Dave Rat of Rat Sound chats about using the Powersoft M-Force driver technology in his design for the Dave Rat 'SuperSub professional sound reinforcement subwoofers recently employed at the 2018 Coachella Festival.
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@asole1004 жыл бұрын
My mans over here looking like a futuristic cowboy, and sounds like he's talking about building some crazy spaceship powered by sound.
@MrStradia4 жыл бұрын
Thought for sure he would be Australian before I heard him speak. I was wrong.
@andrewjmyers4 жыл бұрын
Asole ❶⓿⓿ acid is a hell of a drug.
@andrewhigdon83464 жыл бұрын
Andrew Myers I can identify with that remark. Wait, is this Andy Meyers out of Florida? Used to mix Sevendust? I’m from Charleston, and we have worked together many times since maybe 1995. If so let me know. It you knew me s compliment should hit you hard-you made a very positive and constructive influence on me the few times we worked together. I own a small rock and roll sound company here, and have been the house engineer at several of the venues around town for almost 25 years. If this is Sevendust Meyer, big ups to you. If not, acid is a hell of a drug.
@TheRealJohnHooper4 жыл бұрын
And his website looks like old school 90s :D
@Ole_CornPop4 жыл бұрын
@@andrewhigdon8346 Chucktown fam. Wattap
@redvivid6 жыл бұрын
The way he explains sound shows why he's great. His dedication and enthusiasm is so genuine. I wish he continued his KZfaq channel.
@JasperSchwinghammer4 жыл бұрын
And your wish shall be granted :)
@andrewhigdon83464 жыл бұрын
I used to get hired for a surf film festival because I promised they would feel the crashing waves as if they were in it. And they did. It was outside, maybe 1 acre, maybe 300 people, but dispersed coverage with a few delays, and the subs did the job. But that was thee years ago and I have been obsessed with steering subs for about 18 months. I wish I could do that with my current knowledge and really try to replicate nature. I’ve been at this mixing bands looking for that chest imploding kick for 25 years and thought I was at the top of my game. Wrong. There are some compromises, but actually less compromises than with the old conventional sub setup. We all just got used to the pattern, without realizing there was a pattern. Many years ago I did some outdoor gigs but in the middle of downtown Charleston. I lined up all my subs across the front of the stage. Played some Massive Attack. Ladies 1/2 block away (this was an art festival) came running up complaining that their paintings were falling off their easels. I asked what that had to do with me. I mean, they didn’t sound outrageous on site. It was weird. Sure enough, I had my assist stay on the Phone while I walked WAY back away from the stage, far away from where any audience would be, and I honestly at the time couldn’t really tell what was different even as I was standing next to the paintings. Had my man play “Pray for Rain”, and I asked him to push it a bit, wait and listen, then more. Well as it turns out, the opening notes D(72hz)A(@54hz), G(@48hz) resonated like crazy up the center. The subs focused narrowly instead of wide. Adding subs width wise actually narrowed the pattern. Now I see the light. But you do get some odd phenomena on stage if you get the rear lobe wrong. What would otherwise be obvious acoustic guitar or Tom ringing, feeding back at low frequencies, will make you nuts. I high passed the vocals more, from 160hz up to over 200hz, and it thinned the vocals too much. Same with the acoustic guitars. I had the toms gated tight tight. Some weird shit. Got rid of it but the mix suffered. Who knew we could steer subs. Now I’m doing it home, such that in my room-over-the-garage I have two very old double 12” Peavey downfiring, non-ported, subs. Both facing forward, as Ratt swears that you shouldn’t have to have speakers fighting each other, even though that is actually what is happening at some frequencies and at certain positions you can hear it, and I wonder if that was the cause of the 90-200hz ringing. If you stand just to the side of a near dead on but not quite sub array, youlll feel like you’re getting pushed back and forth in the same position, kind of like and undertow in waist deep water. The lower current is trying to pull your feet away while the upper current is trying to take your torso elsewhere, hence undertow drownings. Waves are a hell of a drug, and I’m super high on them now. I also notice how my lighting “arrays” made a narrower pattern. I got some LED strips about 40” long each hoping to wash the stage. Wrong. The ultimate reality is that some, no ALL waves, depending on harmonic relationships, distance, gaseous flow, and fundamental frequency, can sum or cancel each other. I used to have a 16 cab EAW KF850 rig. 4 over 4 aside. This one Scandinavian guy comes in and explains to myself and my crew how we could UNPLUG the outer cabs and get wider coverage. It’s all because that 12” at that frequency at that distance away from another source is making the exact same frequency at the exact same amplitude at the exact same time, BUT, NOT at the exact same time most of the places where you could stand and hear them. Which in turn cancels certain frequencies at certain distances away depending on where you stand laterally also. Too much. Guess what? Vertical line arrays have been abused and compounded the problem in the linear distance field. Get it just a hair off, even perfect. and there will be tonal compromises depending on where you stand, which is supposed to be the opposite of how a line array is used. Sorry I’m out. Sorry I mentioned 12” in the KF850 reference but there is no 12”. Only 10” mid horn loaded and 15” behind the horn, also horn loaded. The 15” is also partially baffled. Which is baffling. Nowadays I understand why, but Kenton Forsythe is truly a genius.
@Sool1014 жыл бұрын
Loved that. Thanks
@dianjellorafiki52434 жыл бұрын
i totally understand wearing goggles, no dust off the ground in your eyes
@hueroski4 жыл бұрын
He wears them to sleep too.
@BuildYourOwnBass4 жыл бұрын
He's wearing the pirate hat because he's the Captain
@the_fifth_wheel4 жыл бұрын
He looks like a dick, neck up. Somehow he gets away with it, nothing to do with the technical jargon......honest.
@the_fifth_wheel4 жыл бұрын
hueroski just in case of the dust?
@kronk3583 жыл бұрын
Working a festival anywhere near a gravel parking lot or gravel road has you picking black boogers for days. I never thought about it getting in your eyes till i saw this.
@djsantiago95232 жыл бұрын
I’m a new fan of Mr.Rat, as a mobile DJ I’m always fascinated to have spectacular sound on the dance floor. This guy definitely has a passion for sound. Respect to the 🐀 ✊🏽
@andyrechenberg4 жыл бұрын
People like Dave who dive deep into their craft always bring push the limits. Great video! Thanks.
@skandral13394 жыл бұрын
gotta get myself some bass goggles!
@MasterDJRenn4 жыл бұрын
LMAO.
@Wayne_Robinson4 жыл бұрын
Dave Rat has lots of interesting content on his own YT channel where he demonstrates all kinds of live sound principles and techniques.
@cryptout4 жыл бұрын
And here I am trying to get my 2.1 home studio speakers tuned properly to my room...
@evildeebee2 жыл бұрын
"Bring less get louder." Genius!
@faraitheprod5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, so much info every time he speaks. Great audio quality btw!
@tontek4 жыл бұрын
Dave Rat is a legend.
@laszlosokolai28582 жыл бұрын
This guys a fucking genius. Here I am building subwoofers in my basement using conventional drivers compound loaded using stacks of crown 500x's (5000's and 5002's) to try and achieve the same thing. Thermal compression will forever be a problem. As the venue goes on for hours and days, voice coil drivers suck.
@skandahle13 сағат бұрын
Well, while Dave is a genius in his own right, in this case we should hype Claudio Lastrucci of Powersoft who designed the linear motor concept.
@annekedebruyn77974 жыл бұрын
My boi finally went digital. Proud of ya
@cremefresh14 жыл бұрын
hahahaaha! love me xl2 till death
@soundfreak88923 жыл бұрын
Still gotta love analog
@MindzEyee4 жыл бұрын
i would love to go to a virtual riot show with these bad bois!
@Rmealue96gmail Жыл бұрын
Excisons pks are pretty heavy
@artysanmobile4 жыл бұрын
These speakers do not use a voice coil and cone but instead a servo-driven DC motor. I remember someone else doing this 30-ish years ago but can’t remember who.
@Dimarya2763 жыл бұрын
That was Tom Danley with Servodrive.
@loud_n_lowtaco2002 жыл бұрын
And Acoustic also did it with the SBT 2.6
@TheCourtsofChaos4 жыл бұрын
this man is a unsung hero....
@CDJF12 ай бұрын
In 1974 MGM and Cerwin Vega teamed up to create Sensurround sound. Sub woofers that could hit up to 130db's between 16hz & 32hz. I saw earthquake in a theater with that system and have never felt bass like that since.
@Dragon-Slay3r Жыл бұрын
Rat sub is leaving wave rly because it has a light tiny curl on its back but I thought that back was a lockness then became a E squid mouth Is this why the swift darted it and left aswel?
@onetimepeace4 жыл бұрын
Awesome I love audio!
@bigloxxito2 жыл бұрын
This guy is a legend !
@GuiSchwertner Жыл бұрын
What a humble legend!
@thoughtlesshead5 жыл бұрын
I love this guy
@Bobby_Uterus4 жыл бұрын
The man himself! Take notes fellow mortals.
@johannjohann65233 ай бұрын
I'm liking that idea subwoofers going below 30 Hz. It's definitely the bass drum "beat" that gets the booty shaking. And those low frequency bass signals that pass through your body that feel oh so good. Music should be felt, not just heard! lol.
@NikolaiBeier4 жыл бұрын
Is that model of subwoofer also called "Super Duper Sub" "SDS30" and "SuperSub"? (Not much info on ratsound.com) More text about SDS30: www.lightsoundjournal.com/2018/06/16/m-force-and-rat-sounds-supersub-at-coachella-2018/ Photo + links at www.audiomeasurements.com/?p=5540
@changedahanddlessss4 жыл бұрын
isnt that the red hot chillie peppers dude?
@skandahle4 жыл бұрын
Yup.
@JacobWildrick4 жыл бұрын
I want to be his apprentice
@TheJustinSokoloski4 жыл бұрын
This guy looks like he got his outfit from Binco discount store.
@abielpangga63144 жыл бұрын
I didnt go there but from youtube videos i hear through youtube (the supersubs are insanity)
@RodFarva4 жыл бұрын
Love the WW2 era fighter pilot goggles.
@PapaWheelie14 жыл бұрын
“Low frequency is the key to connecting the band to the audience” That’s what we tell our bass player in my band. But we really unplug his amp before the show so we don’t have to listen to his wrong notes. He is really just there to do hair flips and look cool.
@classix21324 жыл бұрын
So your bass player is on FOh not on the amp
@adriangreenbaum33772 жыл бұрын
Are these the powersoft subs?
@MrBonger884 жыл бұрын
All this talk about Super-Subs is making me hungry
@josefbuckland4 жыл бұрын
Dave is the Alice Cooper of the Sound world his advice has steered me right does anyone know if the SUPER DUPER SUBWOOFERS were used at Coachella 2020?
@Dragon-Slay3r Жыл бұрын
Your stuck in the middle 😂 we need to join the moon as it's split 😭
@jasonneal4 жыл бұрын
That’s funny, I’ve seen some guys that compete professionally in car audio we’re making enclosures like this 15 years ago.
@blairwilliams1362 жыл бұрын
The "bread van" that had that giant sub that took up the entire diameter of the box used a servo drive iirc.
@florenceflavien39702 жыл бұрын
great system
@KayZee19574 жыл бұрын
I don't know about lower. The Bag End ELF subs (supposedly) went down to 8 hz. The really old movie "Earthquake" was shown in "premiums" theaters with rows of Cervin Vega subs passing, IIRC about 12 hz.
@cameronproaudio3 жыл бұрын
Yes, they may go down that low, but they have a significant drop-off in SPL and large jump in THD. These don't.
@ke6gwf6 ай бұрын
I had Bag End ELF subs at a past facility, and they were very fun to play with, but no where near the kind of volumes Dave would be needing to get for giant arenas. I could shake the concrete floor in my facility, but only near the subs lol
@johannjohann65233 ай бұрын
Dave is a man after my own heart. "Hearing the same song but better than it has sounded before. I've never heard anything like that." I like he always is pushing the envelope of "sound" and frequency. Tesla: "If you wish to learn the mysteries of the Universe think fist in terms of Frequency, Vibration, and Energy. Frequency is the key to many things beyond music. Especially what is known as Resonant Frequency. As everything has a resonant frequency, and applying the objects resonant frequency to itself will cause that object to disintegrate. Think how that could and should be used in treating disease without hurting the good cells in a body because they would have a different resonant frequency and would not suffer any damage. This is how ancient healers actually "healed" people. Through frequency and sound in ancient times. Music is healthy for you. And is the only way to stimulate the soul.
@SoundBarrierEntertainment4 жыл бұрын
Who did he work with for amplifier design, lab gruppen, powersoft ,crown
@weareallbeingwatched46024 жыл бұрын
L-acoustic also do powered controllers dude.
@SoundBarrierEntertainment4 жыл бұрын
@@weareallbeingwatched4602 great ..
@JasperSchwinghammer4 жыл бұрын
@@weareallbeingwatched4602 I would not expect the baguettes to supply amps for another companies product
@kaedeschulz54224 жыл бұрын
These M Force things have their own amp by factory as far as i know.
@FOH36634 жыл бұрын
Likely Powersoft, last I heard. That said, Dave Rat ought to hook up w/SpeakerPower, ... Southern California's own Subwoofer Amplifier manufacturer. Designed, and built in the US. There are more sophisticated amplifiers, like the Powersoft, whereby they have microprocessor monitoring of mains power, load impedance, damping etc, and every conceivable parameter for that matter. But the SpeakerPower offerings also have powerful DSP, but most importantly, ... measurably they can output sustained and burst power capabilities that are second to none. just sayin', they connect the artist to the attendees too🤟
@jeremys83604 жыл бұрын
This dude is so high I can’t even see him
@Terra1014 жыл бұрын
Looks completely sober.
@Terra1014 жыл бұрын
Talking to me?
@HeyZeus0964 жыл бұрын
TBH if you watch any of his videos, he's like this all the time. The glasses hat combo makes him seem like he's blasted though not gonna lie
@officermorris97325 жыл бұрын
I love rat
@joebecks68852 жыл бұрын
Nice video... please is there a way I can contact Dave Rat directly..... it's very important
@danielshade7102 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad shows these days are above 110db. All this tech sounds great with bleeding ears
@dinguslopper Жыл бұрын
Earplugs ya boy
@JacobWildrick4 жыл бұрын
My hero
@kaedeschulz54224 жыл бұрын
I would like to hear em som day but probably to far away from Germany... That Gran Turismo 5 intro music.
@sporqist4 жыл бұрын
Geh einfach zu irgendeinem technoiden Festival hier. Die Nature one ist n ganz guter Anfang ;)
@kaedeschulz54224 жыл бұрын
@@sporqist Is das nich eher so Hardstyle und Goa was da läuft?
@sporqist4 жыл бұрын
@@kaedeschulz5422 Das war nur n kleines Beispiel falls du guten Sound suchst. Du kannst auch Mal bei mothergrid auf KZfaq suchen. Die machen foh Videos für n Haufen Festivals in de
@kaedeschulz54224 жыл бұрын
@@sporqist Videos wegen dem sound einer Anlage schauen macht nicht so sinn. Das ist in dem Fall als würde man eine explosion mit einem Bluetooth Lautsprecher für unterwegs darstellen wollen xd. Ich hab zwar einen kräftigen 15er Zuhause stehen aber das hier is nochma ne ganz andere Hausnummer.
@sporqist4 жыл бұрын
@@kaedeschulz5422 Dass man eine andere Anlage nicht über ein Video "probehören" kann ist mir schon bewusst 😂 Ich wollte dich lediglich darauf hinweisen, dass es n deutschen yt Channel gibt, der Videos wie dieses über Festivalanlagen macht
@hugosantos14762 жыл бұрын
You solve one problem three other appear.
@mr.lollypops4 жыл бұрын
Is he sitting on a horse? Stop image stabilization 😂
@anthonyvillanueva45004 жыл бұрын
wow idol
@hueroski4 жыл бұрын
who's manz is this?
@djpalace46715 жыл бұрын
Coachella stages of rat sound by dj palace
@guitarz994 жыл бұрын
cool goggles dave, you riding in a motorcycle side car i take it?
@bingdong85719 ай бұрын
That dudes in charge? I hope he spent as much time on the sound as he did his image.
@davidherbert96013 жыл бұрын
BBC test card Carole Hersee and her doll at 1:09
@jimbeaux49884 жыл бұрын
300 by 300 is the size of a walmart.
@dunc714 жыл бұрын
MM, inches, centimetres, feet, meters, yards, kilometres, miles??? Please elaborate
@jimbeaux49884 жыл бұрын
@@dunc71 feet, like Dave mentions in the video
@TempoDrift14804 жыл бұрын
@@dunc71 Feets
@saxmidiman4 жыл бұрын
Whammo Air Blaster? 🤣😎
@Timetofly88883 жыл бұрын
Was he expecting a Sand Storm to suddenly hit or something ??
@ImOzify2 жыл бұрын
Have you been to Coachella?
@Timetofly88882 жыл бұрын
@@ImOzify lol .. yes , many times ....that's the joke. 🤦♂️
@BDMagick4 жыл бұрын
Bose Arenamatch FTW
@Campbell1.4 жыл бұрын
why is he wearing safety goggles ???????
@kajem5753 жыл бұрын
For safety. Duh.
@neroignatiusrosewater Жыл бұрын
Because he can.
@Campbell1. Жыл бұрын
@@kajem575 against what.......Duh. got a brain fella
@kajem575 Жыл бұрын
@@Campbell1. Against blowing sand moron. He's working the COACHELLA FESTIVAL located in the COLORADO DESERT. DUH,DUH AND DUH. Tell me again;who is the one that needs to "got" a brain?
@ke6gwf6 ай бұрын
@@Campbell1.That festival is out in the desert, and when the wind picks up you get sand storms, so they have a practical purpose lol
@VWGTI20134 жыл бұрын
I like JBL
@spadespadespade4 жыл бұрын
VWGTI really hard to mix
@VWGTI20134 жыл бұрын
@@spadespadespade you gotta have compressors on everything with JBLs
@kaedeschulz54224 жыл бұрын
JBL is expensive compared to what they give you. I rather build my own loudspeakers with 18sound driver's for example.
@VWGTI20134 жыл бұрын
@@kaedeschulz5422There's a reason why they're expensive though. Well worth the price.
@kaedeschulz54224 жыл бұрын
@@VWGTI2013 When i compare them to subs i can build by myself or what other companys do they aren't. For example if i build a Sub with this driver www.thomann.de/de/the_box_speaker_185008a.htm i have something that is Cheap and still very good. The budget JBL speaker seem to be ok for the money but the expensive ones are just so expensive compared to what you get. If you build your own speakers like i do and see how expensive they are compared to what you could make for way less it blows your mind! I've never seen JBL being used by local sound guys here.
@idontlikemonkeys4 жыл бұрын
pied piper hat.. watch out fr your kids.... rat sounds... get it
@keeferdog56174 жыл бұрын
“SUPER-SUB” now THAT’S what “I’m talking about”....dude you need your own KZfaq channel. Although, you realize, there was ZERO input, talking about the “midrange”. Guess you’re, “ALL ABOUT THAT BASS”
@kaedeschulz54224 жыл бұрын
This video is about the subs... So off course he is talking about the subs mostly.
@orto63564 жыл бұрын
he has a channel. search up dave rat.
@scamtoons4 жыл бұрын
Super sub super sub super sub super sub. Rat likes his super sub Did I say super sub.
@witalit4 жыл бұрын
What the hell is this guy talking about?
@FOH36634 жыл бұрын
... bring less, get louder had to wait 'till the last sentence of the 10min video, but that sums it up
@aagomez3135 жыл бұрын
Why are they having so many sound issues in Coachella? Why isn't ATK audio not doing Coachella?
@michaelmontgomery27255 жыл бұрын
Hahah funny
@dylandylan117314 жыл бұрын
Idiot
@organikness4 жыл бұрын
Beats by Dre FTW
@Jerimboplaysgames4 жыл бұрын
its a shame coachella doesn't play any good music to really test that soundsystem
@gabbajon56543 жыл бұрын
It's a shame they play such shit music through that lovely system
@kennethschultz64654 жыл бұрын
BOSE WAVE CANNON ... well 140.Db at 15Hz What's not to like (In my set up) I build 4 replica "" cannons "" for a club in Aalborg ..!! Deadmou5e did his after party at that club !! They phoned to get the ""db limiter remooved "" well i went in and removed IT .. he then played 9hrs We had som interesting talks about Sound .. espesialy talks of bass and ""hair raisin effeckt .. as goin to churtch with a huge organ and they push the deeep pipe !!! You can't heare IT but you get a religius aaahmen experiance whennyou feel the loooow looow""
@c319798394 жыл бұрын
Why does he keep saying cycles? The industry accepted term is hertz.
@johnny35834 жыл бұрын
Because he's old school
@ElMoShApPiNeSs4 жыл бұрын
You understood what he was talking about so it's clearly not a problem.
@HunterShawMusic4 жыл бұрын
“The industry accepted term...” Dave Rat IS the industry.
@dunc714 жыл бұрын
He can say what the fuck he wants. Hertz, cycles same thing.... Fuck the industry!
@Un0ification4 жыл бұрын
Lol, my man, It's the same thing. It's like saying floor and ground.
@OK-st9st4 жыл бұрын
I don’t like the terminology of “super subwoofer. Look at spl walls. And this is a super subwoofer?
@OK-st9st4 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gLFxaNt7mrzXen0.html
@OK-st9st4 жыл бұрын
Legit screams. And this isn’t even called a “super subwoofer” XD
@yonut74 жыл бұрын
L acoustic subs are for sure shit compared to m sub L acoustic subs don't sound good they lack impact heard them. Don't know why they are using l acoustic shit systems this guys can afford anything.
@soundfreak88923 жыл бұрын
Lol you are clearly a noob pal! You probably didn't understand one thing Dave rat said. And also it would be wonderful if you could afford better grammar my friend!
@yonut73 жыл бұрын
@@soundfreak8892 take this 🖕🖕
@soundfreak88923 жыл бұрын
@@yonut7 🤣🤣🤣🥱🥱🥱
@soundfreak88923 жыл бұрын
@@yonut7 You are comparing apples to oranges you idiot, if you pay attention to the video he says that the super sub is great for punchy sound, but when it comes to low end that has a lot of sustain the mforce lacks in that, because it wasn't designed to do that, you want that type of sound you would go with a dual 18 or dual 21. It's funny how you call lacoustics shit when it's used all over the world by top engineers such as Dave rat and many others. Everyone has a taste of sound but saying that lacoustics is shit is just a super noobish thing to say
@yonut73 жыл бұрын
@@soundfreak8892 i heard many l'acoustic gigs and i didn't like the sound it's shit they do the job but don't impress with nothing which other brands do impress D&B audiotechnik it's the last system heard that impressed me for example , so what i suppose to say that sound great they are great if i didn't like them ? i'm just saying what i heard ...