the AA halfway through so she obviously was a gold contender. I know full well none of Miller, Dawes, or Moceanu were favored to win the AA or even maybe medal, but each were among those who could win the AA if lilia and Mo Huilan made mistakes.

...Louisa Emma...i felt the same...

Ok, but come on she started at Chow's as soon as it opened and she was only 6! That's pretty much from front rolls to Olympian!

Maybe he worked at that other gym?

I believe after her injury she a) couldn't land a double front on her bad ankle (see the 2007 Visas for her dramatic fall) and b) had grown a few inches to the point that she couldn't do the double layout anymore. I agree with you that the front + half was so often messy, but I don't know what other options her body gave her.

Her form on that dismount was so sloppy.

...and i never seen anyone float across the beam with a mix of elegance, power, and precision...something Nastia lacks...Shawn definitely got robbed of the All-Around at the Olympics...idk why...possibly Nastia father's name, politics or both...Nonetheless...Shawn will forever be the 2008 Olympic GOAT...!

They were all overscored. Nastia's dismount on bars is very deductable and she didn't hit every handstand. Shawn however had several leg separations on beam, had a low chest on her skills and on her landing, her splits aren't on point and her dance elements on floor are really questionable which weren't all credited in Beijing.

I think you're taking this out of context. Valeri said it *about* Nastia, not to her, and he said it as someone who knew his daughter.

It's because her birth name is Anastasia

Nahstia Leeukin

It was the most difficult bar routine in the world at the time. She made it look good too. Her score deserved to reflect that.

I know she always is sitting by herself and never really talks to anyone

Well she does that to herself... Maybe she needs to mentally prepare. I do that too

+YoMeMyselfAndI I feel bad for her too. I think she just needed that time to refocus and reenergize.

It was her and chows strategy to keep her in the right headspace