Using Topical Caffeine to Slow or Halt Hair Loss

Using Topical Caffeine to Slow or Halt Hair Loss | Dr. Andrew Huberman

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8 ай бұрын

Dr. Andrew Huberman discusses the role of topical caffeine in hair loss treatment.
Dr. Andrew Huberman is a tenured professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford University School of Medicine and host of the Huberman Lab podcast.
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@HubermanLabClips 8 ай бұрын

This clip is from the Huberman Lab episode "The Science of Healthy Hair, Hair Loss and How to Regrow Hair." The full episode can be found on KZfaq here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bMCin9aH3Z6ZlZ8.html

@PabloIzurieta 8 ай бұрын

So topical caffeine. Will a caffeine shampoo, which you wash away after a minute, do the trick?

@barneyadams9869 8 ай бұрын

I have a friend who worked in a factory that made shaving gel. He once told me that one of the ingredients was caffeine...... make of that what you will.

@yousef-eq8zw Ай бұрын

That's hilarious use our shaving cream which will grow your facial hair and use our razor's to shave it

@kavankomer3048 2 күн бұрын

Wrong. Dht which caffeine is supposed to stop, causes beard growth, but stops head hair

@hewhoisg 8 ай бұрын

I blend organic olive and coconut oil, mixed with matcha, finely ground yerba mate, esspresso, etc and use it in my hair. The pigment also blends my grey. Not that I wanted that, just an observation. Granted I do not wash my hair in an effort to create a healthy, well fed skin and scalp biome. Happy exploring!

@ConsciousGizmo 8 ай бұрын

LASER 🥵

@onishomar489 8 ай бұрын

I have been derma rolling + caffeine ointment and have had new hair growth. I am in my twenties however, and started because of my maturing hairline.

@heidivonskye4627 8 ай бұрын

What strength do you use? Where do you get it?

@onishomar489 7 ай бұрын

@@heidivonskye4627 Briogeo Destined For Density MegaStrength + Caffeine + Biotin Peptide Density Serum, Increases Hair Thickness and Density, Fast-Absorbing & Non-Greasy, Vegan, Phalate & Paraben-Free

@adarshreddy6674 5 ай бұрын

Bro what's the concentration of caffiene ointment ? Plz reply

@onishomar489 5 ай бұрын

it doesnt say, i just know it has caffeine

@ironbulls4229 4 ай бұрын

What kind of coffee are you using? And is it as paste , liquid or scrub?

@aaronbritt1886 2 ай бұрын

What I am doing is taking liquid caffeine and mixing it with minoxidil. I use that mixture 1 time a day and use minoxidil without caffeine the 2nd time for the day. I'm still test it, so we'll see how it goes.

@Cenpojap 8 ай бұрын

Dr you are amazing

@ingaz6565 8 ай бұрын

Gonna start rubbing starbucks vanilla frapes on my head.

@user-to1zc6zj6x 2 ай бұрын

😂 I know right!

@nefretiri69 14 күн бұрын

😂😂😂

@christoserfontein4621 8 ай бұрын

Please do video on Latanoprost for hair loss🙏🏻

@Sky10811 8 ай бұрын

what r recommended caffein serums? not greasy on hair

@FerretloveUK 8 ай бұрын

I've recently started using a caffeine shampoo, just to try it. Definitely loosing less hair when I'm washing it and also less day to day. Quite surprised by it. I'm in my early 50's.

@FerretloveUK 8 ай бұрын

@nickc8978 only a week or two. The effect was very noticeable very quickly. And I'm using a cheap caffeine shampoo, not a well known brand.

@BM8C7 8 ай бұрын

Do you use the alpecin shampoo one? Have heard it has terrible ingredients overall

@FerretloveUK 8 ай бұрын

@@BM8C7 no, not Alpecin. It's a cheap shampoo made in one of the Eastern European countries. I believe all regular shampoos have similar ingredients though. Just had a look at Alpecin ingredients and it's not the worst list of ingredients I have read.

@Sky10811 8 ай бұрын

@@FerretloveUK what the brand of champoo pls?

@FerretloveUK 8 ай бұрын

@@Sky10811 Triple eight brand. Northern Marketing. Made in Poland for a British company. I don't know where you're from but if you're in the UK, I got the shampoo from B&M.

@karimbenali9053 Ай бұрын

Hi everyone! Dr. Huberman mentions the benefits of caffeine topicals for hair regrowth, but I get lost with all the products out there. Which ones are truly effective? Also, does anyone recommend a particular method for applying caffeine to the scalp (e.g., using coffee grounds in the shower)? Thanks!

@alphamale3141 2 ай бұрын

I use caffeine shampoo every other day and take a saw palmetto supplement every night. I do think that it helps maintain a full head of hair. However, I would not rule out wishful thinking on my part. I’ll be 77 in a few months.

@stevenobinator2229 14 күн бұрын

which type do you use? shampoo

@knut124andre Ай бұрын

can one use coffee directly or does it have to be in a cream or something :)

@MilaDiamond 8 ай бұрын

To answer your question, Andrew: I’ve been using minoxidil 5% liquid on my scalp daily for about two years. Within a week my hair stopped falling out. My hair used to fill up a shower drain every day, but now I only lose a few strands after each wash. My hair look much fuller now than 2 years ago. I don’t experience any side effects. I’m a female. The only draw back - it gets expensive. Thanks for your podcasts Andrew! Love them!!! 🙏❤️

@saketravuri8496 8 ай бұрын

make a trip to third country like India etc for vacation and load up on your supply at dirt cheap prices .

@abdulmoeez4294 8 ай бұрын

Losing that much is pretty normal ig. We lose and regrow hundreds of hairs daily. You can google about that

@Sky10811 8 ай бұрын

what r ur tops and tricks to apply minoxidil without 1) touching the face/ears 2) not have that dirty hair effect?

@cordyone 8 ай бұрын

It used to be expensive, but there are other brands now, eg Kirkland, that are reasonable price and available amazon or eBay etc

@Sky10811 8 ай бұрын

@@cordyone in Europe Minixidil 5% is 20 euro for 120 ml bottle

@JfaJosephR9 8 ай бұрын

My experience with minoxidil is different because I have used it to grow a beard. I had a baby face starting out with just a very light goattee and since being on minoxidil for over a year now I have grown much more facial hair than I was ever able to before. Still not a full beard but much thicker and more hair on my beard than before starting

@r0btech 17 күн бұрын

I use Alpecin caffeine shampoo from Germany, it has helped a lot.

@nefretiri69 14 күн бұрын

Where can I order this

@g9icy 8 ай бұрын

Minoxidil has regrown the hair at the peak of my head, but has done nothing for the crown of my head where I really would like to regrow. I'm a little confused though, I was under the impression Minoxidil was for regrowth and Finasteride was just to maintain/prevent further loss. What actually regrows hair?

@dallysinghson5569 8 ай бұрын

Minox would but only in areas where there is still hair. If you have lost hairline that is not recoverable but dont take my word for it.

@Floody1 2 ай бұрын

@@dallysinghson5569Nah it can be used to regrow hair around hairline but you have to be consistent and if u stop it will return to the way it was before

@emperorsheev5790 Ай бұрын

@@dallysinghson5569 nah it's recoverable it's just really hard to find out what works because of the lack of new research.

@maianation Ай бұрын

My aga (female) stopped after I started using Ordinary multi peptide serum. It has caffeine in it. It first did the same kind of small shed minoxidil does (or then it was just my normal aga shedding before caffeine kicked in). Now at least the shedding has been minimal for almost 8 months and hair feels better/stronger.

@ridgedatta1265 29 күн бұрын

How long did the shed last?

@EmiliyanB_R6 8 ай бұрын

I`m already on minoxidil and If I want to stop it and replace it with coffeine treatment, what will be the side effects? Will I lose a lot of my hair ?

@lolabrini3758 4 ай бұрын

yes: when u start minoxidil u shed a lot before u see growth, and if u stop it u will lose all the hair u gained. rosemary oil as been shown clinically to be as effective as minoxidil according to research. Also peppermint oil is a stimulant good for hair growth. Also caffeine and also the inversion method works and of course scalp massage (move scalp against cranium skull). All of this stimulates hair growth and blood circulation.

@switzerland 8 ай бұрын

In Switzerland we have caffeine shampoo. I wonder if I could grind some caffeine pills and apply. Do I need oil, water or cream?

@CurlyCrowie 3 ай бұрын

In South Africa we have caffeine shampoo too. I have used coffee as a rinse (concentrated on the scalp,) and applied conditioner on top of it and left for 30mins, then rinsed. It's too early too say if it works. It Def stops hair fall but I cannot be sure if my hair will grow thicker. I used black tea a few years ago and it also stopped hairfall in its tracks but the hair I already lost didn't really grow back significantly. Yes, there was a b😢it of new growth but not close to what I lost. In my case the first major hairfall was a result of health issues as well as genetics. Lately it's more to do with genetics.

@trevor2256303 Ай бұрын

can i just pour an expresso on my head 5 mins before a shower?

@girohead 7 ай бұрын

I've been using Minox for a long time, along with Propecia (which was stopped due to sides and then PFS but stayed with Minox). I maintained full head of hair and actually surprised some folks that it seemed to work. Now I'm getting balding patching and think Minox actually caused some harm. I've recently stopped caffeine (after balding/thinning was accelerating) but am now intrigued with your mention of BP as I've been having BP issues for sometime (slightly elevated to be put on Lisinopril). This is why I stopped caffeine but wondering if I should stop Minox. I've been reducing Minox as I consider just stopping everything and praying that my body fixes itself. The medical community has given up on me, but I'm going to fix this on my own. Screw Pharma and healthcare.

@Rania777k 7 ай бұрын

I have a similar experience, I started having hair loss before my 20's, minoxidil saved me 4 a long time but now I completed10 years & I feel it's not working anymore. Now I am trying to look 4 new solutions as you said Doctors failed me,they never knew what is the problem exactly,, but do you recommend I try the caffine for a while or no?

@girohead 7 ай бұрын

@@Rania777k Are you asking me? This is the first I've heard of topical caffeine method, but find it odd that a stimulant could replace an ointment that reduced bp. Since I'm backing off on Minox (back to once a day) I may try this on the other part of the day. Minox is supposed to be 2x per day but I'm not noticing growth or loss. I'm also getting indifferent as most in the gym seem to have shaved heads anyway and those with mpb look silly. I'm down on Big Pharma in general anyway and may just let nature do its thing. When AI takes over medicine, we'll see that we're still in the dark ages, bozos and snake oil salesmen..I speak generally, I'm a fan of Dr. H and will listen to him before the natural remedy types in here.

@casasose 5 ай бұрын

Minoxidil can cause ED. So if you mean you experienced ED from fin when you say PFS you should have quit min.

@girohead 5 ай бұрын

@@casasose I never saw that and didn't look too far because I did look into that initially. Min was developed for bp in first place. Looking around now I see possibly 1%, so I'm not believing it. I had started both at the same time and only had minor effects, till I stopped Fin.

@casasose 5 ай бұрын

@@girohead yes and looking around you’ll see only 2% get fin sides(which certainly isn’t true) Don’t believe the studies boyo.

@ironbulls4229 4 ай бұрын

Great video! If you had a choice what coffee would you guys use? I feel like you’d obviously wanna stay away from super processed stuff like great value or Folgers

@dqz7887 2 ай бұрын

Any real organic coffee will do the work

@seyedamirhoseindehghanniry4004 8 ай бұрын

i have experience of using minoxidil in two past years and every time i use it for 10 month and every time i grow new hair. actually its not new hair . its just my old hair that become so tiny in case of size ,that seems it is new hair.

@bloodindark 28 күн бұрын

does it mature?

@ricfax 8 ай бұрын

Gives me a few ideas. I cold brew my coffee (no heat at all) and there's always liquid in the grinds at the bottom of the container I just compost. I'll try squeezing liquid from the grinds and applying that. Any ideas for gel-like thickeners to try combining with it would be appreciated!

@TheAyvee 8 ай бұрын

Soak flax seeds in water. You will get a gel

@ricfax 8 ай бұрын

@@TheAyvee : Great idea, especially since flax seeds are full of good stuff, too! I'll try it.

@markbraxton1289 2 ай бұрын

No need for gel strong black coffee from beans is all that's needed

@mirzaraza3542 4 ай бұрын

Andrew mentions the caffeine ointment, can we apply coffee hair oil too and get the same thick hair ?

@goosememer4841 Ай бұрын

Any update on how this is helping?

@sohamlatke2161 8 ай бұрын

can we apply instant coffee to our scalp just asking

@SonGoku-qq6rp 5 ай бұрын

yes you can if you mix it with water or with oils like coconut oil or olive oil

@Sky10811 8 ай бұрын

what are budget friendly caffeine serums? not greasy on hair

@GloryAma 5 ай бұрын

Try amari hair care's for $15

@philominamorgan7931 8 ай бұрын

The thing he didnt talk about is how much hair you loose when stopping Minoxidil! I wonder if you have to stay with caffeine all your life like Minoxidil

@CurlyCrowie 3 ай бұрын

In my case, yes. Mine is genetics

@ShazWag 8 ай бұрын

Interesting. What's your knowledge on rosemary to stimulate hair growth?

@nohermasperu2713 5 ай бұрын

It works. I use a homemade with alcohol 96% store in the fridge

@jss.2020 4 ай бұрын

@@nohermasperu2713 you regrew or just maintaining your hair?

@abhijeetholambe9861 8 ай бұрын

Can I just put black coffee on my scalp? It's gotta be safe and it probably has similar bioavailability? Cost will be cheaper than anything else.

@joe_zupko 8 ай бұрын

probably too liquidy, but maybe if you just get it all up in there. You could maybe try something more concentrated like coffee oil, but that's harder to find. From Nature With Love sells a really good coffee oil, most other places sell stale crap. Never used it on my head though, just in lotions

@alqasem5691 8 ай бұрын

U can try Guarana powder. It’s concentrated 20% caffeine, and dissolve easily in 5ml in water.

@joe_zupko 8 ай бұрын

That may be easier to manage than putting weird oils in your hair, they're hard to get out haha@@alqasem5691

@allieoopoop245 Ай бұрын

Can anyone recommend a product??

@RC-lc6ph Ай бұрын

Im using darn near every theoretical way to regrow hair. From various vitamins to increase blood flow and testosterone (zinc) management,.palmelo oil and punkin oil to block DHT to biotin, finastride, minoxidil and coffee. I realize one thing coukd.counter another and will never know if it works what really did the job. But my plan is to use coffee,.derma rolling and scalp massage along with zinc. For the coffee I did no research, I just add a few drops of water tominstant coffee sonits runny paste like.substance and der.a.roll then rub itnintomscalp Wish me luck..been at it couple or three weeks and I see the process starting were the weaker hairs go quickky to make room for more of the stronger hairs.

@joejanczak3014 8 ай бұрын

Well if a person was getting greys in their hair, then just use dark ground nd roast coffee boiled down to 5 times density, almost like a goop you find after accidentally leaving the coffee to boil on the stove and finding it 😮. When cooled down just apply it to freshly washed dry hair. You can even leave it in if you want.

@HeavenlyLights 8 ай бұрын

What is “nd” roast coffee please?

@cuneo988ccc7 8 ай бұрын

Hello

@spinachtriangle 8 ай бұрын

What if you just crushed caffeine pills in a nice moisturiser like Eucerin?

@SuperIce6374 4 ай бұрын

You would want to use a pure powder (do NOT inhale it) and dissolve it into a measured solution rather than pills because the pills contain additional binders and fillers. You could then mix that measured solution into some sort of leave-on scalp cream.

@MrAngelluis3 8 ай бұрын

I would be intrested to see the results of utilizing micro needling in conjunction with the caffeine ointment

@jasondoolin6476 8 ай бұрын

Same here

@jss.2020 4 ай бұрын

there is a guy on youtube who regrew his hair doing that

@plamenyordanov131 4 ай бұрын

I've been doing it for about 6 months. My ointment is coffee infused olive oil with peppermint essential oil and castor oil. I microneedle twice a week. I do see some regrowth. Some vellus hairs have darkened and started to grow, but it's slow.

@MrAngelluis3 4 ай бұрын

@@plamenyordanov131 What depth are you micro needling

@nicholasnamiluko4174 21 күн бұрын

@@plamenyordanov131 how slow

@LordVictorHalgaard 8 ай бұрын

I’ve tried products with caffeine for this use - it had no notable effect.

@westy4973 8 ай бұрын

Same

@LordVictorHalgaard 8 ай бұрын

Well to clarify, it had the same effect as drinking a cup of coffee, on my body/brain/wakefulness, so it definitely wasn't because the dose was too small.

@markbraxton1289 2 ай бұрын

Look up topical melatonin studies for hairloss

@Werdxp 8 ай бұрын

Anyone know any brands of topical caffeine? i can't find any

@malumartinez5554 7 ай бұрын

You can make it yourself. 2 spoons of coffee to 3 spoons of shampoo. you can also boil coffee with rosemary, cinnamon, cloves and ginger and make a tinture. It smells quite nice, actually.

@henrikg7661 2 күн бұрын

Alpecin

@valdezalimentacioncelular.3085 3 ай бұрын

I have 40 days using coffe and have grow alot new hair.

@markbraxton1289 2 ай бұрын

Yeah it does a lot more than just stop hairloss because stopping hairloss means new hair growth..it's logical 😊

@cordyone 8 ай бұрын

Arent those side effects of Minox from the tablets, though, rather than the more popular topical version? Can topical caffeine cause the same side effects as injested? I am very sensitive to caffeine, ie palpitations, jitters etc

@degensanonymous 8 ай бұрын

There’s an episode (of which this segment is an exert) where he covers this. It’s sketchy at best due to not being able to control dose when applied manually to the scalp.

@WideAwakeHuman 8 ай бұрын

Chances of side effects from topically admind caffeine or minox are very slim but possible

@degensanonymous 8 ай бұрын

Sorry, just to clarify - I was referring to Minox (as that can have extremely adverse side effects). Edit. Check the pinned post by Huberman for the actual episode, and it should be time stamped in there.

@kudsudama 7 ай бұрын

Would this caffeine absorption through the scalp keep me awake at night if i were to apply the ointment at night?

@jss.2020 4 ай бұрын

yes if you overdo it

@markbraxton1289 2 ай бұрын

Just do it through the day it will still work

@gregero 2 ай бұрын

If i drink a lot.of caffeine , can i just use my urine on my head?? Or pee on my head directly?

@Maulfurion 8 ай бұрын

Caffeine so good it deserves a place on the table next to salt&pepper

@Daniyal731France 6 ай бұрын

Sir, minoxidil has been exstensively shown anecdotally to create new hair follicles, I'm surprised after all the beards it has created out there, that some people still say it does not create new hair. It DOES, minoxidil has no proof to give on that aspect anymore. Now is there any serious studies on that ? Not sure, i think there is only one out there on pubmed if i'm not wrong, but regardless we dont need studies, we have exstensive people's experiences. Also, take note that minoxidil 5% will only work for a few man, around 45% of them. If you dont respond to the 5% concentration you should consider the 15% (there IS one study on pubmed showing that 60% of the non responders to 5% DO respond to 15%). But dont take the 10% it is useless. For beard growth also consider adding 2% Carnitine Tartrate which has been shown to upregulate androgen receptor sensitivity AND increase hair growth count.

@user-fo8cs6ee3k 7 ай бұрын

i saw caffeine in my shampoo the other day and was like WTF?? now im happy they put it in 😂

@Jo-vk6zl 8 ай бұрын

I'm a coffee grower in Uganda and bald 🤔🤔 How did this happen?

@Bishop46066 4 ай бұрын

Idi Amin was not bald.

@markbraxton1289 2 ай бұрын

Maybe u didn't rub it on your scalp just drank it like what people usually do 😊

@nicholass2310 7 ай бұрын

whats a good source of caffeine? for hair growth

@jss.2020 4 ай бұрын

coffee

@coryrolling6938 8 ай бұрын

Everytime I take coffee my hair line recedes. And yes I drink lots of water either way it recedes if I do

@somethingandahalf 8 ай бұрын

i remember reading something about excessive caffeine intake having such negative effect somewhere but cant remember where exactly and the reason behind it. i drink a fair bit of black tea but my total caffeine intake i dont think goes past 150mg

@coryrolling6938 8 ай бұрын

@@somethingandahalf I've only had 1 cup of coffee a day and still happens

@JoshuaYoung2 7 ай бұрын

You could be having a histamine intolerance response

@jayjay1974Herbs 8 ай бұрын

Why are coffee beans bald? 👀

@markbraxton1289 2 ай бұрын

Because they are too strong for themselves...they get results from melatonin tho 😊

@Carlos.Rivera 8 ай бұрын

Caffeine produces me a hella of gastritis

@gbp3616 8 ай бұрын

Where was this info 5 years ago 😅

@wonderlustesm8880 2 ай бұрын

Don't lose hope brother

@markbraxton1289 2 ай бұрын

Look up hair growth with topical melatonin...studies show remarkable hair growth

@d.y.8276 8 ай бұрын

Get number 1 haircut, go on a beach holiday 2 weeks. Don’t drink alcohol and don’t eat veg oil, bread and bad stuff. Swim in the salty water daily don’t soak your head too much tho. Bam after the holiday new hair and baby hair comes back. Idk about overweight people but for skinny people it should work. Keep your blood pressure in cool and collected most of the time anaerobic

@educationX 8 ай бұрын

Minoxidil increases BP I think so it says on label. Did you say it wrong. I would like to think Caffeine also increases blood flow and hence BP

@danplove97 8 ай бұрын

CAFFEINE DOES NOT DO ANYTHING FOR HAIR LOSS. This guy is not a hair loss expert ffs.

@jiimmyboi12 6 ай бұрын

youre the hair loss expert. lol

@danplove97 6 ай бұрын

@@jiimmyboi12 thank you x

@markbraxton1289 2 ай бұрын

Are you speaking for yourself or everyone else who it works for ?

@nicwalshy 8 ай бұрын

Complete waste of time for 99.9% of people. Please don’t listen to a neurologist for advice on something completely unrelated

@markbraxton1289 2 ай бұрын

Show us where your information came from

@bluesky45299 8 ай бұрын

Quran says: “Allah:there is no deity worthy of worship except he”:The Neccessary life/consciousness,sustainer of life/consciousness.” Wire like neuronal structures that conduct electricity via ions/neurotransmitters in the CNS/PNS possess no attribute of thinking/life and yet that has “randomly” led to life. Consciousness/thinking is an innate idea(“Fitra”)that is distinct from carbon skeleton and yet the materialist scientist believes that chemistry turned into biology via “god of randomness”/”Emergent property”/”law of nature”. Consciousness can only stem from Necessary Consciousness (Allah-one/indivisible/loving/self-sufficient perfection.

@lillili77 8 ай бұрын

Materialist science is realising its limits. Consciousness, one of the fundamental realities of our life, does not fit into the materialist view. Consciousness/the universe/God is everything and all. Nothing is outside of it. Think about that. If everything is God, then everything including things we consider not living, and all of us are just god having different experiences.

@dallysinghson5569 8 ай бұрын

Islam personifies Allah and therefore commits blasphemy.

@bluesky45299 8 ай бұрын

@@dallysinghson5569 I believe you have a completely misunderstood idea of Islam. Here is the central doctrine of Islam:”There is nothing worthy of worship except Allah, Muhammad is a slave/messenger of Allah”. I would study chapter 112 of quran(only 4 verses) to understand philosophically the essence of perfect/infinite entity( Allah-the most exalted) In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. 1.Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; 2.Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; 3.He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; 4.And there is none like unto Him.

@bluesky45299 8 ай бұрын

@@lillili77 You are confusing creator with creation. Quran says:”there is nothing like Allah”. Creation is imperfect/finite. Therefore creation is capable of undergoing change. The creator is perfect/infinite. If perfection required change it will no longer be perfection. In Islamic tradition of pure monotheism, creation can exist or not exist. Human beings can choose to worship Allah(one/indivisible perfection) or not worship Allah. All of this will not affect Allah(the most exalted) In the least. Allah remains perfect/exalted. Allah is completely self-sufficient as a result no created entity can ever resemble his essence(perfection/eternality/self-sufficiency etc) nor can imperfect/finite beings ever experience the essence of Allah. We can relate to Allah in a contingent way thru some of Allah’s attributes such as justice, mercy, rigor.

@lillili77 8 ай бұрын

@@bluesky45299 you cannot separate the creator from creation. God is not some separate being that is outside of creation. The kingdom of God is within everyone and everything. God is the rock, the wind, the unmanifest and manifest. I Am that I Am.