Same 😂

My Hamilton Khaki is 100 meters! Don’t know what u are referring ? Either way I would choose Hamilton any day!

Hamilton actually says in their documentation with every watch, not to use it in the field or swim with it. They are just for show pieces that have cashed in on the field watch customer but their product just isn’t suited for the field. Just not worth it. Other brands will overtake them. Technology nowadays is moving so fast pretty soon you’ll be able to make a watch like this in your own home one day.

True, and one which has done very well. A lot of the non divers struggle to get over the line.

@Cool Crush Ice Killa Its almost €83 tax, not €20

Fun with Turtles I thought the same thing. You can get a Hamilton Khaki king II for $400 all day every day

I dunno about that. If it was a slice of sapphire between two slices of bread, then it properly would be one. Maybe a sapphire Oreo.

chris auge That would be awesome!

Have you ever had an issue with a grey market watch? Is it easy to resolve? That's been an apprehension that I've had about watch buying online for a long time

@@gdelacruzjr Hi. I bought mine from amazon, was around $300 from dealer in singapore, had to pay import tax in Ireland when it arrived. No issues with watch, got warranty card and other documentation. Worth shopping around, on amazon, jomashop, etc.☘

Niallv, The VAER is a 40mm Miyota for $299 early bird kickstarter. It will wear very differently than a 42mm Hamilton Khaki. It will also be much cheaper to keep, and probably just as accurate and reliable as the ETA in the Khaki. Now, the VAER ETA offerings are comparatively more expensive than what Hamilton offers. But Hamilton is part of the Swatch group. There are plusses and minuses to this. Would you shower or swim with the Hamilton Khaki on? You can with the VAER.

It's a board comprised of David St. Hubbins, Nigel Tufnel and Derek Smalls.

@@grogthegrolie Well that explains it

Idiots with money.

@@grogthegrolie If so, they must've upped their game. I mean...the dial goes up all the way to *12* on this one.

Sounds like you're talking about Jody exposing himself.

Whose mind work which way? Or, if I were Scooby Doo or Astro, "Roh rah?"

A Weiss with an in-house USA handwind movement is definitely worth the investment.

@@grogthegrolie I bought the 38mm handwind (white dial) and it's definitley a nice watch. I just wish the lugs would curve down a little. The fact that Cameron Weiss makes his own movements (minus the Swiss barrel springs) definitely makes his watches stand out from the rest of these micro-brands ... in my opinion

Hamilton is having a lot of failure return

I got a victorinox and enjoy the Arabics

The designer dials come with syringe hands and a second hand which has a skeletonized arrow tip. Quite lovely and distinctive.

saulysw, I am in the same boat with you; though I am not yet decided about the date complication. Yes the dirty dozen design is attractive, but I am frankly not convinced that a movement which can only be serviced by a Swatch group certified watchsmith is something I want to commit to. I do not like the Swatch business model in regards to servicing and their decision to deny independent watchsmith's access to parts. This is a practical consideration for me in regards to long term ownership, and it dims my enthusiasm for ETA movements. Frankly, I would prefer an ETA clone. This is a tool watch. I want a tool watch that is highly reliable and fairly accurate out of the box. The Miyota movement is just that. The form factor and finish is nearly ideal. I would personally prefer a 38mm case and a manual movement, but this watch is very close to ideal in almost all terms, as a desert island watch. Truth be told, I would prefer a solid case back and a military contract style face sans ornamentation, designation, or markings; as in the US armed services field watch of the Vietnam era.

@@ivermec-tin666 Hey, thanks for the reply. The issue I have with the Miyota are 1) The unidirectional rotor, which you can apparently feel wobbling around (never had one so not sure) and 2) you can also apparently hear it as it is somewhat noisy. Again, no direct experience with this, so I'm not sure how bad these issues are in the real world, but I have a few ETA 2824 based watches and I've been happy with them so that is what I went for. I know I'm not in the majority with that decision. Interesting comments on Swatch group servicing costs. I am yet to service any watch I own, so I wonder if this is really a big deal or not...? As for tweaks for the design to make it the "perfect watch", we all have our wish list, right? For me, the heritage dial with date (so practical, for me the difference between a dress watch and a daily wear) this is pretty close to perfect already, with the unclipped 3. If I could get my color matched date wheel I'd be really happy, and even without it I'm good. Perhaps a nice applied logo rather than the block text? Applied indices? This will be my casual weekend watch, and for that I think it fits the bill really well. My weekday watch is a Fortis flieger professional, which has the day complication I love so much. I'm quite excited about the Vaer actually. I don't have or want a huge collection, and I hope it lives up to my expectations and has plenty of wrist time. I am also into Elgin pocket watches and there is a similarity in the Vaer designs that really appeals to me. The dirty dozen design is really, really nice to my eyes - but is effectively a dress watch to me, so I'd wear it very rarely. For the price I couldn't justify it. If you want a "sanitized" dial you can probably find something like it on Ali Express, but of course the quality is unlikely to match the Vaer, or even to be close. It would be a lot cheaper though, so if it breaks you could just buy another one? :)

@@saulysw I have never heard of the wobbling effect of the unidirectional winder on the Miyota automatic movement. I have heard of the noise issue with these winders, and asked for feedback from another reviewer of this VAER prototype on this issue. He indicated that he did not hear any noise coming from the winder on wrist. That is one man's experience, anyway. I understand that the noise issue is heavily influenced by the watch case design. I guess I am going to find out, one way or the other in November. I am leery of generic Chinese watches. I hate things that are unreliable, particularly things that I wear on my person. I would rather wear my homely but astonishingly accurate g-shock, than some generic automatic made by virtual economic slaves, even if it had a Seiko movement inside. I already own an skx-013. There are a few German watch makers that make sanitized (unbranded and without marketing nonsense on the dial) faces as an option, as was the historical practice for military spec watches for the US and German armed services. Like you, I do not want to build a large collection of watches, just a small selection for specific uses; a beater, a diver, a casual watch, and one for work. The VAER will be for work. I do not own any watches rated for less than 100m WR, and don't particularly want to. I do not plan on a dress watch at this point; maybe someday. I think pocket watches are lovely, but I don't think I will ever wear a three piece suit, and I am not very fond of vests either. I am firmly in the wristwatch camp. I hate using my phone to tell the time; it's clumsy. Frankly, I don't enjoy my interaction with my cellphone. It is a fiddly little device which demands far too much accommodation on my part.

@@ivermec-tin666 Again, a pleasure to read your reply. Jody mentioned the rotor wobble and noise in this review didn't he? Yes, see 9:03. For me, Chinese watches have a place - as an educational device. They are not things I want to own per say, or use long term, but they can let me discover first hand if I like certain designs before committing a significant wad of cash. I recently got 3 Chinese watches of various designs for less than half the price of the strap alone of one of my Swiss watches. One was a Rolex "homage" (Loreo, on Jody's recommendation) which I got to see what all the fuss is about, as I've never really felt that I liked the Submariner design. Now I know more about that. So, if they help me make a better decision about a "real" purchase, about quality, then they have achieved something good. I think they also keep the big players on their toes. It is a grey area, I know, and I'm not totally comfortable with it, and importantly I'm not trying to pretend I have something I don't. Pocket watches : Levi's all have a small pocket in the right hand side which is actually made to hold a pocket watch. That is where I keep mine, on a short, hand-made (by me!) leather strap looped through a belt hole for safety. I don't actually use it to tell the time, I use my watch for that. I just wear it because I like it, it is as simple as that, and I love the ticking sound it makes. I'm lucky that I can wear jeans to work most days. I could go on about that for longer, but really it is getting fairly far off topic here.

Great watch the propilot 👍

@@samuelball8775 it is a lovely watch. Highly ledgeable. A very good alternative to many stainless steel sports watches

@@michaellegg3430 Wearing mine now 😜 so easy to read the time. 100m wr. Great dimentions. Decent price difference between them though.

YES! Can't wait.

I bought a field watch with a Seagull wind up movement for $40. It one of the most accurate and best made watches that I have. I think paying $500 for a no name watch is a stretch

Mark Playford it looks like a timed weekender which is a $40 watch and has the best lume in the world

OOo, nice one Tom. A prototype is on the way. Review hopefully next Tuesday.

What dial etc did you go for?

@@JustOneMoreWatch got the black dial with the straight hands. Just a classic look.

The least expensive Weiss watch is $1150 (I've been following them and there's no discounting I know of). They also quote 12-14 weeks from order to delivery. It is a beautiful thing, but it's not everyone who would find it worth twice the price.

Scott SJ seagull make a good copy but as always with stuff from China there are a lot of fakes

Is there really no safety net when it comes to getting ripped off on Kickstarter? Curious.

@@ModernRegimen you are backing a project on Kickstarter, not buying a watch. The difference is the same as buying stock in a company and expecting a dividend. This gives me an idea for a secondary market for backer statuses. Anyway the point is: don't back on Kickstarter. Get a proper warranty or get it used for adjusted prices.

Hmm pretty sure most decent company’s on there will do both returns and guarantees. It will be in the small print or just ask!

I suggest people try it I’ve been ripped off ,so never again on kickstarter there is no comeback at all on any product on kickstarter,they are not a shop.

I've had nothing but positive experiences on KS, and it's been a pleasure dealing directly with the creators.

NOT an attractive movement to look at. The 9015 is actually pretty.

Hahaha! William, that made me laugh. 1. Yes, eBay. 2. Sorry mate, coming soon. Maybe next two weeks? I am borrowing the real SLA017 on Wednesday. 3. Actually, the other way around. KZfaq has now taken over an entire bedroom!