Mythology Expert Reviews Greek & Roman Mythology in Movies (Part 1) | Vanity Fair

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Peter Meineck, Professor of Classics in the Modern World at New York University, reviews Greek and Roman mythology scenes from films including '300,' 'Clash of the Titans,' 'Black Panther,' 'O Brother, Where Art Thou?,' 'Wonder Woman' and 'Hercules.'
00:00 Intro
00:10 '300'
05:59 'Clash of the Titans'
08:47 'Black Panther'
14:45 'O Brother, Where Art Thou?'
17:43 'Wonder Woman'
21:54 'Hercules'
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@AmilGaoulKris
@AmilGaoulKris 2 күн бұрын
Dude graduated in alternative time line.
@Apokathelosis
@Apokathelosis 2 күн бұрын
MA at Wakanda University
@raukoring
@raukoring 3 сағат бұрын
He just dreams about black sausages
@BLaCkKsHeEp
@BLaCkKsHeEp 36 минут бұрын
LMFAO professor over here thinks Wakanda is real 🤣
@eggymayo3271
@eggymayo3271 6 күн бұрын
The absolute reach they made this guy do to get black panther in here 😂😂
@MW_Asura
@MW_Asura 2 күн бұрын
The f*ck does Wakanda have to do with Greek and Roman mythology 😂😂He made a huge reach to try and link those together
@tiestofalljays
@tiestofalljays 2 күн бұрын
Ah Wakanda, the story written in the…checks notes…1960s by two Jewish Men… Hmm.
@MalikIshtarSama
@MalikIshtarSama 2 күн бұрын
oh Metatron destroyed this guy
@killgoretrout9000
@killgoretrout9000 2 күн бұрын
it's easy for an internet grifter like him when the tenured and published Professor has no chance to respond.
@eagle162
@eagle162 Күн бұрын
​@@killgoretrout9000not even a big fan of his but he has no chance to respond because he is an idiot.
@corneliusdobeneck4081
@corneliusdobeneck4081 Күн бұрын
Pretty much ... and he doesn't even point out everything wrong ... wait, that should be a video: "Everythng wrong with the Vanity Video". Count should be pretty high.
@wes9809
@wes9809 2 күн бұрын
The fact this has 62k likes shows he fooled 62k people (or bots). I'm only here thanks to Metatron pointing out all his lies w/ actual sources.
@joemadden4160
@joemadden4160 2 күн бұрын
Myself as well.
@airconditionedrelco7099
@airconditionedrelco7099 2 күн бұрын
kinda sad people listen to these frauds and believe what they are saying without looking into it
@Greenham6603
@Greenham6603 2 күн бұрын
Me too
@RyanG0899
@RyanG0899 2 күн бұрын
Same here. Glad this clown is being called out on lying about history.
@kostaspassias3815
@kostaspassias3815 2 күн бұрын
It's easy to fool people when they want to be fooled. Videos like this play to people's confirmation bias. They want to believe that their ideas actually existed all along so that that they feel vindicated in their insane worldview.
@Jompabompa
@Jompabompa 2 күн бұрын
Its sad that people actually believe what this guy is saying, he is lying and he knows it.
@kueapel911
@kueapel911 Күн бұрын
"Oh finally, I got into the spotlight with a position of authority. Quick, what must I do? Lie for my causes ofc."
@cody0126a
@cody0126a Күн бұрын
He’s an absolute moron and an ideologue.
@tctyt
@tctyt Күн бұрын
Blatant Historical Revisionism, endorsed by the state and it's woke ideologues.
@gigasipke
@gigasipke Күн бұрын
Yep he's an absolute joke, check out metatron for the corrections.
@MariaMiha100
@MariaMiha100 5 күн бұрын
As a Greek, I'm genuinely surprised to hear about Spartans being labeled as bisexual. How do such accusations arise when there's no evidence in our historical records? And please, spare me any claims of superior knowledge on the matter.
@uberpacman02
@uberpacman02 2 күн бұрын
The woke mind virus.
@scorchedearth4248
@scorchedearth4248 2 күн бұрын
This pseudo intellectual calling himself a professor is more than likely a marxist hack that hates European culture.
@JHimminy
@JHimminy 2 күн бұрын
This has more to do with American political correctness than anything classical.
@annkelly0072
@annkelly0072 2 күн бұрын
The accusations arise when a PhD in theater pretends to be a historian to spread his activist agenda. Take it with a very heavy grain of salt, he teaches at NYU which is a clown show.
@scratthesquirrel5242
@scratthesquirrel5242 2 күн бұрын
the woke try to claim things to give themselves legitimacy
@chrisjarvis2287
@chrisjarvis2287 2 күн бұрын
Just watched Metatron over on his channel call this guy out on all the lies in this video. it was amazing.
@lorddiethorn
@lorddiethorn 2 күн бұрын
Same
@Honestly_take_the_hint
@Honestly_take_the_hint 2 күн бұрын
Likewise
@E_Proxy
@E_Proxy 2 күн бұрын
Idem
@Hawk999
@Hawk999 Күн бұрын
Yup!
@alessiosem2238
@alessiosem2238 Күн бұрын
Me too, i was unaware of this new yorker dem spreading lies over roman and greek history to bend it on spreading his political agenda.
@Constantine-316
@Constantine-316 2 күн бұрын
An activist pretending to be a professor
@valuedCustomer2929
@valuedCustomer2929 Күн бұрын
Modern academia
@larymcfart4034
@larymcfart4034 Күн бұрын
​@@valuedCustomer2929 Critical pedagogy is making every degree look more and more useless. To think that STEM is being parasatized by this nonsense is astonishing to me...
@Gabeconstantinemusic
@Gabeconstantinemusic 23 сағат бұрын
He’s also an ignoramus pretending to be an expert. And an outright liar. What a great service to mankind, re-writing history to suit your own personal beliefs.
@user-qo5yr2qf5s
@user-qo5yr2qf5s 13 сағат бұрын
Well said.
@chrisrenthlei821
@chrisrenthlei821 8 сағат бұрын
For real, just a lib fanatic
@keirarcher4091
@keirarcher4091 2 жыл бұрын
“Great bisexual army” 😭 never thought I’d hear that statement ever
@hannibalb8276
@hannibalb8276 2 жыл бұрын
@Seanus Patricus Why do you think it's untrue
@CrisSelene
@CrisSelene 2 жыл бұрын
@Seanus Patricus check this guy out, he thinks he is more informed than an actual professor of classics. Anonimity on the Internet really is a heady drug, huh?
@aesir1ases64
@aesir1ases64 2 жыл бұрын
"serious scholar" .....
@marcosduran4169
@marcosduran4169 2 жыл бұрын
Then you never heard of Thebes sacred band which was made of 150 male couples
@lordseaworth6055
@lordseaworth6055 2 жыл бұрын
@Seanus Patricus Any sources? If you claim something please provide evidence
@henryskalitz9094
@henryskalitz9094 2 күн бұрын
Many of the things he said are wrong and have been debunked. He also let his politics come through instead of just being neutral about the history.
@andyoc
@andyoc 2 күн бұрын
Metatron has cleaned this chap's clock. He's waffling
@iitylernallen
@iitylernallen 3 күн бұрын
Freak literally went on about racism. These people cannot help themselves.
@heldermonteiro2718
@heldermonteiro2718 2 күн бұрын
Everything this guy said is completely nonsense
@pollomollo
@pollomollo 2 күн бұрын
This “historian” is the equivalent of “biologists” claiming men can get pregnant.
@MEDVE1978
@MEDVE1978 2 күн бұрын
Wow, this guy would argue even the vikings were Africans. This is like a parody.
@cstgraphpads2091
@cstgraphpads2091 2 күн бұрын
Go figure a professor of mythology would make some myths of his own.
@eduardmanecuta5350
@eduardmanecuta5350 2 ай бұрын
First of all, 300 is made after a comic book by Frank Miller. It isn't meant to be historically accurate. That's one. And second. They didn't let the diformed guy go with them because he couldn't lift his shield, not simply because he was diformed.
@Tulbeful
@Tulbeful 6 ай бұрын
The wokest video I've seen in a while
@zeusares6186
@zeusares6186 3 ай бұрын
Facts
@mekingtiger9095
@mekingtiger9095 15 сағат бұрын
And now that Metatron just dunked on it, the dislike count i raising to the skies! I'm happy for that.
@xavierg1415
@xavierg1415 5 күн бұрын
Can we get a non-woke expert?!
@Alaplaya9
@Alaplaya9 5 күн бұрын
Sorry, to be an expert you have to know stuff and once you start knowing stuff, you kind of become "woke".
@tiborcsendes5269
@tiborcsendes5269 2 күн бұрын
@@Alaplaya9 Only if you twist that knowledge into some absurd woke nonsense.
@flvflv4712
@flvflv4712 2 күн бұрын
​@@Alaplaya9and to say what've said you must be really ignorant 😂. It's the other way round pal
@Einygmar
@Einygmar 2 күн бұрын
@@Alaplaya9 Not really. There's no inherent "wokeness" in science. Some non-formal\soft scientific disciplines such as social sciences can be "woke" due to the nature the methodologies used in them having more emphasis on interpretation (speculative approach) rather than constructing empirically falsifiable theories. Different schools of thought can have different interpretations. Many of them are present in academia as orthodox and heterodox, some of them are "woke".
@frankvandorp2059
@frankvandorp2059 2 күн бұрын
​@@Alaplaya9 Nah, wokeness mostly means you tell politically preferred lies about certain subjects regardless of the truth, as evidenced by this guy's clueless lecture with its countless factual errors. In academia specifically, wokeness means you become an expert not because you know things, but because you say things. Things that people in positions of power like to hear.
@moenibus
@moenibus 2 күн бұрын
Dear lord, how is this person allowed to spread such ignorance and misinformation? falsehods, slander, nonsense.
@25taylor91
@25taylor91 28 күн бұрын
This fantasy movie based on a comic book is not accurate. Omg no way 😂
@lorddiethorn
@lorddiethorn 2 күн бұрын
Yeah what an waste not to mention there were of an ton of other issues
@him050
@him050 Күн бұрын
It’s also not mythology - it happened 😂
@acaciaramey1215
@acaciaramey1215 Жыл бұрын
Hades is so misunderstood - only Greek god who ever did his job; didn't impregnate a bunch of chicks, was in fact faithful to his wife that he loved (that the other gods had to shift the cosmos to make that romance happen), and actually ferried souls, etc. He's really not a bad dude.
@that_heretic
@that_heretic Жыл бұрын
Same with the Devil in the Bible. Lucifer isn't the bad guy of that story...only the antagonist. Those aren't the same things.
@kittimcconnell2633
@kittimcconnell2633 Жыл бұрын
Not quite faithful, he did have an affair with Menthe. But very misunderstood nowadays; he was not evil. And he didn't trick Persephone; every woman of that culture knew that a man offering her a pomegranate was a marriage proposal, like now if a man were to kneel and hold up a ring.
@acaciaramey1215
@acaciaramey1215 Жыл бұрын
@@that_heretic Very well said.
@bigmonkey1254
@bigmonkey1254 Жыл бұрын
@@that_heretic Uh, Satan attacked God (a very dumb plan to those who know the being) out of jealousy over not being the best thing to exist. When he failed, immediately began to attack God's favorite creation out of spite, twisting the being into the most self-destructive animal imaginable. Satan is a villain. He does everything we imagine of villains and worse. It's best to not associate Hades and Satan at all. Hades is effectively an immortal human who tends to dead souls. Satan is a spiteful, violent being dedicated to deception and corruption in all forms.
@BettyMareeHOHCountry
@BettyMareeHOHCountry Жыл бұрын
Hades and Madusa is misunderstood.
@muz108
@muz108 2 жыл бұрын
I took a class with him when I was at NYU. To this day, still one of my favorite classes. He invests a lot of time with his students. He took on a trip to Barnes and nobles to teach us how to pick our translations. He also took us to the met and taught us how to read the ancient pottery. And he had a theater company and we went and saw them perform Promethus Unbound. He even brought in masks one day and taught us how people used to perform the ancient Greek plays with masks on. He was a really awesome teacher.
@marlonmoncrieffe0728
@marlonmoncrieffe0728 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! I live in New York City and am a student myself and know the importance of both intelligent and charismatic teachers.
@bubbly990
@bubbly990 2 жыл бұрын
How do you pick a good translation - any tips?
@dakotacross1519
@dakotacross1519 Жыл бұрын
im not gonna criticize an ancient culture because mythological takes were off by modern standards... i do however do love their creativity in the universe so theres that
@n.b.l.5709
@n.b.l.5709 Жыл бұрын
Don't care rich boy
@n.b.l.5709
@n.b.l.5709 Жыл бұрын
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 do u go to nyu too ?
@sylvester_stalin1194
@sylvester_stalin1194 Жыл бұрын
"300 is racist" the word doesnt even have meaning anymore because of people like him. Apparently everything is racist😂
@sylvester_stalin1194
@sylvester_stalin1194 Жыл бұрын
@Jordan Sherrington hes an expert in history its just his idea of the world is completely skewed into woke politics. Sad to see with many intellectuals. Its hilarious that he actually cant understand that the persians are portrayed that way because theyre the invading enemies not because theyre brown. This guy is a joke and his insight cant be taken seriously.
@sylvester_stalin1194
@sylvester_stalin1194 Жыл бұрын
@Jordan Sherrington ya lol looking at these comments its like we're the only ones who noticed
@uptown_rider8078
@uptown_rider8078 Жыл бұрын
@Jordan Sherrington You’re 100% correct, it’s clearly anti-White rhetoric and prejudice.
@aidanjanemcintosh6919
@aidanjanemcintosh6919 Күн бұрын
I'm the most racist person in the world because I preferred my blue shoes over my red ones.
@staceygram5555
@staceygram5555 Күн бұрын
Everything except actual racism.
@RyanG0899
@RyanG0899 2 күн бұрын
Metatron sent me here. This guy isn't just a clown he's the whole circus.
@vladimirc422
@vladimirc422 10 ай бұрын
Heavily politicised. Meineck keeps conflating Egypt and Maghreb with subsaharan Africa although they have little to nothing in common besides being on the same continent.
@jjdude00
@jjdude00 2 күн бұрын
seriously, I see the rock landing in like the congo or something, and he's here talking about the european perspective on Egypt and north Africa 🤦‍♂️
@BigBear_all_over
@BigBear_all_over 20 күн бұрын
I don’t believe it’s fair to say that 300 was racist. It was based of a graphic novel and the Persians were hyperbolically depicted as monsters. It’s a fictional adaption of that war.
@ChristopherPomerleau
@ChristopherPomerleau 4 күн бұрын
I wish there was more history and less wokism.
@nonamenamenamenone
@nonamenamenamenone 2 күн бұрын
Another cliche woke professor inserting his politics into everything. Yawn
@darekbaird
@darekbaird 2 күн бұрын
What an insult to all those who enjoy history & learning it. Pathetic.
@Blokewood3
@Blokewood3 2 жыл бұрын
In Wonder Woman, the enmity between the Amazons and Ares is somewhat ironic, because in mythology Ares seems to have been a major patron of the Amazons. The Amazon queens Hippolyta and Penthesileia were daughters of Ares.
@merry_christmas
@merry_christmas 2 жыл бұрын
Wish they'd explored that in the second movie, rather than ruining the impact and strength of the first.
@khartog01
@khartog01 2 жыл бұрын
I just want an explanation on how he killed all the gods. how did he kill Heracles or Athena?
@roseti
@roseti 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, whenever I watch WW I always get bothered by that.
@alm2187
@alm2187 2 жыл бұрын
We may prove a trend of Black Panther and Wonder Woman writers ripping each other off. How far back does that date?
@Blokewood3
@Blokewood3 2 жыл бұрын
@@alm2187 What does Black Panther have to do with any of this? I'm not even sure why the expert talked about it. It has nothing to do with Greek Mythology, and in the film, Wakanda is clearly in central Africa, nowhere close to the Mediterranean.
@metallicoctopus2037
@metallicoctopus2037 8 күн бұрын
Does this guy actually like the people he studies? He seems VERY anti-Greek and anti-European. Almost like its politically charged or something. Like, why on Earth is he talking about Jan 6th in the middle of a video on Greek and Roman mythology? The same question can be asked of why they included Black Panther in this video, its neither Greek, Roman, Mediterranean or actual mythology. Its almost like they needed a movie that didn't include people that look European.
@eggymayo3271
@eggymayo3271 6 күн бұрын
Exactly
@Alaplaya9
@Alaplaya9 5 күн бұрын
1: I don't think he selected the material he was asked to talk about and 2: Can you explain how he is "anti-Greek" or "anti-European"?
@frankvandorp2059
@frankvandorp2059 2 күн бұрын
@@Alaplaya9 You seriously think he talked about January 6th because the interviewers asked him to? And even if so, his statement connecting J6 with Sparta was an embarrassing reach that would reflect poorly on any academic, so why didn't he refuse?
@playedit0ut290
@playedit0ut290 15 минут бұрын
Short answer, wokeness.
@boudebond
@boudebond 2 күн бұрын
I hope he is not that political in his teachings cause that would be a shame.
@thomgizziz
@thomgizziz 2 күн бұрын
of course he is.
@user-ov6kj1li3j
@user-ov6kj1li3j Күн бұрын
Lol, what do you think? This guy is an activist, not a teacher
@rubythroatedsparrow1
@rubythroatedsparrow1 2 жыл бұрын
I took Professor Meineck's class on Performing Homer in college. And then I took it again, just because who wouldn't want to listen to him talk for an entire year? In one lecture he announced that cheesemaking was "the ultimate example of human-animal symbiosis," and I've thought of that probably every week since.
@paullynch4021
@paullynch4021 2 жыл бұрын
"Blessed are the cheese makers" Monty Python!
@romanevanhakendover8916
@romanevanhakendover8916 2 жыл бұрын
Would you have a source or an article that he possibly wrote ? that would interest me !
@DrWhom
@DrWhom 2 жыл бұрын
And you never noticed he does not know what he's talking about. This is what is known in the trade as the Dr Fox effect.
@lindgrenland
@lindgrenland 2 жыл бұрын
@@DrWhom That's actually interesting, if true. You mean his compelling "storytelling skills" and charisma (or whatever) are substituting an accurate interpretation / real insight into this subject?
@2007words
@2007words 2 жыл бұрын
Now I will too! Thank you for sharing that!
@trayambakchakravarty
@trayambakchakravarty 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a second part of this with him, he was really superb!
@adolfopatron236
@adolfopatron236 2 жыл бұрын
Fully agree! What an amazing story teller / explainer
@undercross81
@undercross81 2 жыл бұрын
What movie would you like him to check out?
@peredhilh3444
@peredhilh3444 2 жыл бұрын
I would like a second video too, it'll be interesting to hear his take on Wrath of the Titans and 300 Rise of an empire.
@denshewman
@denshewman 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! And love that they covered Panther and other non-Greek/Roman mythologies
@trayambakchakravarty
@trayambakchakravarty 2 жыл бұрын
I would absolutely love to see some Asian or African myths explored like Indian, Japanese, Chinese and others! They're fascinating worlds.
@Shadowkey392
@Shadowkey392 2 күн бұрын
How gullible were you Vanity Fair people?
@ettinakitten5047
@ettinakitten5047 10 сағат бұрын
Less gullible than the Metatron fanboys, clearly.
@christerjakobsen8107
@christerjakobsen8107 2 сағат бұрын
@@ettinakitten5047 Metatron brought receipts, did you?
@AD-df5tm
@AD-df5tm Жыл бұрын
It's funny how Sparta has become this idealized place in modern times because it fully would have suuuuuuucked to live there haha. I remember in one of my college classes on ancient Greece some classmate asked if there is a modern equivalent of Sparta and the professor spent the next 10 min or so breaking down how, yes, there is a modern equivalent and it's called North Korea. lol
@vanyadolly
@vanyadolly Жыл бұрын
It's the same thing with Vikings. One of the most tolerant societies with extensive freedoms and rights of women is now idealized as some kind of ultra-matcho utopia.
@connorconnor7536
@connorconnor7536 Жыл бұрын
Actually the spartan women had more rights than the athenian democratic women, and they were more respected
@thetruerift
@thetruerift Жыл бұрын
Never forget all the slaves that actually made Sparta function.
@blkcasper392OG
@blkcasper392OG Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@shykorustotora
@shykorustotora 11 ай бұрын
The funniest thing is that 9/10 people who think "Yeah, I would have been a badass Spartan!" probably would have died during the Agoge and never made it to adulthood :P
@renwigley9721
@renwigley9721 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to hear his thoughts on "Troy" the movie, and how that fits in with other interpretations of Achillies and Petrocles
@MoxHex
@MoxHex 2 жыл бұрын
I hear they were roommates.
@Gemstones1000
@Gemstones1000 2 жыл бұрын
@@MoxHex they. Were. *_Roomates_* .
@jasonofathens2254
@jasonofathens2254 2 жыл бұрын
Patroclus
@KS-xk2so
@KS-xk2so 2 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure the original texts were actually unclear on their relationship. Later telling's had them as lovers, and then not again, based on what was the social norm at the time.
@platosfriend
@platosfriend 2 жыл бұрын
@@KS-xk2so Yes, the original Odyssey never explicitly describes them as lovers, but it does describe them as extremely close. It’s not a stretch to imagine they were lovers, was quite common and accepted in Ancient Greece.
@timelesswisdom.
@timelesswisdom. Жыл бұрын
The snake on a stick is the rod of Asclepius a god of medicine
@DefenestrateYourself
@DefenestrateYourself Ай бұрын
2 snakes = Caduceus. 1 snake = Asclepius
@Kagarin05
@Kagarin05 29 күн бұрын
5:35 I actually feel this is just his pandering opinion. There's no way Spartan society would look at physical disabilities with anything but disdain given everything we know about them . . Wonder if there'll be other woke topics for the rest of the video and we're only 5 1/2 minutes in
@frankvandorp2059
@frankvandorp2059 2 күн бұрын
This guy does not explain mythology, he rewrites it to better fit his own 21st Century political narratives.
@zainabapollo
@zainabapollo 2 жыл бұрын
oh my gosh, i loved peter's explanation of greek and roman mythology. it's something i studied in school and even considered getting a masters in! his approach is so easy and digestible with honesty that links to todays world. please bring him back!!
@pasta-and-heroin
@pasta-and-heroin 2 жыл бұрын
you're totally right mate. i was thinking the exact same thing when he explained the gender division between earth & olympus - i'd never had it explained quite like that. fuckin brilliant
@kenbear580
@kenbear580 2 жыл бұрын
@@pasta-and-heroin yea
@SuicidalBastard
@SuicidalBastard 2 күн бұрын
U guys need to watch metatron almost everything he says its a lie and not backed by evidence... sadly
@datcheesecakeboi6745
@datcheesecakeboi6745 2 күн бұрын
oh how poorly this has aged...
@staceygram5555
@staceygram5555 Күн бұрын
Almost everything he said was false, though. He's not a professor, he's an activist.
@spyrofrost9158
@spyrofrost9158 2 күн бұрын
Wow... so much misinformation in one video. Guess he is a professor so that checks out
@conm87
@conm87 Күн бұрын
The shield is an ‘aspis’ or a ‘hoplon’ - a hoplite is the name of the armoured soldier
@catherinethorstenberg8957
@catherinethorstenberg8957 20 күн бұрын
“Spartan soldiers were very much into each other” An excellent choice of words
@elitefencer777
@elitefencer777 10 күн бұрын
Yessss, but also noooo. It's worth it for the joke, but it's important to remember that Spartans weren't bisexual as a matter of open-mindedness, but because they were catamites brought up in a society that expected the older to victimize the younger.
@wes9809
@wes9809 2 күн бұрын
Metatron breaks this down. Don't fall for the lies.
@thomgizziz
@thomgizziz 2 күн бұрын
@@elitefencer777 Yes but it isn't as wide spread as this dude is trying to pretend it is. This "professor" is trying to rewrite history and pretend that his feelings are facts instead of just stuff he made up and feels strongly about them being true with no evidence.
@ceejay1476
@ceejay1476 Күн бұрын
@@elitefencer777 Current day traditions in afghanistan where they grape little boys come to mind.
@mattisairanen9566
@mattisairanen9566 2 жыл бұрын
I think a point in 300 that’s often missed, that explains as lot of the historical inaccuracies, is that the whole story is in fact a retelling of the events of the story by the guy who lost his eye and was sent off to tell their tale, so the unreliable narrator is kind of built into the story.
@Charlzton
@Charlzton 2 жыл бұрын
And he only saw half of it ;)
@TheSquad4life
@TheSquad4life 2 жыл бұрын
well the movie itself is based a comic strip/ graphic novel not entirely on the actual retelling
@ezjean.1280
@ezjean.1280 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, lots of people kind of forget that and that's actually what make the movie so great.
@atomiccritter6492
@atomiccritter6492 2 жыл бұрын
@@ezjean.1280 its a terrible movie because of those inaccuracies and full on bs
@atomiccritter6492
@atomiccritter6492 2 жыл бұрын
in short its a copout and bs
@berouja
@berouja 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely loved the last point he made about myths and fidelity. Stories are made richer by allowing it to be influenced by the zeitgeist.
@wendel5868
@wendel5868 2 жыл бұрын
I had a teacher in college who used to say that myths and tradition has the job of making their origins forgotten. We should only see the message, and to learn and be in wonder with the stories, not search for the person who wrote it or 'made it all up' many centuries before.
@michaelgrimm2121
@michaelgrimm2121 2 жыл бұрын
This man is an idiot, and he is obviously seeing everything though an agenda.
@bg_9112
@bg_9112 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with him and you but only in part. The idea that a story should grow is definitely something that should happen BUT it should not be done at the expense of the original. Adding, improving, expanding and making more inclusive is different to perversion and bastardisation, which unfortunately seems to be the trend in the modern age.
@thehappy_spearman1389
@thehappy_spearman1389 2 күн бұрын
No it shouldn't mythology is the stories of one's core culture a link to our past, they shouldn't change due to modern whims and fancies, the only reason this charlatan even brought that point up was to validate his political tribalism takeover of mythology and national legends.
@MW_Asura
@MW_Asura 2 күн бұрын
"Fidelity" - How ironic, considering much of what he said has anything but fidelity towards the subjects in question
@TheCount01
@TheCount01 2 күн бұрын
Expert? 😂
@proto566
@proto566 Күн бұрын
Expert liar 👹
@jakubjary9052
@jakubjary9052 2 күн бұрын
Orwell: if you control the past, you control present time
@ZOB4
@ZOB4 2 жыл бұрын
There is no way the Coen brothers created O Brother, Where Art Thou? while being completely unaware of The Odyssey - I don't believe that for a second.
@KeyDash753
@KeyDash753 2 жыл бұрын
Homer even has a writing credit on the film. Even if the Coen Brothers claim it was independent, their lawyers disagreed. I could buy some elements being coincidence, but others (like John Goodman having an eye patch) are pretty hard to brush off.
@mustardsfire22
@mustardsfire22 2 жыл бұрын
I think they were aware of it, they just hadn't read it. They were going off the knowledge they had accumulated through the zeitgeist. I've heard Tim Blake Nelson talk about how it was on set with him being the only person who'd actually read it and he thought it was interesting.
@cyn5422
@cyn5422 2 жыл бұрын
They weren't unaware of it. They said they were aware of it, as much as anyone is, through pop culture, but hadn't actually read the book.
@apg13997
@apg13997 2 жыл бұрын
@@KeyDash753 Wait, why was there a need of lawyers being involved in this? Homer's works are very firmly in the public domain.
@KeyDash753
@KeyDash753 2 жыл бұрын
@@apg13997 True, I often forget about the public domain thing. Still, even if there's no need to pay royalties or anything like that, they'd still want to give credit when it's an adaption and not original.
@miaomiaochan
@miaomiaochan 2 жыл бұрын
As a Greek mythology enthusiast, I initially clicked to see the professor point out all of the many inaccuracies in Disney's Hercules, but I'm glad I watched the whole thing for all of the knowledge and valuable historical insights he offered.
@winklenator
@winklenator Жыл бұрын
Lol would you expect Disney to make a children’s movie about actual mythology?
@thesovietvorona1007
@thesovietvorona1007 Жыл бұрын
@@winklenator *laughs in the upcoming Percy Jackson series with God’s including Zeus having spawns with mortals like mythos*
@weybye91
@weybye91 Жыл бұрын
you mean that the expert have no clue what propraganda is, and are useing wokeist terms because he cant understand that the old world werent like ours
@sonofcronos7831
@sonofcronos7831 Жыл бұрын
​@@thesovietvorona1007 but in Percy Jackson for some reason they portray demigods as being necessary for the universe... like, the gods really need to have sons in order to save themselves and also humanity. In greek mythology there is nothing of this sort, demigods are born because the gods are lusty and also because royal houses liked to portray themselves as divine. So yeah, Disney can easily push aside the luxury of gods (as is in mythology) by claiming is all for the "good of the world" like the percy books claims.
@shelbiedawn8868
@shelbiedawn8868 Ай бұрын
So did I lol
@avacornthelastponybender8583
@avacornthelastponybender8583 15 күн бұрын
M. Night Shyamalan's The Last Airbender was more faithful source material than Disney's Hercules 🙄
@Ostsol
@Ostsol 2 күн бұрын
Greek and Roman mythology. Black Panther. What?
@raukoring
@raukoring 3 сағат бұрын
Political activism
@apokos8871
@apokos8871 2 жыл бұрын
the shield is called a Hoplon, not a Hoplite. Hoplite means "soldier that carries a Hoplon"
@NefariousKoel
@NefariousKoel 2 жыл бұрын
I can't take this guy too seriously after some of his takes in this video.
@djehuti3
@djehuti3 2 жыл бұрын
the shield is called an aspis. Hoplon means gear in a general sense.
@apokos8871
@apokos8871 2 жыл бұрын
@@djehuti3 aspis and hoplon are used interchangeably to mean shield
@Shippo28
@Shippo28 2 жыл бұрын
@Seanus Patricus right!
@marxwasright25
@marxwasright25 Жыл бұрын
@Seanus Patricus why
@myman5472
@myman5472 2 жыл бұрын
Regarding 300, I always thought persians were described in that fashion because Dilios is telling the story. He has embelished the story to boost the moral of the troops that are about to fight in the battle of Plataea.
@MsKym4
@MsKym4 2 жыл бұрын
What a great analysis!
@myman5472
@myman5472 2 жыл бұрын
@@MsKym4 Yeah I mean, the story isn't meant to be taken as a historical account of the facts but as an embelished account of them within the story, as propaganda. The sequel tones down quite a bit the exageration of the persians becase now, even though the main focus of the story is portraying the greeks as heroes and follows the story of Themistocles we are shown Xerxes story prior transformation and we can empathize with him and his struggle a bit more, the same goes for Artemisia's story.
@christopherjohnson6524
@christopherjohnson6524 Жыл бұрын
300 is based on Frank Miller's graphic novel
@stefanburns3797
@stefanburns3797 Жыл бұрын
He’s a college professor. If he doesn’t say something is racist he doesn’t get tenure
@thepubknight6144
@thepubknight6144 Жыл бұрын
@@myman5472 hes right about the persians they were african ,asian, and arabic looking
@johnspence5689
@johnspence5689 15 күн бұрын
Didn’t know you were an expert on racism, shoulda put that in the title
@ainamaree
@ainamaree Күн бұрын
I just finished watching Metatron's reaction to this video and came here to check out the comments section. 😂
@ettinakitten5047
@ettinakitten5047 10 сағат бұрын
Hope you're not gullible enough to believe Metatron's drivel, lol.
@christerjakobsen8107
@christerjakobsen8107 2 сағат бұрын
@@ettinakitten5047 You sure are everywhere in the comments trying to do damage control.
@ozzyisthirsty8105
@ozzyisthirsty8105 2 жыл бұрын
Laughed so hard at the point he made about Spartans being bisexual and the fact that on Jan 6 people were dressing up as Spartans and being totally oblivious
@SH19922x
@SH19922x 2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, Jan 6 riots that were led in by the fbi which is a proven fact, where a 60 year old woman who got directed through doors by the fbi ends up getting shot point blank in the head by a black police who had time to disengage but committed murder nonetheless but you all cheered for literal convicted peds chasing down a 16 year old kid with guns and wanted him locked up for defending himself and society. Yous stood up for Floydy who used to hold pregnant ladies up at gunpoint and Rob them 🤣 And they are the least worst out of them. Burning down cities ,people, homes, pets, stores, cars every thing because you're all sadistic terror rats who need to be put away.
@SH19922x
@SH19922x 2 жыл бұрын
@@S-bl1df Facts always hurt you dimwits. That's only just the widely televised and reported on atrocities that yous commit regularly. Jussie smollet is your actual hero and the toughest dude in your ranks 🥴 just embarrasing
@FullmetalPain
@FullmetalPain 2 жыл бұрын
@@SH19922x Are you a farmer? Or why all the straw men?
@teencowboyfan
@teencowboyfan 2 жыл бұрын
@@SH19922x whoa, comments like this is why we desperately need to invest in mental health
@cleverusername9369
@cleverusername9369 2 жыл бұрын
@@SH19922x just say you hate black people, already. Good God you have gone down some rabbit holes. You probably believe the earth is flat and birds aren't real if you believe the nonsense you just spewed. You people are literally the only ones talking about Jussie Smollet, nobody but idiots like you even remotely care about him.
@itsmachus
@itsmachus 2 жыл бұрын
I love how he points out that African mythology and tales influenced Greek and Roman mythology. I also love how literally no one is talking about it 😂
@dreadboyz9688
@dreadboyz9688 2 жыл бұрын
Right
@dreadboyz9688
@dreadboyz9688 2 жыл бұрын
Ain’t no one saying nuthin
@TheWrldIsSquare
@TheWrldIsSquare 2 жыл бұрын
I hate how true this is... honestly came to the comments solely to see what people thought about this.
@polzzza
@polzzza 2 жыл бұрын
Well, it's not that unusual of one culture to influence another culture. It's kinda normal even, so what's a matter.
@dariussonofjazzlin7433
@dariussonofjazzlin7433 2 жыл бұрын
People who are interested in this and people who study this are generally aware of this. The roots of myth of and religious thought will inevitably find their way back to the most ancient civilisations.
@musicophrenia
@musicophrenia Күн бұрын
Shield called "hoplite"....yes professor
@sanmerci
@sanmerci Жыл бұрын
Peter Mienick- love his disclaimer at the end, where he basically says that mythology is STILL alive and changing, and that is good. I used to teach a high school mythology class, and I always enjoyed teaching what I'd learned, but also suggesting ways in which those myths might be represented today and how they might have changed without losing validity.
@thomgizziz
@thomgizziz 2 күн бұрын
But those myths are in the past and you can let your imagination run wild about how they would exist in our time but you don't start pretending like your changes are historical fact. This dude has perverted history and is trying to mix in his political ideology and is lying to people.
@nedbigby9694
@nedbigby9694 Күн бұрын
I love the part where he showed how his class is a scam, and he has no real knowledge of what he speaks of.
@Car_Fanatic
@Car_Fanatic 2 жыл бұрын
Peter you are a true scholar. You talk with such confidence and ease. You are a role model historian/scholar/professor. Please invite him again. Vanity fair I like your content more than GQ who has a similar series. Much respect to you. I have never learned so much in your videos or GQs like this one. Really ty Peter for coming
@mphomalekane6166
@mphomalekane6166 2 жыл бұрын
This guy is a beautiful story teller, and a lover of old stories.. I agree with you M D. Peter needs to come back
@Sam034
@Sam034 2 жыл бұрын
Wish I had professors like him, holy crap.
@oliviabonon902
@oliviabonon902 2 жыл бұрын
Yes invite him again!
@justindaniels411
@justindaniels411 2 жыл бұрын
are you in love with him lol
@DrWhom
@DrWhom 2 жыл бұрын
confidence and ease, but not a lot of knowledge. The Dr Fox effect claims another victim!
@TheSwiftFX
@TheSwiftFX 2 жыл бұрын
Probably the best episode I've watched. Absolutely loved his assessment on the "disabled" in the ancient world, and the representation of those in film as distrusteful.
@bg_9112
@bg_9112 2 жыл бұрын
As a general statement it is accurate but in the example he used Ephialtes was only initially met with hostility by the Spartans. King Leonidas actually welcomes him and, despite his disabilities, he gives him the opportunity to fight (in a way). He explained why he could not fight as an able bodied Spartan could and that he would be a weakness to the Phalanx. It's Ephialtes turning on Sparta that brands him a traitor, not his disabilities or any prejudice on the side of the Spartans.
@DrWhom
@DrWhom 2 жыл бұрын
he gets a lot wrong, though. like, a _lot_
@TheSwiftFX
@TheSwiftFX 2 жыл бұрын
@@DrWhom it would be fab if you could highlight these instead of just calling him wrong. I'm sure there's a lot of academic debate going on
@bn-tc2tk
@bn-tc2tk 2 жыл бұрын
@@DrWhom you do know the 300 movie is basically complete fiction, right?
@alexnorth3393
@alexnorth3393 2 жыл бұрын
@@guyincognito8440 Weak arguement.
@frankvandorp2059
@frankvandorp2059 2 күн бұрын
If you can't talk about mythology for a few minutes without starting about January 6th, your world is microscopically tiny and you are effectively in a cult, unable to have thoughts that are not about the three or four obsessions the cult teaches you to obsess over.
@Flyingtart
@Flyingtart 2 күн бұрын
Happy to see Metatron making a video about this. A lot of anachronistic political horsecrap that sadly goes to the big audience.
@GreatGhastly_
@GreatGhastly_ 2 жыл бұрын
I don't wanna correct the expert so I won't, but the creation myth the Greeks held ( as I was told it) was that Zeus and Prometheus created Man together and afterwards Prometheus, loving his creation so much gave fire to mankind which angered Zeus, which in turn led to Prometheus being chained to a mountain and having his liver eaten every day. So Idk, maybe the professor has a different version that he studies/teaches.
@praisethesunn6541
@praisethesunn6541 2 жыл бұрын
This is exactly the comment I was looking for. I mean… he’s the expert but as far as I’m concerned that’s the gist of it. Zeus was bored so decided to create beings which he could lord over, so asked Prometheus to bake them out of clay and so on. It’s a great story as it is but it deprives the professor of an opportunity to make a trite comment on gender politics. Again, I might be wrong on that one but his constant interpretation of details through the lens of a tiktok cringe compilation drove me a little mental.
@EdwardLindon
@EdwardLindon Жыл бұрын
Nice apophasis. But the expert is correct: none of the many extant Ancient Greek sources have Zeus creating humans.
@EdwardLindon
@EdwardLindon Жыл бұрын
@@praisethesunn6541 You certainly were looking for it. But you're not "mental", just a bit gammony.
@ryangriggs5288
@ryangriggs5288 Жыл бұрын
Also I thought Zeus told Hephaestus to create Pandora for Epimetheus to fall in love with her. Pandora was made to be curious so opened up Pandora’s box to release evil on mankind or something like that. Don’t think the expert was correct on this (I just love this specific story I am no where near an expert on Greek mythology).
@normalhuman9878
@normalhuman9878 Жыл бұрын
There are many versions of these myths and none of them are truly “correct” because myths change over time, especially ones that were spread as part of a religion
@travisshooks7374
@travisshooks7374 2 жыл бұрын
Jan 6th, bisexual and racism all in the first 3 minutes. We’re on a roll here
@Gray777333
@Gray777333 2 жыл бұрын
Yah but to be fair he did get one right. They were bisexual, but he forgot the whole pedophile part of it
@uptown_rider8078
@uptown_rider8078 Жыл бұрын
That’s already three checked off for woke bingo
@MW_Asura
@MW_Asura 2 күн бұрын
Don't worry, there's more lmao
@dt1458
@dt1458 15 күн бұрын
this guy clearly doesn’t know the medusa myth or is purposely misrepresenting it
@TingTong2568
@TingTong2568 7 күн бұрын
This guy missed the point no country and civilization can survive remaining in isolation.
@aakla
@aakla 2 жыл бұрын
I could be mistaken but I think 300 isn't about the 300 it's about the story the one eyed dude told people about the last stand of the 300, that's why it's exaggerated so much. To hype up the spartans.
@thetruerift
@thetruerift 2 жыл бұрын
One thing that needs to be mentioned whenever Sparta is mentioned they could be professional soldiers because of the THOUSANDS OF SLAVES they had. The ratio of slaves to spartans was something like 7:1.
@memegalodon4522
@memegalodon4522 2 күн бұрын
I see the title of expert is very loose nowadays.
@andremoreiracosta6319
@andremoreiracosta6319 Ай бұрын
The movie 300 is based on a comic book, not a historical book, that’s why there is so many “non accurate” info there
@cronchybo
@cronchybo Ай бұрын
that makes a lot of sense
@lorddiethorn
@lorddiethorn 2 күн бұрын
@@cronchyboyeah which why you really shouldn’t not used in historical studies nor black panther. This guy is an massive hypocrite
@elianadrew1964
@elianadrew1964 2 жыл бұрын
It was really interesting including the Marvel movie angle. I had thought everything about the Marvel myths was made up. It was great seeing how there was some tradition to those stories.
@potatogaming7044
@potatogaming7044 2 жыл бұрын
You thought that Thor was made up, by marvel?
@Salted_Fysh
@Salted_Fysh 2 жыл бұрын
@@potatogaming7044 the way he and the rest of the Pantheon are depicted? Yeah, that's mostly pure fiction and has little to do with what little we know of nordic mythology.
@elianadrew1964
@elianadrew1964 2 жыл бұрын
@@potatogaming7044 I thought the Themyscira legends were made up, I did know about Thor.
@KS-xk2so
@KS-xk2so 2 жыл бұрын
What's interesting is the conversation around how comic books and the idea of heroes/villains with super powers, have kind of become the modern version of mythology, without the religious overtones.
@Salted_Fysh
@Salted_Fysh 2 жыл бұрын
@@KS-xk2so well, mythology itself is not inherently tied to religion. A mythos is a tale or story that is passed along through several iterations of retelling. Historically that would be word of mouth but there are also modern Mythos in the age of print. Slenderman or Cthulhu for example are two examples of modern Mythos. A Mythos can and usually does contain lessons of a cultural, societal or religious nature but that is not entirely necessary. So yes, comic books are a form of Mythos creation but they aren't the only one in modern times. Sidedig: Captain America for example is the Mythos of US American (moral) superiority by way of utilizing a literal Übermensch representing supposed patriotic values.
@kalebabalan2938
@kalebabalan2938 2 жыл бұрын
Professor Meineck will now go right up there with Erik Singer for must watch "experts break down" content. This is by far one of the best episodes of this style show across all producers. I particularly appreciated his commentary on the fidelity discourse at the end of the video, as well as his careful attention to the way the modern tellings handle the different cultures.
@Ascalis1
@Ascalis1 2 жыл бұрын
Erik Singer taught me things about accents I never knew I didn't know. Same thing with this guy and history/mythology.
@tonyriemenschneider8745
@tonyriemenschneider8745 2 жыл бұрын
What video did Singer do?
@kalebabalan2938
@kalebabalan2938 2 жыл бұрын
@@tonyriemenschneider8745 He has like 10+ across various channels breaking down accents.
@nedbigby9694
@nedbigby9694 Күн бұрын
This professor is an absolute joke, an activist before historian.
@proto566
@proto566 Күн бұрын
Sir. U got completly fooled by this fraud 😅
@petrilofberg1758
@petrilofberg1758 2 күн бұрын
What does black panther have To do with greek and roman mythology?
@user-ov6kj1li3j
@user-ov6kj1li3j Күн бұрын
Greek and Roman mythology is total fantasy, just like any achievements of blacks
@wolvves4293
@wolvves4293 Ай бұрын
300 was based on the graphic novel, not history. And the reason why the Persians are depicted the way they are is because the narrator in the film is a Spartan that returned to Sparta to tell the rest of Greece what had happened to gather support. He demonized them so that they would appear evil and non-human.
@balletshoes
@balletshoes Ай бұрын
Indeed and this was a very popular tactic in antiquity.
@TrixieMatteI
@TrixieMatteI 12 күн бұрын
Nothing he said goes against that though. He's simply stating that Persians were misportrayed, and they were.
@bewawolf19
@bewawolf19 2 күн бұрын
@@TrixieMatteI No, he calls it racist and problematic depiction when it isn't racist in the slightest. The same professor also in the same video makes the exceptionally bigoted assertion that if your race doesn't match the culture you are knowledgeable on, you can't teach people so I don't see why we should stretch his claim and assume he wasn't acting in bad faith as it clearly is.
@lorddiethorn
@lorddiethorn 2 күн бұрын
@@TrixieMatteIlol you clearly are an foolish. He should know this and tell you but you defend the immoral person because you are sheep
@lynettra7818
@lynettra7818 2 жыл бұрын
i could listen to this man talk all day. i was a classics major and his analyses of Black Panther and Wonder Woman were extremely compelling. this is actually, now, my favorite VF Expert Review.
@IAmTheDawn
@IAmTheDawn 9 ай бұрын
A classics major? So you're unemployed at the moment?
@DylanBarrell66
@DylanBarrell66 8 ай бұрын
Its a bot
@batteredwarrior
@batteredwarrior Күн бұрын
He talks nonsense. Very little of what he says is backed by historical evidence.
@tortaahogada9685
@tortaahogada9685 2 жыл бұрын
Persians looked like twisted monsters because, as we see at the end of the movie, it is a story been told to inspire the Spartan army, so they would exaggerate to fantasy some details to hype the warriors
@hansjacobhjelm4248
@hansjacobhjelm4248 Жыл бұрын
300 is based on a comic made prior to internet knowledge , hence it,s a story told by one to share a glimpse into another world and toold through the charm of an individual
@clf400
@clf400 Жыл бұрын
Not like we didn’t know this all before the Internet you moron
@thatdinho
@thatdinho Ай бұрын
This guy is such a lib
@scifoncra6376
@scifoncra6376 2 жыл бұрын
talks about Mythology. uses the term "Herkules" for the GREEK HERO. Not Herakles. Until he does. Weird decision there. Could've mentioned that Hades didn't have those two "imps". Those were Ares's. also uses the term "african" like it encompasses the whole continent, but then Greek and Roman for respective mediterranean people. also forgot to mention that greeks respected snakes and believed them to be connect to healing, hence why it's in the medical symbols. Athena's animal was also the snake, not just the owl.
@redbeardreturns3550
@redbeardreturns3550 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!! Also isn't the snake in medical symbols a reference to "koondalini" idk how to spell it.
@nanushka
@nanushka Жыл бұрын
I think this expert doesn't know '300' is based in a comic book / graphic novel. The movie is almost identical and very graphical. It's not meant to be historically accurate by any means
@thomgizziz
@thomgizziz 2 күн бұрын
Well the "expert" isn't historically accurate by any means... he says a bunch of lies in service of his political beliefs.
@noahgiven8189
@noahgiven8189 Жыл бұрын
My one complaint is that this man is ignoring that 300 was a propaganda story that the only surviving spartan warrior is telling to a united army to inspire them and the last thing you do when you want soldiers to kill is humanize their foes.
@DmT922ha
@DmT922ha 2 күн бұрын
What a clown..
@fairdose
@fairdose 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to hear the professor's perspective on "Alexander" esp. Alexander's campaign in India and the connection between Ancient Greece and India, given that many of Alexander's soldiers stayed on in present-day Pakistan.
@antoniousai1989
@antoniousai1989 2 жыл бұрын
That's history. Not mythos.
@bringyourownheart
@bringyourownheart 2 жыл бұрын
@@antoniousai1989 a Professor of "Classics" is the study of classical antiquity - that is the period of cultural history between the 8th century BC and 6th century AD of which "Alexander" does falls into...obvs not for this video.
@dimipartcaster7770
@dimipartcaster7770 2 жыл бұрын
Greco Persian war wasn't mythos either.
@vintheguy
@vintheguy 2 жыл бұрын
@@antoniousai1989 History and mythology are usually closely entwined
@marlonmoncrieffe0728
@marlonmoncrieffe0728 2 жыл бұрын
But that's not a myth.
@JRec-ql5fc
@JRec-ql5fc 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair, 300 is based on a graphic novel, which is obviously a very stylistic type of comic. Alas it’s based in history but it partially explains why certain liberties were taken in regards to the supernatural elements.
@ciaranjones9449
@ciaranjones9449 2 жыл бұрын
@amirali khatame I always thought the point of 300 was telling the story of the battle through the eyes of an ancient Greek. During the Persian wars, they were extremely xenophobic towards the Persians, and so 300 portrays them as alien and effeminate - the way ancient Greeks during the Persian wars saw them. It also portrays the Persian army as huge and the Greek army as very small, which is meant to show the great discipline and martial prowess that ancient Greeks thought they had. I think 300 is an interesting take on historiography in movies. It's essentially an extremely nationalistic film like Pearl Harbour or The Patriot, but the audience is meant to be ancient Greek people instead of modern Americans, none of whom are alive today.
@SkullAngel002
@SkullAngel002 2 жыл бұрын
@J. Rec Exactly. I don't understand why this professor is getting bent out of shape. Sounds like he wasn't told this movie was based on a graphic novel, which itself is all about visual drama to sell box office tickets, nor does director Zack Snyder claim this movie to be complete or partially historically accurate. Otherwise, the professor should just watch a History Channel/PBS/Nat Geo documentary about Sparta with accurate dramatic reenactments. He also contradicts himself at 24:55 by talking about the "Fidelity Discourse", basically saying he doesn't subscribe to the idea that a story has to be told accurately to the myth (or original story) and that changes are welcome because it comes down to the performance and audience reception (you know, like how Zack Snyder's 300 was told and many people liking it).
@JRec-ql5fc
@JRec-ql5fc 2 жыл бұрын
@@SkullAngel002 well said.
@JRec-ql5fc
@JRec-ql5fc 2 жыл бұрын
@@ciaranjones9449 interesting!
@atomiccritter6492
@atomiccritter6492 2 жыл бұрын
@@SkullAngel002 Just because someone doesnt claim historical accuracy IF a film is made about an historical event it SHOULD be historically accurate unless you CLEARLY state otherwise. 300 was bs
@durzod2052
@durzod2052 2 күн бұрын
the 300 is a movie based on a fricking COMIC BOOK (excuse me. "graphic novel"). It is NOT intended to be a history lesson. Anyone who treats it as such needsto do a little reading of books.
@spqr49
@spqr49 8 ай бұрын
these people cant go 2 seconds without mentioning january 6th.
@impactsalesandlife9299
@impactsalesandlife9299 2 жыл бұрын
Omg, I didn’t expect so much social/political commentary when I clicked this video.
@jamesjill795
@jamesjill795 2 жыл бұрын
300 - We find in the end Dilios is the narrator, re-telling the battle of Thermopylae, prior to battle at Platea. Dilios is not professor of Greek studies at Spartan University lecturing to grad students. This is a "ra-ra" locker-room type speech to fire up the troops for battle, something leaders do all the time. This story is told a specific way for the purpose of his audience - troops about battle and die. He portrays the enemy as formidable but not honorable. The enemy is/will be difficult to defeat, but on the wrong side of things. He portrays his fellow Spartans as idyllic, and the enemy as bizarre and flawed. Ephialtes is portrayed as most grotesque of all to a Spartan, as he is traitor to his own and too weak for battle. I have no idea if Dilios had ever faced an armored charging rhino or a 50' foot tall elephant, but I bet he'd exaggerate re-telling the story to his peers!
@huskybaiano3994
@huskybaiano3994 Жыл бұрын
In addition, Sparta was the most ableist society- they threw away babies with disabilities. So it would make sense that the disabled/disfigured character be evil
@Alpha-ix5tq
@Alpha-ix5tq 3 ай бұрын
but it’s not even accurate to how they viewed Persians at the time
@frankvandorp2059
@frankvandorp2059 2 күн бұрын
@@Alpha-ix5tq That depends a lot on which Greek source you're reading. The professor in this video just cherrypicked the most positive source about the Persians he could find, to then pretend that is how the Greeks in general viewed the Persians.
@enderz1341
@enderz1341 Жыл бұрын
"The Cohen Brothers never read the Oddessy." yet, in the credits, they credit The Oddessy......
@proto566
@proto566 Күн бұрын
This "Prof" is talking BS 9/10 anyway
@edgarmanuelcambaza6459
@edgarmanuelcambaza6459 Ай бұрын
I disagree with the final thought. For some people, what we call "myths" represented their religions and now their culture. Some actually believed these stories. If we want them to respect our religions and cultures, it seems reasonable for us to respect theirs. I know Hollywood loves some creative liberties but it often cheapens the stories into a set of clichés.
@antonego9581
@antonego9581 2 жыл бұрын
This is a truly great breakdown showing how our modern depictions focus more on reinforcing our modern stereotypes and attitudes rather than educating the audience about actual history
@dominikjurkovic5540
@dominikjurkovic5540 2 жыл бұрын
There is something wrong with the comment section, like every one has almost the same comment with bearly a comment and a couple of hundred likes. Makes you wonder
@kaned5543
@kaned5543 2 жыл бұрын
You know, this honestly was probably the most compelling one of these videos y'all have put out yet. I'd pay to audit this dude's lectures for a semester.
@elisabethcotut7347
@elisabethcotut7347 15 күн бұрын
It's so annoying that everything has to be about sexuality...
@mayboy128
@mayboy128 6 күн бұрын
“It’s a bit problematic, innit?”
@mayboy128
@mayboy128 6 күн бұрын
“It’s a bit misogynistic, innit?”
@heart7773
@heart7773 2 жыл бұрын
Need to remember that in the movie '300', it's narrated after the fact as a propaganda tale to inspire the army, & just like in all wars, demonizing the enemy is common in propaganda. Look at WWII propaganda as a example
@arman_1024
@arman_1024 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t understand how that excuses the racist and bigoted imagery. Yes, World War propaganda was usually very racist and led to several problems, so how is this narration explanation an excuse for dismissing the imagery? That simply seems like a cop out to protect Miller and Snyder. Let’s not forget that Miller also wrote “holy terror,” a comic in which all Muslims (men women and children) were depicted as terrorists, and Snyder claimed that “300” was 90% historically accurate.
@dimipartcaster7770
@dimipartcaster7770 2 жыл бұрын
It has nothing to do with propaganda. Persia invaded in Greece so 300 Spartans went at Thermopylai to stop the enemy. It wasnt about demonize nobody. They went there to defend their land and their families. And it was more than enough.
@dickjones4356
@dickjones4356 2 жыл бұрын
@@dimipartcaster7770 "It has nothing to do with propaganda." Except that battle BECAME propaganda so it still have to do with propaganda.
@dickjones4356
@dickjones4356 2 жыл бұрын
@@arman_1024 "I don’t understand how that excuses the racist and bigoted imagery." Except it is a movie and not a documentary but clearly you are not educated to understand that. By the way calling it racist and bigoted imagery only proves that you have no arguments after all. "and Snyder claimed that “300” was 90% historically accurate." Well did the battle not happened? Since 90% of the story is true you really have nothing to complain about.
@yungjoemighty879
@yungjoemighty879 2 жыл бұрын
simp
@PondOfGlue
@PondOfGlue 2 жыл бұрын
I am literally BEGGING you to have him come back in again (and again and again) for more breakdowns. This man is INCREDIBLE.
@bob_sled_9467
@bob_sled_9467 20 сағат бұрын
I wonder what this incredible hack thinks about the incredible Hulk.
@chrisdraper845
@chrisdraper845 18 сағат бұрын
What, so you can be told more lies! 😂
@dantefernandodantezambrano7910
@dantefernandodantezambrano7910 Жыл бұрын
Historically, Spartans did wear armours when they ventured to Thermophilae . My brother and my mother visited Athens' museum on their tour to Greece last year, and they saw the war equipment the 300 Spartans used to fight the Persians. Besides, the Thermophilae battle is not a myth, but a real fact occurred during the Persian invasion to Greece. The Spartans tried to contend the Persians to gain time for the Greeks could assemble an army. It's illustrated in 300 Rise of an Empire movie.
@musicbcwalk
@musicbcwalk 2 күн бұрын
62k people are gullible simpletons who think this guy knows wtf he's talking about
@ettinakitten5047
@ettinakitten5047 10 сағат бұрын
Less gullible than the people who watched a homophobic rant denying basic facts of history and decided it was 100% true and everyone else is lying.
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