Here before ohnePixel reacts to this.

lowkey but 20yo supermodels to todlers comperation is hella wierdXDDD

I tried CS recently and honestly The gunplay blew me away and I had way more fun I just couldn't get used to the maps just from how many there were Although I felt the same starting Val with all the abilities so I think Im just gonna keep at it and play more CS

Can we talk about how good he is in both Val and csgo he hits some crazy plays

Finally, someone who talks about region when it comes to community

Great video overall! As a huge CS fan I think it’s undersold in this video the skins hold real world value. If someone purchases something, they should become full owners of it and, therefore, be able to sell it. I think it’s also similarly predatory to have rotating shop items, and items that may never come back, because it creates the FOMO gambling creates. We shouldn’t kid ourselves about the Fortnite style FOMO, especially because it is clearly a more kid friendly game (Fortnite, OW, and Val). That said, this video hit the nail on the head in all of its critiques against Valve/CS, especially crate/skins gambling. Though, an argument is to be made that, like you said with Valorant skins, the buyer knows what they’re getting into (or should). That said, Valve should do better to ensure appropriate aged people are the only ones participating in the gambling. Finally, it does disappoint me CS fans take things too far with their hate toward Valorant. I think it should be a meme - that is, clear and silly jokes, and both games should support each other. After all, CS fans can likely thank Valorant for pushing Valve to do more with CS. I don’t play Valorant much but will definitely support it and keep trying to heal the divide❤😂

9:57 “VASS?? You can resell it doeee” - Ohnepixel

As a CS player who also plays valorant but not as much as I play csgo (cuz its addicting) and doesn't understand why both communities hate each other so much I agree with ur opinion

I absolutely hate how Valorant does not have spray patterns in the game, idk why they want to force people to tap/burst and it just lowers the skill ceiling by a TON

finally a comparison that isnt all about one thing and isnt biased

20+ year CS veteran here. Started in CS Beta-->1.6 (almost went pro, but then...adulting)--->CS:Source--->2006-->stopped gaming for a loooong time--->Got back into gaming in 2019 and discovered CS:GO. Loved it but also shocked at how much hadn't changed. Especially the terribly racist and toxic community. Enter Valorant in 2020. Played the beta and fell in love. I too was worried about the "magic agent ability" stuff. I'm an old school CS player! I'm used to gritty, same util for everyone, etc. However, after playing a CS:GO for about a year and noticing ways it could be improved -- Valorant did ALL of that for me. I didn't hate CS:GO at all. But it still had an "ancient" feel about it. Like, having to open the console and google custom commands to change certain settings? Like, I still have to do this 20 years later?? Talk about a barrier to entry for new players. 😳 And the fact that pro players were still playing at resolutions I was using in 2004 and it's STRETCHED and looks like ass? But, hey, that's what you gotta do to get better FPS and to see player models best, and be pro. Not in Val, luckily. Like you said in the video, Riot looked at what Valve has done poorly with CS and "fixed" it for Valorant, and added their own little twist. And they adapt and change stuff QUICK. They love the community and I'm very impressed. The Valorant twist of adding agent abilities was REALLY hard for me to embrace at first. But I've come to love it because it makes the possibilities and gameplay much more dynamic VS the more rigid, predictable tactics of CS (where everyone has the same abilities). So, I play A LOT more Val than I do CS now. I just enjoy it more. But CS is my roots and will always have a place in my heart. However, I'm stoked to play some CS2. It looks like (again), there really isn't much of a leap in gameplay beyond bullets/HEs dissipating smokes. Nothing to really shake up the meta and have players adapt and re-innovate their style/gameplay. It just feels like a rigid, SAFE update. But I'm still excited to get back on the CS train and try it out. I love both Val and CS equally but for different reasons. I better end this novel now. 😆 I agree with everything you said in the video. Thanks for putting this together!

Less buttons on csgo to push , means my brain is happy

I really dislike that Valorant spray paterns are not consistent and really like CSGO being consistent and rewarding for adaptable players

valorant said they want each map with a gimmick. some has portals, some has 2 T spawns, some have rotating doors and so on. I dont want to deal with some of the unique map related bs and would rather not play on those maps, yet cant opt out.

Hey! Quick tip for your aps flash on inferno bounce it off the chimney. They way you threw it wouldn’t blind anybody on site or pit

How did you change your gun to left arm

Some things to mention: It is easier to develop a e-sport scene nowadays than it was 20 or 10 years ago. E-Sport as a whole has grown a lot. CS and CS:GO grew alongside e-sport, Valorant was created in an era that already has a solid foundation for this type of competition. About the Valorant community being more open-minded than the CS community, this is easy to explain, many Valorant players came from other games, from cs:go itself, pubg, crossfire, point blank and several other fps, while cs:go there is usually an audience that has played the same game forever. Honestly, Valorant's franchise system is not very good in e-sport, it limits the number of teams and players because they honestly do not do shit for tier 2 competition, in CS, Valve shits on all tiers but frees companies to create their own annual circuits that are simply open to everyone with a team to participate like BLAST, DREAMHACK, ESL and IEM.

You have a really good commentary style with some really good humour sprinkled in here and there despite the analytical style of the vid! nicely made

Wow, spot on. You addressed all the relevant points and stayed neutral the whole time. I respect you for being honest and not taking a side. I've been a die hard csgo fan the whole time and you got everything right. This is the best and least biased video on this topic so far and I'm glad someone did it right. Thank you

This video is really the only real COMPARISON video I've seen on this subject. Only really giving your own opinions towards the end with some splashed of it throughout the video. Other than that just comparing and showing both sides of the coin. Amazing video keep up the great work.

Both fun games, can’t wait to play cs2. One thing Val has over cs though is you can’t get kicked from a ranked/comp match, by a 4 stack of trash you just carried to match point.

As a CS player, the main reason Valorant doesn't peek my curiosity (not hating it, just not exactly interested) is the agents system. It's not because of the "magic skills" themselves or anything, but because it just reminds me of the reason I could never get into LoL, which many of my non-fps friends played and tried getting me into, and that is the plain scale of the initial learning curve to understand the game if you did not start right at the beginning with a digestable handful of characters to understand. It's not too terrible as of yet, but there is already 20+ different agents, and you need to learn how each of them work against one another, and the number's growing. By some point you get 100+ different classes, many beginning to look similar, due to lack of new ideas I suppose, but it just makes the game super hard to get into at that point, or if you decide to take a break and have to learn the game again. I know there is skill and fun to be had in this process and gameplay, but it's not something that ever interested me. CS has just a few basic guns, same util; pick your thing and you can basically come back to the game anytime, and it's virtually the same as it was. That said, I do like it when there are maps which are added/removed from rotation, because having a new map which everyone has to learn is something which boosts the experience in my personal opinion. Other than that I think the comparison is very objective and I definitely don't intend to trash Valorant as it's a well designed game and found it's generous share of players. Definately gave me more reason to try it sometime!

You're the first one who did a comparison without being biased love it u earned my respect and subscribe❤️

Im pretty sure that ohnePixel will react to this and will disagree with many of your points. This video seem more neutral than most of other ones that talk about this topic (especially the one from hardcore CS players most of the time).

This is comming from a mainly cs player, but there are some points I want to address here. Obviously CS had many years to develop and figure things out and Valorant has a lot of complexity in game balance due to the agents and obviously Valve should have supported the game way more than they did, thats not in question. But I feel like its not really fair to put every point CS does potentially better than valorant down because the game had lots of time. The reason is that Valorant may not have had the same amount of time but Valorant was able to take a LOT of CS established features and use those. So they already had a good base to work on, while CS especially in the competetive aspect had to build up a lot of those things first. I played both games a lot and I can for sure say that both are good in their own way. I personally highly prefer CS though mainly because the game has a lot more depth to it. Valorant has its abilities that give the game a lot of mechanics, but things like counterstrafing, air strafing, B Hops, spray control, etc are things CS has that give the game incredible depth and replayability. This obviously isnt for everyone but its something I highly prefer. My biggest point for CS though is the "potential" of each player. Whenever I play Valorant I have the feeling that the agent I picked lacks something, meaning that for certain situations I needed a flashbang, a smoke, a molly or whatever. When I pick Jett, I get smokes but no flashbangs, I think you get the idea. This means that in a certain situation I am at a disadvantage, to the point of having to win it by chance or not beeing able to win it regardless of what I do. In CS every player has the exact same potential, meaning that I can do the exact same play as even a pro player if I have the required skill to pull it off. I have the same equipment as anyone else on my team. Again, this is not something everyone will prefer, but its something that I highly value and that actually keeps me from really enjoying Valorant.

Enjoys both games gang wya

Great video man. Ur production is really good

9:47 relatable. Been wearing the same Jordan’s since 2019; still wear em today.

Are there any other shooters like Valo or Cs? my CPU needs some special function or smth like that and im currently banned on Valorant for queuing with a Cheater without knowing (lol) thx for any help given =)

for someone who plays both, thats a really good video. im mostly on your side on many points. for example, Imho the gunplay and utility usage feels so much better in cs. and the fact that i can buy a skin i wanna try out and just resell it to get something else is just hella dope! In valo i would have to buy all the skins i wanna try out. ( which i technically did, riot got alota money from me) + the animations and stuff are too distracting. i definitely love the stickers approach in cs waaay more since it lets you personalize your guns so much more^^

Really liked the clothing and buying real life things comparison to skins

great vid was just wondering where i can watch the content shown in the video @12:34

things you said in the last. minute made me sub and like ya❤ keep up the great work❤️

I like your video coming from a CS only background. You presented and compared the aspects pretty well. However, when it comes to skins and trading, I think there's a dark spot on the CS community I have not seen in any comparison video before: Scamming! It is such an issue, there's content creators out there that make regular videos about the most recent scams and so on, it is such a tragedy IMO. (tho I've never lost anything myself)

I’m with you on a lot of aspects. I play both however I personally can’t stand playing the same 2 maps every single game on cs2 now just like csgo. It’s boring to me because it becomes so repetitive. However, map design, I do lean more towards cs2 for now because they have had that time. But valorant is always changing the maps after they take them out of rotation or even while in rotation. So that’s nice. I like cs2 in certain ways but I can’t get over having to play at 64 tick in the “NEW” cs2 after how long it’s been technically out since it’s more of an update, not a new game. You’d think they would prioritize player experience. But here we are. I also can’t stand the team killing on cs2 because people will troll on purpose after they get flustered from something that happened, and start just damaging you so you die faster, then sometimes out right kill you just because. It becomes ass and toxic. My experience over the years is also that I see way more communication on valorant with talking/pings/quick chat, than I ever have on cs2. I like cs2 but I think riot is doing more for their community than valve has done in 20 years. And it shows.

only unbiased video on this topic i have ever seen everyone says they are unbiased but this is the only one thats actually unbiased

5:44 you can do thaaat? or did the ult just missed you?

That's the most mature comparison i've ever seen, good job.

the foreshadowing is crazy

The one thing i like about csgo is that every player is the same, you dont have certain powers depending on what character you choose, the only thing that matters is how familiar you are with the game. Valorant is a different take on counter strike mechanichs which i really liked, but it hasn't stuck to me as much as cs did. But i have enjoyed both games. But in the end who cares, just play what you want

When in comes to matchmaking, I bet if valorant or any other game for that matter allowed third party matchmaking the flaws of the official matchmaking will be so apparent

Best take, I completely agree w u bruh, this the only one that’s not acc biased

ohne needs to see this,such a good video bro

9:13 What a bad take. ''At least I know what I'm getting'' You know you can just hop on the marketplace and buy a skin where you know what you're getting. And it doesn't matter if you spend 10 cents on a skin or 1000 bucks, you can always just sell the skin once you're done with it... There is no ''pros and cons'' here, Counter Strikes approach is straight up better. Somebody might say ''why would I spend 200 bucks on a cs knife, if I could get it for 50 in Valorant''. Yea buddy, once you spend that 50 bucks on the knife, it has been burned, the money is gone. If I ever want to, I can just sell the cs knife again. You could spend thousands on skins in counter strike, if you ever quit, you can just sell them all. Yes you lose 5% on the transaction fee, but you are getting 95% of your money back!! (not to mention, some skins might go up in price. If I spend thousands on valorant skins, that money has been burned into ashes.

tbh both is a great game

your right in alot of ways but I think Valve Cares But scared to make changes because of the community. So they watch what the community does and tires to fallow it slowly. plus vlave cares more about innovation over anything else EX sub tick.

I gotta say you got it for me. I kinda just play val and didn't mind the cs beef till I watched a short of some cs player shitting on val. Soo I wanted to see what's actually ppls take on "Valorant vs Csgo" xd

"I dont think any of Valorant's maps are bad" Lotus would like to know your location

insightful and well balanced with touches of rationality, especially liked the clothes metaphor, great stuff

waiting for Ohne Pixel to react to this

2:15 "never caught off guard, and easy to counter" he says as he Xray shreds some guy through the floor....

1:24 correction, Skye flash cannot be shot down.

4:57 Good Neon players use her sprint to Bhop

You can bhop and air strafe in valorant but you lose speed when bhoping and yo air strafe you have to add a w input to you d or a but you gain no speed but you could do a 180 way faster. Just add in this to tell people the correct info.

R.I.P CS GO

btw skye flash cant be shot anymore

Honestly I agree with most of this, and I feel like ohnepixel shouldn't have much of a say cuz he doesn't even play valorant, he says it's shit but in reality he never touched it. It really makes no sense to me. Like brother there 2 different games from 2 different companies, you can say the same about Dota 2 and LoL but when I played Dota that was so different that it was even confusing

i have played both and while moreso playtime in cs and recently alot of CS2 i think both games are good for their audiences, valorant appeals more to a class based system and some just like the game for the artstyle, cs has always had the same skillset just varied and changed over the years, movement, everyone has the same util, economy focused (much more than val imo), the movement is my main draw to cs over all the years valorant just doesnt feel the same to me and thats okay thats why i play cs, but valorant is not a bad game because i dont like the movement, both games appeal to separate audiences and if your one of the people who can play both kudos to you! when i play valorant i have fun but then i just miss bhopping so it can be the simplest thing that drives our brains away.

skins. Well, more bassy skin sounds more powerful. Some skins have smaller profile, some skins have better visibility tracers and so on. Some skins just feel heavier. based purely on data it doesnt matter as nothing changes but it does. there was a game with 2 identical guns, except different skins and one of them was more bassy. Community complained that the bassier version was too OP and stats proved that the bassier version had higher kd ratio than the other gun.

Csgos most toxic ranks imo are DMG -Supreme, such large egos and get super mad instantly. Most players give up by the third round, and flame their temamates. My man, we lost pistol round unless the enemy team royally fucks up we rnt supposed to win the next 2, CHILL OUT.

Only a val player would use super models and toddlers in the same comparison, saying the toddlers are still developing into supermodels is creepy asf.

Valorant players don’t shit on CS??? Someone hasn’t watched the last few big events live chat on KZfaq. It’s plagued with Valorant players shit talking CS and trolling saying CS copied valorant

I played valorant at 2 Times on my uncles laptop, my uncle only plays on dust 2 because he claims *I only play on simple maps* but in reality he doesn’t wanna improve, i suck at tactical shooters

Val u cant just sit and have fun u have to go i like its a ranked match no matter what mod u are playing csgo u get on half asleep and have the funnest time ever and no one wdating on without getting bullied on csgo so thats a huge plus

I totaly agree with you.

Honestly, Valorant will always be a NO from me just because of Vanguard. I played it quite a bit during closed beta, and then a few months after launch, and it was pretty fun. Gave me a taste of Siege in the CSGO format, but it always felt wrong and off. I really enjoy the abilities for the most part, but when the shooting and movement feel off, I can't touch it.

replay system to check if good players are legit or just cheating is great in CSGO, Valorant on the other hand literally have no plans on implementing it

5:26 you couldntve picked a better comparison????????

parts of the map take is kinda slow but everything else is pretty true

your aim is so smooth

One big thing for both games is Valorants lack of customization with its view models, and Cs not rewarding players for time investment such as actual good skins, Knives etc. the way their loot box system works where you have to have a key to open them is just dumb.

no cap, I don't want to play a specific character just to have fun on a certain map

Best comparison i’ve seen

1:23 skye's flash cant be shot down

I know you only briefly mentioned it but honestly the edaters in valorant have ruined the reputation of matching names to the point where my gf and I will play valorant with matching names (we've been together for 7 years we're not weird we just play together) and just get harrassed for "being edaters" even though I said literally nothing and she's sitting behind me lmao. Meanwhile matching names in csgo don't even get acknowledgement the majority of the time. I didn't really have a point just wanted to complain lol

I built my first pc during COVID and I tried both games, but valorant was so much better than csgo for me because valorant is so much easier to pick up and my friends who doesn't even play FPS games can hop on and we can have fun, and it runs so much better than csgo and the best thing for me is that after playing for 3 years I have never played against a cheater.

1000 hour immortal valorant and 20 hour cs2 player here. Shooting and movement is so much easier in CS, it feels nice and weighted maybe it’s a function of being in lower lobbies but my god is it so much easier to pop heads vs valorant and that am literally shows with all the high hs % shown at end of games for both teams. That being said is much rather play valorant just because it’s more “fun” and I love the wrinkle of agents and abilities and actually good looking skins. Also the color palette of cs is just so ugly man. It’s also a plus I get to play with friends who are girls. Not trying to grind hundreds of hours with just sweaty dudes and I’ll stand by that

So i have been a CS player but not as fanatic as most people, i have tried Valorant and i like it, but i gotta admit watching ohne quit the video 4 minutes in because it's not biased enough towards csgo really makes you think why people defend cs and Valve so much when Valve themselves don't care most of the time about their fans. It feels like they only care when they want more money or once in a blue moon. Either way nice video gotta say i agree that people should try the other game for 1-2 hours before completly blocking it out their mind and only shit-talk it, people enjoy different things and that is fine and at the end of the day competition brings innovation, if cs was the sole game on top Valve could litterly not do anything all year around (like tf2) and have people praise it while bringing in millions of dollars, having Valorant take some of the market share will hopefully bring more things to both games. Solid video once again.

Agree for the most part. The one thing I will point out is that you can also get what you pay for in cs when it comes to skins. There is alot of skin markets on the internet and also the steam market. There is so many skins these days in cs that surely everyone can find something that they like and is reasonably priced. But good luck getting knives for a good price.

"comparing supermodels with toddlers" That just feels wrong on so many levels

I've been playing cs2 (didnt touch csgo) and the guns just feel so good. I mostly care about if the guns feel good to shoot. I played valorant a year ago and it just wasn't for me. I'll give it another shot because I wasn't too interested when I first played it.

I played valorant my hole unti cs 2,bro the chat restrictions in valorant suck so much, i enjoy cs better bc i get to play the game and don't get restricted after i insult a kid bc doesn't uses flashes

9:16 but can you get that money back? Nope, that shit is gone!

7:22 i South america, everyone in valorant is a pro or trash (even in causal) and in cs it mixed but toxic and chill.

Good video, good points. Personally I like CS just because the movement feels so much better and faster, never really liked VALORANT's base movement but its still an alright game, just not my cup of tea. As for the Riot vs Valve as a company, both have their issues and reasons for being so. Riot has the money and knows their competition so they invest heavily on new content and marketing to compete with established titles. As for Valve, you can't really say that they are just sitting back and watching the money roll in while doing nothing. First, CSGO's meta is well defined content wise, everytime they added a new weapon or slight price change to a gun, the meta was changed heavily. CZ pocket AK update, Revolver madness, Krieg meta. Mini AK was the best pistol in the game, Revolver could do everything and Krieg made the AK obsolete. Valve knows the thin line for updating CS, and while yes they could update the servers or make a better anticheat, they are very silent on what they are working on. Secondly, the amount of people working on a game isn't defined by the higher-ups, but the actual employees themselves. Its why TF2 updates seems like only one guy is doing it and only a handful working on CSGO while DOTA gets updates constantly and more attention is brought to Steamdeck, VR etc etc. Basically what im trying to say is we have no idea when Valve started development on CS2 and how much resources moved from updating CSGO to producing a new counter strike game. For all we know they could have been making a better anti-cheat since 2016 while developing CS2.

for me personally I dont see the point of battle pass skins. the things I like about skins are sounds and relaods. also the reskins are terrible in battle pass

I prefer anti cheat that doesn’t make me disable Windows security features.

You can't shoot sky's bird anymore

I used to love csgo but now l like valorant more cuz i feel like csgo isnt good enough to keep me like valorant.

9:14 crazy play bro, you won this round?

"I don't think anyone should be paying upwards of 100 dollars for a bundle, that's way too expensive" Me: nah their bundles are so expensive, who would buy them -me while playing cs with my blue gem butterfly.

As someone who only plays when I've free time and tried both game I prefer Valorant more than CSGO, when I played CS I feel like I always play with people that been playing the game for 10+ years and it's not really fun for me but when I tried Valorant I've got drawn in the game, while there are obvious smurfs or experienced players in Valorant there are also a lot of new players like me, I can see their levels too so I know who's a veteran and most of the time the matches are much more balanced compared to my experience in CSGO, I play in Asia so it might be a region thing. In Valorant the community is not that harsh than CS from my experience, when I was playing the game I feel like CSGO is not for casual players who just want to play the game and treat it as a game, yes I do somehow understand the toxicity in my CS matches because of course most people would not want someone who's not good at the game on their team but I don't have a lot of free time, I have my priorities in real life too and can't just sit all day and play or practice for 10 years just to be able to compete and I'm not doing that because I'm not going pro or go streaming, there are other things that I need to do or want to do aside from playing all day, I do think that both games are good even if my experience in CSGO is not that good I can say that the game is very good, while I didn't played Counter Strike/ CS that much, the game is still like a family to me because it is very famous especially in internet cafes, I can't imagine an internet cafe without someone playing it, so I hope that CS would continue to be around even in the future, but I'm also glad that there is Valorant because as a casual player it's really good to have a lot of options to play and pass the time.

I agree with the cs skins thing but if I quit cs I can just sell my skins and get some profit but if i quit valorant my money is gone

Debate aside: Those are some sick clips you have in here 🔥🔥 I prefer Valorant over CS, as someone who grew up playing cs1.6. It just feels so much better. I'm not a big fan of the graphics or the agents and the abilities, but the game just feels smoother and better.

I know this video is a month old, but I'd like to point out that subtick 64 tick is more accurate than 128 tick. I prefer CS because it's a more crisp and refined game. Don't like the rng in valorant spraying, don't like the weird abilities (fine with flash/molly/smoke ones), and HATE the tagging system. If you get touched for 1hp in valorant your character suddenly can't move an inch. No possibility of getting away.

I just couldn't imagine buying a skin in a game and it being worthless lmao. My CS inventory is worth 3k and I can literally sell it and just have 3k real dollars.

I play csgo and I have no idea why anyone would spend 1,000 dollars for a knife on either game when you can save it for real things. If I opened a case and got a fade karambit or whatever I would probably just sell it for some real money.

I play both and i prefer the real fps rather than abilities over skills i still play valo when i wanna chill tho

12:18 I guess that why the smurfing problem hasn’t been fixed then

U forgot to mention patterns and flows in skins about csgo