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Use a Japanese hand saw to make a stopped groove without a router plane!

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Tenons & Tenors

Tenons & Tenors

4 жыл бұрын

Hello! In this video I show you how I make stopped grooves with a Japanese aze-biki nokogiri. If you work only with hand tools or don't have access to a plunge router, making a stopped dado can be challenging. The conventional method is to use a combination of a bit and brace, dado plane, chisel and router plane. I show an alternative method that utilizes a very special Japanese saw. Thanks for watching!

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@uriel-heavensguardian8949
@uriel-heavensguardian8949 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been looking at these for years. Time to get one. Thanks for sharing.
@TenonsTenors
@TenonsTenors Жыл бұрын
They are very useful! Thanks for watching!
@uriel-heavensguardian8949
@uriel-heavensguardian8949 Жыл бұрын
@@TenonsTenors yesssir
@manny3549
@manny3549 3 жыл бұрын
ONE OF YOUR BEST VIDEOS! SO USEFUL!
@TenonsTenors
@TenonsTenors 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you and thanks for watching!
@shanemccarthy1562
@shanemccarthy1562 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed, I imagine this method would also be useful for sliding dovetails, just use an angled block instead of a straight one.
@manny3549
@manny3549 3 жыл бұрын
@@shanemccarthy1562 that's right...great idea! I still don't own a router plane, thanks
@metacruft
@metacruft 4 жыл бұрын
Nice! I don't have a router or an aze-biki nokogiri, but I have had some success on pine with just a series of very heavy knife cuts, starting light and then really working into the cut with a sharp knife. I then pared into that line from the waste side like Paul Seller's 'knife wall' technique for sawing, then removed the waste with the chisel as you did. I"d be wishing for a saw in any thing tougher than pine though!
@metacruft
@metacruft 4 жыл бұрын
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@jasonandres6908
@jasonandres6908 4 жыл бұрын
Yes! I totally forgot, but that Stanley I'm using actually had a veneer cutter that can be used to do that. You'd still run into the same problems with the skids though. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@nobody_8_1
@nobody_8_1 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! 👍
@TenonsTenors
@TenonsTenors Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@Lindholmer5k
@Lindholmer5k 2 жыл бұрын
I know Zetsaw/z-saw have some katabi with a slithly curved blade NOT intended for this, but iv had success to a degree with mine. Leaves a but ugly finish since my saw is intended for somthing bordering on rough cutting lumber. Anyway, they are widely availeble for cheap on ebay, and planty of western shops
@isaiahknoot8997
@isaiahknoot8997 3 жыл бұрын
Mortise Gauge and a Fenced Router plane is another option
@edwardleonard9901
@edwardleonard9901 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Jason, I’m new at Woodworking. I like your channel and subscribed and look forward to seeing more of your videos. I do have a question regarding the combination plane. As I understand Stanley’s combination plane had several shortfalls. But, I believe all those have been addressed with Veritas’ Combination plane. Not sure if you are familiar with it, but if you are do you find the same issues with it?
@TenonsTenors
@TenonsTenors 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for subscribing! I am not familiar with the Veritas Combination plane, unfortunately. I choose the old Stanley's for a couple of reasons..I like the sturdy construction of older tools, and I have a very small shop, so it seemed more economical (and space-saving) to buy two combination planes rather than 50 dedicated moulding planes. Having used both dedicated planes and the combination plane to make moldings I have found that the Stanley is excellent if you spend the time to make all the minor adjustments required to the sleds and fences, etc. This can be time-consuming, however. If you are looking to be able to quickly transition to making moldings without hassle I would recommend the dedicated wooden molding planes. I just watched a video on the Veritas and I didn't see anything that is different from the Stanley in terms of adjustment. With all combination planes you need to have razor sharp irons, and not all the irons can be sharpened with a jig (almost none, actually), so you need to have good freehand sharpening skills. But,the same goes for dedicated moulding planes though, however, so there's not much difference there. The other thing I considered was the condition of the plane...wooden moulding planes can be easily found on eBay, etc. these days, but finding ones in good condition with flat soles and good irons can be quite expensive. Due to the materials used in the Stanley (metal) I've found that they all work even though they might be a little rusty. Finding one in good condition with all the irons can be a problem and costly though. If you're on a budget and want to ensure that the condition of the plane and irons is perfect, and also be able to contact someone at customer service should anything be wrong, I would go with the Veritas. Hope that helps!
@edwardleonard9901
@edwardleonard9901 3 жыл бұрын
Tenons & Tenors thanks!
@Wheel333
@Wheel333 3 жыл бұрын
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@PEDRORUGELES
@PEDRORUGELES 2 жыл бұрын
Wer can i fiend Azebiki
@TenonsTenors
@TenonsTenors 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! You can buy the azebiki nokogiri from this store here in Japan. Just scroll down on this page to the bottom to find the saw. www2.hp-ez.com/hp/nakatyou/page40
@LitoGeorge
@LitoGeorge Жыл бұрын
@@TenonsTenors is that you in the linked website picture with the Japanese man? How long is your aze-biki? (the long one you use here). Tx
@TenonsTenors
@TenonsTenors Жыл бұрын
@@LitoGeorge No, that's not me and the head of my saw is about 10cm or so.
@LitoGeorge
@LitoGeorge Жыл бұрын
@@TenonsTenors thanks. I would like to ask you to clarify something for me please. Is the only difference between these two saws (aside from length) that the one is hand made and the other machine? Beishojirou Azebiki Nokogiri Hand made saw 直ぐ使い 別所二郎作 替刃式畔挽き鋸 and Chojiro Azebiki Nokogiri Hand made saw 長二郎 目立て済み 畔挽き鋸. I found them on kurashige-tools online if you want to take a peek.
@TenonsTenors
@TenonsTenors Жыл бұрын
Yes, that appears to be the only difference.
@ARMYStrongHOOAH17
@ARMYStrongHOOAH17 2 жыл бұрын
There's no reason your saw would have to be curved. You could just as easily use your technique with a back saw to achieve the same results. I got my back saw from my local Ace Hardware.
@timelyrain
@timelyrain 2 жыл бұрын
The curve is not for feasibility but for efficiency
@ARMYStrongHOOAH17
@ARMYStrongHOOAH17 2 жыл бұрын
@@timelyrain yes, well, if you don't have one of those saws then efficiency is the least of your worries. My point was someone with a backsaw or really, almost any crosscut saw that's rigid enough could still make the cut without having one of these saws. I only say that because he said that if you didn't have the saw then you'd have to just chisel it all out, which is inaccurate. Thanks for the info though 👍
@TenonsTenors
@TenonsTenors 2 жыл бұрын
A Western back saw would be close to impossible to use in this situation. The Japanese saw with the curved blade allows you to push the saw forward in the kerf and cut on the pull stroke, and the straight handle allows you to apply downward pressure as you cut. The shape of the handle on a Western back saw is designed to enable downward pressure as you push forward, but the 90 degree angle on the front of the saw would get caught in the kerf and you would not be able to push it forward. You have to remember, the back saw would need to be at angle since the entire blade may not fit if the groove you are cutting is short. The Japanese saw avoids this problem entirely. Thanks for watching!
@ARMYStrongHOOAH17
@ARMYStrongHOOAH17 2 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fZqYdJCS2r6cZYU.html As long as the dado is longer than the saw blade and your back saw is not super thin and flimsy like a flush-cut saw, a back saw will work just fine as shown in this video. It may not work as efficiently as this nice Japanese saw, but it can get the job done. As can a chisel and mallet. Whatever works...
@TenonsTenors
@TenonsTenors 2 жыл бұрын
@@ARMYStrongHOOAH17 Apparently you didn't read my comment carefully. I said, if you're cutting a groove that's shorter than your back saw, you will not be able to use a Western saw. Also, in the link you sent James is cutting a groove that allows his saw to go beyond the work piece. That is NOT a stopped groove, where the groove ends within the work piece. I appreciate you're comment, but you are wrong. A Western back saw is not the tool you want to use for this task.
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