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Destruction was supposed to be Jack of all trades, master of none. Instead it became. Jack of all trades, MASTER OF ALL

They need to make better erudition units, it’s as simple as that. Jing yuan isn’t even that bad but something about the entire erudition path feels off.

In theory Destruction characters are supposed to be bruisers, but I think Hoyo kind of forgot about that fact. Since Lunae and Jingliu have the power of Hunt units along with the AoE potential of Erudition it's not surprising that it feels like Destruction is overpowering the other paths. Especially Erudition, it kind of feels like they've completely lost their identity already.

I think that hoyo tried making destruction high reward high risk, by eating up hp(or skill points) to make the rotation more harder because if you don't do it right the damege will fall (and your character with it) the only reason why it isn't much of a problem is because we have great supports

one idea would be to add a buff to each class that all units of that class share. for example, erudition units deal more dmg the more enemies there are, hunt units deal more damage the less enemies there are, and destruction units deal more damage the lower they are. that way each class is better for a certain type of combat

I do want to point out that the problem with destruction was apparent to anyone who had Clara in 1.0, if you had her E1 she was better than any Erudition character at thier job with a better element and still had all of her counter damage.

my prediction is as the game progress, classes in the game will be blurred with unit overlapping each other. we already see it with Fu Xuan and HuoHuo where defence type class (Preservation & Abudance) giving buff to teammate

A thing not discussed in this video but I think bears bringing up for Erudition characters in general: not only did Mhy not give the Erudition cast solid numbers (Qingque as a half-exception), they also hamstrung them with their light cone options. The only "accessible" five star, Night On The Milky Way, actively gets *worse* in most boss fights, since the more enemies you kill, the further the buff drops off, making your Erudition wave-clearer's power nadir even more painful. The f2p four star options are a complete tossup- Make The World Clamor only affects ultimate damage, Birth of The Self only buffs followup attacks, and while Genius' Repose gives a ton of crit damage, it's sort of a side grade to The Seriousness of Breakfast, which is the only universally solid Erudition light cone. Hunt characters have the same amount of 4 star options, but their options are considerably less niche: Swordplay gives stacking damage% as long as you're hitting the same enemy, Subscribe For More gives damage% on your basics and skills, even River Flows In Spring's conditional buff is universal and reliable for hunt characters due to their decreased threat level. But none of those really matter for the average player, because they have a fantastic, totally free option in Cruising In The Stellar Sea. If you only have one Hunt carry you're building, you can kind of ignore the gacha entirely and have a fully imposed CITSS in a few weeks from the jump. Destruction characters? Destruction characters have it even *better*. Something Irreplacable gives a ton of free stats and survivability while utilizing Destruction's increased threat level, and On The Fall Of An Aeon is a pretty equivalent giant stat-stick that's entirely free to play accessible. A Secret Vow is one of the most universally useful four start light cones in the game, and even the less stellar four stars like Nowhere To Run, The Moles Welcome You and Under The Blue Sky are considerably less niche than the entire four star roster for Erudition. It boggles my mind that they prioritized adding a Nihility light cone to the Herta Shop over Erudition when Nihility already has some of the best 4 star options *and* they had already had entries for the two other primary damage paths in there.

The fact that Destruction characters sometimes have eidolons that focuses their damage on a single target further makes me think Hoyo is playing favorites

Its a bit concerning star rail's meta has already shiftet a lot from hunt to destruction, genshin needed 1-2 years to shift from hypercarrys to reaction spam

This is just like when yomiya released "oh no she can only deal single target dmg". A year later and the abyss was filled with single target bosses. Its very likely that content favoring hunt and erudition will come over time.

In words of Dr. Zajef, In Genshin, there are more dimensions for characters to be worth pulling for- easy of play, gameplay design, Animations in overworld - with exploration being a much bigger part etc. But in a turn based game like honkai, powercreep would be much faster as characters would has less dimensions to be worth pulling for.

If they made Erudition characters have permanent damage buffs scaling with enemies killed, it could make Erudition way stronger.

Good video. All I want to add is I think the real draw of hunt units isn't so much single target damage, but single target damage PLUS their ability to cheat the turn limit. This is why Dan Heng original and yanqing aren't standing the test of time as well next to extra turn Seele, self advance Sushang and "I get two turns minimum every round plus an ultimate that gives me another 2" Topaz. Or at the very least I'm hoping that's how it's gonna go. We'll see when L+Ratio comes out, but I think that would be the most interesting thing that could be done with Hunt characters.

"A jack of all trades is a master of none, but often times better than a master of one." This sums up Destruction well. Because they are general DPS, their application and ability to be the central to any team outshines the specialized Hunt and Erudition. Especially so when their Eidolons strengthen their shortcomings. This is only made more apparent because Destruction has a higher HP as well so they aren't a much glass cannons.

It's not just a Destruction doing better than Hunt or Erudition thing, it's been less than a year and already characters are doing things outside their class designation Fu Xuan is the most egregious example, as while protecting her team as a Preservation, she also buffs their HP and heals them like an Abundance, while buffing Crit Rate (and later Crit Damage at E1) like Harmony There is fair reason to run Hunt, but there's almost zero reason to run Erudition ... Hoyoverse wants Himeko dead so much that they already killed her whole class XD

Blade I was understanding of cause he fits the self sacrificing /self destructive bruiser play style while the only thing lunae destroys is your skill points at lower eidolons. Jing Liu goes against that self destructive play style and actively damages your team if they re-released her as hunt or erudition nobody would be able to tell. Oh and another thing, damn the last three were edgy I guess it is to balance the personalities of the destruction class with three cheerful/playful characters and three edgy characters.

And then we have Qingque who is Erudition masquerading as a Destruction unit.

Actually, Jingyuan is the best Erudition character since the less the enemies there are, the better the spread of the damage of Lightning Lord. If, for example, there is only one boss left, all of the damage stacks of LL is poured to it instead of spreading it. So, in case of JY, his damage output (particularly LL) is consistent whethere there be more enemies or one.

Qingque feel more like a destruction character more than a erudition character

Another thing with most destruction units is that they self sabotage to deal more damage, like Blade, Jingliu, Dan Heng² or even Arlan, which is a really cool idea, playing with fire to win faster. The problem is that the cost isn't as high as the reward, and can be easily nullified by having a good team. Or Luocha. Especially Luocha. Bro heals automatically and farm skill points like a mumbo jumbo Minecraft farm Maybe keeping the destruction damage that high but making them riskier to use is a good way to go ?

Main reason Destruction is dominating is that the enemy lineup caters to it to sell the last 3 Destruction DPS in a row. It would be quite easy to generate anti-Destruction meta by shifting the enemies in MOC. For instance, 5 enemies all of which are high priority, otherwise they do something bad. Erudition would be able to hit all of them to keep them all at bay, Destruction not so much. Or 2 enemies, but one of them you don't want to hit right now otherwise they counter and oneshot your team. Hunt would be able to isolate, Destruction would be forced to eat it.

My thought was that hunt and erudition were designed to complement each other so you'd play both in one team. While destruction is more like a mix of both to be used by themselves

It's funny because when the game first came out, the description for destro path was "Deals outstanding amounts of damage and possesses great survivability. Suitable for various combat scenarios." At that time, I was thinking "why would you ever not take the best tools for any job? hunt does single-target better, erudition does aoe better, preservation does tanking better." It didn't help that our first destro character, MC, is exactly that kind of generalist bruiser character that is outclassed in every category. I think someone at Hoyoverse saw that, and they ended up swapping the "trade HP for damage" destruction sub-theme in place of the original bruiser conceptualization. Which is good, in theory. It does give the path an actually unique identity, albeit a totally different one from the one we thought we were getting. The issue is that this is fundamentally a game of attrition, which means that every team is going to have someone providing sustain. This mitigates (or outright eliminates) the HP trade-off to the point where it's *always* worth it. I don't think we need (or want) destro to go back to being the jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none, we just need to push destro closer to the edge where that trade-off is sometimes not worth it. That could be by changing the amount of HP destro characters have to pay or, since Hoyoverse won't retroactively nerf released characters, create content that limits or punishes you for healing. Or better yet, just buff hunt and erudition by leaning into their own subthemes, speed and turn manipulation and follow-up attacks respectively.

honestly if they just made erudition characters with crazy bounce abilities erudition would be way better

My only complaint for these characters is just how easy and low-risk high-reward their kits are. If you are gonna throw in a character that has a potential to steam roll at least make it so that there are some actual conditions to fulfill or risks to consider that justifies the absurd damage output.

Oh believe me, as a Honkai Impact 3rd player, once seemingly broken characters get powercreeped almost immediately

Erudition is meant to be aoe, but of the five current ones, only Herta actually attacks everyone. Qingque's enhanced basic does blast damage, Serval and Himeko's skills are blast, and Jing Yuan's Lightning Lord functions as a blast attack. Herta is the only one who attacks all enemies with all of her abilities (minus her basic attack of course). Which means that destruction characters can do almost as much aoe as erudition. Why take the wave clearing characters when the bruisers functionally do the same thing with better damage? Hopefully, we'll either get bosses that frequently fill the field or more erudition characters to balance the game out.

Multi limb bosses sharing a single.health pool would be awesome. The extra limbs just needs to have break gauges as their form of hp to disable them when broken

I think Topaz was mainly put in the game to Fix Jingyuan's and Clara's main issue. With her buff Jingyuan can consistently deal a lot single target damage, same with Clara and unlike them who attack sparingly, Numby has like 3 turns every cycle and can break toughness bars easily.

Honestly I think a bonus thing that affects all limited DPS (besides the saturation of destruction vs other paths so most content us geared towards destruction atm) is the lack of good lightcones and how certain relic sets also suck for said characters. Like kit design and multipliers are definitely important, but I feel like it's an extra low blow when you try building JY only to get 4pc lightning set and s5 seriousness of breakfast because it's the best available atm, like it's kinda funny how ass some lc and relics are and you're better aiming for 2pc sets because there's nothing better in the game lmao

And you know what's extra funny is that Qinqgque, the best Erudition character, is primarily a BLAST attacker unlike her class mates. She's really the odd one out in Erudition.

0:40 dam bro you hit us with the Pela cutscene 😭 very good Pela/Lynx companion quest

0:17 In HI3, units get crept every patch, as the new unit usually replaces an old unit due to overlapping roles. Some 5*s ended up dying in one or even zero patches (Red Seele/Starchasm Nyx)

Just happened to click on your video since I recently got into star rail and just realized whose video I was watching! I used to watch your maplestory content a ton back in the day, glad to see that you're still doing your thing!

The main problem i've noticed with characters is there are too many. Every patch gives 2 brand new units to pull. Its hard enough to pull all the ones I want but also don't have the RSS to build 2 or 3 per patch. A full rerun patch would be nice

i mean genshin kinda did the power creep thing at the beginning with diluc then xiao then ganyu then hu tao, all being better than the last each patch, and also swords tend to be the best (bennet , xingqiu, kazuha, ayaka, al haitham, nilou, and maybe furina soon)

One reason I like hunt characters is because of their ability (in theory) to uniquely take down priority targets rapidly. I think the example of the exploding beetles in swarm disaster is a good idea in that direction. I really appreciate having the option to focus them down with Sushang before they explode. I do agree with your concern, but Chicken Girl is going to be on my team regardless.

(Original comment was about a spelling mistake) Pretty interesting video, I don't even play Star Rail that much, but it's always fun watching these kinds of discussion topics.

Honkai Star Rail Paths in a Nutshell: Destruction: Kill Everything The Hunt: One Enemy at a time Erudition: Two or Three Enemies at a time Harmony: Buffs Friends Nihility: Debuffs Enemies Preservation: Defense Abundance: Healer

Smart and enjoyable analysis. Seems like you wrote a script and actually took the time to piece a good video together. So many creators just read skill descriptions, shoot off of the hip and call it content. This seems both more deep and wide than that. Keep it up friend.

I feel like this is routed in a similar problem of Genshin: Character cost. Specifically, the cost of building a viable unit. Unit costs are so high that it's much more efficient to focus on 2-3 dps units and the rest of their teams. Mihoyo knows this and tries to balance the game around this. Meaning that 3 enemies or 1 boss with adds is most easily cleared by all classes. If it was 5 enemies, Hunt would suffer immensly and if it was a single boss, erudition would suck. So they settled for the middle of the road because that would be the most enjoyable content for all different classes. If I happen to only like Hunt, I'll dread any aoe. And it's not like I can just raise an Erudition on the drop of a hat.

You mentioned that Erudition characters could use a way to condense their AoE damage in single target scenarios, Jing Yuan does exactly that (Lightning Lord) and it's not always enough and in worst cases, actively hurts you because the spread of the attacks with several enemies is random.

i think they can release a nihility unit that debuff the enemy to spread damage to adjacent enemy (good for hunt)

I feel like the biggest problem is that DIL and Jingliu do more dmg than seele in single target. That should never happen.

The damage scaling suppose to in the order : HUNT > Destruction > erodition. And draw back of specific path suppose to be hunt : lack versatility, destruction : speed, erodition : single target DMG. Since MoC don't have path restriction you can just brute force all the way upto 10 just by using meta destruction characters with SW.

Whenever this topic is mention I always say 3 things: 1. Characters are mostly balanced, and work as intended. 2. The reason why Destruction characters are the best is that current end game content is just something that you want to use Blast damage to deal with, and it will change once we get encounters that want single target or AoE damage. 3. Destruction needs to remain the best at dealing with content that wants Blast damage, otherwise we end up in a situation where the path is pointless in end game. Now that I got that out of the way, I also want to mention few other things: - Current Destruction meta is also a result of not having any limited 5* Harmony characters, so Bronya barely has any competition, and due to how strong she is, she ends up boosting the value of other characters depending on how well she works with them, and Destruction characters usually work the best with her mechanics, so this should be reduced once we start getting alternatives. -We are still in early stages of the game, and characters that are released now are mostly generalists, that don't really focus too much on something, which is kinda the description of Destruction, but as time will go we will see more and more specialists like Topaz. -For some reason people don't understand that what the game is telling you about paths is a short oversimplification, that is meant to give you a good idea of what a path usually ends up doing, but that description isn't what characters are designed around, so to give an example: Erudition is apath of the mage characters, that have big damage nukes, usually requiring somewhat specific conditions to trigger them, and the fact that they are AoE is merely a way to keep it balanced. Also they completely miss the fact that it is what they exceed at, and not the only thing that they are allowed to do (in that world we would only have like 3 unique characters for each one of the support paths).

If you see it from a different point of view Destruction characters have the perfrect balance of damage. On the hand tho you can say that they're made to be balanced alone. So if you add up general supports like Bronya and Tingyun (ig harmony overall) they're broken Meanwhile Hunt and Erudition, being specialised in st/aoe, they need synergy with a team to shine. Perfect example for now is mono quantum: Seele: Hunt, specialised in st Silver Wolf: Nihility, core if the team allowing Seele to hit harder + making the team universal in pretty much all content Fu Xuan: Preservation, keeps the team alive while being a great thoughness breaker and brings slight support for the team Qingque: Erudition, while Lynx is better for safety measures if you add Qingque you have the main dps prioritising the boss and the sub-dps priotising the mobs Sorry for long text but my poiny being that maybe in a few patches we'll get a solid team that has Jing Yuan/Argenti as main dos whild the rest of a team have a role as well. Cause if you look at Destruction teams rn they pretty much follow the generic formula of harmony/nihility for more damage, L U O C H A, and pretty much a free slot for another harmony/nihility since Destruction doesn't need synergy to kick *ss

That's probably because Arlan solo carries all of the destruction path's power.

actually, this vid made me appreciate the interesting utility of topaz & numby and potential future topaz-likes. i've been having a blast using them in double dps teams with jing yuan and himeko, although admittedly, both my topaz and himeko are fairly stacked. combining the unique strengths of hunt and erudition in a synergistic way feels like i'm not losing out on damage or coverage with a double team over a destruction hypercarry comp.

I actually was just about to ask you about a really interesting article I stumbled on that hits on the same points regarding Star Rail vs Genshin and why they've essentially been driven back to Genshin despite the QoL mechanics that Star Rail has for the gacha style of gameplay both offer. Their comment essentially boiled down to this; Star Rail has become almost exclusively FOMO as just about every single character coming out is just another flavor of 'MOARDMG!' and they basically already had all they needed by the third banner release. Genshin, by comparison, at a minimum brings a lot of personality in how characters do what they do and, at best, each approach a character has is almost wholly unique. And I can see their point. In Star Rail I got Jing Yuan, Silver Wolf, Kafka, IL Dan Heng, Fu Xuan, and finally Topaz. I can do every single ounce of content just ham-fisting through it with IL Dan Heng using Silver Wolf (who I honestly don't even need there either; weakness break be damned) but I need a second party for MoC so it becomes whether I feel like Kafka or Jing Yuan/Topaz. I felt no compulsion whatsoever for Seele's rerun or Jingliu because...why? Felt the same way about Blade. The ONLY one I regret is Luocha just because of how fire-forget he is for the support/healer spot, but I don't actually have to have him. I have Bailu and Fu Xuan. Contrast that to Genshin's newest two characters whose names I won't even attempt to spell, lol. I own every character in Genshin and I saw a hydro laser and cryo fists and went, "Oh that looks cool as hell!" so I got them. Could I have done just fine with every other party I had up to that point? Yeah, but these two brought a fresher take on fights that just felt great to experience. With Star Rail you've got DoT DPS, Skill Points DPS, and Build-Up-A-Passive DPS and every single character released feels like it only brings one thing to the table; the fact that you don't have them yet.

Jingliu with Blade and a healer is soooo good and yeah I agree, it doesn’t really feel the same and as cohesive with other paths. Hope they fix that in the future.

As soon as the video started, I noticed the Fire Emblem music. Nice.

For real though, what happened to Erudition path? We haven't had a decent erudition character. Qingque is a hidden 5* destruction/hunt, and for a limited 5*, Jing Yuan is kinda underwhelming unless you invest eevrything onto him, but you would get arguably better results with the same investment on other limited 5* DPS Is Erudition just a discount/weaker Destruction or Hunt with AoE skill?

This powercreep feeling is what makes honkai impact 3rd alive, every new chacarter just outshine so hard the old ones that makes impossible to skip new characters, to me this is a honkai universe problem sinse is the same team

I do not play Star rail but my sister does and as a classical music enjoyer her theme did not escape me. "Wow this character is cool what does she do?" "She is a dps but does not deal damage" "What?" "She along with this idiot(I think his name is Sanpo?) apply so many debuffs that enemies die by themselves" She seems like that character who is never the best option but always a meta one.

I think hunt is fine, mostly thanks to the higher speeds. Topass compliments Clara really well by leaning into her biggest weakness, and Seele is Seele. Erudition, tho? Yeah, this path probably needs a buff (maybe make their basics have blast damage?)

The Destruction Class is more defined by sacrifice than target numbers. Each unit with the exception of MC seems to trade for damage. This means there are going to be more interesting units to explore in the future

This has nothing to do with paths but with damage multipliers. Remember, Physical MC, Hook and Arlan are all destruction characters who are the worst characters in the game. If they would have made Jing Yuans multipliers higher, this video wouldnt even exist now. They just created Dan Heng IL, who for whatever reason has insanely high damage multipliers. No one was saying anything about Blade because he is in the same ball park as Seele and Kafka. Classes do not determine strength of a character

very comfy editing and voice. new sub!

love the three houses music outro

Sadly,this is hard to fixed.Buffs simply will not be enough to help the two classes(Hunt and Erudition).More things will need to be needed.

People seems to be forgetting that Ganyu, Hutao and Zhongli are all released in the first 6 months of Genshin....

Coming back to this video over a month later I had a thought getting further in late game content grind, a destruction doesn't typically need the most specific support (unless you're Imbib) so you can be more lax with them and focus on bas development or run them in dual dps comp, but for Hunt/Erudition you do need stronger more specific supports but you can mitigate some issues they have by playing. A dual dps team, yes a dual dps. Unless Seele, but she's a whole nother animal, it works well for me going something like Healer, Random Support, Jingliu, Dps that does Toughness; personally Himeko due to follow up Healer/Shielded, Support(Bronya or now Ruan Mei), Hunt, Erude or Welt bc Welt, something like Huohuo/Gepard/Fu Xuan/March 7th what have you depends on enemy weakness, Bronya/Ruan Mei or Tingyun; maybe Hanya, Sushang or Yanqing, and Jing Yuan/Argenti/maybe Himeko or Welt I don't know it really seems as if for me Hunt/Erude seem to match together quite well, this may be due to recent supports making new things viable but then again the more the game changes the more things will. Hell my favorite thing to do is Jingliu/Blade with Hunt, I don't know double dps is just fun to me but I do see that Destruction is far superior to Hunt/Erude but now with new supports and relics it's getting better

One thing to be done could be to add one "bench" slot to parties so that you could swap your dps on demand. Say you are fighting cocolia and bronya, as soon as the princess spawns, you could switch your seele to your himeko to deal with both of their thoughnesses and then swap seele back in when bronya is almost dead. Even cooler would be if follow up attacks would trigger even from the bench, making erudition characters the "aoe support" class. I mean, I already use my himeko like that, but still XD

One slight correction. The max is 5 normal enemies. Enemies that swarm have a higher limit. I've seen as many as 8 on the screen before. The game probably relegates them as lesser enemies due to their lower hp than normal or bosses. That did seem like a unique factor for a specific boss though. That was also a long time ago. I'm not sure if that was a glitch that got patched or anything either. They were summonable enemies. They summoned those bird enemies.

They should make more characters like Qingque, who can dynamically distributes resources depending on the situtation during the fight. I think qingque is one of the best design in the game. When situation is in flavor of multi-targeted, you can dump all of SP to her and get strong AOE dmg. When only single target remain, she still has strong AA dmg and quantum break debuff.

In theory, Erudition was supposed to shine in Swarm Disaster because of the constant spawning of mobs and how it rewards you by popping them off but nope, Destruction still reigns supreme in that mode with their mix of Blast and AoE attacks with solid tankiness to boot.

Man its about time. Im so glad this is being pointed out because genuinely it is quite concerning. I completely agree the separation dps into three classes is made redundant if you end up making a super op middle class that not only does good single target and aoe damage but also doubles as a bruiser or a tank in the process. Perhaps this could have been avoided all together in the first place if they only went with 2 damage classes like how they have 2 defense and 2 offenseive supports. But unfortunately there is no complaining about it now. The only thing I can say is being a dps not in destruction is going to be hard regarding very stiff competition in future. Destruction Privilege is real.

I think the combat just… never really necessitates super strong single target or very spread out AoE damage. Even for bosses, they usually summon minions, so the concentrated blast aoe of destruction characters is just better than only being able to focus on one enemy or spreading out your damage too much instead of focusing most of it on the boss.

12:58 bro predicted argenti's kit

What if, HSR will release path specific enemy resistances or weaknesses in the future. Or other Path specific buffs like how lynx increases aggro for destruction and preservation units. It might be a way for them to nerf or buff some characters

What's the name of the music in the background?

Seele got done so dirty btw have the latest story content for hsr been as good as belobog? I dropped hsr a while back, amd was considering picking it back up

On the note of elements, the main difference between them would be their break effects, different levels of damage over time or supportive capabilities. The big deal with Destruction is that it sacrifices some type of resource to be incredibly safe. It's simple in gameplay, capable of blowing through anything in the game, but you could find yourself in a tough spot for distributing your resources wrong in longer fights. I feel this can be very apparent in the recent Simulated Universe event's endurance fights, where JingLiu and Blade might get someone on the team killed entering the next wave while Dan Heng Blows through skill points too much to handle everything. In my opinion, it's too early in the game's lifespan to say it's that big of a problem, considering just about everything can be beaten with a proper build around most units in the game

I have both Seele E0 and Jingliu E1, what makes Jingliu so absurd is the E1 literally turns her into Seele vs 1 target. Her motion values against a single target is the same Seele's on both her enhanced skill and her ultimate. That said I still love my Seele and she's the second best DPS on my account by a large margin. Clara, Himeko and Serval being the others.

I don't know how to really feel about it, but it's not really surprising considering the game released with the first banner being Seele a "hunt" character that already ignores the fact that she's suppose to be a hunt character.

one thing to mention: if bosses summon ads, and if you kill the boss, the ads auto-die.

You know what’s the real problem with Destructions (except Blade and Clara ofc)? It’s the fact that none of them are able to auto. Try autoing with Jingliu (especially when you have Bronya) or DHIL. See what happens.

My seele used to be one of the best seeles out there and her dmg was just great but since I have gotten Jingliu, she completely destroyed seele when it comes to real DMG numbers and I was amazed how exceptional a destruction character is and my jingliu isn't really that great build-wise.

we actually do have a dps character with the what i think best mix of aoe and single target power destruction should be aim towards in the form of Welt despite being a nihility debuff character with dps potential he feels more like a dps with some debuffs for added flavor but his kit feels extremely well tuned to balance single target and aoe in an almost equal way his basic attack that gains bonus instances of damage for seemingly no reason but also has a decent damage output if you need single target damage but theres more than one enemy his skill being a bounce attack means its very good when theres just 1 target but still deals passable aoe dmg when theres more than one while his ultimate is at its peak dmg potential with alot of enemies present while it falls off when theres just 1 target as opposed to his skill where its the strongest when just hitting a single enemy 3 times on top being a standart character getting 1-2 eidolons for him is also on more reasonable side and his eidolon one gives him even more damage from using his ultimate even against just 1 target if we look at his e6 now his skill hits 4 times making both its aoe dmg better as well its single target damage skyrocket

I think single target could be improved with new enemy spawns. The enemies spawning items or creatures that if hit give buffs or even more turns to the enemy etc. Where defeating the main boss enemy will remove all spawns like currently in game.

Whats the music used in the video?

What is the song throughout the video? It's familiar but I can't remember where it's from

Isn't Serval an erudition character yet her skills are closer to a destruction unit single target on basic attack, triple target on her skill and for ultimate I don't remember if it's triple or all enemies.

I feel like Clara and Blade are the only true destruction characters that fit the description of their role. Their brusers, the more damage they take, the more damage they do. Even Arlan takes his own hp to deal skill damage without skill points. But once Danheng came out, he kinda just destroyed the definition of what a destruction character even is. He just does a shit ton of damage, at the cost of nothing but skill points. Jingliu might take her party'a hp, but her damage isn't limited by getting attacked by the enemy like blade or clara. I wish hoyoverse stuck with the, "if you get attacked, you deal more damage" gimick that clara set for destruction characters and instead, make Erudition characters have the blast attacks. Hunt should be kept the same.

I'd consider QQ to have blast attacks since here basic gets enhanced and hits three opponents instead of one. She doesn't loose any damage if there is only one enemy left.

OH THATS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING! As someone who has seele, jing yuan and clara (among others), i can definetely say that clara is the best out of 3 of them. First of all, my seele simply doesn't one shot everything, so it makes her value less, jing yuan does mid dmg (in my opinion, it would be best if the 10 stacks would hit all the enemies 10 times and not like one enemy 2 times, the other 1, the other 3 and so on.) and in order to have him in a team, you need to be evry careful about how you're spending skill points, so it's hard to run him with some supports. When you pair him up with bronya, let's say that he uses his skill, bronya uses her skill on him and he uses his skill again. It's 3 skill points, not even counting potencial other supporting characters, so it's hard to use him in memory of chaos where rounds matter. Clara though has aoe dmg (her skill), single target dmg (her aa), but it doesn't deal much dmg and then her passive. When you proc her ulti, she deals the blast dmg and it's a LOT of dmg. Her follow-up attacks can be crucial when you need more rounds like in memory of chaos, so she's just very good. Her dmg output is also very good. When i use her, i don't feel the need for either an erudition character or the hunt character, because she simply deals overall more dmg as a distruction character (like you've pointed out in the video). Imo they have to give some buffs to (especially) erudtion characters, because honestly, you simply dont need them when you have blade, clara, jingliu or dan heng. They do enough aoe dmg. As for the hunt, sometimes it's better to use them instead of destruction, but still, destruction as of now is simply too op.

luckily it's been revealed that for argenti's strong ultimate, he does aoe damage and THEN a series of hits on random enemies, so if one enemy remains, all thoose hits are guarantteed to land on that enemy

What is the background music?????

Honestly seeing this I get the reason why however considering i don't have Jingliu, Dan heng (dragon form) or blade and have only just gotten a Seele recently and building her so I can have a decent dps

After getting Clara, I've rarely put erudition in my teams. They're just not versatile enough and pretty much only good for clearing easy enemies and terrible for boss fights. Now that I got Jing Liu, I now have 2 destruction in the same team. 😅

We may just need support effects that strictly give a bonus to hunt/erudition kinda like how lynx taunt only applies to preservation/destruction. Also i think Jing and Topaz suffer partially due to poor follow up support; I think backloaded damage should have more support options than raw damage because you have to sacrifice time and risk damage.

Yup, game is still young. The developers know what they’re doing. Expect enemies in the future that incentive hunt and erudition.

Unfortunately this problem is one the game cannot fix nicely, it's an inherent problem with the game itself If people like the characters then theyre gonna wanna use them no matter what, saying to someone "Because a hunt character is currently rerunning, your favourite erudition character isn't gonna be able to clear the stage well enough Something that could work is a set of support characters who can turn Erudition characters into Hunt characters by allowing them to deal extra damage the less enemies there were, or probably the better one is for a sub-dps that takes the damage of Hunt characters and deals it to adjacent targets

Something ironic in this scenario is that Topaz can turn Himeko into essentially a destruction character but only once per 3 breaks. I think we need an erudition character that uses a skill point (maybe more) to add follow up attacks after x number of teammates attacks. Like 3 skill points adds 3 follow up attacks that trigger after the next 3 teammates basics. (Probably best to cap it at 2 though for balance). That way Topaz gets a good teammate and people start to realize you don't need hypercarry comps and hunt can work with erudition (I think the main problem now is most harmony is single target, so hypercarry is the only choice)

I find it funny considering the Hunt Path was all the Meta back in 1.0 and it’s only been 4/5 patches since then and it’s now Destruction

I love them mention of a Boss sharing health as a way to buff Erudition units, and now that we have the final boss of Penacony, my Qingque is doing NUMBERS!!

If I was going to design for hunt and still have adds I'd probably do something like have a boss with four adds, dps ones in positions 1 and 5, and tanks in 2 and 4, with boss in 3, and given the dps counter when tanks are hit. That way blast needs to be saved for after dps are down, unless you run a lot of sustain instead of dps/buff/debuff.