‘Shogun’ Creators on Killing Fan-Favorite Characters - and Potential Season 2

‘Shogun’ Creators on Killing Fan-Favorite Characters - and Potential Season 2 | Showrunners Sitdown

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Ай бұрын

Showrunner Justin Marks and Co-Creator Rachel Kondo in join Kate Aurthur in an exclusive in-depth breakdown of FX's 'Shōgun's season 1 and the exciting possibility of returning for more seasons of their epic Japanese tale following John Blackthorne's entanglement with Lord Toranaga.
Variety Showrunners Sitdown presented by FX.

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@opinionatedinsect Ай бұрын

Tadanobu Osano deserves that Emmy's Outstanding Supporting Actor. His scenes are just perfectly executed. Always a delight to see him.

@dschiter Ай бұрын

The name is Tadanobu Asano

@noea.martinez9099 Ай бұрын

Great interview. Nice to know that if they or FX doesn't feel good about the follow-up, they won't proceed! The shows was TOO GOOD for it to have a horrible S2.

@sharoni1218 Ай бұрын

As much as I loved S1. I say, leave on a High-note. I'd be astonished if they can go even higher for S2.

@miekgg 26 күн бұрын

@@sharoni1218either way i think it’ll be extremely hard for them f up s2 - its so grand and there’s so much history to tell.

@gonaye1 Ай бұрын

Considering how badly I didn’t want the story of Shogun to continue (since the book ends where Season One ends), the fact that this interview got me so HYPED for more story says a lot about how much I LOVED what these showrunners had to say, and how confident I feel about their abilities to continue it.

@KateAurthur Ай бұрын

This is the most gratifying comment to read! Thanks for watching.

@lyrilljackson Ай бұрын

@@KateAurthur callbacks are not what i want. foreshadow and episode long flashback already set the bar in 2017-18.

@ajaymanoj3527 Ай бұрын

Hiroyuki Sanada nailed it

@user-gb2yj4fj9w Ай бұрын

With all of the streaming services trying to make “the next Game of Thrones”, I feel this series production value and excellence in characters, writing, QUALITY has been the closest to level of transporting people in an EPIC way. I am of the generation that was goo goo ga ga over Richard Chamberlain and the mini series at the time. As a junior in High School I read Shogun and started thinking in Japanese. I have read the book at least 4 times. VERY excited about getting to revisit so many of the beloved characters and first rate story telling. Thank you so much!

@ericsaari2901 Ай бұрын

Amazing interview. I'm convinced only Justin and Rachel, working with FX, were the only ones who could have made this show as good as it was. This team gives me full confidence that a season 2 and potentially more could be as good as the first, or nearly so, since they have a through-line defined by history, and such an amazing team of writers, historians and creatives bridging both cultures. The love and care for its execution is paramount, and serves as a guide for how both book adaptations and historical fiction should be treated. It's nothing short of astonishing really.

@alopezcepero Ай бұрын

I just finished watching Shogun. What a fantastic show! I became a fan of Justin Marks when I saw Counterpart a few years back. I was so disappointed when that show was not renewed for a third season. Justin and all others involved in that project created an incredible world and I was sad not to be able to see the whole arc of that story. That is why I’m incredibly happy that Shogun has been such an incredible success and that Justin and his collaborators will be able to bring us an extended story and experience over multiple seasons. Fingers crossed as I look forward to the next season!!

@khaleesimandy74 Ай бұрын

I'm excited for it. Because knowing that season 2 & 3 is based off the true history of the characters will be so exciting to learn.

@PhantomSolitude Ай бұрын

Cautious but very optimistic 🤞🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

@robsendall9847 Ай бұрын

Will Adams spent the rest of his life in Japan as envoy and mercantile agent for the Shogun. He married a Japanese lady and raised a family. His history is quite well documented and he is still celebrated annually in Japan. Can't wait to see a second series.

@SpoopsdaGawd Ай бұрын

This! I was at first concerned with them adding a second and third season considering the began and finished the first season so well. I was worried they'd have the GOT issue of not having source material, but that can lean on history! That is reassuring to me that they'll have a lot of inspiration to tell more stories with these characters. That said, they set the tone so high with the first season that they have to really knock it out the park to hopefully capture the same magic.

@GallumArtemi Ай бұрын

yes but he was very much the main character of that story even in reality. the dude altered the history of the world. I'm not sure they could pivot into that after making him a buffoon in this series (technical term for comedic character of this type).

@joeyartk Ай бұрын

Why would they care about real history when almost everything in the first season was made up fantasy?

@joeyartk Ай бұрын

Too bad they had to deviate so badly from history to slander Hosokawa Gracia and Hosokawa Tadaoki in the first season. Just to make up a ridiculous romance of people that never even met and make a superhero out of a woman who never even left her mansion in Osaka. Lol

@Rabbithole8 Ай бұрын

@@joeyartk It isn't a documentary. It is an historical drama. In addition, why are you attacking them? They adapted a novel, so take it up with James Clavell although he is dead. Did you even watch the video? How did he slander Hosokawa Gracia or Hosokawa Tadaoki? Clavell changed the names of all the main historical figures preciously so that people don't confuse his fictionalized characters with the actual historical people. In addition, Mariko and Blackthorn are praiseworthy and likable protagonists in the novel and the two adaptions. Moreover, in Japan Hosokawa Gracia has been depicted in Japanese literature, stage drama, movie and TV dramas, anime, and videos games from 1887 onward. Where are you complaints here? It is clear no actually do not know the history.

@Jon.A.Scholt Ай бұрын

As long as Fuji is in Season 2

@thePouncingPurplePanther Ай бұрын

I have a full-on crush on Fuji. I am hoping she becomes Blackthorne's wife, as the character he is based on did marry a Japanese woman and raised a family there.

@AugustSeria Ай бұрын

No. Let Fuji have her happy ending. If they bring her back I'm scared they'll just kill her off 😂

@BIGxBOSSxx1 Ай бұрын

Wouldn’t make any sense. We already know she left to be a nun.

@BabystarNoodle Ай бұрын

彼女が尼になったら、我々は髪を剃り上げた藤様を目にすることになる。

@liwyatan Ай бұрын

@@AugustSeria She is the granddaughter of Hiromatsu. You know that "genius" skips a generation. It will be really interesting to find that not only is she a brave Onna-musha but also a proper descendant of her grandfather as a skillfully mastermind. Being a nun it's not a "happy ending" to someone with so many connections and prospects on Japanese society of the time. Specially a woman that had it twice as hard (at least). Adams (real life Blackthorne) loved Japanese culture. And sided with the Japanese side practically from the day 0. Really important because he was pivotal on establishing relationship with Dutch traders (which contributed to take out power from the Christian Daimios). Blackthorne is different in this regard. It will be interesting to see why he chooses to stay in Japan (because if they follow the real life Adams he will have plenty of opportunities to return to England in the future) and why he will choose to side with Japanese interests when he establishes relationship with the Dutch merchants (at first the Dutch thought that Adams "was his man in Japan". But soon enough they learned that the situation was much more complicated).

@kenzovich9225 Ай бұрын

This show was phenomenal, i loved every second of it. It makes me really happy that a 2nd season is coming but also a bit frustrated to wait for it. What a great show! It's been a while since i've been this excited.

@nissan_skyline Ай бұрын

Anna Sawai has come a long way since her J-Pop days. I can't wait to see where she goes from here. It's only been like, 5 years since she shifted her focus from singing to pursuing acting seriously, and her career is really starting to take off.

@SpoopsdaGawd Ай бұрын

I first saw her in Monarch on Apple TV and I was like 'Okay not bad" But then Shogun came out and I could really tell that she was being held back with that writing in that last show, because MY GOD she made Shogun be as great as it did. Emmy worthy!

@maxpatrickhaynes2194 Ай бұрын

Showrunners !! Very cool! I started getting interested in showrunners with Noah Hawley, following him from Fargo to Legion (should have been a big hit, very cool show), etc

@KateAurthur Ай бұрын

I interviewed him for this series too - stay tuned!

@TamiThePinkHairedGirl Ай бұрын

Fantastic interview!

@lazylion420 Күн бұрын

Shogun and Blue Eye Samurai were the best new shows in the last 5 years and they both need a season two

@reinachristiconsolacion9736 29 күн бұрын

Congratulations, guys! ❤

@nezzai124 Ай бұрын

they need to introduce some key japanese historical figures.

@SkrubDaddy Ай бұрын

Watching this show I could feel the love and dedication poured into it from every facet. It's great to see great television with amazing characters come to life. Can't wait for the second season.

@jeanbot 29 күн бұрын

I don’t see the point of watching without Mariko

@BadgerUKvideo Ай бұрын

If i'm remembering that part of history correctly then arn't we getting a chance to see the Buddhist ninjas more?

@BabystarNoodle Ай бұрын

待ち望んだインタビューです。お二人のプロデューサーの真摯な話が聞けてシーズン２への期待が増すばかりです。わずか６時間で終わったという関ヶ原の戦いと違い、大阪の陣は２期に渡る大規模な攻城戦である。フォトジェニックな真田丸の奮闘もある。私はその大スペクタクルを如何に描かずに物語を収束させるかで頭を悩ませている。淀殿（落葉の方）と秀頼は秘密裏に逃げ延びたという俗説もある。この母子が庶民に愛されていた所以でもあるが、関ヶ原で石田三成（石堂和成）が埋められてじっくり首を斬られたという話には尾ひれは無い。まさに犬も食わない話。

@JeremyIceAndFire33 Ай бұрын

Yabu will be missed in s2!

@matdrat Ай бұрын

The natural end is the Siege of Osaka Castle in 1615. Tokugawa Ieyasu died shortly after. William Adams would live for five more years, dying in 1620 leaving behind his Japanese wife, a son, and a daughter.

@kathyp1563 29 күн бұрын

The real life people were just an outline for fictional characters. But it makes sense...with Toranaga gone, Blackthorns protection is gone. I think they should take another Caville book & produce it.

@gshamer 7 күн бұрын

Season 2 should be Blackthorne and Buntaro on a Bad Boys type adventure

@jimmyhyun8546 Ай бұрын

Usually when creators go off script from the source material, 99.99% of the time, it is worse. The series ended when the book ended. Where is the story going to go?

@GallumArtemi Ай бұрын

Honestly, why? I think this really completed the series, it doesn't need to go any further. It was amazing for what it was, a solid 8/10 for me and honestly a must watch for a lot of people. But I think it's one of those things that you need to let it pass, otherwise it will quickly become simplistic and too familiar to the audience to capture that 'another world' kind of vibe.

@agatazietek9098 Ай бұрын

As much as I loved the show I'd prefer them to create something else, like in another interview Justin mentioned James Clavells book about Hong Kong. But I'm still going to watch it. Probably the next seasons were ordered by network because of the money and showrunners were proposed a pretty huge pay.

@amonrei Ай бұрын

I'd be happy either way, if they decided to or not to make S2.

@Nozawachter Ай бұрын

I keep going on Shogun threads promoting the idea of a prequel revolving around Yabushige and Ishido’s time in Korea, but if I am reading this interview correctly, and the Battle of Sekigahara IS something on the table that they will work up toward, and the natural conclusion (historically should be the Siege of Osaka Castle) if so, they could TOTALLY have an episode or two with flashbacks of Hideyoshi’s (Taiko) unsuccessful endeavor’s (thru Korea) to topple Ming China. At least that way we can get more Yabushige. Heck!! throw in some flashback episodes of Mariko and the Monk. Hey, let’s not stop there, let’s also get an episode that shows what happened in Macau. Finally, this is most important probably for Season 3. Choose who plays Sanada Yukimura very carefully. In the Siege of Osaka, Iyeyasu (Toranaga) was the one doing the sieging, yet due to Yukimura’s heroics, he had to seriously consider seppuku as capture seemed imminent. Who the hell can play this role…..? They will need to find another unicorn like they did with Anna Sawai. If that is even possible, otherwise we’ll just have to hire Dwayne Johnson😂

@Another_opinion_ Ай бұрын

No Mariko, no second season!!

@midashq Ай бұрын

Why would you not include Hiroyuki Sanada in this ... man was THE driving force behind everything

@sanitychelle Ай бұрын

He might have been busy.

@eelchiong6709 Ай бұрын

Maybe because most first impressions of him, based on his younger roles as a Ninja in the 80s, feels so wrong when he now takes a Samurai's role. You know, the old Ninja vs Samurai hype.

@JetConvoy Ай бұрын

@@eelchiong6709this is such a cringe reply.

@Eaniean Ай бұрын

Why was the original book not used to cover more then 1 season? It has enough in it to make several seasons from it alone.

@boryman2999 29 күн бұрын

Epic Fights Epic epic fights needed

@davisj7973 7 күн бұрын

Mariko was the heart and soul of the show though. Not Toranaga, not Blackthorne. The show will be an entirely new story with the same name.

@cemberendsen4297 Ай бұрын

Very humble and open interview from the showrunners. Super excited for season 2!

@stephaniechung2366 Ай бұрын

Watched Shogun twice. Can’t wait for season 2.

@joeyartk Ай бұрын

If they are so intent on accurately portraying sepuku, why didn't they have Mariko try to cut the artery in her neck the way women were supposed to do it, not slit her abdomen. And they didn't need a second either.

@kathyp1563 29 күн бұрын

I just finished the book...an hour ago. Some of the changes from bookstore miniseries were understandable. Others were weird. This was one of the weird changes.

@derekchin6403 Ай бұрын

Such an amazing accomplishment. Many of us were absolutely mesmerized by the show and felt real melancholy over its end. Hoping their plans for future seasons come to fruition!

@runechristiansen7372 Ай бұрын

It is hard to picture Shogun going forward without Anna Sawai, it is perfect as it is and I fear another season could "stain" it. 🤷‍♂

@TrollArtist666 Ай бұрын

I don't care what anyone says. I have been waiting my entire life for a series covering Samurai history. This show did such an amazing job with the world building and characters that it seems like it would be such a waste to end it. Plus it delivered on everything except action and war. The series ending before it showed any type of war was extremely unsatisfying. I know that's not the point of the book but war was the Samurai's entire purpose for existing, and to not put that on display was extremely wasted potential.

@jordanweb1 Ай бұрын

Sooooo excited and ready for more SHOGUN I completely trust them to come up with something as amazing as S1 even without a book

@Mugen3 Ай бұрын

Considering historical facts, in the next season, Buntaro will follow in his father Hiromatsu's footsteps and become Toranaga's right-hand man, and will go on a rampage at the Battle of Sekigahara, capturing Ishido and kill him by burying him in the ground. During that time, Blackthorn trains his marines in artillery and also falls in love with a female villager. In the next season, Toranaga will attack Osaka Castle and kill Ochiha and his heir in order to create a peaceful era. Blackthorn cannons will be useful on that battlefield. Toranaga would then become a Shogun, and Blackthorn would be honored and swear lifelong loyalty to Toranaga. After all Catholics are expelled, Blackthorn will marry the villager woman and live happily ever after in Japan. That's the synopsis of this history. I'd like to see how they adapt this to impress us.

@joeyartk Ай бұрын

You mix and awful lot of fiction in with your "historical facts" Lol.

@roderickwillis2516 Ай бұрын

Great show, but the fact that John Blackthorne's story arc became almost a part role compared to the book, was a real shame as he was the main character in the story (based on William Adams a real-life character) and his journey was incredible... The culture shock between Europeans and Japanese, with extra spice from the religious conflicts thrown in, was a big miss from the producers, those of you who have read the book will know what I mean

@manjuuuneko Ай бұрын

secondを作るってことは、「これから面白いことを言います！」と言ってからギャグをするのと同じだよね。皆の期待値がすごいことになってるので、期待以上のことをしないとガッカリされるわけ。ちなみに日本でsecondが成功したと言われているのは、ターミネーターだけである。

@j2174 Ай бұрын

Its interesting that Americans now think they need to involve producers and people very extensively from certain countries so that the culture, etc is captured reasonably accurately, and then there are plenty of countries where they would never even give that two seconds of thoughts, and assume they know and understand the culture....through mostly stereotypes. The latter seems to be especially true when its a culture Americans assume they know, either because it may be "closer" to theirs in some way, or due to perceived race/skin colour.

@RoyKoopaling Ай бұрын

Portugal! They keep rattling on about how important it was to be authentic. But then had the Portuguese speak English.

@user-qx1rp9fs5b Ай бұрын

You need to talk more about Hiroyuki Sanada's contributions to Japanese culture. And since Sanada was a big star in Japanese period dramas, please take his opinion into consideration and don't go along with your American preconceptions. I want to see the real thing.

@agatazietek9098 Ай бұрын

Maybe he was busy though or wasn't paid enough to come to the US

@user-qx1rp9fs5b Ай бұрын

We Japanese people　think, he basically lives in Los Angeles. He was a big star in Japan, but for the past 20 years he has not appeared in a single movie or drama in Japan, and instead has been working to ensure that Japanese Bushido and culture are portrayed correctly in America. He is fluent in English, so I hope he can tell us the behind-the-scenes stories. Thank you.@@agatazietek9098

@user-qx1rp9fs5b Ай бұрын

Perhaps you don't know? Sanada was one of the producers, and he used his connections to bring in experts on Japanese period dramas, such as kimono dressing, manners, sword fighting, and art, from Japan to teach the Hollywood staff the correct knowledge. I think that kind of story is interesting. Sorry if you already know all of this.

@agatazietek9098 Ай бұрын

@@user-qx1rp9fs5b i know, but no need to apologise! I know about this since they mentioned it in companion podcast.

@folarinosibodu Ай бұрын

First view. First comment. Yay.

@RoyKoopaling Ай бұрын

They praised everyone except Cosmo Jarvis who was amazing. They also say something that’s really worrying for me. They said they were concerned about Blackthorne being seen as ‘appropriating’ seppuku. First of all, the idea that we should be concerned about ‘appropriation’ of suicide(?!?!?!) is insane. But there’s also a decidedly anti-immigrant on Justin’s statement. The idea that immigrants must tiptoe around cultures they are assimilating in to incase someone thinks they are ‘appropriating’. It’s this idea that no matter how much one tries the immigrant must always be under suspicion. Really concerns me. I just can’t help shake the feeling that if it were a Japanese character coming to England, that character would not be spoken about in that way. And I’m just concerned there’s a certain fetishisation of other cultures from him and it comes across as quite paternalising.

@agatazietek9098 Ай бұрын

Ugh, "anti-immigrant" sounds like a huge stretch and a very dishonest way to interpret it. If anything, he's going out of his way to be respectful, maybe in a clumsy way, because a lot of Asian Americans online have called this show problematic and racist from the get-go. Now, whether you agree with him or with them is a separate issue.

@littlemouse7066 Ай бұрын

Apparently americans can't pronunce Shogun properly they have to put a firearm in it ("gun").

@mediterrenean Ай бұрын

Show Gun 😂 show some respect by at least pronouncing the word correctly

@deecee9671 Ай бұрын

Did it seem like he's silenced his wife a lot and then maybe just maybe she could have had more insight in certain quadrants Jesus Christ interviews are getting weird

@joeyartk Ай бұрын

If you had 2 hearts then you aren't really a devout Christian. Devout Christians in Japan at that time willingly died instead of break their faith. Hosokawa Gracia, Mariko's real life counterpart, was very devout.

@morigan4114 Ай бұрын

"There are a lot of great characters though" .... sorry sir it might have a lot of good character indeed but theres only one great,which is her. so yeah...there was an big empty in the end since de greatest died. just face it.

@Well...Darn. Ай бұрын

Why they killed off characters? Simple, because they died in the book. I really hope they leave Shogun alone now. They did a pretty good job at adapting the novel. I personally think the weakest parts of the show were those that deviated from the book, and that's why an entire season of trying to work without source material may end up weak.

@fredvasquez4201 Ай бұрын

Season 2 and 3 are coming booi. nothing you cant do about it

@kathyp1563 29 күн бұрын

They killed 2 characters in the miniseries that lived in the book. Hiramutso made sense. Having his son die, doesn't. Also, a fan favorite is allowed to become a Shinto nun in the TV series, but in the book, she is allowed to kill herself.

@ask_carbon Ай бұрын

Lmao you got newt to no source material. Don't make another GoT

@alphabryan4703 Ай бұрын

for a season 2 they can follow real life history which toranaga(tokugawa) now shogun lays seige to osaka and Ochiba and her son kill themselves the entire season can lead up to that and what happens in-between just a matter of getting good writers that know there stuff there's substance for a season 2 it just needs time to be done right idk what the hell they would do for more seasons if they choose to do more after a season 2 tho

@AaronD12 Ай бұрын

Nothing happens: The series

@JoaoOliveira-rk8gv Ай бұрын

There's an OCD level of respect for the japanese culture while you just paint brushed the portuguese into a catholic monolith. The supposed hate towards the english is a GIANT historical error. In the entire first season there's more spanish spoken than portuguese. A huge disrespect in my opinion. Please change for an eventual second season.

@sebastianmunozochoa1485 Ай бұрын

I understand why you feel upset but I hope they're ( the Portuguese)fleshed out in the next season of the show.

@Random-Stranger Ай бұрын

> brushed the portuguese into a catholic monolith. Because that's exactly what their presence in Japan was at the time - agents of the church/crown under the guise of spreading the faith but ultimately as colonists.

@sebastianmunozochoa1485 Ай бұрын

@@Random-Stranger but he's got a point about using Spanish expressions instead of Portuguese.

@fredvasquez4201 Ай бұрын

Brazilian Portuguese is the best anyways

@joeyartk Ай бұрын

Hopefully this time they will try to stick to real history instead of 99 percent fictional BS. And please no more feminist propaganda and show a more realistic portrayal of Japan at that time.