I now have BOTH "next gen"controllers, wanna see them compared and find out which one is BEST? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jZ2phdaT2srJdIE.html

My thumbs have never smashed against eachother 💀

I feel like having the mic in the controller is just gunna make farting into the mic a lot easier.

I don't think I've ever smashed my thumbs together

The problem is, when you're in a voice party on PS5, the back microphone works properly and to a degree it cancels out the background noise it hears. Another problem is the mic doesn't default to mono mode when you use it on PC. All I can really say is that, this controller is definetly works better on PS5 than PC. The noise cancelling works very well, AND it is VERY hard/rare to hear someone's button pressing and haptics when they're playing a game. You should do another test where you test with someone else in a PS5 party chat. As for this PC review though, hopefully we can get some proper driver support for PC. (Probably through some 3rd party.)

Interesting side note: A Way Out on Origin allows you to play split screen with both a PS4 and X1 controller, and each player gets the appropriate prompts. I hadn't seen that before that game.

I’ve never bashed my thumbs together on a PS controller after owning every single ps console. I had to get my PS4 controller just now to check and couldn’t play games with my thumbs that far over the sticks. (I’ve owned Xbox’s too, and had no problem with that layout, but just prefer the ps symmetrical layout.) Most people I play online with have a headset and will never use the controller mic. I kinda get why they’ve added, but it’s not something I will use.

Hearing someone tapping on their buttons like that would drive. ME. NUTS! I couldn't handle it.

Can't wait to connect it to my phone and take calls with it. Holding it up to my ear as I'm out and about.

It would be interesting if sony implements something similar to RTX voice in the PlayStation software to fix mic issues

My left ear feels lonely.

I HATE offset thumbsticks. you talk about where your thumbs sit "usually" but if you are playing an FPS your thumbs should be resting on both the sticks MOST of the time. Even for 3rd person games I generally prioritise camera control over actions. No I don't generally have issues with my thumbs smashing together, but I generally have the tip or pad of my thumb on the stick if I'm not pressing it from the side, if you have your knuckle closer to the stick that might be an issue but that seems REALLY awkward. Plenty of people use bad mics online anyway, I just mute those people if it's too bad, this will be no different. However it has a convenient mute button, and could be handy for brief responses and such for people able to use it properly. Honestly the biggest problem I have with my dualsense is my hands getting gross and sweaty while playing and gunking up that otherwise nice patterned texture on the back. I DO use a PS4 controller on PC, and once prices drop on the dualsense and maybe a blue one comes out I'll upgrade my PC controller with that too.

I still don't understand people who rest their right thumb on the face buttons. I'm almost always playing a game with a first person/third person camera so my right thumb is always resting on the right stick. To which, resting my thumbs asymmetrically feels awkward so I would like symmetric sticks to remain a standard.

ima be going Out in few hours to get one , i was using the PS4 controller on my pc since 2K18 , for different games ( rocket league , fifa etc.. ) i'll be back in like , 1 week from now to edit the comment and say my honest feedback about it .

My soul hurt when he cut through the tab

the built in speaker for ps4 had limited uses, so i'm sure this mic for ps5 will be just as limited. I prefer definitely symmetrical controls of sony over xbox.

The KZfaq algorithm is like a boss in Dark Souls, you think you won against it but then the second health bar appears.

I use the switch pro controller on the PC. It just feels the best in hand and I love the tactile buttons.

I use the dualshock 4 for my pc gaming (or K+M depending on the game). I actually prefer the non-offset sticks, though its probably more that I've used playstation controllers since I was a kid and it just feels more familiar. I've never had issues with my thumbs smashing on playstation controller. I need to have both thumb joints actually touching the edges of the pads before my thumbs overhang enough to get them to smash together and that's not something that's ever really happened when playing games. Even when I hold the stick in 1 direction and my thumb slips a bit, it rarely slips that far and even if it did, my other thumb generally hasn't slipped so far to cause them to risk them hitting each other. I'm interested in the dualsense, though I want more support outside of steam. Hoping for official drivers from Sony to make it natively compatible, but doubt it will happen so probably just gonna wait for a 3rd party program like DS4Windows to show up and that's when I'll grab one.

Regarding the placement of thumbs when gaming, I'm NOT usually on the face buttons with my right thumb. If I'm playing a first person shooter or any kind of game with aim/camera control I'm on both thumbsticks (so in this case it's more natural for me to use PS4). If I am however playing a game where my right thumb spends more time on the facebuttons, then it's probably a "retro style" game or something and then I'm more inclined to use the d-pad instead of the left thumbstick to move around - and this makes the PS4 controller more natural in this situation as well. The Xbox One controller is never ever in line with my thumbs because I'm all thumbsticks or no thumbsticks at all. I guess I'm prefering the PS4 for the exact same reason you prefer the Xbox One controller! We just seem to have opposite playstyles. :) Edit: My thumbs never smash together because I'm moving the sticks with the tips of my thumbs. There's no thumb present between the sticks. This feels dirty to say even though it really isn't in any way. :D

Well, putting a mic in a hand controller sounded like a bad idea from the start. The only question i might have is, are they doing any filtering of the button noises in the controller, or do they leave that for the PS5 to handle? If they do any filtering at all.

would love to see the FFB come to pc

Wow! Just wow! The Dualsense mic sounds really well. I'm looking forward to try it by myself.

The mic isn't as horrible the way I expected it to be, but the clicking and tapping definitely feels like an inconvenience. Still, if I were to pick between having a mic and NOT having a mic, I'd pick a mic every time, but there's probably room for some engineering to be done regarding those noises, I guess. Again, not a hill I would personally die on, since headsets are dirt cheap, and just HAVING a mic as a feature opens far more doors than it closes, it's just a thing to keep in mind, perhaps.

Am I the only one who thinks the Wii U Pro Controller's double flipped (both sticks on top) layout is the comfiest? Looks a little goofy at first blush but might just be the most ergonomic dual analog controller I've ever used. No idea why they dropped that with the Switch TBH (though I haven't actually tried the Switch Pro Controller).

I will never understand the complaint with symmetrical thumbsticks and supposedly bashing your thumbs together. For the PS2 controller? Maybe because it was tinier than people remember, but on anything past that? No way. Unless your hands are as big as Andre the Giant's, you would have to be playing with the heels of your thumbs to manage it, not to mention I have never in my life played a single game that even put me into a position where I'm pointing the sticks towards each other frequently or frantically enough for there to even be a risk. You even appear to be struggling to make it happen by force when you try to demonstrate it. For me, symmetrical will always be better because frankly, I find asymmetrical makes accessing the D-pad extremely awkward and uncomfortable and I'm convinced the "thumb bumping" argument is made up theoretical nitpicking. I've only ever heard that "it could potentially happen" and never once have I heard "it happens to me all the time". This isn't even anything specifically to do with playstation vs microsoft vs nintendo because it varies on third party USB controllers as well. As for the mic? Personally it's a none-issue for me because I have never used the on-board voicechat for any system. I've always used my PC mic and external software because I have only ever used voicechat with friends in private groups. I've also always disabled in-game voice chat input and output because I don't ever want to listen to randoms online regardless of their mic quality. Take that for what you will but the point is I don't bother complaining about shitty voice chat implementation because I was never going to use it to begin with. Same reason I never complained about Nintendo's idiotic phone app voice chat. It's bad for sure, but I was already using an alternative by choice so it was never going to impact me in the slightest. I'm sure not everyone has that option though.

I’ve long play FFXIV on pc with a ps4 controller, I am considering picking up a ps5 controller and trying that out.. great content and thanks for sharing you thoughts on it!

The mic works. Obviously a mic on the controller is never going to be as good as a headset, but in a pinch it works pretty good and I imagine for voice control and things like that it will be great. This all comes down to personal preference. Everything functions very very well. So if you like the way it feels in your hands then you will like the control. I think the buttons and sticks feel great personally, again, personal preference. However, the haptic feedback is something that you should really feel before fully judging the control. It's honestly kinda weak to put out a review/impression video where you cannot even use one of the main features of the product. It may seem gimmicky but it is actually really cool. Much cooler than I expected, and that's coming from someone who usually hates rumble function. And the trigger feedback is also really cool. It does nothing but add to the experience.

I would love to know more about how well the gyro works with Steam's PS controller support built in. I'm a huge fan of using gyro's, i almost exclusively use the Steam Controller because of it. If controllers would of had gyro support from the beginning, I don't think we would of ever had such atrocities the likes of 'auto' aim, etc. to compensate for the lack of precision control with analog sticks.

Simple solution to fix that mic problem on the PS5. All they would have needed to do was add a "Mute Mic" button with a red LED indicator (LED on = mic muted). Not that hard. Razer has a similar feature on their controller. Put the button bottom center on the controller so that it is easily reachable with either thumb for a quick press, and make it a big button, like the size of the face buttons.

You lured me in here with the title, but I was pleasantly surprised by a very nice and thoughtful review. I'll be interested in testing the controller out myself in a couple days. Thumbs up!

I thought my left earphone was not working until you switched back to your mic LOL.

What. Xbox One controller had force feedback triggers since beginning. Sony is behind on that. Xbox's works on PC. Can download the Xbox Accessories App and test them out.

Im still on the fence. I like the layout of the PS controllers with its d-pad making it easy for 2d fighting games. I've been wanting a wireless option for some time so I can game on the PC with my television in the living room so my wife and I can play some remakes of our favorite classics like Crash Bandicoot.

I use an xbox one controller on some game on PC. I am interested in using the PS5 controller but once the features work on it. I'd like to try that out and see if it's any good.

PC gaming - Xbox1 gamepad, hands down. I only use Dual shocks for Playstation consoles. -agreed on the mic, it's a terrible idea. I will be muting everyone using it, period. -as for dual analog sticks, I do prefer xbox for offset, but I'm fine with either. Never had issues with Sony's being too close, personally.

I read on a Norwegian site that the controller now has full Steam support now. Have you tried it in a while and checked if the adaptive triggers works now?

The noise from the buttons is not just annoying, it scratches my ears

works natively on rocket league, haven't tested anything else

I like both. I happily play PC games with ps4 dualshocks via steamlink. Especially when you have on couch multiplayer. You can probably hear button clicks on a headset mic too. Certainly can when they are using the playstation camera as a mic. Lets see what noise cancelling goes on with the actual ps5 and maybe they can software fix it for pc soon. Honestly to me - through my phone speaker - the ps5 mic sounded a bit nicer than the radio DJ style bass of your elgato mic.

The controller I use for PC gaming is the 8BitDo SN30 Pro+. It is sooo much better than the Dualshock controller and is a cheaper wireless controller than the Xbox controller with added features like gyro controls. It has a Dualshock look to it but feels much nicer, with better face buttons and d-pad, larger bumpers and triggers, better joysticks, and a larger grip that feels much better than the small design of the previous Dualshock controllers. This isn't even mentioning the software that can be used to adjust things like button mapping, joystick dead zone, trigger sensitivity, vibration levels, and even a dedicated macro button. It is by far one of my favourite controllers I have used, with never minding the symmetrical joystick design due to playing more PlayStation games as a child than Xbox games. I recommend this controller to anyone who uses a Dualshock with PC and wants to get more out of their gaming experience that a Dualshock cannot provide.

I started watching your vids like a decade ago, and never knew about your stammer until this video (in 2022).

DONT know about for PC but it’s actually really really awesome and I hope that devs keep this in mind going forward. Shooting games, motion control, the speakers, and the vibrations all are sooooo cool!! I have been a strict Xbox user for years but I was sick of being left out with all those amazing exclusive Sony games. I absolutely love lovee loveeee Xbox controllers I hated ps3 and PS4 controllers but this experience really adds a whole new level of immersion!!

I play with a DS4 and Switch pro for the gyroscope. I'm looking forward to the DualSense having full support on Steam to have touchpad custom menus, gyro aiming and nice dual stage triggers.

Ps5 controller mic users are gonna be the equivalent of the xbox kinect mic users. Also I can't be the only one that hates the protruding thumbsticks on the switch and ps controllers. While it doesn't usually happen, In the back of my mind I always feel like my thumb is gonna slip off so I have to apply a bit more downward pressure which can make it difficult to pull off very subtle aim adjustments where as the concave thumbsticks on the xbox controllers give the tips of my thumbs a pocket to fit into and not have to worry about it slipping when I tilt the sticks with light downward pressure.

I much prefer symmetrical sticks. It feels much more natural to me. I have never had the rubber deteriorate on any of my controllers.

Definately one of the few I think that bash thumbs together. I think I have an advantage/disadvantage in regards that the digits on my hand are shorter than average. Which I think is what the PS controller is designed for

Thumbs... that is the reason why I love Sony controller layout and hate xBox one...

I remember back in day. I hated thumbstick placements on PS4. As avoid xb360 fan boy. Back in day. Now I can't stand go back to Xbox controller 🤣 it's crazy.

I use a PS4 controller wired. I didn't know you can hold the PS button and the share button to link it wireless. Sadly it wont work for Assassins Creed Valhalla. UbiSoft games don't support wireless PS4. Now i have to try other titles to see what is and what isn't compatible.

Minority preference but I prefer the location of the analogue on PS controllers as it's easy to claw the D-Pad for extra options where games put some actions on there, like dauntless, apex, to name a few. So on xbox controller playing dauntless, I can't run and switch grenades and heals or something, or recore, can't run and switch attack type. But that's just me. If they don't use the D-Pad then yea sure, xbox controller is fine.

I have big Skeletor hands and I have never in my life rested my palms on the controller like this. The "grips" are always held with my first knuckles along my hands and my fingers wrap around. How do you get any precise movement or control? with my palms resting against the grips I can press the bumpers on a ps4 controller. Am I a freak and do most people hold their controllers like shown? I've also always preferred the PlayStation controllers for this reason.

I always liked the xbox controller more since I think the layout is MUCH better. I didn't play much with the ps4 controller so I can't say much about it, except the layout. what do you think has the best layout?

Not having a tip to your knife still cracks me up. Thanks for the video.

I have a ps5 controller too and it works perfectly in the steam big picture mode, but the second I run a game the controller no longer responds in game. But when I exit the game it goes back to the steam big picture the controller works fine again. What can I do?

I use my Switch Pro controller with USB C on my PC. Mainly do this because my Xbox One controller disconnects frequently and I don't have a decent Micro USB cable to connect it with. Also I prefer the sticks like Xbox and Nintendo so don't think I'd use a Dual Sense especially not on PC.

Yea that mic when you’re pressing the buttons sucks.

I suppose I don’t game near enough to have a preference or feel a noticeable difference. I use a DualShock 4 controller with iOS/iPadOS, Linux, and of course PS4. I use an Xbox controller with my PC and on the Xbox One. Thumb stick placement doesn’t bother me either way. That said, I really disliked the PS3 controller: Slippery triggers and thumb stick domes. On longer gaming sessions I’d actually start feeling a cramp coming on.

Yeah, it's not a must have for PC gamers. Mostly because developers think PC gamers only use Xbox controllers.

Sony needs to update their PS Now app on PC to be compatible with the Dualsense. that app has not been updated since the pandemic started if I'm not mistaken, which is a bummer. I don't even know if we'll ever see full compatibility with the Dualsense other than the one in Steam

The microphone isn't a great idea besides the possible use in single player games and voice operation. Though using a DS controller on the ps5 will be a different experience then using it on Steam. I'll wait to use it on the ps5 before I judge it as a controller.

I personally like the PS4 controller over the xbox style, but still yet to try the PS5 controller. I use the PS4 controller when ever I need one for PC gaming, things like GTA5 or other controller games. As far as the PS5 controller MIC goes, eh it's good enough to be honest, as long as games don't make open MIC the default, should be fine, most people who talk more than a few words will buy a headset/MIC for better talking anyway. Knowing that the player will 100% have a MIC in hand can open up fun play.

Great video. Not owning any PlayStation since PS2 I have to say that I don’t use a PS controller on PC. I do have a good Xbox style PC controller, and I do occasionally use my NS controller on PC. My only issue is, as you alluded to, Xbox/NS switch the X/Y and A/B layout...

In extended use I find the handles to be too narrow at the bottom not giving my huge mitts enough support.

late thx and fight the metal mind alg. Good hints and oppinions about. Help me at my deciding for next controller. Kudos

honestly even though i havent gotten my hands on a ps5/dualsense, the controller looks really comfy. honestly ive been used to the symmetrical sticks, tbh having asymmetrical sticks always weirds me out lol

My thumbs have never smashed against eachother. I usually have my thumbs in the middle of the sticks, so it would only happen if my thumbs are overly hanging over the sides

I use my Wii U Pro controller most of the time on PC, but I also use my DS4 from time to time.

That Mic actually sounds pretty good. Those Comments aged like Milk outside on a hot summers day

Steam now fully supports the DualSense 5

Very very rarely using a controller , had a cheap aftermarket thing for FIFA, but I think about getting me an Xbox Series X controller, since I prefer it way over the DualShock

"Let's unbox this thing and see how it feels in my hand." "Ooh, oohhh" -I don't like where this video is going... :P

Great video as always, i'd have to say i only use controller on pc when it's recommended, so i'd likely never use a ps5 controller unless it was a backup, but at least the controller looks nice leaning more towards that xbone sort of design, minus the thumb sticks, also i wasn't aware of the playstation inputs being displayed on pc that's a nice touch

The ps5 controller is amazing in some regards, flawed in others, but the fact that you can’t pair a dual shock 4 to the ps5 is inexcusable. Total cash grab Edit: I’m happy someone else also likes the Nintendo pro controller! Edit 2: On the ps5 controller, you can press left and right from just putting your thumb on up or down. Same goes for up and down from left and right. It’s been screwing me when I use pine resin in demon’s souls. I apply the lube, switch back to grass, and put away or change my right hand weapon forcing me to reapply lube.

I mostly play on PC and I have Xbox one and Dualshock 4, personally I prefer the Xbox one controller, cause it's much comfortable to use, every face button is within reach of my thumbs. Dualshock 4 in other hand is my go to controller for fighting games.

Nice video Blunty. I’m listening to your video on headphones and the controller mic seems to go to the right of my stereo mix. Do you Thani that has something to do with either the drivers or the array not being set up properly on the pc? Cheers

Would that mic be active ? When playing online? Because I would like da shot on mute lol

TBH I was pretty impressed with the performance of the mic while you were using the buttons and everything. Considering that it is a free form of voice communication for people on PlayStation I think it does its job. People might buy a ps5 and not want to pay the cash for a headset or microphone setup or might not be able to afford it so I think this is good enough for that scenario. I really enjoy my Dualshock 4 controller on pc though I prefer my steam controller. If the force feedback and all the other features like that become supported on pc I would definitely end up buying one. The features are gimmicky but cool.

yeah i bought the PS5 controller and the buttons read Xbox and i cannot figure out how to map them back to PS buttons. infuriating.

I used a PS4 controller for a while and will go buy one of these today if they're in stock. I'll buy a ps5 eventually. I only use a controller for racing or sport games and the one or two times a year I start playing them, I always have so much trouble have the pc/steam/each game recognising the controller. I love PS controllers because I have the hands of a 12 year old girl. That microphone idea sucks. Surely they could have tested it and lowered the frequency volume for button pushes

All those comments saying "this aged like milk" aged like milk. 😏 I said out loud "Oh thank god!" when you switch back to the normal mic because the quality was that much better. Yeah, at normal mic distance, PS5 controller is passable other than my left ear being lonely. In the lap, really bad. Actually being played on, nope, if I heard _that_ in a game's voice chat I'd either be looking for whoever it was coming from to mute them or just disabling chat altogether. Whichever option would get that racket to stop violating my ears the quickest. Maybe it works better on an actual PlayStation 5, where Sony might have the software configured to use some noise canceling or whatever. Would have to hear it on a real PS5 to know for sure (I'm sure not going to trust the comments to tell me it sounds great, because of course the Sony Simps are going to say it's perfect regardless of how crap it is). But if anyone tried to play and chat on PC like this (or PS5 if it still sounds like crap), I'm absolutely muting them. Playing like that is a crime against GabeN and should carry a sentence of being banished to UPlay.

Makes sense

U use a standard PS4 controller and a scuf impact PS4 controller on my PC

One thing that disappoints me is the Xbox Series controller still seems to have a much bigger dead zone than the Playstation. Its particularly obvious in Horizon when trying to do precise aiming, hopefully dualsense retains that precision. For that reason and something about the disability in my hands, I find the Playstation controller more comfortable and do not have the thumbs touching problem. Although I do find my thumb slips off the left stick too easily compared to Xbox due to the angle.

I don't get the bashing fingers together thing I have huge hands and I've never bashed my thumbs with the sticks. Is that why people prefer offset sticks?

Actually a pretty good, to the point review/thoughts for the controller. No idea why you would sully that with that click baity, rage baity title/description. I tend to switch between Xbox and Playstation controllers (Which makes press x awkward at times), but I prefer the playstation ones. I prefer their stick placement more personally and I can honestly say, I don't think I have ever hit my thumbs together lol. Looking forward to getting one of these controllers for my PC. ... Now I just hope Steam adds trigger support.

idk should i go for dualsense or new xbox controller for PC. Mainly reason for dualsense is adaptive triggers, idk is it working on pc or is it gonna work?

dude i havent seen you in years lol i completly forgot that you exist and I used to watch your videos, you sir are very dramatic! (ㆆ_ㆆ)

Maybe it makes some annoying game sessions, but it makes some pretty sweet ASMR, lol (Or maybe that is in part Blunty's smooth jazz radio station voice)

Damn you algorithm... you'll never beat me!!!!

be nice to see a video comparing mobile gaming usability

When it comes to me and pc gaming I tend to switch between controllers depending on the game I'm playing. FPS games ofc with mouse and keyboard still. Though I'd like to have some sort of Wiimote+nunchuck option as I don't like 3D movement with WASD. But back to controllers. For 2D games I'm using the fancy SN30 Pro+ as it's super comfy and works great with 2D games. For 3D platform ers or racing games I stick to my trusty 360 controller. Hate the d-pad but love everything else. Used to game on a Xbox One controller but for some reason after 2 months of usage the RB no longer read my inputs, lovely controller besides that fault.

The controller hurts my right pinky a good amount if I hold the controller for 2 3 hrs

Try the Xbox series controller. I like it more than my elite 1 controller.

i'm here to fight the evil algarythum. :D

As a few others have brought up im curious what happens if you use Nvidia broadcast on that mic does it remove the controller noise.

Really glad to hear of the massive improvements over the PS4 controller. I have big hands too so its a welcome change. Ive never owned an XBOX so i never really had a chance to get an xbox. i use the ps4 controller for PC. What were your thoughts on the small triangle,square,cross and circle textures on the controller?? surprised you didnt mention it!

Does this require a bluetooth adapter to work with pc and if so which ones would you recommend for the best experience? (lower latency etc)

DualShock 4 (aside from the cheap-ass plastic) has been the best controller ever made. XBone felt higher quality, but the ergonomics of the DS4 couldn't be beat. also that stupid asymmetrical trigger-layout... whoever thought of that is realy smol-brain. just ordered a DualSense. curious to see if it'll actualy replace the DS4 as best controller ever (:

I wanted to like it too. But, it seems rubbish for windows. Which is upsetting. Sabatoge.