Look at the wording they use, seems familiar doesn't it. Sounds almost... political.

I wouldn't say they evolved to writing "bad" fanfics, I would offer they have always been bad as it is easy to write good fanfic for a Mary Sue which is what Intel effectively were prior to Ryzen.

I think you meant "evolved"

@@Ruvaakdein Get you point but tbh it kind of works both ways too

The 11900k review is like their Twilight. Whoops hadn’t finished the video before commenting, turns out I’m not saying anything new :/

It is right on one thing, Intel's marketing is very lame. And it is that way because their products are lame.

@@youtuberobbedmeofmyname But the funny thing is...AMDs marketing is not good either XD Calling it world class made me burst out a laugh! XD

They literally say that Rocket Lake is 10% faster because their own benchmark says so. These guys are jerk-offs.

@@introvertplays6162 AMD marketing is so bad, its a joke. Even them they are on top of wish lists for gamers, because they really care about performance and they notice better products. It would be even more funny if all of this was Intel paying them to write, so desperate, Intel is so incompetent

@@introvertplays6162 I was thinking the same thing like AMDs marketing is kinda ass. I literally fell asleep during their CES announcement. Plus the regular consumer (non-gamer, just needs a desktop) has never even heard of AMD.

thank you. I wasn't sure if I was going nuts or not lol

Lol I was listening on 2 times speed and had to double check!!

I'm laughing way too hard at this. Fucksake. Hahahahahahhaha

I wonder what their reviews of NVIDIA GPUs are like now even when Intel ARC is currently being curbstomped by both.

Next: Benedict Cumberbatch

until this video i thought all their scores were some sort of compiled average of test scores from users benchmarking with those components

@@lilspeth_ same, i feel dumb now

...Dude, before I clicked on the video I saw the title and thought it was going to be a site about IT people rating users.

I was also confused why the 3950x was praised everywhere but had poor result on UserBenchmark. They seem to be doing the same with GPUs anything that is not nvidia is hot garbage (the 40 series gets a 9x score while everything else is at around the 50 mark) granted the 40 series is a beast of a gpu but it's overkill for most people.

I legit used the website to upgrade my pc like a year and a half ago i wish i had this video then lmao

I always wondered why my head tingled when I visited the site. It seems it was my brain cells killing themselves to avoid giving me cancer. Noble little ones.

@@XxNightmare128xX idk if brain damage is preferable

11:17 and 12:11

@@jvccr7533 the only way to win, is to not play.

Userbenchmark Usermenchbark Userbarkmench Usebrenchsark Pghaliasark Userairgaiprjzpa

Sounds exactly as that few months old intel presentation, doesnt it?

@John Jenkins bud, this comment section is specifically talking about an open intel fanboy who froths at the mouth when AMD do anything. whether or not AMD fans do the same thing isn't relevant, because they're not the subject of discussion. talking about one person doing dumb shit on a certain side of the debate doesn't mean that they excuse people doing dumb shit on the other side of the debate; it just means that only one of those is what's currently relevant.

@John Jenkins you understand that you're the snowflake in this situation? Also I use Intel.

Not even...they are complaining about the people who review both.

@John Jenkins Yeah but they have the numbers to back that up.

Not only that, but they also do it in such an aggresive and unjournalistic, unproffesional tone, to the point where they use words like "Neanderthal" in a fricking product review.

"AMD CONTROLS THE MEDIA!!!" Didn't Intel sponsor you at one point? Quite unfortunate.

It's not even AMD specific hardware Although Ryzen 7000 has weaker multi-core, weaker single-core, higher platform costs and higher unit prices AMD have a 3D joker up their sleeve (7800X3D est. 2023). Via “Advanced Marketing” on youtube, forums, reddit, and twitter AMD will demonstrate that their upcoming CPU is the “best in the world” and offer “proof” by way of a small handful of obscure workloads. Games that few people play e.g. (Factorio, SotTR) will be cherry picked, video footage of the gameplay/settings won’t be provided and frame drops will be conveniently ignored. This playbook has easily outsold Intel in recent years but with every overhyped release, consumers lose trust in AMD. Based on social media/press coverage, you would never guess that the combined market share for all of AMD’s Radeon 5000 and 6000 GPUs amongst PC gamers is just 2.12% (Steam stats). Meanwhile Nvidia's RTX 2060 alone accounts for a whopping 5.03%. Largely thanks to marketing incompetence, Intel is existentially motivated to deliver material annual performance improvements. - Intel i9-13900K Since Intel don’t care for long term relationships with PC hardware influencers, for product launches, they often end up sponsoring influencers that are mostly funded by AMD. As a result, Intel rarely get positive marketing coverage beyond launch, and their products remain relatively under priced compared to AMD. - Intel i3-13100F the 12600K is both cheaper and faster than the competition in both single and, notably, multi-core performance. As a result, even AMD's prolific marketing infrastructure (youtube, reddit, forums etc.) will struggle to drive sales, at least until Zen 4 launches (est. late 2022). In the meantime, Intel's i5-12600K is the obvious choice for consumers that do not wish to pay over the odds for almost unparalleled performance in the majority of workloads including gaming. - Intel i5-12600K Consumers that demand value for money, should wait a few more months for the 4060 / 4070 models by which time AMD's 7900 series will also probably be heavily discounted. - NVIDIA RTX 4090 Since PC gamers rarely buy AMD GPUs, Nvidia only have themselves to compete with. AMD continue to burn their credibility with PC gamers. Following a series of over-hyped releases which were heavily promoted on youtube, forums, reddit and twitter, consumers have little interest in the Radeon brand. As time goes on, AMD’s “Advanced Marketing” has a decreasing impact on consumers. Meanwhile, Nvidia remains focused on novel goals such as better graphics (RT/DLSS), frame consistency, game compatibility and driver stability. - NVIDIA RTX 4080 In terms of real world performance, Nvidia’s 3000 series has more or less put AMD’s Radeon group in checkmate. Nonetheless, AMD’s marketers are capable of delivering elaborate BS albeit whilst struggling to keep a straight face. Their marketing infrastructure outsold Intel in the CPU market despite a 15% performance deficit. Without an appropriate social media marketing strategy, Nvidia will probably lose - NVIDIA RTX 3090 and it goes on

@@lazerpie101 yes I read the whole thing. Honestly I feel like whoever is even running the site is just stuck on the ONE sponsorship they had with Intel, and will actively do anything to try and win them back, despite Intel being _very firm_ on the idea of not doing just that for many reasons. That or they're a rambling lunatic- who knows?

@@omega_6777 I need to see this, do you have a link to that specific review?

😂

you know nothing about pc. go away

@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2itLook at the bottom of that comment

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No, it's far worse. It's owned by Breitbart

@@mrmaniac3 owned by CNN 😂😂

At least it would have been funny.

Owned by Intel... wouldn't surprise me at all if it was lmao

The onion would at least make it sound more true.

Yeah well you’re probably not the only one since they pop up as the first few search results on google

Yep, almost chose them the first time I wanted to make a quick check. Ended up getting 3DMark... which might've been overkill, but at least it's reliable. :)

Don’t worry, I’ve been there too. Used this site a fair few times without ever reading the hate at the bottom. Clearly it didn’t work since my machine is actually full AMD but it has definitely caused me to delay my choices in the past and wonder if I was getting the best bang for my buck. However, learning this (and having the machine in hand) makes me feel even more confident in my choices! What’s best is that we recognize what a crap site it is and dissuade others from it for these scummy practices

Same this is exactly what I used to do. Grant it I also looked up reviews before picking my hardware but I would always glance at this site's percentage scores sometimes. I feel so dumb lol I'm really glad my hardware choice wasn't swayed by them, if only by a very small bit.

I made this same mistake too, but I luckily haven't been able to afford a PC, so haven't wasted money in Intel. Besides, I use Linux and looked at AMD because their Linux drivers usually work better.

It feels like some weird paranoid manifesto. The detachment from reality can only be described by insanity.

This is bad?

You have a lot of likes, and KZfaq doesn't notify you so I thought I would. You're welcome homeskillet

Holy shit, you're right, 90% of the review is just making up preposterous bullshit to discredit other reviewers LOL

They aren't reviewing CPUs, they are substituting as Intels unpaid marketing department. Like complaining that the Ryzen comes with a cooler, when you'd want one for oc'ing, without mentioning that the same goes for Intel. And cherry picked benchmarks away from reality and from games that nobody plays? I didn't know that GTA V, Flight Sim 2020, Red Dead 2, Far Cry 5, Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Watch Dogs Legion are obscure niche titles that only a very few reviewers ever run. And those were only the games tested in the first reviews I could find by simply googling for ryzen review.

That was a review? Oof

Right? All I got out of that "review" was that the 11900k is the fastest of the 11th gen series. Everything else was "AMD is paying people to lie about Intel. They’re doing their reviews wrong *on purpose*”

Not surprised to see Harbor Unboxed in the comments (or in the video for that matter) after watching your video(s) on the matter. I ship it.

@@TheRadElk oh shut up We all know it's hammer unboxed

@@sannidhyabalkote9536 No way, it's hammer on box!

They literally compare you to Eskimos selling ice which is just......🤦‍♂️

should I read this comment in Steve's voice? or Tim's?

Even WebMD doesn't lie to you, it's just overly cautious and tries to cover as many possibilities as possible (hence the joke how it's always cancer). Usermenchbark on the other hand is just straight up taking the piss.

Dont forget about the hospitals neanderthal marketing tactics of doing “bloodwork” and checking your family history

You forgot to add the word "neanderthal" at some random point

regular mechanics: your brakes are not working, better change them UserBenchmark: your "effective braking power" is fine. when looking at more important factors, like wheel lockups, (of course, brakes don't even work), your car is perfectly fine. the mechanics are sending their marketing team to tryna fool you into thinking that your car is horribly unsafe.

This was one of the best examples of how bad userbenchmark is, and thank you the laugh. 🙂

A joke is funny. So yeah, the first couple of times this site was a joke. Now, it's just pathetic and harmful to new users.

I wanted to compare my 3600x with friends old i5 and it somehow showed that his old i5 is 2x time better. I was so confused by this and thought that it might be an error. It appears it's not an error but they are deliberately manipulating the scores. Nice haha

What about their GPU Reviews?

@@momi193 I don’t think that they manipulate the scores in anyway but they definitely don’t like AMD’s GPU and trying to make a bad name for them

I thought the last one was a fake until i looked it up

@IKSDE XD AMDs only short coming is they don't have enough chips.

@IKSDE XD also... When does Steve have ego? Everything he does he backs up with extensive testing.

@IKSDE XD Can you please elaborate your criticism? It is hard to take someone seriously who only answers LMFAO

@IKSDE XD I agree that the overclocks are pretty low, but I believe it's because of true stability, they try to keep the rippling to a minimum while normally people overclock a bit higher than what is technically stable. I'm not 100% though. I flat out disagree on the Nvidia thing, they critique Nvidia a lot judging by all the videos I have seen. I don't know enough the RA Tech thing but it's weird that he removed his tweet without responding and his attitude works well when he is right and companies listen to him because of it, but his attitude can be a bit problematic when he is wrong because sarcasm doesn't work well when you're wrong

@IKSDE XD Wait what? I mean high voltage isn't a big concern nowadays with cpus but if true it's not very good to show as an example I will try to pay attention to the critique and compare, but most of his criticism is fair against both companies. He also really likes AMD CPUs and has since first gen ryzen so he probably doesn't have any problems with the company itself True, he doesn't seem alot about CPU architecture, even though I know much less

this is a very good point. Honestly, it does seem very fitting to what I know about schizophrenia as well. Sadly, I don't think we will ever know

_Proceeds to create the first Intel-Galactic Empire_ 😂

Dew it

LOL

@@forzaelite1248 that is one of the best puns I've read in a while

@@forzaelite1248 Fantastic pun!

I admit I'm one of those. I've used the once holy nvidia and intel combo since 2005 and i will probably still use it in the foreseeable future, my past experiences with AMD has scarred me when the company didn't know what they were doing, now however AMD seems to be undefeated.

@@Keaza. and wayyyy better value

@@oz2362 definitely. There only really is one thing intel still does good and it's server cpu stability, that is the one reasoning for many companies to still use intel on their servers. But aside from that, AMD is king.

@@Keaza. similar experiences, friend convinced me to get a Ryzen because my mobo died last year and I NEEDED a new mobo/cpu, it was cheaper to get an AMD, but it's worked fantastically so far. I will totally admit I got over past bad experiences entirely because I was desperate and terrified of losing my stream average waiting on new PC parts though lul.

Yep, I was an early Ryzen adopter cause I wanted better multitasking but still good gaming performance without breaking the bank - and I got it. Next time I upgrade I'll go with whatever offers the best performance/$ whether that happens to be Intel at the time or AMD. In the current market it's actually Intel, but that's only due to the hyper inflated pricing on almost every component out there. I'd easily grab a 10600k for $220 + B460 Tomahawk for $200 compared to the overinflated nearly $400 R5 5600X if I were building a system right now. Sure hope that changes in a year or two when DDR5 gets to 3,200Mhz and I'm ready to upgrade. Availability and supply is soooo crap right now for 7nm silicon lol ;/

To be fair, they’re not wrong.

😶maybe you should think on your critical thinking skills@@demaciasolos

@@zeenxdownz The AMD fangirl is coping on their $500 cpu purchase hahahaha that’s actually mint

the 14900k processor that competes with this processor is $600 so I don't know what your talking about@@demaciasolos

​@@demaciasolosfound the user benchmark editor

Intel users can now buy copium for as low as $9.99!!! Get it now, while supplies last!

@Ruxis256 I think they have a couple guys working that just send their products to reviewers then take a nap.

@@LisyaMyata dream job right there

as an AMD user, I am well aware of the "Intel Inside" marketing slogan - I couldn't tell you AMD's marketing slogan to save my life.

@@caramelldansen2204 Does AMD even have a slogan?

@@konstagold Gamers Ryzen Up

I believe it was cause he didn't want the name to be remembered rather forgot and shund

no, it's the exact opposite he went out of his way to pronounce it wrong (Busermenchark, Usermenchbark, Ushfmhfmgfk, etc.)

look at his lenuoveovo vr review

Poserbenchmark?

Loserbenchmark

Honestly regretting not getting an amd card, got a 3060ti fit my first build.

@@purplegoopguy The 3060ti is still a good card even if Nvidia and shills are scummy. Enjoy it while you have it and you can always go red later down the line.

@@NiSE_Rafter Oh yeah, it still works. Just a massive fucking pain dealing with their proprietary drivers on linux. Only thing I want them for is the gpu frame buffer recording

​@purplegoopguy how can u be based enough to use Linux but dumb enough to go for the closed source nvidia garbage

@@rabbischlomobengoldbergstein I didn't think about OS till I realized I hated the idea of installing windows on my PC. I YOLO'd the absolute fuck out of this build ngl. I kinda just slapped shit together after skipping through 2 minutes of like a 2 hour LTT video on building pcs. It wasn't that complex lol. And I only got the 3060ti because A) cheap B) It is a fire card C) Very cheap, like under 500$ (Brand fucking new) Also didn't have a ton of experience with AMD cards. Ima be real I don't have any more problems from it. Oh yeah, AM5 does this funny thing where you can literally stop seeing your wifi adapter until you turn off the psu and spam the power button to discharge the capacitors. I shit you not. Hilarious. (Also some mediatek driver thing and powersaving setting I forgot)

You're joking but both AMD and Nvidia make chipsets actually used in russian ballistic and cruise missiles. So plenty of people literally killed by their products.

jesus christ what a video, good job philip LULW

I see whatcha doing

Thank you I was looking for this

@@lucid-ity you're welcome :D

Bruh momento.

Yeah, that's the incredulous thing too; of all the hardware subs, r/amd is the only one to not ban them outright

@@sodapone If usershitmark is mentioned a bot will reply with information about them.

@@sodapone i'm guessing they think it would look bad on their part to ban a site that criticizes them

@@adog3129 It does make a lot of sense

r/hardware has userbenchmark banned aswell I believe

Do you know better alternatives to this site?

If you loved the 5800x3d review, then their Ryzen 7000 CPU reviews are the perfect thing for you! This is, where the reviews get really aggressive and where like 60-70% of the whole review just consists of bashing againist other " "news" "outlets (and yes, they acutally put the Word "news" in quotation marks themselfes, to state, that all the other outlets make biased reviews) and also bashing the marketing and calling them out for... or just read it yourself. The explanation of all their hilarious BS would be actually longer than their reviews, because there's so much extremly hilarious stuff to talk about.

@@ardanesinuctepe5114 Gamer’s Nexus and Tom’s Hardware , I mean they are not the most unbiased, but they are at least not comically slanted like clownbenchmarks

@@omega_6777 I hope Intel actually gets them to settle down when the d*ckriding becomes so embarrassing it starts to produce bad press LMAO

I'm sorry, are the comments bots? I've recently went over to see this review, and the comments seem to ONLY agree. Either some censorship is happening or comments such as "AMD are great at selling junk. They pee in the well with fake comments, glorified cheerleaders on youtube and paid magazine reviews. My POS PC still crashes randomly. Everybody needs to call the rats out instead of letting them get away with it" are paid reviews or bots.

Then they must have broken up about when the 2000-series came out, as said ex couldn't stand seeing her company find its footing again, much less seeing AMD start to run with the 3- and 5000-series chips.

I know this is most likely fictitious, but damn it reminds me of the story of Sonny and Cher. Apparently he just could not accept that she was more successful WITHOUT him.

Almost liked but saw the likes were 666 and unliked #HailSatan

@@vortraz2054 bruh what

@@utterkid2 #HailSatan. The hashtag is a shit post, and the satan hailing is genuinely funny to me. I apologize for my metalhead memes

@@MrViki60 stereotypically its usually the males projecting and gaslighting so this comment makes no sense

I think you misspelled, it is UberFakemarks

@Taikun Igarashi stfu incel

@@MrViki60 cringe

@Qimodis Yeah, in this case it's more a question of difamation. Gaslighting is more personal and involves consistently undermining one's self-esteem and self-reliance.

Yeah, I feel like a proper idiot for not questioning their garbage sooner. Real shame they're typically the top result for people looking to compare CPUs before buying. I think they really skewed my perception of AMD's stuff.

bruh for the longest time I thought userbenchmark is just a benchmarking website

@@greenbin3028 same, I never looked at the reviews. Just the numbers

I trusted them too, until they claimed that my 3600x is much worse than some old i5. It was that moment I started feeling something is not right, but I didn't know it's THAT bad

yup, same. i personally stopped using that site when i saw that they rated the i5-2500k as "BETTER" than a 3600. that, was when i realized something was very wrong

I have a similar experience, my problem is that I already have XMP enabled, so I have no idea how to address it

Also "Trump is still the president and is controlling the military."

I had to do the same. That... ugh. well i'm not using that site again.

The guy behind that site is becoming more and more deranged with every new product that comes out, he's literally losing his mind with every AMD processor.

It reads like a North Korean state news article praising the Glorious Leader after he shit his pants during a televised interview. "Glorious Leader can do no wrong; the world is just biased against him! The 'brown streak' on his pants was just Western propaganda! "

@@nibs7252 How dare you! spread those villainous lies, everyone knows that our Glorious Leader does not poop, that's for mere mortals like you and me, after all.. I learned that in the state-sponsored educational system! so it must be true! I think you have been corrupted by the western "fake media" and you need to be re-educated for your own good, I have reported you to the pertinent authorities so expect them soon at your home. Long Live Inte... I mean The Great Leader!

Do you know any actually crowdsourced comparison sites?

@@professionalsocialoutcast5926 eventhubs

I only use UserBenchmark to compare my PC to itself after making a change (GPU overclock, etc.)

Same here. Just got sent this video and feel absolutely betrayed after thinking their CPU comparison was correct.

@@jensen1646 It's also okay for basic troubleshooting. Whomever made the benchmark is talented, its just how that information is used and manipulated that is the problem.

At this point AMD could very well have a viable defamation suit against that site.

@@chdreturns Streisand effect. If they sue them, they will only draw more attention to the site.

That review is only 25 % about the cpu itself 😂

Honestly, me not understanding perfectly what more cores actually do or where how many cores could be enough, I would be quite conflicted as to who now tells the truth. I say would be, because its so blatantly obvious since they dont even write sincere reviews anymore and simply hate on amd for marketing, instead of giving an unbiased review of a product. Whoever writes these "reviews" must be certifiably insane. Its just funny how they miss the most important thing in their reviews: an actual review

@@gorgit Yeah, it would be totally reasonable for UB to explain how core count is only useful for programs that utilize all the cores, and maybe give some examples of what programs use more cores so certain people know which CPU would be better (for example, creative software often benefits from more cores, but gaming generally uses a fixed amount) but instead they just started writing a review about how bad AMD is lmao

I never understood that particular part of the site. Like, why would I care about the age of a card or how many other people use it? I care about performance. And that's misrepresented to hell and back.

@@Dreams_Of_Lavender Not really, read the numbers in the actual performance section, don't be stupid, that's all.

@@Dreams_Of_Lavender Market share is actually important, it's a way to judge how well supported future game development will be for your hardware. You know the whole "Wah wah our performance is bad because developers all develop for Intel and Nvidia!!!" excuse that AMD and its fanboys have been using for years to excuse their terrible performance? I mean you can argue that it doesn't matter if you'd like, but then you'd also have to acknowledge AMD (and its fanboys) historically misrepresents its products performance

@@jimmehjiimmeehh9748 lemme guess: you didn't watch the video and just came to the comments for drama

@@jimmehjiimmeehh9748 lololol I saw your reply on another comment and thought "this guys gonna be aaallll through the comments whining like a little baby." The very next comment thread I open, and what do I find hahaha

LMAO LITERALLY ME THE ENTIRE TIME

Dudes having a stroke.

LMFAO I KNOW RIGHT

I watched the entire video and never realized until i read this comment

I was looking for this comment, I'm diying 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

As soon as I saw this video I just KNEW the 5800x3d review in particular would be a masterpiece. I was absolutely not disappointed. If mental gymnastics were an Olympic sport they'd be disqualified for juicing. It reads like a marketer reworded a 7 year old raging about someone else in class getting a better homework score 😭🤣

THE AMD MARKETING TEAM OF RAMPAGING KZfaqR REDDITORS WILL STRIKE FEAR UPON PLANET EARTH UNLESS YOU DON'T BUY THEIR MOTHAFUGGIN PROCESSOR

OH. I didn't even think about reading that, they're SO MAD ahahah. They couldn't even say Intel's faster, just that it's solid.

the fake comments are funny af too

The regular 5800x already blew Intel out of the water. It's a stupidly good CPU for the price point (at least in my experience) but the improved X3D must have caused immense levels of clownery. They're still somewhat cheap (though a bit more than the X) and they blow Intel out of the water even harder. Meanwhile UB is straight up blowing Intel. Not out of the water, either.

Didn't know my processor was worse than an I5.. WELL... SELLING 5800X LIGHTLY USED 300USD SHIPPING INCL.

And worst of all, it's a 6c/6t i5 NOT a 6c/12t

And yet I can't find any 5000 SERIES HERE IN MY COUNTRY FOR SOME FREAKING REASON

@@ireallyreallyreallylikethisimg damnnn

@@hunde2430 let alone the whole world!

well Verge on any political matter, but yeah UB's propaganda could made a north Korean PR agent blush.

At least Verge has the decency to delete the article when they get called out.

@@anasevi9456 no, not just the politics (but for that matter, have no seen any of their non-tech stuff, so I don't know if what you say is even true about the politics, but I have my assumptions)

I dont think the verge knows enough about tech to even know a brand to be a fanboy about. Like if you asked them "amd or intel?" they'd say "are they the ones making the brain of the computer?"

The Verge would smugly mock you for forgetting your tweezers when building your computer. Yeah, they got them.

what'd you get

That's impressive because I built my first one two years ago and even with looking at this site VERY quickly realised there was no good reason to go for Intel over AMD. Don't rely on just one source.

@@rker i5-12600KF ​ @ShaCaro Well, i wasn't looking at the articles on the site, i was simply using them to compare specs, had i looked through their articles, i probably would've realized that.

I'm new to pc so I had no idea that they were bad

Same does anyone have a different site with more honest comparisons

I used to use it, only really looked at the stats and not the big chunks of text.

@@rhubarbeque that’s what I use it for is it fine for that

@@kylewidrig5993 I'm not knowledgeable enough to really see how accurate the measurements are, but as mentioned in this video they've basically made up eFPS, so there could be a lot of things that are shady in their measurements. If it could be determined what is actually benchmarks obtained from users and what is userbenchmark specific then maybe some things could be used.

The reason it's so simple is because it isn't designed to actually work. You cannot directly compare processors or video cards. It isn't in any way accurate. If it was a list of pros and cons, then it would be accurate. (providing the pros and cons are stated accurately, of course)

@@nikkiofthevalley how can you not directly compare them? Comparing their performance in a variety of games is a valid direct comparison imo

@@DannyB1111 Yes, but that's only 1 part of the pros and cons of a processor or video card. What about API support? What about other tasks than gaming, like heavy simulation, or video editing? That's only a few of the myriad of other metrics you need to accurately guage whether a processor or video card is fit for your purposes.

I like notebookcheck - it's not biased much as far as i can tell. obviously it's targeting laptop parts though.

@@TheExileFox hwcompare used to be really good, I still use it for picking out graphics cards whenever I want to quickly get an overview of the memory bus and bandwidth compared to other cards. Admittedly I have been team green since 2011 with the GPU mostly because I dont trust AMD to support their GPUs with drivers for more than 4 years, so many of my friends have been bured, oh and shadowplay is pretty neat of course

Yeah...

Userbenchmark doesn't right these reviews. If you look closely, in most of these it said "[ CPUPro]". Open your eyes.

@@VeeTHis that they use another site as a source doesn't mean its a citation and can't be reworded. I don't know cpupro, but it could definitely still be userbenchmark changing the wording to make it in line with their own opinion.

I am pro CPU competition, and this is just one of the results of competition. Hardware gains have gotten us pretty far, and there's certainly more to go, but the x86_x64 extension instruction set is the real bottleneck here (which has also had some great mileage). As consumers in the PC market, we are thankful to even be able to compare red vs blue workloads because of the mostly shared cross-license x86_x64 instruction set. Should either diverge and embrace a new instruction set, the whole software ecosystem would be gravely disrupted. It would be far worse than the impact to all 13 Mac users who have to switch from Intel to Apple ARM. This interdependency of a shared instruction set and shared software ecosystem has kept them in a gridlock where the only innovations they can pursue are hardware-based iterations. Of course, the OS and Kernel of choice are the secondly most important piece of unlocking greater performance.

@@VeeTHis I'm going to assume that account is their own. There's even a GPUPro account for GPU's. Looking at the site more, a lot of the text has CPUPro, GPUPro, RAMPro, and what not at the end, so definitely the site owners

That's not french 🥖 mate that's Bitch''ish

thats fing insane omg hahaha

Uselessbenchmark

UserShitmark UserAssmark UserBirthmark UserOnyourmarksGetsetGo I can go on and on. They may not be good insults, but they're insults!

I agree. Like literally the more harsh and critical you are towards a company, the more likely they are going to put actual effort into their products because they have to in order to get people buying. Blindly defending or fanboying a product will always lead to a situation where the manufacturer will just get comfy and let the fanboys do their marketing and sales all the while degrading their product and hiking up the price

capitalism not only colonises the land and its resources, but the people's minds.

@@caramelldansen2204 Calm down there.

@@trainsandstuff1021and thats what happened to intel

I guess it's the need of feeling to be part of something. Ignorance+no self-confidence, masked with a trolling attitude that lead to blindling workship, who/what-ever let them feel " special " in theyr twisted mind, at least.

Well there's a saying where i live. "If you have nothing nice to say then don't say anything." And there is absolutely nothing nice to say about that series of CPUs... so they don't say anything about them.

@@Sonlirain the 11400 and 11600k aren't terrible but I wouldn't pay more money than the previous gen equivalent or AMD competition.

I also love how they accuse AMD and their fans of the same things Intel has been doing for at least 25 years.

@@wayward03 the 11600k isn’t terrible, but are only slightly cheaper than the 5600x, performs worse overall, and use about 64w more power.

@@EvilTurkeySlices projection is a thing ...

I did so too, and I did notice their scoring made little sense the last couple years

Yeah me too. I'm glad, that I didn't use it to decide which processor I should buy.

you can use to compare between the same generation if you just go by numbers and know what you are doing, basically just numbers and don't even bother with their opinions. Although at this point I wouldn't give them clicks even for that

@@supershad9855 I always thought the ranking is very single-core-heavy because it's more for showing the in-game performance but now with the newest generations of CPUs from Intel and AMD it's not making any sense anymore.

Last time I used that site was like 2016 or something, when I was trying to replace my gtx460

More like as they are slowly getting paid more and more by Intel. Or their hate boner is getting bigger due to AMD getting better and better for half the price of Intel's CPU's

@@PolskiYoshi well to be fair intel is becoming AMD now with the 11400f

@@bananya6020 Well, not quite becoming AMD, but true, the locked Intel hexa-cores generally offer great value, and AMD vacated the $200 for now.

Same, used to check that site when comparing specific components (i've never read a review from them actually, just a quick look at the numbers) but now i guess i'll ignore them

@@JuliTV123 Comparisons between different nvidia gpus and different amd gpus is half decent, but don't try and do between and amd and nvidia gpu, as they have an nvidia bias, althoug hnot as bad as the intel bias.

@@gamagama69 What in the F are you talking about, this AMD fanboyism is insane. Most people going on there don't give a shit about the reviews, those are subjective, what's wrong with the User-Submitted Benchmarks for people not to use those?

@@Resanctify Watch the video. The issue is Userbenchmark numbers don't even match up to real world performance. They've fudged the numbers too much. The 11900k, for example, is in no way 16% faster than the 10900k in most real world workloads. That website also claims the i5-9400 is 3% faster than the i9-9980xe, in what world is that true? Userbenchmark is so awful the website has been banned from the r/Intel and r/Nvidia subreddits. Their descriptions of AMD CPUs and GPUs are pathetic. Things like the 5700xt being good for benchmarks but running too hot for extended workloads

Those aren't really reviews, more like random thoughts inspired by the processor in question. I don't think that amount of text is enough to review anything.

Hey do you have a link of this presentation?

@@InfiniteDarkMass Then they should atleast be about the cpu itself, not some random bullshit that they're making up.

Now back to you, Steve.

in fairness you make the 11900k look better by talking less about it, because the more you talk about it the worse it looks as theres nothing good to say.

Good thing Intel's hands are clean as they definitely do not engage in such vile acts as "marketing". Oops, my hand slipped and I accidentally typed "Intel influencer program" into Google and oh wow look at that turns out they do?! I know, I'm just as shocked as you are.

I wouldn’t exactly be calling some one else unhinged with a profile pic like that.

@@Zeqweery Ahegao is a perfectly sane and holy interest.

@@peterprime2140 well she does look kinda hot so ig it’s not so bad

@@Zeqweery That's a guy. And not sure if you'll hold that opinion after seeing the full pic, which is on my about page.

Glad to see that I'm not going insane by myself

There's a other one at 8:43

Try the one @ 11:17

Yeah why is he never pronouncing their name lmao

12:12

Go read techpowerups CPU reviews, they go into a LOT more detail than most websites

@@StevenMussels the main thing that got me about UB was that I could directly compare products with a single score. I get pretty easily overwhelmed with spec sheets.

Go read tpus 11900k review and just skip to say 1440p gaming result - you'll see how little or actually matters. 5600x from AMD shines so hard with power vs performance

@@StevenMussels I'm mainly using this CPU for Blender stuff, not Gaming per se. Even harder to get good benches.

@@FairweatherBaah in multi-core Don't think of Intel

Every year, full time.

@@pantzman At least they don't do it for free (probably)

Userbarkmench in 8:15 lol

Same here, I had no idea. It's inexcusable...

How much did AMD pay you to comment this? I need some cash man

reddit moment

@@CWorm KZfaq moment

Same. I'm always helping people at r/buildapc and there are so many people who use this as a full on benchmark it hurts me.

@@ExySmexy What other benchmark/comparing site would you recommend?

Epic poggers chungus XD

LOL

That's the most bizare thing here, I'm 100% convinced they don't give these clowns a dime, they are just that much Intel fanboys that they do it for free.

@@enlightendbel I mean when Intel reddit literally banned them because they didnt make any sense and they didnt wanna be associated with them - you KNOW you shell too hard.

@@Dark_Voice You'd think they'd take the hint rather than double down lmao

Nvidia too

You're complaining about Bias on a video where a minute in Phillip lies about how Intel only sold 4 core 8 thread processors. (they've been selling higher core count desktop/gaming chips since 2010). Worse than lying he tries to add a qualifier to his lie "if you wanted extra you'd have to pay a lot more!" so that when his lie is pointed out he can weasel out of it. Phillip is an AMD fanboy and biased that way. Unfortunately with the way the world is now, no one even tries to account for their biases and outright pretends their bias is objectivity.

@@jimmehjiimmeehh9748 k

@@jimmehjiimmeehh9748 And now you sound biased. Ironic.

@@jimmehjiimmeehh9748 You're serious aren't you? Alright then, I'll get serious too. "They've been selling higher core count desktop/gaming chips since 2010" - alright then let's see Ivy Bridge for example. i3 - 2 cores 4 threads, i5 - 4 cores 4 threads, i7 - 4 cores 8 threads, i7 extreme - 6 cores 12 threads. So it would seem that you're correct right? Wrong. The key word here is desktop/gaming. i7 extreme processors are workstation/enthusiast grade of hardware and require a enthusiast/server motherboard. Usually i7 extreme processors are double the price of the flagship i7 processor and the motherboard is usually also double or even triple the price of a normal motherboard (LGA2011, LGA 2066). Meanwhile quad core flagship processors were the standard for Intel from 2007 with Kentsfield (eg. Core 2 Quad Q6600) up until Kaby Lake in 2017 (eg. i7-7700K). The first real affordable consumer Intel 6 core processor released with Coffee Lake in late 2017 / early 2018 (eg. i7-8700K) as a direct response to AMD's Zen architecture (February 2017) and upcoming Zen+ architecture (April 2018). Intel kept the core counts frozen for consumers for literally 10 years and it would keep them frozen longer if AMD hasn't appeared with competetive products.

@@Tomoyo86 I point out three objective facts and you call me biased. Do you not understand the problem there?

Fun fact : He already making a video about LADDER

Wait did he????

🤣🤣🤣

I think you meant "advancing in the opposite direction"

Is this a reference to something? If not, holy crap, this is incredibly well-written for a KZfaq comment.

@@midknight1339 It's a joke running around in Poland about how German newspaper headlines read at the end of WWII, just replace AMD and Intel with Russian and German :)

@@gloowacz Ahhhh makes sense. I figured it was probably originally satirizing some war, but I couldn't find any sources (which makes sense, since I was googling in English).

Reminds me of CNN.

@@EvilTurkeySlices Quick, do a double backwards somersault and make it political!

@@EvilTurkeySlices Why drag politics into it? It's a fucking benchmark site

@@EvilTurkeySlices Really, you have the nerve to bring politics into this?

gamers acting like politics is some weird foreign thing that isn't intertwined with almost everything and has no effect on their lives lmao the dude said 3 letters and got 3 replies complaining about politics, white boys are hilarious

You trusted this video blindly

They don't write the damn reviews...

@@VeeTHis Yet they publish them on their site. You think they just accidentally publish these reviews?

@@VeeTHis they did make efps a thing which no one knows how to measure except themselves. And they changed the algorithm to give lower scores to higher treads which is really biased.

@@VeeTHis Yes they do. CPUPro and GPUPro are likely the owners or affiliates of the site. Pretty much all the featured reviews are from them.

What about GPU reviews? Are they biased as well? (since intel is not a player there) I'm wondering if I should ditch userbenchmark completely or just the CPU side