typo in title brother

Crystalize shouldnt scale with EM it should be Def scaling. And EM should just allow Geo to tank more or deal more damage

I know you said that you were trying to set up the new mic but i really miss the old one, something about it is just off.

Vars, what do you think of an idea to implement subreactions to crystallize? To make it possible for other elements to interact with crystal cores, similarly like that did with dendro cores? Geo centric teams would be left untouched for people who want to play like that, and for others it would create ways for interesing team comps. Plus it fits Mihoyo's current model of fixing things, which is add something new, instead of changing something that exist already

It is frustrating that it does not have any substantive interaction with the other elements, crystalize is not enough. Maybe bonus to a stat for the type of shield you get. Hydro gets you tick healing, Pyro Bonus attack, Electro energy recharge, cryo crit rate. And the strength could be based off EM.

would be so cool to have the vines growing on geo+dendro reactions, the ones samachurls love to summon and that they'll be more persistent and can only be removed by fire, strengthened by water and wilder by electro.

yes but no. The problem is geo can't stand on enemy like at all. If they added dendro+geo reactions they would have to rework many things about geo

It legitimately felt like that was mihoyos last chance to breath some life into geo and allow for more interesting geo team building.

The problem is the elemental system is based on Chinese elements not western elements. A good example of this is hydro which is the healing element where in the west it would more relate to light or life (dendro). Geo is just an unyielding force and therefore doesn't react with anything. Good logically but terrible translated to gameplay.

Dendro should also have a Frost reaction with Cryo. Snow kills plants, so it makes no sense that Dendro and Cryo have no reactions.

I actually like the idea for the 2nd part. It could deal Elemental DMG based on the Element that Geo reacted with, and the damage could scale with EM. It's also a nice reference to how condensed Elemental Energy can be volatile and trigger an explosion, like the Geo bombs we find in the Chasm.

Second one may work but lets say u are fighting electro enemies and u have electro crystallize "gems" that's gonna be useless i would make the "gems" explode no matter what element did it absorbed it will do geo dmg but even with that geo goona be its own element

ohhh ngl did not think of the shield stacker thing thats a real nice idea. But this is what im saying if we can find a way to apply damage to the already existing elemental reaction it can still be viable. Crystallize can still have its identity as a shield reaction but still be useful in a damage sense. My idea was originally more like the shard does geo and combined element damage on creation of the shard like a swirl reaction, when shield is picked up, when shield expires or breaks, and you mentioned explodes if not picked up. I came up with another idea but this one seemed to be more balanced in my mind. The more interesting alternative was to was picking up a an elemental shield granted elemental infusion of that type. I decided alternatively that concept would be better suited for a character kit instead. Call it the prismmancer- the character can grant elemental infusion based on a crystallized shield that only they pick up or i guess that is picked up if they are in part or caused the reaction(not sur about that detail) Granting elemental infusion via crystallzied shard potentially could interrupt normal game if it was how the reaction normally worked but if its linked to just a character might be ok. Once again really like your thoughts thanks for sharing, let me know what you think.

Lol there’s no saving geo. Worst element with no good reaction. Honestly anyone who still plays geo characters needs to have their accounts taken away and given to someone who actually knows what they’re doing.

I went out of my way to get good EM substats on my albedo for tankier shields we are not the same

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Unless you're Ningguang. But to be fair to her at least, that's because she's so unlike any other Geo character that she basically isn't one at this point. (You know, aside from having Geo resonance and doing Geo damage) Although this does kinda mean that she's dodged all the Geo buffs. But hey, you win some, you lose most of the time! As someone who mained Ningguang at launch, I have some issues with how the directions Geo has gone in have treated her. There was the "building objects" part of Geo, but that's not really that important most of the time. And sometimes it's even a detriment.

@@Superflaming85 Dendro has power crept her completely, right?

In a game where the content is heavily biased towards reactions, geo has nothing to offer because it literally does nothing, reactionwise. Crystallise is trash, unfortunately and offers nothing of real utility. A mediocre fix that I can think of is for the crystals to auto home in on the character, providing a bigger defence shred and buff to the element and counter. I dunno how that can work with Anemo being a thing. Idk, maybe infusion could be cool, like primovishap and Azhdaha has but like Anemo exists so how will you make that work. Geo is just so screwed as an element, it's users has high multipliers on their abilities but that's just to make up for lack of reaction and even still it's not enough. Geo just gets done dirty by laziness or lack of creativity on the Devs part or idk, either way, Geo taking the hardest L's as an element rn. and no signs that that will change for a long time.

Geo wasn’t meant to stand alone. Ningguang til this day still doesn’t have a dedicated artifact set. They just decided to make Geo standalone by slapping a strong 4 star unit on the element… MHY has good ideas and execution. Geo wasn’t one of them.

Geo was always pointless, in and of itself. It was always "the neutral damage" that could hit _most_ enemies evenly and only be weak against the relatively rare Geo enemies. That sort of worked, but stacking Reaction damage has just made that not worth it.

Geo is meant to be the physical element, I guess. It's inert. The opposite is Dendro, which is reactive.

Amen brother

I’m too dumb to worry about reactions and rotations. Mono oonga boonga Itto for the win 😅

Lmao I thought it was shatter. It's so neglected

@@islowclick shatter can be triggered by different elements, you aren't forced to do it with geo

@@samuelcastillo5246 Yeah, and not just Geo, so long as it is claymore you have shatter.

@kollie79 That's fair on Geo Traveler working with mono-Geo, I still underestimate Geo traveler. They still have the major issue of "You have to not be using Dendro Traveler, the best budget Dendro unit", but he can at least do something for the team. Saying "You can still get Gorou from the standard banner or any other random pulls", though, is incredibly silly when the chance of getting specifically him is astronomically low. In the base banner it's a 1/46 shot each time you roll a 4-star, and in the character banner it's a 1/40 shot AFTER losing a 50/50. And considering the frequency with which people pull on the base banner (which is almost twice as likely), the likelyhood of you getting him from either is slim to none. If my napkin math is correct (it very well may not be), you are more likely to pull an early 5* on either banner than you are to pull Gorou. Him being only on one character's banner is a huge deal if you don't ever want to pull for that character. "Why not pull if you want to run mono geo that bad?" is the whole point of why Gorou being this way is bad! Because that's also saying "If you want to play mono geo at all and have it feel worth the effort, you must spend your primos on this banner where you might not even want the 5*." and, similarly to using non-C6 Noelle, pretty much everywhere I go screams at people "Don't spend on a banner if you don't want the 5*. Plus, you don't even have a safety net for the specific 4*, so you'd be even more up to the mercy of the RNG than normal. If it requires even that much sacrifice to even try it out in the first place, is it even worth pursuing to begin with? And the problem with that budget Mono-Geo team is that when you get that budget, you start competing with other incredibly budget options, and mono-Geo just can't compete even at that weak a level. I do not see how, in that team, you wouldn't see immediate massive improvements if you went with Dendro Traveler and Fischl, even if you kept Gorou and Noelle and would probably want to drop Gorou for Bennett. (I am, of course, assuming non-C6 Noelle as that would defeat the point of it being budget) And both of those characters are way more easily obtainable, as even if you never obtain her from the Gacha you can still buy Fischl from the shop or have gotten her from the GAA. Going to your Ayaka example, her completely free team can have Xingqiu and Kaeya which are infinitely more accessible than Gorou on account of them being guaranteed obtainable. And it would almost certainly perform way better than the budget mono-Geo team. Even at its most ridiculously minimalist level, mono-Geo needs at least Gorou to justify being worth using over anything else, which is a level of uncertainty that most other styles of team comp in the entire game don't have to work under. Without it, it is outclassed in both damage and ease of use by budget options that do what it does but better.

The thing is, those are the characters in the geo element being strong. Not the actual geo element itself being strong. Like imagine if the geo characters were another element, they’d most likely be stronger since they now have broken numbers and can actually do elemental reactions.

You may need C6 Gorou to achieve Itto or Noelle peak potential and it's not cheap. Took me a while to get there and I'm the lucky one. C2 Itto C4 Gorou on Itto's first banner and 2 remaining cons on Itto's 2nd banner

As ning main i can tell u what geo needs she doesn't need it she scales of attack so way other side then other geo characters only good that she has is she can some what provide herself with buffs her skill gives geo bonus and when enemies are near it there geo res is decreased but in down side she dose no aeo dmg only at c1 she dose and her "best" weapond is memory of dust 5 star and even then you need other geo character for geo resonance only 1 u can get is noele at the start but her shield takes ages for cd hence why i got zhongli if u are no lucky enough u mind as well go with other elements not geo

Exactly it’s not worth it. Just play freeze and vape like a normal person. It’ll make your life easier.

No, I oppose to it. Geo reaction should..MUST be universal. Locking its changes behind one specific character would *defeat* the purpose of 'improving'.

@@nightday2030 it wouldn't be improving, more exploring

Character passive One have all four geo members have a passive that allows you to have a reaction called hardening . Everytime a crystallize is picked up geo dmg increase by 10% max stack 50%

That's the worst idea i ever heard, i would rather add more reactions than having 1 specific character that does something different w already existing reaction.

Navia :)

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Fischl is that you?

Let's be honest, geo might be the "weakest," but weakest doesn't mean weak at all. Completely self reliant element, that alone has tremendous value imo. Only real downside is that it's expensive as heck to build them, big barrier to entry. Edit: forgot to add that geo reaction is indeed buns, wish that was different.

@@justxigoldenix9909 that shit trash bro😂

Since there will be no more endgame combat, what's the point? Geo is good enough, that's it

I can agree with the team being stupid fun. That one dungeon where you barely have any stamina and icicles keep dropping? No problem, shields are always up.

couldn't you say the same about physical damage?

@@cikplays7375 I mean you could say the same thing but comparing Itto to Eula is dumb

@@cikplays7375 well, physical dps' still rely on superconduct whereas geo doesn't rely on any buffs of any kind except for the geo resonance

yes geo is just that, mono geo. when you have hydro or electro characters instead, you unlock many different playstyle and variations. Edit: I wanna play geo that work with other elements too, hoyoverse! please don't force me to play mono geo every single day, this game is basically element reaction, right? why do they only make shield??! even non geo character can make shield too (diona,thoma,xinyan)

Don't forget an entire set and weapon for Noelle and Itto. Right now Geo is about as strong as its going to get.

Yup. Honestly anyone who still plays geo characters/teams in late game is stupid and needs to have their accounts removed from them.

@@fastedwarrior7353 there is no saving geo by this point. Might as well delete the whole element and all of its trash characters. It’ll be for the better.

@@bobjones1934 Nah, it's still an element that a lot of people like. No element should be removed from the game.

@@kawaiimika7974 only stupid people like geo, and it’s the least popular element in the game. No one will miss it. If someone whaled for Zhongli, Albedo, or Itto, then that’s their fault for liking geo in the first place.

Yeah, I agree shields are an issue, and yet geo is supposed to be the generalist shield buster. That's why geo is the recommended element for the Noblesse domain, which is 3 different shielded enemies at once. Yet while that is the theory, in practice, anemo is what you want you there, and, if not that, the various straight up counter elements. Geo is just a guarantee that all three drop slowly. And heck, Albedo doesn't even proc against shields. A DPS character that is completely gutted against a common enemy mechanic. But I digress. This shield aspect is why I believe geo should do more damage to shields based on its EM. That would add some value to EM for geo characters, and actually give geo the niche of generalist shield breaker.

Nilou's passive buff to dendro has more to do with simply justifying dendro as an element than it being a sign of a change in design philosophy. Hoyo kinda needed to justify the delay on dendro and it fairly paid off given that half of the reactions are fantastic even if the other half sucks. Nilou's abilities simply help showcase dendro as an already more viable element to use on your team. Geo on the other hand goes on the decline regularly and with as many opportunities as they've had to improve it, I think it's safe to say that they're not interested atm or at worst, don't really care to improve Geo

@@Soulferno after 2 years of playing Genshin and never missed an update, i can safely say Hoyoverse doesn’t care much about Geo. Even after buffing Geo, it’s still the worst element. It’s the most problematic and neglected element with the most worthless reaction and no hope to make sense of Elemental Mastery. Good thing is the characters of Geo have great kits. They are great because of their modifiers and stats, not because of their element.

nilou's restrictions are emblematic of a shift in hoyo's character design, they're trying for hyper-specialized horizontal progression instead of pure powercreep

Well anemo always had cc, thats what sucked me at first.

The last time they add new geo set, they isolate Geo even further with def. Ningguang is left behind by meta grow while Zhongli is much relevant in meta than most def isolated geo. I prefer they fix that supportive Geo artifact you called useless into more practical like how easy VV to use while increase its user dmg. Something like shard magnet, buff stacking, and geo dmg bonus from geo shard.

This ia a really cool idea!

or even just simple stat buffs. pyro increases atk, cryo increases crit, electro increases er, etc. and it could be added with a new artifact set

Petrified should be a geo reaction imo.

@@godlikemode8699 honestly, this. but that would make zhongli's burst effect not unique anymore. anyway, the person you replied to is on to something methinks. i hope hoyo takes notes.

That would be cool just like the Pokémon move Smack Down. Unfortunately, a lot of enemies that do fly already have game mechanics in place that ground them, some even include just straight up hitting them.

The fact that Geo and Dendro don't react is a crime. I mean, moss literally grows on rocks!

Besides the difference in number colour what is it that "inert" geo that u like has different from physical damage playstyle? Maybe the part that geo can buff eacother more while essential doing the same thing? Cause honestly thats what geo is - you get geo infusion on auto attacks and buff up ur def/geo dmg thats imo the only thing it has and theres already "physical element" in the game already, why should geo be like that?? Imho physical damage should be buffed and take on the role that geo has right now minus the crystalized shielding and geo should be reworked in to a proper element takeing its rightfull place among the other elements.

@@pavelmitris8036 wow, I completely forgot phys dmg. When you put it out, its really the same. But since the game is ahout elements, imo keep phys dmg what it is, relying on superconduct. I like the idea of inertness because noble gas irl exists. Yeah if you count phys dmg, it is the one that doesnt do any reaction, but since its not an element it doesnt count. On the other hand, geo cannot be applied or applied for a long time like other elements except anemo, but since anemo heavily reacts with other 4, it means anemo reacts. Of course if geo dont do anything other than shielding then it will be boring to be used. Its just that crystallize reaction doesnt do anything in the game, and with nahida burst now exists, I gives me an idea about potential on crystallize shield buff. Of course the buff I suggests can be tweaked for balance, I just said such buffs because that is what each other elements are known for. Also sumeru craftable weapons have passives which gives buffs if we pick something from the ground.

When I was still in Mondstadts, I imagined Xiangling's Wanmin restaurant would be much bigger and crowded especially for the fact that she's living in a nation of wealth, and then when I'm in Liyue which I don't even realize that the random food vendor is Wanmin restaurant till a quest tell me to go find Xiangling's restaurant, it may sounds silly but when I'm still a new player, I thought Sumeru is extended parts of Liyue and I will find traveler's sibling on extended parts of Mondstadts when my level is 'high enough' to unlock new territories.

For real albedo off-field ability it's amazing but sadly he geo character. if he pyro/electro he would be amazing in burgeon/hyperbloom/aggravate team

@@Seelenya geo constructs are SUCH a fun idea imo but they're held back by being: - weak af (destroyed by one or two heavy hits) - annoying to fight around (no, mhy, i did NOT intend to climb the zhong dong, i was just trying to strafe around it. also, enemies seem to have a hard time navigating around geo constructs, making it hard to attack them when they can't even decide which direction they're coming from) - inconsistent when being placed (especially in the case of zhongli and ningguang who cannot aim before placing their skills) - instantly destroyed when they come into contact with a boss, or some weird geometry, or oceanid arena, or... (etc.) also gorou's skill is the only geo "placed skill" that doesn't suffer from all the issues mentioned above, ironically by virtue of it *not* being a geo construct. geo constructs also thrive on the idea of fortifying an area--your own little corner--which is a problem when we have so many enemies and bosses who like to keep their distance and absolutely WILL NOT approach you no matter how long you wait. or alternatively, they might approach you, but they'll then just as quickly back off (rifthounds, slimes, some hilichurls, some variants of fungi, machines, literally anything that flies...) so you end up having to relocate multiple times in a fight. this means replacing all your constructs and buffs OR choosing to fight without all or some of them, making the whole process feel clunky. i understand that anemo is supposed to be THE element for crowd control and battlefield manipulation, but geo having no way to lock enemies down or bring them closer really hurts the experience overall.

Giving a geo infusion is literally a nerf to every character in the game that doesn't have geo as their Vision

@@Ben-vg6ox Not at all, because why would you include a geo equivalent of Candace or Chongyun in a non-geo team? I'll go a step further and say such a character wouldn't even be meta for a geo team. It'd mostly be for more fun teams, like if you want to be able to use Yun Jin on field and maintain the Husk bonus, or for people who don't have Albedo to fill the 4th slot of their geo team.

@@Seelenya rather than focus on defense, geo could really be the construct element. What about this idea here: after collecting x amount of elemental crystallize shards, a crossbow construct is created in that position that attacks and does physical damage. It makes sense that each and minerals are used to construct weaponry and we already have Zhong's long dong and the see-through screen that Ningguang makes. Also, the crossbow constructs would share half of the HP and def of thr character who picked up the last construct.

What would be the point? The only 3 geo on field characters worth using is Noelle c6, Ningyuan and Itto. The rest are all supports and of field dps anyway so no one would really benefit from it since it would be useless for all the main geo dps units and why would you put a infuser in just to use one of the supports like Albedo or Yunjin on field.

Lol Mihoyo has given up on geo because they know how trash it and its garbage characters are. Hopefully they stop rerunning Zhongli, Albedo, and Itto so we don’t have to see its stupid face again. Even better is if they delete the whole element and all of its useless characters too.

Constructs are character thing, not element thing. You could say that Yae Miko has constructs or Kokomi...

this won't ever happen, because the construct thing is tied to zhongli.

@@bobjones1934 how about we delete you , I think the planet will really like that idea , one less dumb Twitter user .

@@bobjones1934 troll

Why do you like or play geo? It’s the worst element in the game. You should take up something better like pyro, hydro, or cryo. That way your account will improve by a lot.

@@bobjones1934 First, I didn't say I ONLY have a Geo team, I just said that I love using it. I have a few other teams that I can use and/or make easily enough when they are needed, but Geo is more fun to me. As for the reason I like using my Geo team, it's because it lets me play a bit mindlessly, even on mobile. Having a Zhongli shield, Albedo flower, and Itto burst going at the same time and going unga bunga with big rock stick is something you don't really get to do with other playstyles, at least not as effectively.

@@allenearl1514 then get good. You only play geo because you suck at the game and have skill issue.

@@bobjones1934 Why tf are you replying to every comment that said they like geo? Did someone throw rocks at you when you were a kid or something? Or maybe you got hit in the head by said rock

@@bobjones1934 because it is their account , they enjoy geo and that is normal . Opinions aren’t facts and just because you don’t like it doesn’t make people who do wrong, it just makes you an asshole for shiting on people who do enjoy it , this game is easy af whether you play geo or any other element, so let people play what they like

Lmao fun is pure copium. You’re just grasping at straws to justify geo’s existence. Well suck it up because pyro, cryo, and hydro is the meta, and it will always be that way. There’s no room for garbage geo in the game.

@@bobjones1934 go outside

@@bobjones1934 i cant tell whether you're trolling or not, but my guy just said fun is pure copium most people play video games because they are fun 😐

@@hopefulb4712 fun is copium because people who say they play for “fun” or “waifu” are only saying that because they have trash taste in characters and are trying to justify why they use them.

@@bobjones1934 You're an elitist over elements and their function when Genshin Impact is primarily single player and non-competitive, meaning all that matters is if the player is enjoying the game regardless of how they play it. People like you are a blight on the genshin community.

Aswell Geo+Hydro = Mud: Slows any target who steps in it and the longer the target linger, it puts them in place for a brief time. Geo+Ameno = Sandstorm/Dust: Causes the target to disorient and attack it’s own foes. (if anemo was a status element) Kinda similar to Tignari E.

Geo and electro could make one of those electro rocks that zap you when you get close and explode when hit with fire.

Check the latest video in Wei's channel. I think HoYo's genshin devs are trying way too hard to be faithful in their worldbuilding concept.

Geo + hydro could also be erode deals damage over a duration of time.

there are infinite possibilities, but unfortunately this game, one of the best i've ever seen, is not ruled by intelligent people, who just have mind for business and nothing more it's plenty of creativity, ofc, but there are too many flaws or simply horrible things to leave them like they are, without thinking it could be a LOT better

I have a mono geo team with Itto and I hard agree with you, it's super fun to just unga bunga enemies after putting down your geo constructs and see gold dmg everywhere, but, sadly, it is not always viable (in abyss, since I can't even Itto burst in overworld because supports are op). Not only that, but dendro is way too much fun and easier to build. Please hoyo, let geo react with dendro! Oh and if someone asks, of course I don't only just play geo, but Ning was my first "main" so I am forever a geo main. :>

So true ,almost all geo character need you to hunt def% artifacts and need you to fight rifthound domain(lv 90) in inazuma while the new artifact for dendro artifact are so damn easy to get(for me atleast rifthound are 5x harder then any domain i fought at low ar and level)

Itto is the best 😢

What about Hydro Resonance?

@@mineadam328 No idea honestly, What can water do to soil or rock? nothing

@@Tanubtanu erosion a thing actually. I’m not sure what but it could be like a whatever % shield shred or a DoT effect?

addition, Mono Geo is actually pretty amazing team (Albedo and Zhongli). It's great for DPS without suitable support such as Ganyu and Xiao addition for 4 star friendship level farm. If you often bring random 4 star for daily friendship farm then albedo is prob the one to bring.

@@gambolarts9520 yeah saw a comment below, basically made the Crystallize work the same with the bloom if not picked up. pretty great idea imo

@caramel Thing is, the more they add characters, and the more likely it is we'll get characters with an unusual main stat for their element. Look no further than Layla, the first Cryo character that builds HP.

@@myhr2320 Second. First HP Cryo character was Diona.

@@felyndiira I stand corrected.

@@felyndiira with cryo dmg ascension stat 😑

Ningguang can stay up with a lot of 5* main dps albeit with much higher investment. It's truly a shame she doesn't have any support she can benefit from other than Zhongli. Maybe if in future we have a character that can support her that would be nice.

It’s clear now that they don’t care about geo. Honestly it’s for the better. They can go the extra step by deleting the whole element and all of its trash characters. There’s no room for them in this game.

@@bobjones1934 bro go touch some grass 💀

@@bobjones1934 you’ve been copy pasting this reply on every single comment, is everything okay at home my guy

@@jonnysetzler5859 I’m just giving my opinion. Does that give you excess anxiety or something?

@@bobjones1934 Your opinions mean absolutely nothing when you're being an elitist. Geo is the worst element, I agree, but straight up thinking it should deleted and attempting to put shame on people who use geo characters (which you have been doing under other comments) is telling of how you are as a person and the lack of value your opinions have. Stop talking.

The fact that Geo and Dendro don't react is a crime. I mean, moss literally grows on rocks!

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MHY better be figure it out soon... I hope...

It's never going to happen, geo doesn't react meaningfully with any of the other elements despite naturally being able to do in nature. Anemo doesn't directly react with Dendro either and neither does Cryo. If they don't, what hope is there for Geo. XD

It feels like it should be the case that Dendro could and should interact with Geo constructs. Have we never seen plants growing off of stones or moss on a rock and all that? Makes more sense than the idea that Plants just conduct electricity like it’s cartoon logic.

See it the same way...

Tbf Geo =/= Earth but Stone, rock solid.

right! it could work with all elements! but Hoyo doesn't want to "complicate" reactions for players.

I agree that there's a risk of unbalancing things, especially if you don't make sure you're not just buffing flex-Zhongli and not changing anything. This was my compromise solution: ROOTED - elemental reaction when a Dendro infused enemy hits a Geo or Crystallized shield on your character, causing the enemy to be rooted in place for 6 seconds and take one tick of damage every 2 seconds (based on shield strength) for the duration. The damage tick counts as an elemental reaction. Hitting a rooted enemy with Cryo, Pyro, Hydro, or Electro breaks the root and turns the remaining damage ticks into a heal for the same amount. (This is to prevent just buffing the flex Zhongli teams instead of buffing Geo.)

I think the risk of unbalancing depends on the nature of the reaction. The first thing to keep in mind is that geo does not leave geo on an enemy. Like anemo, it can only cause the reaction. It cannot set it up. So that means the geo character has to be the one with EM. Now, look at Kokomi or Raiden. With Dendro, both are being used to trigger reactions. But both have to give up their normal main stats to fill that role. Kokomi, without her hp, is a lot less effective as a healer. Raiden is only used for her E, and not her burst. The same would hold true for Zhongli. If he needs 1000 EM to be worthwhile, his hp total would plummet, and with it, his shield power. Itto isn't a problem, because, again, he can't build for EM and defense. And just by including some elemental source for him to proc off, you're giving up a slot that is currently occupied by someone Gorou buffs. And assuming you want to keep Gorou, your team is now Gorou, elemental applicator, and Itto, and probably Zhongli in the 4th slot. So you've given up Albedo. Itto triggering some reactions is not going to make up for that. The second thing to keep in mind is that Geo doesn't need to necessarily interact better with everything. It just needs to have a worthwhile interaction with something. Like, say, a non-crystalize reaction with Dendro, both a hyperbloom/burgeon equiv and a direct interaction. Heck, a geo bloom variant would be nice in that the self damage blooms do would add value to crystalize (which you'd get from such a team, due to geo triggering off the hydro in said team).

@@Axterix13 you just agreed with me entirely. A new Geo reaction would need to do a lot for it to really be relevant. That's the essence of my comment.

Well that be powercreep and even if nobody would care it still doesnt change the fundemental problem for all other geo charecters

@@pavelmitris8036 I mean Nilou's thing is that only Hydro and Dendro can exist or her passive shuts off, the new unit could have something similar where if there's nothing to Crystallize their passive shuts off too.

@@pavelmitris8036 There is no fundamental problem on the geo character themselves. There is however a fundamental problem on the ELEMENT itself. Geo Characters are literally at the mercy of their element, change their element into anything aside from geo and they'll be decent to broken characters. Only thing fundamentally broken to them is their own base element.

@@jelly2882 I mean ur only half right because hyv continued to pump out def scaleing for geo, also geo charecters are designed right now to promote that mono team style with their abilitys of buffing def and geo dmg like gorou, so ya technicaly if they change up geo element in to more reaction based 3 geo charecters + 1 w/e element would most likely still dominate over other teams, ofcourse that all depends on how and even if they change geo at all. But saying that geo charecters are fine as they are isnt really right, because again, like take bennett the universal support he can buff any element techicaly, so can sucrose and its the same for mona, but only geo charecters are focused on buffing the scaleing that only other geo charecters have, now its not like said gorou cant buff other elements its just nobody cares about def or geo dmg cept for geo charecters so ya they do have issues.

@@pavelmitris8036 I still stand by what i said. Change any of these Geo Characters into any element and they become decent to borderline broken. Zhongli + Albedo, change them into any of pyro, hydro and electro and they'll be amazing offfield applyier/dps (especially Albedo with his EM buff). Change Itto, Noel and Ninguang into Cryo or Pyro and they'll be decent to broken dps. Yunjin and Gorou are stand alones since their buffers and their kit will be tailored to which ever element they'll change into; Basically niche supports. You can't compare them to Bennet and Sucrose since they're byproducts of Hoyoverse's old phylosophy of "make 4 stars viable by making them universal in nature" hence you get units like Xiangling,Bennet,Xingqui, Sucrose,Fschl etc which are borderline to literally broken units. When was the last time we had a universal support/buffer that is not Anemo??? Exactly. Point still stands, the Characters and kits themselves don't have any fundamental problems and if the kit does have a problem it's not the kit's fault but its Geo as an element at fault since again they are at the mercy of their Element. The element itself is fundamentally broken. Change their element into any other element and they'll be good. Edit:Grammar/spellling

Why do you main geo? It’s the worst element with some of the worst and most useless characters in the game. If you actually had a brain, you’d main a good element like cryo, hydro, or pyro, not something trash like geo. Just my two cents.

@@bobjones1934 hallo! i know you didn't ask me specifically but as a geo main myself, i may have some answers if you'd like to know. just ignore me if you don't hehe. some reasons in no particular order: - no luck with artifact stats besides def/hp - accidentally got geo characters - bored - bored of meta - simp - actually likes the characters - just like chaos - whaled for geo and is stubborn about it either way, this neglected element still has a place in the game and in the hearts of many. hope this answers your question! :>

@@bobjones1934 See I'm all for meta discussion but your really giving meta players a bad name. I'm usually annoyed with the "this game is too easy to care about that" mindset but in this case, the game is literally too easy to care that much about what element you main. It's a simple answer really, they probably find a lot of the geo characters fun, simple as that and that's coming from someone who hates geo.

@@floofthedoof those reasons are bullshit

@@moodindigx9407 if someone finds playing the worst element “fun,” idk what to say

lol how did you "mess up" an account?

Im too lazy to read the rest of the text but anyways If you are feeling desperate for a shielder, and doesn't have Zhongli, Thoma is a good option Ningguang Albedo Thoma Xiangling is great well, I'm taking mostly about a C6 but that's easy to achieve

As someone with a triple crowned Ning, I'd say that Zhongli isn't a must have for her, though he is definitely nice for his resist debuff. HIs shield, though? I run mine with Diona, Shenhe, and Albedo/Yun Jin. That gives me an initial shield and healing if I do take some damage, but also plenty of cryo application to crystalize (and 15% crit rate for cryo resonance, plus 15% DMG from Shenhe). Now not saying cryo is the way to go (because Benny Boy, but I play almost exclusively female only, so he's not an option for me), just that frequent cryo/pyro/hydro/electro application means you'll crystalize a ton. But, of course, Zhongli is plenty of uses, so if you have him, he's definitely not a bad choice to use. What I do recommend is a Kagura's Verity. Best weapon for Ning by far.

Thats already an artifact set

sadly this is true it is already an artifact set

Maybe if they exploded based on EM or replicated what Zhongli's shield does and shred defense based on EM

Petra set did that but its pretty hard to use properly

Petra exists play the game please

balancing anemo out a bit more, and not having it be a be all and all with alot of teams

@@animenerd1106 yea, anemo not reacting with Geo alredy make Geo significantly worse beacause CC is so good be it in domain, abyss or even just exploration and VV set make anemo super broken among general element except for Geo, granted Dendro can't react with anemo too but Dendro have fantastic reaction with other element and any other element but geo work great with anemo so Dendro and anemo still have synergy albeit it is bridged by other element while Geo is just Geo

they kinda do that with archaic petra but it is cumbersome to use so people can't be bothered single geo character kinda meh while duo is restrictive on top of the best geo support pair being both 5 star

@@Seelenya As far as I'm aware, physical relies on superconduct and geo resonance, not with itself. And how could physical rely on itself anyways?

@@arzoucaillou5107 Pretty easily, actually. Eula, for example, debuffs phys resists by up to 23% (though ideally, you want her C2 for this, so you get the 4s cool down on her hold E). Xinyan debuffs phys resists. Rosaria and Shenhe, both debuff phys resists. You can always use Zhongli for his resist debuff as well. So you could easily make a phys based team that uses Eula, Rosaria/Zhongli/Shenhe, Yun Jin or Xinyan (or an off-fielder like Yelan or Albedo), and, say, a non-C6 Bennett. Not hard to push the resists of non-robot mobs below 0%, at which point the benefit gets halved, and even against robots, knocking 40%+ off their resists means that you can easily chop up all but the cranked up Abyss bosses. As far as geo resonance goes, not really worthwhile going for. Phys gets more DMG than other damage types (as in, a phys DMG cup provides more DMG than a pyro cup), so the DMG from geo resonance tends to help it less than, say, 15% crit rate from cryo or 25% atk from pyro. Furthermore, Eula's C1 buffs phys DMG. Xinyan buffs DMG while her shield is up. Shenhe buffs DMG for all attack types. It is also pretty common to find phys DMG on weapons. Basically, the devs make it easier to get DMG for phys to make up for the lack of reactions. And that means that extra DMG from the geo resonance has a tendency to result in less of an overall damage increase (percentage-wise) than it does for other elements. Of course, individual geo characters, like Zhongli or Yun Jin can be worth using, so you can get wind up with geo resonance as a nice bonus. But that's all it should be. There are two things that do hold such a team back, though. The first is a lack of another 5-star DPS phys character. Eula's DPS is considerably higher during her burst period than out of it, so you ideally want another character to swap to during that time. Part of why Raiden pairs so well with her (though, obviously, energy regen and super conduct are also there). The second is shields.

electro was always better than geo. soup and taser teams have been pretty good even prior to dendro

Electro was much better than Geo even before Dendro’s release. Having Electro charge and Swirl and even overvape subreaction wasn’t a joke

Electro had always been better than Geo. The Dendro reactions just made Electro stronger and made it go higher into the list at 3rd place behind Hydro and Anemo, although the gap between Electro and those 2 are pretty big, Electro is no doubt one of the best elements right now.

electro had THREE reactions that actually did damage before this. It was always better than Geo. Not to mention the archon singlehandedly made all the element's weaknesses irrelevant.

It was already good and most certainly better than this atrocity of an element XD It had Electrocharged which is considered one of the best reactions in the game, Dendro just have it a further bump But it's fine, I can see why you would think this because Electro was DRAGGED through mud by majority of content creators

@kollie79 bennett is less needed in a geo comp considering the amount of atk you get during your burst and the def boost from gorou being insane. benny'll probably be more useful in other teams. all you need for itto is gorou and if you have him albedo is a really good choice. zhongli can fit in but so can anyone else tbh (i see fischl being used as a good battery) that is of course not to say bennett is a wasted slot

We still don’t have a hyper carry dendro character my hopes are on haytham lol

But every element except Geo relies on other elements to perform their best. And I'd say Anemo is more guilty of this because at least there's an artifact set which decreases Dendro RES (unlike VV which only buffs other elements).

I think if and when we get a dendro shield character and a dendro healer, we’ll see an uptick on double dendro synergy.

@@KrisPBacon69 While this is true the other elements dont need to rely on it as heavily as dendro does. Pyro is usually a bunch of aoe except for yoimiya and big hits on their own, Hydro makes surviving easier with its resonance and characters who are capable of healing except for 3 of them (yes mona *can* heal with protitype and so does xingqiu), Electro is about energy generation so that means kore bursts and thus more damage, cryo simply being applied slows down enemies and can give itself crit rate through resonance, Anemo has cc and gives cooldown reduction and stamina reduction through resonance, and geo is geo. Dendro gives EM through resonance and doesnt have any inate qualities about the element portrayed through its characters or the element itself like anemo's CC, geo's constructs, pyros large amount of aoe attacks, or cryo's slowdown through its aura. Excluding artifacts because we all know anemo would NOT be the best element without VV it still wouldn't be the worst in a mono element team. Dendro only gives em through resonance and theres nothing dendro usually does simply for being dendro and would fall to the very bottom in terms of how well it would perform. It has no grouping capabilities (anemo), fast attacks and quick energy generation (electro), large aoe (pyro), life prolonging utility (hydro), constructs to shape the battlefield (geo though it definitely gives itself more than just that), or crit rate and reduction of enemy movement (cryo). Sure dendro characters scale with EM usually except collei but dendro itself cant do anything without reactions. If you exclude reactions dendro falls to the very bottom of how effective it is on its own as an element

@@KrisPBacon69 Faruzan will shred Anemo, by 40%, basically VV but it's a character XD

But maybe they could add just one fun new reaction for those of us who are rooting for geo, to give it that extra little sparkly moment of relevance 😅

No, characters is how Mihoyo earns money, they kept Geo like that because it isnt popular, its not worth the resources invested. Why would you gamble on Geo rework when Raiden is the most sold banner, Kazuha the most used character in abyss and so on?

this makes no sense, the only geo character available to you normally is noelle, and most people that play do not like her gameplay, even if they like geo. they would have to learn about the game to even decide they'd want more geo characters, which means they would have to learn about reactions in the first place. not to mention, after watching new people play, when they don't care about reactions, they don't go to geo (not that they could anyway) they just... spam whoever they like that they happen to have

@@silverYolo You have a point and it seems that I’ve made a mistake, not caring about reactions isn’t the only reason one decide to play Geo, perhaps they’ve learnt the reactions but don’t want to remember or can’t remember it, or maybe because setting up reactions all the time can be quite tedious for some people. But my point still stands is that Geo is not as “difficult” as other element, and some people find appeal in this. It’s not to say that it is a brain dead thing like spamming random characters, but the shield, the simple rotation and their main form of damage is just going into normal attack mode or press one button like Ningquang means that it is rather ‘casual’. And apparently, considering Mihoyo’s actions, there are more casual Genshin players than the dedicated ones.

@@rsfakqj10rsf-33 again, this makes no sense. people are not playing geo because they hate other reactions or find them difficult to do. most new people who don't care about reactions just take whatever characters they have and spam their abilities together, which results in reactions anyway. this also doesn't make sense from a difficulty standpoint because they would literally have to learn about reactions and characters anyway to decide that, and setting up a geo team is harder (and more expensive) anyway, because they'd still have to get the right characters, gear, and rotations, which is completely out of line for the whole "geo is less difficult" thing and also lastly doesn't make sense from a difficulty standpoint because this implies that a) all geo characters are simple to use and b) no other character in another element is simple to use. why would someone seek out to build a geo team (that does in fact require work to do) when they can take the 3 characters they got from wishing on whatever current banner because they looked cool and spamming their simple abilities?

🌸❤️It is a gem this comment and a comment deserving of far more likes than it has received thus far!❤️🌸

Holy ಠಿ⁠_⁠ಠ

Same as my C0 Raiden with R5 Catch.

​@kollie79 That's the point. You need Itto, you need well invested Gorou and you need Albedo. IT'S A BIG INVESTMENT FOR SMALL RETURN.

@kollie79 yep the shield was the mechanic. As well as the current Abyss which needs Dendro and Electro (or at least Electro). Soon the Dendro Hypostasis will require a Dendro character. But for the majority of times over the last two years, yea it's mostly just the shield that I referred to. The flex slot is not available many of time, be cause two problems, first is team comp (the flex character might not meet the expectation for my team rotation) and second is they would run into multiple element types of shield, which 1 flex character can't do all the work. Back then I even have 2 Geo teams, which each team has one flex slot. But as time goes on, things change and I have to get rid of one. And not to say even though both of my Geo teams was pretty well invested, the dmg is way too impractical for clearing Abyss as well as taking care of the mechanics.

@kollie79 I mains Noelle, she needs batteries, so any characters that can't provide a decent battery for Noelle will get rejected from the first place.

@kollie79 In my experiences, it does. Noelle can't generate any particles for herself.

​@kollie79 Ohhh, I see, ma bad for missing the topic. I still stand by my point tho 🙄

@kollie79 - imo cause mhy make it very clear that reaction is core part of it combat, not even about the current meta but i'm talking how mhy design the game, reaction have always been the core part of the game combat. - Also a fun part of genshin is messing around with different team comp and a lot of variation. This is possible to thanks to reaction cause it give you option and larger pool of char to choose from to build team. - Geo being mono is bad thing cause yeah it fun unga bunga for while then what, you can't change anything cause there is no other option for geo and the pool is extremely small if you only able to do mono geo. - and if you waiting for new char then if we lucky, we might get 1 geo char per year but how many team do we get to test them with them with cause back to earlier problem, mono geo team don't have much team anyway. if they work the current mono geo team then it great but if they don't, now what? we waited for 1 year for a new geo char that doesn't work well with other elements due to it being geo and then it couldn't work well with mono geo - lastly from business standpoint, why would they want to make a geo char? If they know geo is not very interactable with other element meaning most people that like to play with elemental reaction, which is the majority of genshin player imo, will definitely hestitate to gacha for the char (even if they like the char cause there might be a char they also like coming soon with more option/interaction with other elements than geo) or even don't bother checking out the char cause it geo.

I’m with you here, like the characters within geo are strong but that’s mainly due the character themselves being strong rather than the actual element being strong. Sure, geo is inert and basically stands on its own, but well, you’ve already mentioned the problems with this. It just goes against the inherent design of the game. Honestly just wished they did more things revolving around crystalize and make geo the opposite of anemo or rather just expand on this because the 4 pc archiac petra exists but no one can truly use it for supporting bar Zhongli and that only if he’s ran in international for the unstaggarable to go crazy with Childe but you sacrifice a bit of damage where you get less shred cause 20% from Zhongli vs 40% from VV, no EM buff from sucrose, but you do get a higher elemental dmg bonus of +35% which doesn’t compensate enough if you make the comparison to how much Kazuha buffs. Like I wanna see crystalize buffer than shreds on crystalize and runs the 4 pc archaic petra. A “reverse Kazuha” of sorts

@kollie79 Maybe they meant in terms of their own teams? For geo, that has proven to be good as a standalone team, it is just Itto (or Noelle) hypercarry. The units themselves aren't underwhelming at all, it's just the roster that's pretty underwhelming because there's way less choices despite already being two years in. And in terms of being separated; Yunjin, Albedo, and Zhongli are the only ones that can be considered the most versatile among them, while Noelle and Ningguang are the most optional to build. It's really down to geo needing more time to release more characters and weapons, but it seems like that won't be too often, especially since dendro and elemental reactions are what Hoyo is eyeing right now.

@kollie79 you are describing the specific characters of geo users not the actual element itself. With the introduction of the dendro reactions it's sad to see that geo barely does anything now. It's not a weak element at all, its just the worst one compared to any other element.

True. Gorou is the only support, Yun Jin only synergizes with Noelle, Noelle is a budget Itto, Ning fell off (Tighnari is litteraly her but Dendro btw), Zhongli is... Well good investment if you have skill issues, Albedo is a must have for mono Geo, Itto is the only viable DPS and Geo traveler is clunky. Basically, Geo characters suck and we need more of them. We need some good 4* that are available to us because Geo is too exclusive and we need a standard Geo 5* DPS who would synergize with both new supports and the old ones, they can also have lower celling than Itto, doesn't matter just give us something XD

Nah, Geo has no underwhelming unit: -Zhongli has the strongest shield in the game -Albedo Is a decent Flex slot in many teams -Itto and C6 Noelle are pretty good Main Dps -Gorou Is the best support for Geo units, while Yunjn Is the best One for NA focused characters (except Ayato) -Geo Traveler gives CR, has decent particle generation and does decent damage -And Ningguang, who's the weakest Geo character, can do a decent amount of damage when properly built The problem with Geo Is that most of teams are very expensive and, as an element, It provides nothing outside of the character's kit. The only way I can see Hoyoverse buffing Geo atm, Is by introducing a EM scaling Geo character.

@@kawaiimika7974 How's Geo Traveler clunky?!🤣 You literally Just Hold your E and Press Q.

What really made VV better than petra is that it also boosts the damage of your anemo unit. Petra does nothing for your geo char.

@@fleur7674 Yeah. If it like boosted shield strength or resistance to interruption of the entire team + elemental buff it would have been better. Just like VV shreds resistances AND buffs swirl damage.

Would like to see crystallize be rework so that it will explode in an aoe of the element of the crystal shard based on the damage it would take when it breaks so that the elemental damage part is utilized. Sadly, hoyov just wants to make side games than introducing gameplay improvements or introduce a limited 5 star character that would be "geo buff" so that they can milk it.

🌸❤️I could not concur with your sentiments any more than I do and am glad I am not alone in my appreciation of Geo for what it is!❤️🌸

@@CoolSuperBear Oh that's fair. I can agree with to that. My bias was showing a little. I didn't want to hear Geo be called bad in the first place, guess I can thank Tectone for that... And thank you for the essay. Discussions are nice.

i don't disagree with you but the problem is the game combat is all around elemental reaction as it core so for a geo to be non reactive with other element will hurt geo and it char roster in the long run imo

I like Geo a lot but its still the worst when compared to other six. It would make sense for crystalize to drain a lot of shield from the enemies but it barely does anything.