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CMBN PVP: Tin Cans

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Usually Hapless

Usually Hapless

Күн бұрын

US and German armoured forces clash in an ahistorical meeting engagement at Buron. I'm playing as the Americans against General Sir Anthony CH Melchett.
This is Combat Mission: Battle for Normandy, set on the Western Front from July to September 1944. Mods-wise I'm running the ubiquitous HQS sound mod, Vin's Geometric icons, Vein's effects and a tweaked version of Barbarico's War Movie filter mod. Combat Mission is a game developed by Battlefront.com.
One of the most realistic tactical simulations ever made, Combat Mission covers a wide variety of military settings, from World War 2 (Normandy, Market Garden, Sicily, Italy and the Eastern Front) to fictional modern conflicts in Syria (Shock Force) and Ukraine (Black Sea). You can find out more about Combat Mission by visiting www.battlefront... and especially the forums.

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@RokkStrongo
@RokkStrongo 2 жыл бұрын
was pretty amazed when I realized maybe ~20 minutes in (and only after hearing all the village names) that I made this map, many years ago, glad to see its being put to good use! I can still remember hand placing and then rotating each and every one of these damn telephone poles at 50m intervals or so... (on a 4x3km map)
@nathangun2261
@nathangun2261 2 жыл бұрын
A good map maker is worth his weight in gold.
@spiraling6980
@spiraling6980 2 жыл бұрын
Great job! Its people like you that keep the game alive!
@decimated550
@decimated550 2 жыл бұрын
Great job on this very life like map. Now. Now are all these maps used randomly even if I'm playing combat mission cold war? I noticed that on red thunder and cold war had a same map or 2 shared between playing both games
@whyme943
@whyme943 8 ай бұрын
@@decimated550Might be justified for those two.
@GenSirAnthonyCHMelchett
@GenSirAnthonyCHMelchett 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Hapless! thank you for a fun game. Quite interesting to see how many of those glancing blows the Sherman's took on the chin.
@cf453
@cf453 2 жыл бұрын
Darling! :D Well done Melchett. Thanks for letting us watch.
@DJsharp707
@DJsharp707 2 жыл бұрын
Good game gents
@usuallyhapless9481
@usuallyhapless9481 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, always surprising to see a Sherman survive... well, anything.
@decimated550
@decimated550 2 жыл бұрын
@@usuallyhapless9481 Are you playing this on wego or are you playing this live head to head ? Are you able to give small orders on the fly to your men or are you relying on the AI after you've set your one minute moves?
@decimated550
@decimated550 2 жыл бұрын
30:56 Last Stand of the Scouts! Died with honor
@MegalonJonesSlattery
@MegalonJonesSlattery 2 жыл бұрын
Your breakdown of the two armor fights is excellent and instructive. My technique is more 'Look at all this chaos!' using montage editing. I do know that the 57mm gun doesn't get enough credit. High rate of fire comes in handy.
@themodernwarfarehistorian825
@themodernwarfarehistorian825 2 жыл бұрын
Well, I like both UH and yours editing style ahahah
@Spider-Too-Too
@Spider-Too-Too 2 жыл бұрын
your story telling skill is getting better and better
@d.c.6065
@d.c.6065 2 жыл бұрын
1 hour of Hapless? On the day after Thanksgiving? With a leftovers sandwich? Yes, please! 😍 Edit: With GSACHM? Oh sweet god
@thecbrndude6208
@thecbrndude6208 2 жыл бұрын
Stumbled upon this video (And subsequently channel) thinking it was going to be a simple review of a PVP match, but the amount of detail you put into reviewing this encounter between American and German armored forces have earned you a subscriber. Very well made and showed exactly why you never underestimate the 57mm!
@cf453
@cf453 2 жыл бұрын
That was a SPECTACULAR battle, and perfectly narrated and presented. The TacAI seemed to do rather well with what you presented it.
@masonm9316
@masonm9316 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve read a lot of reports of later Sherman upper front plates being pretty effective in bouncing German late war ammunition. I don’t think it’s modeled in game, but it was considered by the Germans that that panthers long 75 effective range when engaging the frontal 45 degree arc of the Sherman’s was about 200 to 300 meters. Supposedly the reason is very poor metallurgy in the shells. The guns had the power but the combination of American steel not being brittle, unlike soviet steel and the metallurgy of the late war shells apparently didn’t give the German tankers much confidence when engaging American armor. Interesting this wasn’t the case on the eastern front, probably because of the brittle Soviet steel that would either shatter the shell or fail entirely. I wish I could find my exact sources I would publish them, if I can find them again I’ll come back and edit the comment with the links. I know one of them was my old material science books from my engineering classes.
@thepinkplushie
@thepinkplushie 2 жыл бұрын
By 45 even on the eastern front this problem should have been present for the Germans I'd think. Having looked into Soviet wartime metallurgy, it seems the problem was being heavily studied by 42. By 43 there was both scientific and industrial efforts to come to solutions. By 44 some factories were getting very consistently high armour quality, but that still meant the front lines were very hit and miss, with even tanks in the same company having wildly differing armour quality. By 45 however, at least by Soviet claims and the limited data I've seen, it appears consistency had massively improved. Most factories were able to produce quality plates at least most of the time. I believe the percentage I saw was 60-80% consistent quality, up from ~30-40% even up to late 43, early 44. I'd speculate it took so long due to the organization of the soviet industrial effort, where making changes to tooling, equipment and process was only done if absolutely necessary, as it slowed down production significantly until the factory had adjusted. They also kicked out changes in phases, allowing factories producing new equipment to fully switch, while older equipment was still produced at others. While this is understandable, it's somewhat of a self fufilling prophecy (if you make lots of low quality tanks, you're more likely to lose tanks, which requires you to build more tanks, which makes it more difficult to improve tanks, as demand remains very high)
@masonm9316
@masonm9316 2 жыл бұрын
@@thepinkplushie this may be entirely true and seems like it is so, the documents/archival sources where very western centric mostly interviews and interrogations of German officers and industrial staff of how they viewed allied(American) armor. Only really referencing the eastern front to draw comparisons. From what I’ve gleamed from the reports is that American tanks where much better protected than the Allies thought they where. I think the report mentions that they wanted to do a follow on study of this but couldn’t find enough examples of Shermans that had frontal impacts of long 75s or short 88s. After the war I am pretty, though I have no source I can relate to that the Allies did fire a long 75 at the Sherman and it cut through out to about 800m but they might have had good ammo and not war time production. I do remember a addendum that told of the long 88 being able to punch through at 2km even with very poor ammo. It was more out of pure Kinetic energy than anything else. I am not sure and I think all of this might be lost to history, I do find things like this fascinating! The paper says the Sherman’s armor couldn’t stand a chance against the long 75 but in reality it was much more muddy.
@thepinkplushie
@thepinkplushie 2 жыл бұрын
@@masonm9316 Makes sense they'd try it. That said, I know the Americans often used their own guns of similar power and calibre in range tests to approximate, due to a lack of captured German guns and ammunition. This is something the Soviets had to do less, as far more tanks were captured on the eastern front than the western. I find it highly believable (and sources I've read seem to agree) that American armour rated far higher than it was given credit for (and still is). Likewise German armour tends to be overrated in some aspects. The Germans did a great job adopting effective plate sloping with the Panther, but the Tiger used a pretty conventional design and was used far past it being outdated on the field. Likewise though the Panther's armour pattern was exceptional for the time, the weld quality and metal quality wasn't up to snuff even in '43 and continued to decline until the end of the war. There's many pictures of German big cats that were hit by large Soviet rounds that didn't pen but burst the weld lines. And that's not even to talk about the spalling, which seems to have just gotten worse and more common as the war went on.
@MrChainsawAardvark
@MrChainsawAardvark 2 жыл бұрын
One of the rarely discussed aspects of the war was access to materials like vanadium, molybdenum, and tungsten. The main delay in German Turbojets was not so much orders from above, as a lack of alloys to build turbine blades. Making the high-temperature spinning components from simple steel would result in so an engine would fail after ten hours of use. To type qualify a pilot in a twin engine ME-262 with 20 hours flight time would eat four jets before you even got to combat. Tungsten is needed for both machine tooling to make tank armor, and as a component of AP shells - meaning by the end of the war the Panzers need to choose between making tanks or ammunition.
@thepinkplushie
@thepinkplushie 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrChainsawAardvark To put in perspective how dire it was for the Germans, even the allies had tungsten shortages to the very end of the war. Demand was sky high and many of the largest tungsten operations wouldn't be completed until after the war. Germany didn't have easy imports from around the world like the eastern and western allies. The Soviets were wise to focus tungsten and other rare resources on armour and tooling rather than shells in my opinion. The T-34-85 and IS-2 both had "good enough" killing power (the later easily disabled most German tanks even when failing to penetrate). The western allies had a steady tungsten supply, though not as much as they needed to fufill all the requests. In the end all sides were rationing AP ammo, especially HVAP/APCR.
@dakaodo
@dakaodo 2 жыл бұрын
Your editing and narration are wonderful. The tank labels and your reminders of the Shermans' main armaments helped me keep them straight. Same goes for your overall narration and continuity reminders about which units you'd mentioned moving or in action previously. I feel like I've learned a fair bit, as if a WW II tactics history book had been put into motion. I've read a few descriptions of battles, but with this game as a medium it helps me understand and orient myself on the battlefield so much more easily. The small details you mentioned in angles, terrain, and particular situations also feel like a historical battle description brought to life.
@Donnerino
@Donnerino 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent example that being outnumbered and outgunned doesn't mean you're going to lose. That tank fight that decided the match would go into a field manual.
@jp38able
@jp38able 2 жыл бұрын
Great video and game. It shows the importance of combined arms really well. A good example that the armored fist of the german army was only one part of their success. Integration of recce, armor, fires and mobile/armored infantry was possible of greater importance than the heavy stuff on its own. Here, your enemy lacked artillery to shape his area of advance with fires/smoke, strong recce to fight for information (when his Panthers stubled into your position on the deep right) and infantry to exploit the dominance of the tanks/secure objectives.
@markraffety3246
@markraffety3246 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video as always UH. The resilience of Shermans is often understated. I just finished a battle where I had some 88 flaks dug in on a hill. They engaged Shermans of various types at ranges of 1800 to 2000 meters. They had very few full penetrations at that range. One thing this video brings out is the advantage the US player has in recon and speed. US recon elements punch above their weight. Jeeps have radios and can distribute mg and bazooka teams around the battlefield quickly. Again a very well done video that serves as an excellent tactics training film.
@TopHatHat
@TopHatHat 2 жыл бұрын
Tank battles in this were absolutely amazing! As you said a better map layout would have been the solution, but I for one want to see a rematch between you two on whatever game or map you both decide. Looking forward to the next video!
@TotallyNotElPresidente
@TotallyNotElPresidente 2 жыл бұрын
I was not expecting this to be an almost exclusively armor engagement, pretty awesome!
@thespfgirl
@thespfgirl 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to see new content from WW2 CM. Love the new arrow graphics!
@doctorfresh3856
@doctorfresh3856 2 жыл бұрын
MORE, MORE, MORE! Your the only one really doing it. Making good, NARRATIVE DRIVEN, Combat Mission videos. I want to see more and more frequently. 😉
@vicgalvalo8853
@vicgalvalo8853 2 жыл бұрын
Hapless Uploads: happy day
@decimated550
@decimated550 2 жыл бұрын
6:40 the infantry action is short sharp and nasty! Super exciting. I love pure armored infantry battles vs their counterparts
@bobtank6318
@bobtank6318 2 жыл бұрын
Great job Hapless. Your use of the Shermans in the face of those Panthers was well done. I feel like the German player brought to many tanks and should've brought more infantry. I also like the focus on the Sherman in this video. It is one of my favorite tanks and in my opinion was the best tank of the war. The reliability and crew ergonomics were superb, and it had one of the first stablizers. Of course, the Sherman's strengths aren't really present in CM due to the lack of reliability modelling (how many of those Panthers would've broken down or ran out of fuel before the battle IRL).
@SimonPageVideo
@SimonPageVideo 9 ай бұрын
Wow. Recently returned to CMBN after years as it's still my absolute fav. This video is awesome. Such story telling and tactical explanations. Really enjoyed it and you made me late for work!
@XVansenX
@XVansenX 2 жыл бұрын
This is the best video I watched so far from Combat Mission AAR. Great narration and editing!
@thewitherchannel1053
@thewitherchannel1053 2 жыл бұрын
This is the best CM channel out there. so good editing skills.
@patrickhaller669
@patrickhaller669 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing battle analysis. Very well done by both players. Thanks for sharing. I can't overstate the amount of knowledge I am gaining from watching your videos
@WPrice-bb6xo
@WPrice-bb6xo 2 жыл бұрын
God that hellcat crew must've been terrified
@d.c.6065
@d.c.6065 2 жыл бұрын
Can't be terrified if you're dead
@whya2ndaccount
@whya2ndaccount 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed it although to me it brings out the fundamental flaw in the CM family concept of a Meeting Engagement. No bounding, mutual support or Advance to Contact, just a peddle to the metal, first in best dressed, dash for the Objective.
@negawan
@negawan 2 жыл бұрын
that was an awesome account of the battle. i was completely invested in how the battle played out.
@yeahno6100
@yeahno6100 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Hapless, sort of reminds me of Josey Wales' videos, another asset to the Combat Mission community that we seem to have lost.
@DwarfElvishDiplomacy
@DwarfElvishDiplomacy 2 жыл бұрын
This is one of the most entertaining things i have ever seen on youtube, thanks
@kevlarburrito6693
@kevlarburrito6693 2 жыл бұрын
As someone whose been playing Combat Mission since it first came out over 20 years ago; I always, ALWAYS, give any recon teams I use a fire arc order in the shape of a circle around them that is no more than 25 meters away. This keeps them observing and spotting without letting them open up on everything that comes into sight.
@4rnnr_as
@4rnnr_as 2 жыл бұрын
I much enjoyed this format than watching turn by turn. Your storytelling skills are really showing here too. Excellent opening and narrative in a tense battle!
@MegalonJonesSlattery
@MegalonJonesSlattery 2 жыл бұрын
An hour long installment?!? I know what I'm watching tonight.
@russellhall1756
@russellhall1756 2 жыл бұрын
An absolutely beautifully well put togethor video hapless, this is by easily your best video yet! Great Job
@donotlookherethereisnothing
@donotlookherethereisnothing 2 жыл бұрын
The return of the king! I've been on combat mission withdrawal for too long!
@overwatch1828
@overwatch1828 9 ай бұрын
This kind of Combat mission videos is what I adore the most from you. PLEASE do more of these PBEM matches in an AAR format. To me its hands down the best format to watch. You get it all, the tactical planning and the put into action movie that goes with it all beautifully filmed and edited. Simply put excellence all around. If I had the extra cash I would gladly pay you to put one of these out a month they are so enjoyable to watch.
@adavis5926
@adavis5926 2 жыл бұрын
Great narrative all the way through. Taking notes for my own CM plays. Thank you!
@wartsnall7332
@wartsnall7332 2 жыл бұрын
Always good to see more Normandy footage from you.
@kennethruns
@kennethruns 2 жыл бұрын
This is really exceptional, I was enthralled the entire time. Incredible work!
@EnRandomSten
@EnRandomSten 2 жыл бұрын
really like the use of visual aids in this video, very helpful and informative
@armchairgman6568
@armchairgman6568 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Happless. I've been watching your channel for a couple years now. This longer format is my favorite. Keep up the good work!
@hamishneilson7140
@hamishneilson7140 2 жыл бұрын
Oh man, I always get so stoked when I see you upload again! Great video man
@lorgius
@lorgius 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love that videos and the way they are narrated and presented.
@Wubs4Scrubs
@Wubs4Scrubs 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Loved the breakdown and the on screen graphics. Hope you continue doing PVP content for this game!
@dv6000islame
@dv6000islame 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing stuff as always Hapless! Excellent editing and commentary. Thanks again!
@seankong9733
@seankong9733 2 жыл бұрын
An HOUR long Hapless video??? You really pulled out the stops on this one Hapless! Applause to you!
@TheLengle
@TheLengle 2 ай бұрын
Late to the party, but I absolutely loved this AAR and your commentary on the battle. Thank you.
@richardhutchinson4740
@richardhutchinson4740 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing! Another battle against Melchie. Would love to see from his side as well.
@michaelcharles4596
@michaelcharles4596 2 жыл бұрын
FUNS A POP'N. Great AAR, thanks so much for posting. Very impressive recovery on the German armor push. [[Whiners, you gotta to love'em (oh gosh did I just say that).]]
@danielsonlisik534
@danielsonlisik534 2 жыл бұрын
This is so entertaining to watch, this game series is hard as hell.
@mjkypta
@mjkypta 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful engagement, and presentation in editing and narration. I hope you feature more of these battles with your friend on your channel.
@creedencerat9032
@creedencerat9032 2 жыл бұрын
That was some great bait by the general could’ve turned the engagement into a slaughter
@pipsqueaks_home
@pipsqueaks_home 2 жыл бұрын
Nice to see you back, Hapless. And damn fine job, as per usual. Many thanks!
@jepkratz
@jepkratz 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent play by play coverage and analysis of the battle. Good show!
@UrkkiTheMan
@UrkkiTheMan 2 жыл бұрын
Your best AAR so far!
@artemis4661
@artemis4661 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation as always.
@funkzeit
@funkzeit 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Hapless. Thank you so much for all the effort it took to make this.
@PitterPatter20
@PitterPatter20 2 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video from one of my favorite channels! Can't wait for the next video from you!
@cartergeorge1545
@cartergeorge1545 Жыл бұрын
What a great video, I love the little graphics showing defensive lines, breaks in the bocage, etc.
@karlhungus545
@karlhungus545 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, as always. Watched the entire thing. I'm more than a little surprised your experienced opponent kept allowing you side shots on his tanks. I would have sent a concentrated attack directly into that short route, smoked the field, and used the tanks to blast the hedgerows while artillery rained down on you. Methinks he maybe spent too much on tanks? This is also the problem with Meeting Engagements...zerg rush at the beginning.
@Ekstrax
@Ekstrax 2 жыл бұрын
Man i love to watch these
@lutherburgsvik6849
@lutherburgsvik6849 2 жыл бұрын
An hour?! O M G
@majorintel9623
@majorintel9623 Жыл бұрын
Good to see the narration saying where the units currently being talked about are located, most of the time. I kept wondering why the Germans did not lay down smoke with artillery to cover the right flank of their armor push, and avoid fire from Beuron.
@nathangun2261
@nathangun2261 2 жыл бұрын
Another excellent report Hapless. I've missed them.
@Redstarka22
@Redstarka22 2 жыл бұрын
That transition at 8:39... Your camera skills get better with each and every video!
@davis06
@davis06 2 жыл бұрын
This was an excellent video. I really enjoy watching them. If the general is open to suggestions; he may have been more successful by using all of SOSRA. Specifically the O, obscure. Smoking the tank positions on the right side of town may have presented advantages for his breaching push.
@TCrag
@TCrag 2 жыл бұрын
I realaly enjoy the format of your videos. Great work.
@gunsalot
@gunsalot 2 жыл бұрын
Those panthers sure are terrifying to look at.
@berrymcockiner3906
@berrymcockiner3906 2 жыл бұрын
Straight into the action! Amazing
@jake2.035
@jake2.035 2 жыл бұрын
Really good watch, the video was very well made and the commentary kept me interested. Wp.
@graysoncarter9925
@graysoncarter9925 2 жыл бұрын
Your best video yet! Great job hapless!
@biggestboss1756
@biggestboss1756 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty nice feature lenght video,although i hope you dont get burned out from doing such long projects.
@JuergenGDB
@JuergenGDB 2 жыл бұрын
Damn, that was epic... The 3rd shot from the Panther was a through and through. Nice Job Hapless!! Was a really good game. Damn, I love this game!! Damn! Just a beautiful AAR. Say Hapless I have a scenario for H2H play if you are interested. GhostRider3/3 from the forums. :)
@JuergenGDB
@JuergenGDB 2 жыл бұрын
I think after the first engagement with A1 being the General, I would have tried to flank that bocage before committing.. and disengaged till I had better Intel. But hell was a great battle.
@engineer5520
@engineer5520 2 жыл бұрын
Man imagine how the A3 and C4's crews felt when the panthers started rolling towards them.
@Vatniks_are_clowns
@Vatniks_are_clowns Жыл бұрын
Love the narration!
@M1912TrenchGun
@M1912TrenchGun 2 жыл бұрын
An absolutely excellent video (also RIP B3, the luckiest (and unluckiest) Sherman in the ETO)
@ivanivanov7246
@ivanivanov7246 2 жыл бұрын
thats a great work, love it. more interesting than 20 videos of 1 battle
@Muddabitch
@Muddabitch 2 жыл бұрын
That panzer attack was intense. I definitely would have panicked.
@elledhe3116
@elledhe3116 2 жыл бұрын
I love your vids keep it up one day we will be on the road to 1M.
@DrBurgerBuddy
@DrBurgerBuddy 7 ай бұрын
It’s amazing that the hit on that panther came into play 56:26
@johngojcevic8731
@johngojcevic8731 4 ай бұрын
One of ur best. Poor Stuart and scouts though 😢
@jacopofolin6400
@jacopofolin6400 2 жыл бұрын
Yessssss
@aanders1990
@aanders1990 2 жыл бұрын
This made my day. Thanks!
@rikwilliams6352
@rikwilliams6352 2 жыл бұрын
& thats why I rate this game so highly, well played & excellent AAR. What version are you using?
@usuallyhapless9481
@usuallyhapless9481 2 жыл бұрын
v4.03
@briansmithwins
@briansmithwins 2 жыл бұрын
Given German AFV strengths in ‘44 you just gutted a Panzer division.
@Vorrink
@Vorrink 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video and all the others. I own the CM games, but really dont play them "good". But your videos taught me a lot. :)
@spiraling6980
@spiraling6980 2 жыл бұрын
Great battle! Very entertaining! I absolutely love CM and have all the games except for the Cold War release. Recently though I've been thinking more and more that it might be time to see a newer modern game engine with better graphics and smoother gameplay. I haven't been to the forums in over a year so I'm not sure if this topic was brought up or not. Much rather see time/work go towards a new game engine instead of cranking out more scenarios with the current engine.
@momjuicer8482
@momjuicer8482 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video! Bro you should really do a battle of Berlin scenario with the fire and rubble module. That would be epic
@HolgerHendel
@HolgerHendel 2 жыл бұрын
Great, again.
@Shaz337
@Shaz337 2 жыл бұрын
Actually liked a video for once. Really want your channel to blow up!
@bumpsproductions7064
@bumpsproductions7064 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent !
@Tee-Ess
@Tee-Ess 2 жыл бұрын
That was a very interesting battle. Looks like the Germans brought way too little infantry.
@sirfanatical8763
@sirfanatical8763 2 жыл бұрын
I love these videos. Play some more cmsf2 pvp please (as the syrians)
@TheSonOfDumb
@TheSonOfDumb 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I did not know aircraft could crash on-map.
@usuallyhapless9481
@usuallyhapless9481 2 жыл бұрын
Yep. Usually on my friendly forces... of course.
@joaomarques7572
@joaomarques7572 2 жыл бұрын
Love it
@ernoldlezzequiele3651
@ernoldlezzequiele3651 2 жыл бұрын
amazing video
@lawsonbrady2586
@lawsonbrady2586 2 жыл бұрын
awesome game man keep up the great work
@Rutang835
@Rutang835 2 жыл бұрын
good lord that's a lot of armour
@TheLARPist
@TheLARPist 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video
@sproge2142
@sproge2142 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, that came out of nowhere! Amazing video as always, but I especially liked this one, taking the time to both go over the macro and micro sides allowed for some great storytelling while still being really tactically interesting! This must have taken forever to make, thank you for doing it.
@Themaritimes99
@Themaritimes99 2 жыл бұрын
Great Video!
@System-Update
@System-Update 2 жыл бұрын
Even with tweaks, this map is honking to attack across.
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