Using Joint Compound as Molding Paste

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Cinder Block Studios

Cinder Block Studios

7 жыл бұрын

I've heard about people doing this for a long time, but is it really a good idea? Let's find out, together!
Also a note I forgot to mention is that the Joint Compound will take much longer to dry.
Addendum 2019: Joint Compound will start to mold in the bucket after a couple of years...Molding paste has a much longer shelf life.
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@christinemanuel7477
@christinemanuel7477 4 жыл бұрын
Joint compound is fine to do sculpture art on canvas, etc. It will hold up just fine. I use it all the time in my art. I form my art with it on a canvas, get the shapes I want then I sand it lightly after it drys. Then i gesso it, then seal it with a varnish or medium, then paint it the colors I want. AFter that I seal it a couple of times with a clear gloss or matt varnish, holds up fine.
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 4 жыл бұрын
Based on the need to sand, seal, and varnish. I feel like the molding paste might be a more cost effective option for you. Based on your process you're spending more time and money on getting the compound to behave like paint that is worth the effort in my opinion. But hey if it works for you keep doing it!
@starrfly9997
@starrfly9997 Жыл бұрын
Do I need to use gesso or primer on joint compound if my intent is to just paint it some matte color? I don’t fully understand artistry terms but am looking to make textured art for fun and therapy and figured it would be cost effective to use joint compound instead of modeling paste
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios Жыл бұрын
@Starr Fly Gesso is essentially a primer coat to give your paint a better adhesion to the canvas or other support. If your goal is to use the joint compound as a textured base then paint over it, then I absolutely would recommend a gesso layer before you begin with the color.
@mikeedwards5102
@mikeedwards5102 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely! I lay down designs on canvas, let it dry 36 hours and then have fun! 😊
@erincrawford4751
@erincrawford4751 Ай бұрын
I use it with and without adding a medium over it, depending on the effect I want. There is a place for anything you can use to make art work.
@zzzz3190
@zzzz3190 6 жыл бұрын
1 part white latex paint to 4 parts joint compound= a much better representation of molding paste. Especially if you add acrylic paint to it or paint over it when it's dry. molding paste is still better, but if you're poor like me or run out and need a quick substitute. This'll do ya.
@DietitianSafaManasrah
@DietitianSafaManasrah Жыл бұрын
Does latex similar to acrylic?
@edeaglehouse2221
@edeaglehouse2221 Жыл бұрын
@@DietitianSafaManasrah Modern "latex" house paint is actually an acrylic emulsion with some conditioners and stabilizers added. The colors are lesser quality than artist's acrylics and the house paint dries flatter (physically). Some house paint may actually be more durable to abuse and exposure to the weather (or at least indoor environments). The pigments used in artist colors provide more brilliance and contribute significantly to the price. That said, house paint can be used where economy matters but the viscosity is pretty limited to liquid only.
@TheCabinetmaster
@TheCabinetmaster 3 жыл бұрын
For any that need to know, Joint compound is not quite Spackling Joint compound is for using at installation for sealing joints along with the use of tape, not gonna be as good for repair as Spackling is because Spackling is gonna accept paint better, and it's white. Some even goes on Pink and dries to white. Compound sticks to other Compound or the substrate. Compound doesn't stick as well to a painted wall. But if you do another layer, your spackling is going to stick better from that point on Good thing is Joint compound can be bought in a powder form or ready mixed And Spackling can be bought in a small amount for like $4 US. Then you can test it.
@sewsense
@sewsense 7 жыл бұрын
I use joint compound all the time. Once you paint it and varnish it, it looks great.
@Splatterpunk_OldNewYork
@Splatterpunk_OldNewYork 6 жыл бұрын
Hey a question, how archival is it? That is, does it ever crack or chip on any of your works? Thanks again.
@k8marlowe
@k8marlowe 3 жыл бұрын
Me too.
@larchmontbreeze7428
@larchmontbreeze7428 4 жыл бұрын
Also another thing you could try is use the Acrylic Joint Compound and add an entire small tub of the Commercial Molding Paste to it (ie. Liquitex or Golden). This might encourage longevity. I say try anything to produce your own. I'm no Scientist, but I love tinkering around, and I have YET to have a failure! Artists materials are vastly overpriced! Most Artists are poor, so if you can make your own .... shoot, do it!
@lauriemclean1131
@lauriemclean1131 6 жыл бұрын
I have not yet tried adding any sort of texturing media to a painting, so to have this information as a reference before investing in a product is a blessing. Thank you for this video.
@andiemac0
@andiemac0 4 жыл бұрын
Even years later this is SO useful. Thank you for the review, exactly what I was looking for!
@k8marlowe
@k8marlowe 3 жыл бұрын
I use joint compound to experiment with or practice techniques, but if making something that needs to stand the test of time I will invest in the good stuff. There’s no replacement for artist-quality mediums, but they’re WAY too expensive to play around with.
@wetdewlap8741
@wetdewlap8741 5 жыл бұрын
You can also add some water to the drywall mud to get a smoother consistency ... and luckily I do t know to many people that would dare go up to someone’s textured painting and start scraping it.. if it has paint on it or mixed with it... it’s not going to crumble or go anywhere .. u less ofcourse if you start trying to scrape it off.. otherwise it is a great substitute... if you have a little hand held immersion blender... that does great for mixing your paint with drywall... adding sand, whatever you want... just add a little bit of water to get the right consistency that you are seeking.
@littlefarm1229
@littlefarm1229 2 жыл бұрын
Scrapes and bumps are also a concern during transportation. You can say pack it well, but there’s still the risk of bumping it oneself while carrying it or putting it in the crate. It’s reasonable to make art that holds up to a little wear.
@christinewinig8286
@christinewinig8286 4 жыл бұрын
very helpful! and I love how you have started organizing your studio
@pegberthold3988
@pegberthold3988 10 ай бұрын
I have been in a quandary about this as a budding artist. Your video was an answer to a prayer, and has saved me from teary mistakes. Thank you! (Of course I subscribed!)
@anonnnnnsh
@anonnnnnsh 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Cinder block; I just bought golden's light paste because I'll be using it on fabric. It was demonstrated on National Quilters site.and I'm inspired. Good of you to take the time to clue us in.
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 6 жыл бұрын
hrm...not sure how it would work on regular fabric. Golden also sells a product they call GAC-900 which is used for heatsetting fabric. I'd be concerned that the light molding paste would fall off in a washing cycle.
@anonnnnnsh
@anonnnnnsh 6 жыл бұрын
yes, I'm also concerned but I'm putting it on a tote with material I got in Africa and it probably will not be washed for a long time: and then meh! Ill do some initials all over and an elephant on the pocket. Here's hopin. Thank you so much for your speedy responses.
@anonnnnnsh
@anonnnnnsh 6 жыл бұрын
added -- but I will check out the Golden GAC-900
@anonnnnnsh
@anonnnnnsh 6 жыл бұрын
and I got a good chuckle out of your definitive answer.
@tslilbearshoppe9870
@tslilbearshoppe9870 4 жыл бұрын
works fine if you gesso the canvas first and then use it sparingly and not too heavy that it fall/flakes off. After it is all dry you can also spray protect it with eurathane
@jdmosaics
@jdmosaics 6 жыл бұрын
Tip:- Acrylic joint compound has all the same properties as any “Artist” Modeling paste. No problem as mixing in Acrylic paint to it as it is flexible and has the same adherence to your fine art support as the normal art acrylic mediums on the market....it is much cheaper to buy at hardware stores which is the big plus...just make sure is does say Acrylic joint compound on the package. Cheers.
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 6 жыл бұрын
Artist Molding Paste is a higher quality and finer ground product. As others have commented there's a lot more to the concept of using joint compound than simply applying and mixing with it. JC on stretched canvas is known to chip off, as well as not being super archival. Yeah you're getting more for your money at a hardware store, but you're not necessarily getting the best product for an artist.
@jdmosaics
@jdmosaics 6 жыл бұрын
Cinder Block Studios Acrylic Gap Filler is made with Acrylic Polymer. It does not crack. Construction Joint compound is different and is full of Calcium carbonate and is best for ridged supports. Once painted and sealed they do both work extremely well and will probably out live most crafters. As far as being Archival goes you would be surprised at what is actually put in many products labelled as “Artist” quality. I have been using many Acrylic products for over forty years and when teaching children’s craft classes these products are a great way for parents to save money.
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 6 жыл бұрын
Ah ok, Gap Filler isn't really the same as joint compound. Had me a little confused for a minute there. Out of curiosity how is the gap filler in terms of extending colors? I didn't really talk about that in the video too much. Probably should also note stuff from the hardware store has a shorter shelf life.
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 6 жыл бұрын
???
@jdmosaics
@jdmosaics 6 жыл бұрын
+Cinder Block Studios sorry I meant Chemical Engineer!! Anyway I have found it is good to try products of all kinds when experimenting which to me is the fun part of art. Cheers
@mariad4183
@mariad4183 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome tips! Thank you for sharing honey! Happy New Year! xoxo
@peterloedden9716
@peterloedden9716 3 жыл бұрын
JC will work on a board, but not on canvas or any flexible substrate. JC dries rock hard and will brake off if the canvas flexes for whatever reason like moving, too much of a chance to take. I use adhesive caulking compound which dries hard but does not become brittle.
@visionray.
@visionray. Жыл бұрын
Caulk is GENIUS!
@peterloedden9716
@peterloedden9716 Жыл бұрын
@@visionray. Never noticed...why did I say "adhesive compound"? It's "acrylic compound"! Duh.
@visionray.
@visionray. Жыл бұрын
@@peterloedden9716 well there are adhesive acrylic compounds as well so your comment is definitely understandable
@deb6165
@deb6165 Жыл бұрын
Longevity is the key word. This is the answer to the question I have been searching for. Thank you.
@teresawright5654
@teresawright5654 11 ай бұрын
There is an artist that uses joint compound mixed with glue and some cellulose, and it makes a really fine sculpture product over an armature for bigger projects, where a molding paste would not work and be way too expensive
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 11 ай бұрын
Obviously if you're' goal is sculpture and not painting then using a painting medium would be silly.
@MadReenactor
@MadReenactor 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not just painting this stuff on, I'm making little decorative medallions with it for pastiglia e mucchi or stucco decorated late medieval-style boxes. Golden brand gesso and coarse molding paste are fun, but expensive. We have a lot of white acrylic paint we can mix with the drywall compound, and some waterproof wood glue, and plaster. I spent money on these things, and it would be great to use them up. I could make a ton of gesso decorations (a layer at a time) before running out and having to buy art supplies. The main thing I'm worried about is things being waterproof.
@mooreazin7809
@mooreazin7809 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I really needed this review :)
@neoaureus
@neoaureus 3 жыл бұрын
Haha...love the way you brought the bucket up with such such naughtiness
@marlomilanco910
@marlomilanco910 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid, informative. How can we make 'alternatives/DIY' pastes archival? I hope there's a book about DIY archival quality mediums.
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 6 жыл бұрын
That's sort of the downside to a DIY paste is that you're sacrificing archival quality for value. I think if you'd start to find a way to make your own archival paste you'll end up spending more money than just buying the real thing.
@cacevedo07
@cacevedo07 Жыл бұрын
Very helpful video. Thanks for sharing it!
@CharityS-Minnesota
@CharityS-Minnesota 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this demonstration!!! It was the best I’ve found!
@lizwalters9549
@lizwalters9549 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your thoughts. I make my own modeling paste out of baby powder and gesso (which I also make) and sometimes I switch up the powder with baking soda or plaster of paris with school glue and acrylic paint..
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 6 жыл бұрын
Wow interesting mix!
@JanisGagliardi
@JanisGagliardi Жыл бұрын
Can you tell me the mix ratio Liz?
@HeartWorX.Creations
@HeartWorX.Creations Жыл бұрын
Yes, plz supply the recipe for us, TY! 👍🙏🌞
@polly7373
@polly7373 9 ай бұрын
​@@JanisGagliardifrom what I've learned..it's 3TBLS Powder(baking soda is what I would use). 1Tbls PVC glue (Elmer's etc) and up to 1Tbs paint. I've also seen 2pts Powder 1part PVC glue, and 1part acrylic paint
@larchmontbreeze7428
@larchmontbreeze7428 4 жыл бұрын
I would also add some 'Gum Arabic' which might help it to stick to the substrate.
@edeaglehouse2221
@edeaglehouse2221 Жыл бұрын
Gum Arabic is not flexible and is water soluble. But that also describes the joint compound. They are compatible but why waste the gum arabic.
@AlexK26496
@AlexK26496 Жыл бұрын
Thank you ! I've been so confused for months 😁
@mikeedwards5102
@mikeedwards5102 3 ай бұрын
I use joint compound all the time. I love it!
@joeeastman
@joeeastman 5 жыл бұрын
I've seen it mentioned already, amongst other additives but I feel like mixing in some pva (Elmers) alone would yield a good substitute. Maybe.
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 5 жыл бұрын
I'd be concerned about the glue sticking in your brushes long term though. Would likely ruin the bristles pretty fast.
@larchmontbreeze7428
@larchmontbreeze7428 4 жыл бұрын
@@cinderblockstudios Soak brushes in 'Anti Bacterial Gel' (very cheap) .. this removes all traces of Glue ... Voila!
@cosmodibono3292
@cosmodibono3292 6 жыл бұрын
you can ad plaster of Paris for more strength and won't crack
@Higherup1018
@Higherup1018 3 жыл бұрын
Yes plaster of Paris will make it hard. I thought I could use a Dremel after using mixing it but it's so hard it's like concrete!
@mariad4183
@mariad4183 3 жыл бұрын
...thank you so much for this tip!
@dovespaligrino8312
@dovespaligrino8312 3 жыл бұрын
I use Plaster of Paris, it's never failed me yet.. way cheaper then the products on the market..
@jlouutube65
@jlouutube65 2 жыл бұрын
LOVE this!!! What if you add white glue with the joint compound?
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 2 жыл бұрын
Glue has a big problem with yellowing, not to mention that it would likely have issues with drying into your brushes.
@pegiwillan3204
@pegiwillan3204 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate any help I can get. bought what we call drywall paste (not sure if that is joint compound or sparkle ) in a premixed tub. Lovely and smooth but it does not hold shapes it droops. I want something I can sculpt with so I can make raised petals or birds wings or something that lifts off the canvas not just stencil etc. It also drowns out colour so that would be costly if working with colour unless applying on top. So after searching it suggests using plaster of paris which I did and added some to my drywall paste. Yes, it thickened it but was grainy and not buttery and also dried way too fast. I am at my wits end trying to find something that actually works that is not a fortune. I read add glue and add this that and the other but nothing seems to produce a good paste. Do I really have to pay for commercial paste?
@renatehaeckler9843
@renatehaeckler9843 3 ай бұрын
I would think if you use joint compound, once you paint over it, it should hold up pretty well as long as the canvas doesn't flex much.
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 3 ай бұрын
Except that's what canvas does is flexes
@marsandmeepsterobrock7629
@marsandmeepsterobrock7629 4 жыл бұрын
Your thoughts on lightweight wall spackle being used to build up form and texture underneath acrylic modeling paste?
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 4 жыл бұрын
Would be about the same I suppose...would have to test it out to be sure. Like the compound though it's a matter of how will it apply and accept the bounce of a stretched canvas.
@marsandmeepsterobrock7629
@marsandmeepsterobrock7629 4 жыл бұрын
@@cinderblockstudios I have found a recipe for lightweight spackle combined with acrylic gel medium. It seems to be working!
@sandytorremans1871
@sandytorremans1871 Жыл бұрын
@marsandmeepsterobrock7629 I would be interested to know your recipe
@Paintingtube
@Paintingtube 10 ай бұрын
Nice experiment thanks for sharing 👍🏼
@bradshores9617
@bradshores9617 Жыл бұрын
This was very helpful thank you
@meanbean98
@meanbean98 9 ай бұрын
joint compound will hold up you can prime it after then paint it with any kind of paint i use it all the time also you can do clear coat of resin as well the only thing that i would sugest is gessoing if you using it on canvas or any type of art work
@penelopecalloway
@penelopecalloway Жыл бұрын
Really helpful. Thank you.
@judyrankine1697
@judyrankine1697 3 жыл бұрын
Add a glob of Tacky glue to your drywall compound and it works great.
@PenelopePitstop069
@PenelopePitstop069 5 жыл бұрын
What if you were to mix equal parts or a 2 to 1 ratio etc etc, how will that work?
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 5 жыл бұрын
Don't know. That's a test you'll have to do I suppose.
@rwadhwan
@rwadhwan 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Excellent explanàtions
@BeautifulGemm
@BeautifulGemm 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this video 👍🏽
@serafinflorendo340
@serafinflorendo340 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! for being honest🙂
@LadyWinterGreen
@LadyWinterGreen 4 жыл бұрын
Would either product work on patching a garden statue. My stone dragon is either painted or glazed with a terra cotta (clay pot colored) surface that has worn away and chipped in a few places. Not sure if it is stone or concrete underneath. I also have to reconstruct the top portion on one ear. Have you any suggestions on what kind of product to use, including a glue that adheres to stone surfaces. I have had good luck with acrylic paints for outdoor figures, but not much experience with repair work. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 4 жыл бұрын
They wouldn't. Acrylic paste and joint compound aren't mortar or concrete. I'm no expert on sculpture or anything but I might work with some molded plaster or some quick mix mortar filler then paint it.
@LadyWinterGreen
@LadyWinterGreen 4 жыл бұрын
@@cinderblockstudios Thanks you so much for pointing me in the right direction. I've been painting (oil/acrylic/watercolor) for years, but patching this adorable dragon is a project I've never tackled before. I'll do some more research into other products like you suggested. Thanks :)
@edeaglehouse2221
@edeaglehouse2221 Жыл бұрын
A lot of statuary is made with "cast stone", that is either a cement product or epoxy product. There are sources for the material, but but a small repair, acrylic modeling paste would work, though exposure to weather and sun may eventually cause it to degrade.
@LadyWinterGreen
@LadyWinterGreen Жыл бұрын
@@edeaglehouse2221 Thanks for the advise. I went for a quick drying cement and it was easy to sculpt (after letting it set up a bit first). Been two years and it's still holding up well. Couldn't find a terra cotta paint to match the original color or texture, so decided to paint the entire dragon is various shades of green, cream spots and bronze claws. (acrylic paints are amazing!). I only have a few places to touch up this summer and my friend will be as good as new. 😊If anything else chips away, I'll keep in mind using acrylic modeling paste for repairs next time. It sounds easier to apply and sculpt. Thanks again.
@redshoesgirl
@redshoesgirl 4 жыл бұрын
can i use joint compound or silicone caulk or spackle in silicon molds to make embellishments?
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 4 жыл бұрын
Never used a silicon mold so I can't say for sure. My guess would be that the caulk as it's also silicone would adhere to the mold, while the spackle or compound would break off after it's dry.
@warpedweft9004
@warpedweft9004 Жыл бұрын
yes, but it takes for ever to dry. It's best on shallow molds like cake decorating molds. Nothing thicker than 1/4 inch unless you want to wait weeks for it to dry.
@dandelion1239
@dandelion1239 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@truthbespoken333
@truthbespoken333 5 жыл бұрын
Gr8! Thanks!
@shibaackerman
@shibaackerman 4 жыл бұрын
Hi I wanted to know if I wanted to put the joint compound on a mirror how could I get it to stick?
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 4 жыл бұрын
You could try prepping it with some GAC-200, but I wouldn't expect it to stick at all even with the prep.
@shibaackerman
@shibaackerman 4 жыл бұрын
Cinder Block Studios do you think sanding the mirror and maybe trying cement would work?
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 4 жыл бұрын
@@shibaackerman Sanding would help the issue of the mirror being non-pourous, I wouldn't go as far as cement though, but you would still likely need an acrylic gel or paste after sanding to prep the surface. Not sure what you're project is, but I didn't suggest sanding since I was assuming you wanted to leave the surface of the mirror undamaged.
@richiejourney1840
@richiejourney1840 6 жыл бұрын
What if you added acrylic polymer to it?
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 6 жыл бұрын
You mean like polymer medium? It would likely have the same effect as adding in a paint color. Would help adhesion a little, but no better than using just a color of paint.
@Elena-ph4pm
@Elena-ph4pm 10 ай бұрын
Hi. Can you recommend please a joint compound in Italy or maybe analogue of it. I can't found it here🥲 Thanks😊
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 10 ай бұрын
Spackle is very similar, however I do wonder how much either would be used with so many older buildings requiring plaster. Might not be a cheaper option in your country compared to the molding paste
@Alec_Collins78
@Alec_Collins78 7 жыл бұрын
So, get either type of paste or just the regular?
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 7 жыл бұрын
If you aren't familiar with molding pastes as a whole, just start with the regular molding/modeling paste and work from there.
@jaysonbelmoro6429
@jaysonbelmoro6429 6 жыл бұрын
Cinder Block Studios ,hi, i need help. can make a recipe of colored modelling paste. i prepare to acylic but i want the impasto effect of oil paint.
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 6 жыл бұрын
Sorry didn't notice the response until now. Heavy Body acrylics will have the same impasto effects that oil paints have without the need for additional pastes.
@joewelsh4714
@joewelsh4714 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, they make an acrylic spackle, by red devil. Maybe you can make a vid comparing this with modeling paste and regular spackle
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting though for sure! Though I try to avoid buying stuff just for a video and never to have a use for it again.
@joewelsh4714
@joewelsh4714 2 жыл бұрын
@@cinderblockstudios its only 5 bucks for 8 oz on Amazon. I bought some to try. I'll let you know how it works out so others can see. It should behave more like acrylic modeling paste than the one you tried in the vid. its good for stone, and ironically cinder blocks, lol and other substrate as well.
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 2 жыл бұрын
@@joewelsh4714 yeah I'd be interested in seeing what results you get
@roopk339
@roopk339 Жыл бұрын
The joint compound shrinks after drying.. 😑.. I wanted to make sculpture flowers.. But this compound shrinks and cracks... 😒
@worldofvideos429
@worldofvideos429 4 ай бұрын
Hi Nice Educational Video. I am one of your Subscriber. I have a question: Some Artist are doing their own Modeling Paste using this one example mixture of Baby Powder, Acrylic Paint and Wood Glue 1. Now in Jointing Compound - If I will add White Acrylic Paint Plus Wood Glue to the Jointing Compound does it will have the strength of the Regular Artist Modeling Paste? 2. I recently encountered in the internet the Sargeant Brand of "Sargeant Sculp It". Can I use this in replacement of the regular modeling paste? Hoping for your reply on thigh S matter. More Power
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 4 ай бұрын
Glue is a highly problematic additive to any paint. Many glues will yellow over time, or in the case of wood glue it would yellow as soon as it dries. Not to mention how brittle it could potentially make the paste. As far as the Sargent Sculpt It, I've never used nor heard of it so I couldn't say one way or the other. For the money spent on a bunch of alternatives, you could just get a molding paste for the same money that wouldn't have any question of holding up.
@worldofvideos429
@worldofvideos429 4 ай бұрын
@@cinderblockstudios Thank you
@shitheadjohnson2797
@shitheadjohnson2797 2 жыл бұрын
I actually something funny, I see that u have a cinder block there (Its for fire place fuel right?) You can actually make it out of a couple of bricks of wheet bix and about 3 tablespoons of raw oats, mix with it water, then dry it crack dry in the microwave, and it makes really tough cinder u cant break it by hand!! haha. needs to be varnished tho cause its water prone.
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 2 жыл бұрын
Nope my place is too small for a fireplace.
@shitheadjohnson2797
@shitheadjohnson2797 2 жыл бұрын
@@cinderblockstudios woops sorry ive got off on a tangent again inventing bullshit in my head, sorry...
@sharondean7802
@sharondean7802 5 жыл бұрын
thank you.......
@cherarnold
@cherarnold 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@auntieem9978
@auntieem9978 5 жыл бұрын
Ok, scratch that one! Thanks.
@ozmoderntx4718
@ozmoderntx4718 6 жыл бұрын
thanks for the video. What is the verdict? Would joint compound crack on a large canvas?
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 6 жыл бұрын
More than likely.
@wetdewlap8741
@wetdewlap8741 5 жыл бұрын
When you are done , lightly mist with water and smooth out any bubbles or cracks from when it dried but it shouldn’t crack if you mix with water first.. remember drywall mud is made to go three coats and then sanded of any bubbles or cracks( more so bubbles
@edeaglehouse2221
@edeaglehouse2221 Жыл бұрын
Yes. Joint compound is intended for walls that don't flex much. Polymer spackle paste should work, as it's basically like an acrylic emulsion.
@jennief2108
@jennief2108 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks ) Patreon is great if you can take it out of your Art Fees which mine tend to escalate!
@suzannehalesuzzz4895
@suzannehalesuzzz4895 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Ben . I prefer molding paste . but I use the joint compound or homemade molding paste on occasion . I add regular Elmers glue and white paint to it . What is your opinion of these additions . And no I dont do anything professional . Thanks
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 7 жыл бұрын
The compound's biggest drawback is that it isn't designed to be used as a painting medium, so it may have adhesion issues as well as issues with chipping or rubbing off. I haven't tried is super extensively on a variety of supports though so that would be up to you to test out everything from canvas to wood, to see what works. As for the glue. While it probably works to some degree, the glue can cause some issues if it dries into your brushes. Plus it's also not designed to be a permanent glue, so in 5-10 years time you might have some adhesion issues there as well, especially if the piece sees a lot of natural light.
@suzannehalesuzzz4895
@suzannehalesuzzz4895 7 жыл бұрын
thank you soo much
@carlzalewski5294
@carlzalewski5294 6 жыл бұрын
Cinder Block Studios 1
@sonasingh4033
@sonasingh4033 5 жыл бұрын
how about adding marble filler
@sonasingh4033
@sonasingh4033 5 жыл бұрын
marble dust powder I mean
@Higherup1018
@Higherup1018 3 жыл бұрын
I saw your shirt! ❤️ From Wild and Wonderful West Virginia
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 3 жыл бұрын
Technically it's "from" PA. Old mission trip shirt.
@Higherup1018
@Higherup1018 3 жыл бұрын
@@cinderblockstudios I could only make out the West Virginia part. My husband will like that. He's from Phillipsburg, PA but they have lived in West Virginia most of his life. Which is an odd thing because most people leave West Virginia to go to other states. LOL.
@Higherup1018
@Higherup1018 3 жыл бұрын
@@cinderblockstudios just curious have you ever used one compound and added plaster of Paris? That stuff gets harder than a rock. I thought I could trim it but I think I needed a concrete chisel. 😁
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 3 жыл бұрын
@@Higherup1018 I haven't but when I prepped my wall mural I mixed it with some gesso for a decent resulting ground.
@Higherup1018
@Higherup1018 3 жыл бұрын
@@cinderblockstudios Niceand since you seem very knowledgeable and will answer questions. 😁 Have you had any experience with assemblage art? I want to put some objects on wood with texture around it. Maybe a version of Starry Nights. I think I may have to screw two things on since they are little heavy. But my question is can I use plywood or should I get MDF board then can I seal it using gesso rather than varnish or something that will take me another month for it to dry? And if you don't have time to answer me or don't know that's okay. Wearing the West Virginia shirt got me. LOL
@bonniegarson80
@bonniegarson80 Жыл бұрын
What’s the difference between joint compound and plaster?
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios Жыл бұрын
Plaster is more traditionally used to cover large areas and create wall texture (though it can be known to be more fragile), while joint compound is more for filling small areas. From an art standpoint I can't speak on any advantages or disadvantages with plaster as I've never used it to do anything beyond make molds
@good__enough
@good__enough 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@fishingforgolfballs
@fishingforgolfballs 5 жыл бұрын
Don't' think I would be trying to scrape an art piece like you are. ...And many layers of acrylic paint over the joint compound will render it stronger and dust free. Varnish adds extra protection and durability as well.
@grahamshere
@grahamshere 5 жыл бұрын
Try adding white glue to the joint compound, makes it smoother and more durable.
@fishingforgolfballs
@fishingforgolfballs 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip, I'll try it.
@marijawozniak5830
@marijawozniak5830 6 жыл бұрын
mixing my own home made modeling paste from early 1960s :)
@jaysonbelmoro6429
@jaysonbelmoro6429 6 жыл бұрын
Marija Wozniak , can you teach me the recipe? pls...
@evarene07
@evarene07 5 жыл бұрын
Woke great in mow media work, stencils,
@CSparzo
@CSparzo 5 жыл бұрын
Definitive answer = maybe?
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah pretty much
@shitheadjohnson2797
@shitheadjohnson2797 2 жыл бұрын
can you cast a sculpture with it?
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't try that for either of these things. If you're looking to cast and mold use plaster
@shitheadjohnson2797
@shitheadjohnson2797 2 жыл бұрын
@@cinderblockstudios why is that, isnt it actually plaster anyway? (water soluble plastic + chalk?)
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 2 жыл бұрын
@@shitheadjohnson2797 the JC might be plaster based to some degree, but it's not designed for casting. It cracks WAY easier and has issues with mold in the long run if not painted. A bag of dry plaster has a much longer shelf life and will dry more evenly. Granted I can't say with 100% certainly though since I haven't tried it myself.
@edeaglehouse2221
@edeaglehouse2221 Жыл бұрын
Plaster cures through a chemical reaction, much like cement does. Joint compound dries. The main ingredient is calcium based, but in the joint compound, it's only a bulking agent used to fill gaps or provide a smooth surface for painting. Dried joint compound is soft and neither strong nor durable and will flake or fall off unless protected with something like paint.
@Shahmeer36420
@Shahmeer36420 Жыл бұрын
I use joint compond for outline on my hardboard but it breaks? Why
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios Жыл бұрын
it's not designed for anything but to be spread on a wall and painted over. I imagine your hardboard is a bit too smooth for it to stick to by itself
@Shahmeer36420
@Shahmeer36420 Жыл бұрын
@@cinderblockstudios yes hardboard was smoth from one side but if tht was issue ... Thn how can i do ur texture mandala? On hard board? Is there any base? Which i apply ist?
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios Жыл бұрын
Try a 1:1 mix with gesso
@ksmithkatcarving
@ksmithkatcarving 5 жыл бұрын
In conversation is totally wrong we deal with mortar in the brick outside the mortar depending on the type does seal up solid but like anything if you hit it with a hammer it's going to break, why would you take an art picture and hit it with a hammer to see if it's going to break duh and taking joint compound and doing artwork has made it so artist can afford their medium, someone figured this out took joint compound added a little acrylic mixture put it in a small jar Walla to get 20 bucks a pop don't be naive you can use joint compound you can smooth it with a brush and water or even when you're done you can sand it lightly I smooth it with brush and water-oh, it's wonderful to work with on canvas don't get it too heavy because you're thin out the compound and then it will crack
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 5 жыл бұрын
2 years after making this video and I can say a big downside to the joint compound...mold! Molding paste (despite the name) isn't going to go bad in 2 years time.
@alexisgraffice2495
@alexisgraffice2495 5 жыл бұрын
Cinder Block Studios do you mean mold in the bucket of material or mold on the artwork on the canvas/board? I’m an art student and I’ve been drawing on Hardboard with joint-compound primed with house paint for a few years now and I’m trying to decide if I should continue to do this before I get too deep into a series. I absolutely love the textured look of the joint-compound and I would ideally like to stick to it but I want my work to be archival. The only other material I’ve tried has been artist ceramic stucco mixed with gesso and it’s just not good.
@alexisgraffice2495
@alexisgraffice2495 5 жыл бұрын
Cinder Block Studios I don’t mind if JC molds quickly in the container, but I’m worried about everything else
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 5 жыл бұрын
It's mold in the bucket, due to issues with moisture. Once it's dry it doesn't matter as much.
@edeaglehouse2221
@edeaglehouse2221 Жыл бұрын
That's just bad information. Joint compound can be damaged just by pressing a finger into it. Modeling paste is far more durable.
@annauriel259
@annauriel259 22 күн бұрын
As a homeowner, art teacher, and artist - if that is the conclusion what does that say about our walls?! And no one should be trying to damage artwork with texture!
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 22 күн бұрын
Not sure what you mean. Not only is joint compound a staple in modern home and commercial buildings for patches and filling cracks in walls, but as an artist texture is one of the basic elements of design which exists in most if not all media.
@PeterFisher
@PeterFisher Жыл бұрын
Mix some PVA with it, It makes it less inclined to powder and makes it smoother. No, it may not last a 1000 years, but I'll settle for 995.
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios Жыл бұрын
For the price of the pva and the compound, you might as well just get the paste
@ameeramohamad9242
@ameeramohamad9242 3 жыл бұрын
Could you help me how can mettalic it
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure what you mean
@ameeramohamad9242
@ameeramohamad9242 3 жыл бұрын
If i want make mettalic paste how ??
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 3 жыл бұрын
Uh...perhaps with some iridescent acrylic mixed in. Personally I'd use anything metallic as a finishing layer to a piece rather than mixed with a paste.
@edeaglehouse2221
@edeaglehouse2221 Жыл бұрын
Colored mica powders as an additive.
@dovespaligrino8312
@dovespaligrino8312 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry, you are WRONG! I cover mine with gesso. After that it acceptes acrylic paint...And any other toppings I add.♥️
@irmalybrackin4048
@irmalybrackin4048 2 ай бұрын
I found that joint compound cracks..its not smooth.
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios Ай бұрын
it also molds
@LaReynaLagarto
@LaReynaLagarto 5 жыл бұрын
Definitely (pause)..... maybe hahaha ha definitely waiting for an answer hahahahaha
@arturojimenez7087
@arturojimenez7087 Жыл бұрын
Why do people talk about longevity issues when they have no way to experiment such issues on joint compound. What do you do, wait twenty years and see what the results are? If you leave the joint compound by itself and it turns into powder when scratched, what happens if you add such things as PVS glue, acrylic paint and even some type of sealant? Anselm Kiefer uses dry twigs and straw for his work, for Christ's sake...
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios Жыл бұрын
While one likely won't do a 20 year canvas test, similar applications on home diy projects can certainly be used as a baseline. Granted my comparison is just a general rule of thumb, and not necessarily an absolute. If you find ways to use cheaper materials for your work, more power to you.
@jakeqwaninne8502
@jakeqwaninne8502 4 жыл бұрын
i would imagine , if your on a budget, that if you clear coated the final product, it would work out , but if you are selling the product, that's kinda left handed and dishonest
@simonac688.
@simonac688. 4 жыл бұрын
Very interresting point there ...but if you learn to master mixtures plaster will do the job most of the time in less your a rich Artist or have specifics to respect.... and enjoy keeping your money in your pocket...i hope i wont get Plastered for this comment...:)
@jerikarason2339
@jerikarason2339 6 жыл бұрын
joint compound will crack if you use on canvas as the canvas has flex in it.. If you use on a board surface it will do fine.
@ksmithkatcarving
@ksmithkatcarving 5 жыл бұрын
No it doesn't crack on canvas I have pictures years old
@jakeqwaninne8502
@jakeqwaninne8502 4 жыл бұрын
by the way, acrylic never really cures, it just dries
@cinderblockstudios
@cinderblockstudios 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure about the validity of that statement.
@jakeqwaninne8502
@jakeqwaninne8502 4 жыл бұрын
@@cinderblockstudios epoxies cure, rtv's cure, i'm pretty sure you have to add something to it ,to make it cure, i had the dupont paint class a million years ago(i paint cars), so i could be wrong, but that was the way i remember to to seperate them from a classroom point of view
@jakeqwaninne8502
@jakeqwaninne8502 4 жыл бұрын
@@cinderblockstudios now i have to go look it up
@edeaglehouse2221
@edeaglehouse2221 Жыл бұрын
Splitting hairs. Once acrylic "dries" the polymer chains link up and you can't reconstitute it with water. It is more akin to curing.
@vesna9978
@vesna9978 9 ай бұрын
Thanks
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