Varnish testing

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Varnish testing

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Күн бұрын

Forget what I said in the video, the random pick for the sticker is open to everyone.
In this one I test 7 different varnishes to see what one is the toughest option for your next project.
Varnishing is a time consuming process and I thought people should have a representation of what these varnishes can take.
I will have a full write up of my findings in the blog section of my webpage in a few days for those interested. www.oliverwood...
This video was made possible with the help of
www.totalboat.com
And
kirbypaint.com
For more information on the other varnishes in this test checkout
www.pettitpaint...
And
epifanes.com/i...
If your preferred varnish didn’t make it into this test and you would like to see it be tested in the future please tell me down in the comments.
/ oliverwoodcraft
To see my theory on applying varnish checkout
• How to Varnish with a”...
#varnishing #howto #woodenboats #oliverwoodcraft

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@steveoliphant8541 Ай бұрын

Loved how methodical you were on this stage of the testing. Wish the long term testing results were available.

@TotalBoat 4 жыл бұрын

It will be interesting to see how they all hold up to UV and weather. Nice job!

@oliverwoodcraft9733 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you 😁

@zippitydoowopjoe 2 жыл бұрын

Just curious since it's two years after the original upload what the results were of the follow-up testing. Even if you don't end up doing a video, just curious which products ended up doing the best? Thank you!

@henrye718 Жыл бұрын

Yes id like to know too

@datawrangler81 Жыл бұрын

Adding my plus one to durability!

@maciejsikora6893 Жыл бұрын

Thank You for your help I'm looking for a good varnish to protect my terrace and your movie helped a lot

@steveslocumb4745 4 ай бұрын

Great test I’m with you on total boat finished out nice and pretty tough.

@danwalker9999 9 ай бұрын

Total Boat is my way to go. I was using epoxy for the first time and their customer service was outstanding. I then followed up with a varnish finish and once again their communication with me was great. So far my outside counter top is holding up nicely in the sun and rain so I highly recommend Total Boat.

@oliverwoodcraft9733 7 ай бұрын

I’m glad to hear that. I have had the same experience.

@Yankeedood 2 ай бұрын

What products did you use from Total Boat and what was your process?

@BillCofield-dh2tn Жыл бұрын

Enjoyed video, helped me make my decision for my next project.

@carlosleal523 3 жыл бұрын

I thank you for your a very good help to decide what varnish to choose

@roderickgilkey8856 3 жыл бұрын

Nicely done research with good recommendations. I have used the Total Boat Lust varnish with the excellent results that Oliver describes. Thanks!

@nsw1959 3 жыл бұрын

Are you going to do the follow-up? Would love to see the results of the weather test.

@oliverwoodcraft9733 3 жыл бұрын

Yes a fallow up is going to happen it’s just a little slow going on video production right now.

@asennaydenov6461 3 жыл бұрын

Great compartment! Last month I finished varnishing the interior inside my boat with Epifanes and it looks ok. The only one think is that is not strong enough it takes scratches very easily.

@oliverwoodcraft9733 7 ай бұрын

Only a guess but it probably didn’t get enough cure time before seeing abuse. Unfortunately I have not found a perfect varnish but you picked one that has always held up for me. Given time it’s an excellent finish.

@jettkeyser9909 3 жыл бұрын

Truly appreciated to highly practical focus...

@muratzengin9628 4 ай бұрын

Thank you for Info 😊

@paulbriggs3072 Жыл бұрын

Polyurethane varnishes are tougher and more scratch resistant than all those varnishes. Just one problem- they avoid making marine varnishes from polyurethane for the very reason that they are so hard and thus brittle. Marine varnishes need to be FLEXIBLE and thus softer than indoor varnishes. They need to expand and contract and not let go. The tests you did were not really marine varnish tests. Flexing and gloss retention would be the proper test, plus heat and cold cycle tests on a wood that is known for expanding and contracting.

@oliverwoodcraft9733 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback.

@mr.morgan5643 Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Great test!

@Nickporter17 3 жыл бұрын

Very nice job with the video. Keep em coming!

@greglancaster2411 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome. Really informative.

@oliverwoodcraft9733 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for check it out.

@actionjksn Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure why we can't see the results of the test since it's been 3 years.

@oliverwoodcraft9733 Жыл бұрын

Personal life issues got in the way. I’m sorry for the inconvenience.

@datawrangler81 Жыл бұрын

@@oliverwoodcraft9733ok, man. Take care of yourself first! Our wood projects aren't that important!

@iwillp 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video. I learned alot.

@pedroolmedo5959 4 ай бұрын

Quick question between epifanes and mano war which is the best speaking about durable?

@RookieDIY Жыл бұрын

Curious if youve got the updated results. Thanks for the test.

@jettkeyser9909 3 жыл бұрын

I have been using Total Boat...Epiphanes and Deep Penentrating Epoxy...The Epoxy was really nice to work with...With Epiphanes there is a real need to create a roughed out base coat of whatever to top with Epiphanes or it will bubble and look terrible with weathering...Oregon Coast

@oliverwoodcraft9733 3 жыл бұрын

I have used Smiths epoxy for that in the past and managed great results. Thanks for passing on your experience.

@jettkeyser9909 3 жыл бұрын

You were speaking of using Smith’s below the Epiphanes? The Epiphanes worked beautifully over some cedar adirondack chairs...but apparently my application lacked the necessary scuffing before applying the Topcoat...per Total Boat folks...

@oliverwoodcraft9733 3 жыл бұрын

Smith’s is excellent at creating initial bonds just fallow the can. If I understand it correctly it actually makes a chemical bond. Any additional coats are mechanical (unless using something like total boats lust) and definitely require a good amount of tooth for proper adhesion.

@ELCADAROSA 3 жыл бұрын

Came here after watching a similar video by Andy of Boatworks Today. He had similar finish results (though he didn't subject his to the "wear & tear" test). Now to see if you did the follow-up video ...

@ELCADAROSA 3 жыл бұрын

Okay .. no follow-up video found. I'd really like to see how they all held up, please!

@oliverwoodcraft9733 3 жыл бұрын

I’m trying to get one done ASAP.

@calitri10 3 жыл бұрын

Nice , its a shame here in Mexico cant found it that products. Even Amazon

@johnhouli3450 8 ай бұрын

Thank you. Can I ask which varnish has tung Oil in it and would you choose it for a place in Caribbean where it’s hot rainy and a lot of salt in the air. Very close to ocean this would be on a newly 8 month old railings. And a Mahogany Door.

@oliverwoodcraft9733 7 ай бұрын

I’m not experienced in that kind of environment so I have no idea what is best. Man o war is my top pick from my test matching your question Le tonkinois is the most original varnish that I can think of. It’s probably your best bet with a “natural” varnish.

@zacbell9383 Жыл бұрын

What ever happened to the followup video to this with the pieces left outside and in buckets of water?

@luzbarrera5299 10 ай бұрын

Hi!! I hope you don't mind for my question.. i have a 1/2 inch plywood 12"x 20" so i painted all black with enamels (oil based) and then i painted some letters with fancy letters on top of it red and yellow on top of the black,so my question Is which varnish or clear coat can be used to protect the sign because i want it for outdoors!! Thanks!!

@oliverwoodcraft9733 7 ай бұрын

Honestly I have no idea. I have never done anything like that

@theveryboredperson 4 жыл бұрын

thanks for the vids!! In the process of building a McKenzie Double Ender. You know how the rivers are here in Michigan and know how much abuse the bottom of my boat will see. What kind of top coat would you recommend for the bottom of my drifter? the bottom is ply with 2 layers of fiberglass cloth and polyester resin with and oil base primer. leaning towards a thick truck bed liner but worried about heat and possible sun exposure ,cold winter steelhead fishing and ultimately maintenance. Maybe West system epoxy with a 207 hardener and multiple coats? really want a black bottom, to accent the dark red sides and dark stain on my woodwork, about 6" up the sides, thick for a rub rail and carrying up the bow and stern . thanks for any suggestions, keep up the great work!

@oliverwoodcraft9733 4 жыл бұрын

It sounds like you already glassed the bottom with polyester so now you need to stop the moisture from getting to the wood. Polyester resin is only water resistant not water proof so your ply is at risk. To accomplish that I’d recommend eliminating any existing primer that might be on the bottom then apply 4 or 5 coats of an epoxy primer. You can go over that with a topside paint and it makes for an easier touch up. I’ll be the first to admit it’s not a perfect solution but it’s the best I can think of.

@theveryboredperson 4 жыл бұрын

@@oliverwoodcraft9733 I haven't put the secondary layer of glass on yet or primer. That was My thought also was top off with an epoxy. I am a little hesitant to use and epoxy primer and paint, only cause I haven't ever used it, good thing its a bottom

@oliverwoodcraft9733 4 жыл бұрын

Chris Plashek Epoxy primers are nothing to be afraid of and they do a great job stopping water intrusion. If you lay the secondary glass with epoxy you can more easily fill the weave by hot coating to avoid a ton of sanding. If you went that route I would still recommend epoxy primer. A single part paint is an easy thing to maintain so I would just use that. Another question is did you seal the inside of the boat at all?

@theveryboredperson 4 жыл бұрын

@@oliverwoodcraft9733 I haven't done anything with the inside yet as far as finish just one layer of 10oz cloth with a top coat so far. Was thinking just oil base primer and paint for the inside after I run some fairing compound. Most of the boat is going to be paint, the decks, gunwells and seats I would like to leave wood, probably epoxy and polyurethane. Using epoxy to lay the second layer on the bottom is a great idea.

@theveryboredperson 4 жыл бұрын

awaiting an update on how your river boat is coming

@NSDaishi 3 жыл бұрын

wait a minute...you choose the fast drying one but what if we do have time? and it is in our backyard? couldnt have ranked the others?

@oliverwoodcraft9733 3 жыл бұрын

Anyone of these would be an excellent option. On a side note thanks for being the 600th sub.

@brendalogan-dejarnett5945 3 жыл бұрын

I have some red cedar live edge OUTDOOR bartops that I need to seal and protect. After researching and speaking to several people...it seems as if varnish is the way to go. I was thinking about Epifanes. Do you recommend Total Boat instead? It will have all weather exposure from the Kentucky weather. I'm also new to the process. Just built a pool bar and decided to do the live edge bartops. Any helpful information will be appreciated 🙂

@oliverwoodcraft9733 3 жыл бұрын

Epifanes would be a great option for that but it does take good technique to use. Totalboat is a friendlier varnish if you haven’t done it before. With all weather exposure I would recommend 13-14 coats first year then probably 3 maintenance coats every 2 year’s. If it looks like it needs attention then make sure it happens. Failed varnish is a pain.

@SeanMaisonneuve 3 ай бұрын

Where are the results??? What a lost opportunity.

@foxwood67 2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate your testing but have some questions. you mention on the scratch test you had to work harder on some of the products. Shouldn't you have just used a weighted wire brush with the same number of strokes to compare damage? I personally have used the Petitt 1015 with excellent results for a skiff used in saltwater. I just don't like the 1 coat per day waiting. I was looking at total boat lust as an alternative and will give it a try.

@oliverwoodcraft9733 2 жыл бұрын

Each product was given the same number of stokes on the scratch test. Lust is an awesome product for building coats. If you can manage the flow characteristics even a top coat is attainable with this product. I have been experimenting with the matte lust as a building coat so it’s easier to see when hot coating.

@foxwood67 2 жыл бұрын

@@oliverwoodcraft9733 thanks for the info. Im going to give it a try.

@oliverwoodcraft9733 2 жыл бұрын

@@foxwood67 Good luck, please let me know how it turns out good or bad. I really appreciate any feed back I can get. This was intended to be a “real world” kind of experiment.

@soumiahakimi4468 2 жыл бұрын

Can you tell me please if i can find tinted varnish brown color???

@oliverwoodcraft9733 2 жыл бұрын

I have not seen anything like that but then again I haven’t looked for it.

@brianfendly5159 11 ай бұрын

Would you consider Cetol in your testing?

@oliverwoodcraft9733 7 ай бұрын

Three options with that orange, orange or orange. Sorry but no.

@nabaddame5726 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. Can you tell me which of those is the least amber in color in the can? Looking to varnish something made of carbon fiber so would like as least amber color as possible

@oliverwoodcraft9733 3 жыл бұрын

All of these have a bit of amber to them but the Gleam is probably the best option. It’s a very thin varnish so expect to apply multiple coats to fill scratches. You can over coat it without sand if you do it within 48hrs.

@nabaddame5726 3 жыл бұрын

@@oliverwoodcraft9733 thanks for the response. I'll check it out.

@markluxton3402 Жыл бұрын

Are there non toxic finishes just as durable? NOT what the FDA claims is safe. I do not think any plastic is actually non toxic. What is claimed as food safe is just what the FDA says; they lie, a lot! I use varnish on some things, but I wish for better safer finishes.

@M.Mchale 3 жыл бұрын

Could you do a video of a varnish over walnut stain on pine please

@oliverwoodcraft9733 3 жыл бұрын

Sorry For the slow response. Iv been wondering where this request comes from? Have you had issues in the past?

@M.Mchale 3 жыл бұрын

@@oliverwoodcraft9733 no, not at all...i am just interested in the outcome is all as im building my own campervan and would like something of a wow factor in the end result =)

@oliverwoodcraft9733 3 жыл бұрын

No promises but I’ll see what I can come up with for you.

@M.Mchale 3 жыл бұрын

No dramas dude =) its all good...Thankyou for taking the time to reply..

@johnfeola5284 Жыл бұрын

Rustoleum Spar Varnish ?

@oliverwoodcraft9733 Жыл бұрын

Iv never tried that.

@zudedmonds5732 Жыл бұрын

30 years coatings tech. Every product has it's pro's and cons.

@slappy1965 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Grant. Nice video. I'm planning on applying Man O War on my new raw door while working in a detached garage. Temps are supposed to dip into the 40s at night but around 60 during the day during the process next week. I don't have any heaters. I'm putting 4 coats on both sides. Planned on 24 hr dry time between coats = 8 days. Any concerns with drying or setup? Also, do you think Man O War darkens African Mahogany more than what I can see by just a rubdown of mineral oil to test what a clear finish may look like?

@oliverwoodcraft9733 3 жыл бұрын

I actually just tried it again the other day on a project and love it. Your timeline sounds right but I would encourage you to go thicker. Try a minimum of 6 coats per side. It has a little more amber tone on the finish but at that thin of a build up it would hardly be noticeable. I hope that helps. Try it on a sample/scrap first if you are concerned about color change.

@slappy1965 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Those temps aren't a concern to you?

@oliverwoodcraft9733 3 жыл бұрын

Steve K I varnish in 50-55 all winter it may not be ideal but it does work.

@slappy1965 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I’ll use a space heater to help then. Last question. When sealing a storm door with spar varnish, that will have full exposure to the elements, will I need to remove the mortise with the knobs?

@oliverwoodcraft9733 3 жыл бұрын

Steve K If I’m understanding your question I would say yes. You want to be able to seal up every possible entry point for moisture intrusion.