'sabotaged' is a more accurate term than "failed" in this case

Freminet for me is not a flawed character, he just suffers from the problem that most 4-Star DPSs suffer from, which is the lack of numbers that prevent them from being on par with 5-Star DPSs.

the moment i heard Dehya is going to be in standard banner i knew something ain't right, they really did her dirty by just throwing her into the gutter like that

literally all the devs needed to do to make hydro traveler half decent was to make their burst like Ayaka’s where it actually stops once it hits an enemy 😭

If Dehya dealt bonus damage based on how much damage she absorbed her kit would actually make sense

Vars II: "Dehya is the first pyro unit released since Yoimiya" Thoma: Do I not exist?

This hits harder after what they did with Navia/Chiori, where Navia works DESPITE being Geo and Chiori is just Albedo 2.0 instead of being something that elevates Geo more than just "I can power through this"

I swear...dehya really dissapointed me. I love her personality and she's beautiful but her damage is abysmal, she takes way too much investment for little reward, isn't fun to play or very versitile. I swear hoyo loves trolling

I really, really, really wanted to enjoy Kaveh so much. I saved for him, I pre-farmed, just to find out he's just a driver for Nilou, who I don't have nor do I want :(

Dehya didn't fail--she WAS failed. The game released her in her unfortunate state, and MiHoYo's dedication to never updating their characters means that's how she will be forever. Dataminers warned everyone, the feedback for her was horrible, she was considered one of the weakest and least useful five stars in the entire game... and that was BEFORE the devs saw all of the feedback, heartily ignored it, and nerfed her before release. And unlike Zhong Li, she has no chance of them caring enough about her to fix this. It's almost like the devs were fed up with leaks and datamining and wanted her to be a big 'fuck you' to the entire community, and to the character herself, and that bridge they burned was almost enough to push me out of the game forever. I've circled back, and with the release of Beacon on the weapon half of the new type of banner, I got her weapon... and I'm looking to add Cons to her whenever I'm able. But it's taken me a long time to pave over the betrayal of the devs, and to forgive this game for essentially punishing me for getting into the characters they put into it, the stories and designs they build to try and get you invested. And still, I refuse to give the game money ever again.

Genshin is allergic to criticism until it involves anything Liyue. What's the purpose of Beta Testing and Early Access when the audience and Content Creatoes dont even get a say on the direction of characters in the first place. The fact is they choose to ignore the outcry of their players rather than at least acknowledging it.

The issue I see with Genshin characters are, they create them as a mechanic, and if it fails, they come around and create another character to try and fix the mechanic of the fail character. When they should be trying to make optimize teams. They are starting it little by little now, but they are also still sticking to their 1 new mechanic per-character that doesn't fit well with others. That why the elements are so un balance, example Fire DPS has almost 2x more units as main DPS than any other units, but most of those Main DPS units have been powercreep out or came into the game already powercreep.

genshin releases so many underwhelming characters for literally no reason. meanwhile star rail is oversaturated with overpowered characters. it’s so strange

Freminet is very well-designed though. As much as we like to build our old DPS like Keqing on physical damage, it's almost always unoptimal or even unviable compared to elemental damage. Freminet, on the other hand, is literally built for that kind of build flexibility, making both elemental and physical builds viable, but he does suffer from 4* multipliers (which again plagues almost every 4* so I think that's a moot point). There is no way Freminet is on the same list as Dehya.

quick note on traveler, more and more it seems its kit is more of a story-telling/lore-related tool with some gameplay utility before the element's archon comes. ive seen lore enthusiasts saying that the traveler reflects what to expect from the archon in the first few years. but when hydro archon/dragon came, it seems the traveler is more in-tune with the draconic/primordial form of the element. traveler is more of a story/lore tool/vehicle than an actual playable character.

Signora is Genshin's Most Failed Character.

If Freminet is a failed character, then any 4* DPS is a failed character too. He has a clear playstyle, a kit that works well with itself and can combo with other units. He just doesn't have the numbers, which many units don't. It's not like Dehya and Hydro Traveler which look like they're missing a certain something in their kits that ties it all together, his kit is very well tied together.

They wanted to make Dehya a Tank similar to Zhongli, but without the power budget given to Archons. Damage wise, it's pretty much 1:1 when compared to Zhongli. The main difference is their supportive capabilities: - Zhongli provides omni-shred. So even though Geo is not as good, he still provides some kind of value. - Dehya provides Pyro Aura. The only problem is that it's too slow to be useful (even the 3.5 Livestream failed to show a good example of it. You can see Ganyu failed to melt her Charged ATK if you watched the video carefully). There's also the issue of "good kit, but for a wrong game". Dehya's Elemental Skill is designed to absorb most of the damage taken by your party, but the game only allows for one character to be on the field, not to mention that you can dodge enemies' attacks in this game. In contrast to HSR, you cannot dodge enemies' attacks, so taking damage is imminent. An ability that can redirect most of the damage taken by the team will be very impactful for the team's survivability, which is why Fu Xuan is still considered one of the best sustain in Star Rail.

Y'know when people talk about characters getting changed or nerfed, I feel like everyone forgets that the last time they did so wasn't Zhongli...it was Yae Miko. They changed how the targeting logic of her summoned pillars worked, but it was SO unpopular they backtracked on it almost immediately. As for why these characters don't get altered after launch? Easy. If they put in the effort to rebalance a character, that time could've gone into developing a new unit with the fixed kit. Like, why give Qiqi energy regeneration when you can just slap it on every healer that comes after her and make money?

for deyha, i feel like a very easy solution is to make her burst a burst of damage and then create a shield that would take up as much damage as deyha redirected to herself during her last e skill. this makes it so she is not a tank and a dps, and focuses her more on supporting

They could always do what arknights did for their weaker units with the module system, it's basically a thing you still have to invest resources in that was introduced to buff certain outdated units by either buffing their numbers or giving them an entierly new passive that will help them once you apply the module on the character.

Hydro traveller just got themselves a weird niche: the ult ball would trigger whenever it touches a dendro core. Ayaka nuke turned hydro is the end result...

They should at bare minimum "buff" qiqi by increasing her basic attack range or shrinking her clipping box. I was actually fine with her as she was. She's a healer that lets your dps heal themselves while just wailing on the enemy without needing to wait for a cooldown, her basic attacks apply the healing mark. Her biggest problem was that her sword is so tiny and her clipping box is so big that on some large enemies she can't even hit them while rubbing her face against their clipping box. You get as close as possible, swing, hit them once and both clipping boxes clash and push you out of range for the second swing. So you end up missing at least half her basic attacks despite being as close as you possibly can be.

I've always advocated that I think Deyha should be more tanky rather than deal more dmg. I'd like to see her dmg absorption cap at 80% rather than 50%, buff her self healing. If you're saying every character needs their niche than make hers the non shielding shielder. It would only make her viable if Hoyo actually continued to punish Shields like they tried at one point

Dehya just feels like a testing ground for the kind of characters Blade and Fu Xuan would be in Star Rail but the way she was released feels like she’s a rushed rough draft that the devs ran out of time on before deciding if she would be supportive like Fu Xuan or straight up a DPS like Blade.

I really enjoyed this discussion video but I don't understand the reason behind one of the characters being failed: Kaveh. It is quite litterally a 4* Nilou, as a 4* he has a less practical gameplay (needs his E to make the blooms go boom instead of modifying their properties) and a less generous scaling. By the diffenition given here of a failed character it would mean that: - either he doesn't aim for a viable win condition, which is not the case otherwise Nilou would be a failed character - or his kit is fundamentaly broken which is also false IMO as his kit is half of nilou and half of alhaitam: stay onfield doing autos to proc reaction and E to detonnate the bloom cores, his ult allows him to dendro infuse its claymore making him a viable onfielder for bloom spam as it does not matter how much dammage each character does. The only dammage that counts is the dammage of each bloom core. Is there something fundamentally broken about him that I missed?

I feel like failed units are basically the units that tried to do something different but then it backfired. It's just that you get them...and then after that you have no idea what to do with them or how to make them work practicality-wise. Their more specialized/unique kits are never built on anymore, which is unfortunate considering the game has shown that it can make somewhat niche units workable to being really good such as with Nilou or Xianyun. Both have a specific playstyle but ultimately still work.

Kaveh is probably the easiest "bad" unit to fix, his kit is well designed has good power and works well with itself and other units, you just have to add "All dendro cores exploded by Kaveh's skill, burst or C6 now scale off of Kaveh's stats" and suddenly you would have a nice new niche nilou-like archetype

Hydro traveler could have had a niche if only his burst stayed like Ayaka's burst then they'd be half as good as Xingqiu.

Yae also got changed but they had no idea what they were doing so they reverted it xd

Kaveh is incredibly good, and he’s probably my most valuable character. Why? He’s one of the best units to pair with Nilou, his upgrade. Kaveh can heal from exploding dendro cores, practically healing himself without the need for koko or Baizhu. And, because of how is kit works, I can hit over 1.4K Elemental Mastery with an old event weapon. Most characters have their place, it’s just in specific teams where they are able to shine.

kaveh is one of my favorite characters (and arguably one of the more popular with the fandom) and i've been desperate to make him work.. even worse is that he hasn't been put on banner for almost a year so most players are unable to get his c6. he's one of the most unfortunate characters in the game

the thing that flabbergasts me is there hasent been a catchup/augment mechanic introduced for older units yet most gachas add one at around 2 years in to indirectly buff up the old characters

I tried a fun team with Fréminet, Barbruh, Furina and Fischl and honestly, it works surprisingly well, almost hit 55k on physical

Something that i noticed before is that even though hoyo cant directly buff or nerf a character they have gotten around this by adding new artifacts. in example Husk with geo units, Vermilion for Xiao, and somewhat Nymphs for Tartaglia. they found adding personal artifact sets help buff character, but at the moment they take way to long to come out with any of these personal artifact sets that certain characters that need these artifacts are stuck waiting. One example would be Cyno he can produce a ton of damage and from what i found even surpassing Alhaitham but you will loose out in hyperbloom damage because you need more em, Alhaitham does not need to worry about hyperbloom because you can just get another character to do the hyperbloom for him. cyno has other issues but in terms of damage output he is at the moment stuck in a limbo situation.

13:22 “not over powered broken, broken broken.” Bouken da broken! 👍

Honestly, i think that, even if Hydro Traveler is the worst, Electro Traveler is the least fun for me. His Elemental Skill never hits and his Burst, while decent, doesn't do anything unique enough to make him worthwhile. With Hydro Traveler, it's fairly neat to play a ranged-focus version of Traveler.

I disagree with Freminet being a failure of his kit, he's more a failure because of the player base. Aside from most players not giving 4 star characters the time of day, I also tried using him as a physical DPS and was like "wow, this sucks." But then I used him as a cryo-shatter DPS and was like "oh, hey! This is actually really fun!" He was my go-to pick for fighting the new cat boss because he just excels in a team that wants to do shatter. Obviously niche, but not a failure by any means imho

This might be way too hot of a take, but from the gachas that I play Hoyoverse's gachas are the only one that makes me look at a character and think that they are not worth building, be it by virtue of powercreep or whatever else. This is not helped by Hoyo's refusal to balance older or underperforming characters by adding stats or extra functions and synergies to them, can even lock them behind Friendship levels like Blue Archive does with Bond Equipment, it rewards players for investing time and resources into older characters. Imagine how cool it would be if upon reaching Friendship lvl 10 with Qiqi you unlocked a passive that regenerated energy for the active character each time it proced her heal, or Amber's ultimate dropping a few Baron Bunnies alongside the arrows; While they probably wouldn't become the best units overnight, buffs like this would make sure some of these units remained relevant for a much longer period of time..

Interestingly, I don't feel like Freminet was a failure. He was a more fun version of Eula for me.

A good thing that Hoyo could do is offer the Genshin community a choice of one…ONE…of the failed characters and their they would like overhauled. Usually, I think they just prefer to make a new character, but I, personally, would really like Freminet overhauled. It’s such a cool kit, such a cool design, bit ot fails so hard.

I can argue that while Dehya has a kit that doesn’t entirely work with a lot of characters and Freminet is a Physical 4-star carry. Dehya got partially buffed from Fontaine like being useful for Neuvillette and can be used with Furina and Xianyun. Not enough to be meta, but still a better spot than where she originally was back in 3.5. Freminet on the other hand while physical, I’d say his problem isn’t that he’s a failed character, he’s just in a position similar to many other 4-star DPS characters in the game. Hydro Traveler though… we can all agree is just straight up "failed." Also, while you did point out that yes, Mihoyo will likely never directly buff a character again ever since Zhongli. They may "indirectly" buff them instead. For example, Yae Miko and Kuki Shinobu became a more powerful and stronger when Dendro was released. Healers like Jean and Baizhu became more powerful thanks to Furina’s release. I don’t know how they could possibly do that for a character like Dehya when Natlan characters releases, but so far it is shown that it’s possible for characters who have been "downgraded" in a sense or are not meta that Mihoyo enables new playstyles for them to be slotted into new teams. Which I really hope is the case for the Natlan characters.

Hoyotrash described in a nutshell with how they handled these characters. I play almost all of them because I generally just play whoever the heck I want since the game is easy in a general sense only. I'm very surprised that you didn't mention Dori in this video with how underwhelming she is with her crappy slow threw hit combo and weak elemental skill.

i understand hoyo's decision to never buff or debuff characters, but what i'll never understand is that they never bother to fix broken characters. like what do they plan to do when they someday inevitably release a character that's so buggy they're unplayable?

What HoyoVerse did to Dehya was totally dirty, Dehya was supposed to be an amazing unit but they changed the values so much that it feels so... frustrating

9:00 when were the times electro traveller was good? I remember the days were my friend said: "I tried electro traveller and he is fun except for his energy management." I tried it out and switched back to ameno immediately because he could better apply electro and had slight grooping capabilities. (And i had kazuha...) We didn't even have full constellation back then so he was even worse then nowadays.

Idk i got a "dmg" build for Dehya but she is mostly on my tank build with 70k HP since I end up using her for exploration especially in underwater areas... she just can't die anymore :-X

As someone who started to play Genshin in 4.0. I have to play with what I have. Failed or not.

s an Aloy main and triple crowner AND a Traveler all elements main and triple crowner i agree with this video. I main and play them cuz i love them but the term "failure" while harsh sounding is fair imo since let's face it you can't compare Neuvilette who in one single charge attack does significantly more dmg than Aloy's whole kit or Hydro Traveler's kit, hell any of the Traveler kits or most of there "failure" characters. I will keep using Aloy and Trav cuz i love them i also use many other characters but those who deny the term "failure" when the characters in question are unarguably complete failure are just high as hell on copium and don't live in reality.

As a Dehya main, when she came out, it was hard to fit her in any team due to her skill and burst conflicting with her role in a team. However, furina made her burst viable in vape teams and synergizes with Dehya's built in hp regen for extra fanfare points, xianyun gives dehya's greatest scaling plunge usability more consistently, and bennet because of atk boost and pyro infusion. I came to this on my own due to testing and to my surprise many other dehya users also came to this build. That shows just how viable this build is for dehya. My point is, even though dehya ain't meta, she is 1000 times better than she was before. Just had to point it out man.

Dehya honestly had as much place in Sumeru arc as literally Nahida the Archon herself - and their gameplay are worlds apart. Honestly, even comparing her to Diluc would be unfair because even Diluc as decent dps and feels good and straightforward to play.

You managed to show how hydro mc is a fraud WITHOUT mentioning the burst, which just.... passes through enemies and goes away... just like that.

Dehya in particular has become a hallmark of failure for Genshin's design team. According to intel from beta testers, her numbers were nerfed multiple times despite already not performing well. Then they release her and immediately confirm she will be banished to the Standard Banner, treating her like a nuisance. And when basically everyone complains about how fundamentally broken she is, miHoYo puts out an extensive Feedback section dedicated to detailing issues and shortcomings, but they end up doing absolutely nothing with it. At that point, I came to realize that miHoYo doesn't care. Or rather, they don't need to care. Casuals with little to no understanding of the metagame spend significant amounts of money on the game, and they can't be bothered to complain about a character they only get for the collection. And the same can be said for the whales, who saw the writing on the wall and skipped her entirely. In other words, money talks. And the money certainly didn't go towards Dehya, so appeasing a vocal minority would put them in hot water over nothing. She has her stigma, and short of releasing a completely separate character to do what Dehya couldn't, there will be no fixing her kit. The only thing I simply don't understand is: why? Why sabotage Dehya to such an extent? Why bother designing her, putting her smack-dab in the center of the main story, and then do everything wrong imaginable in spite of her popularity by that point? Even from a business standpoint, I struggle to find meaning in how awful miHoYo treated her. And it's frustrating because miHoYo pretended to care, but evidently couldn't even be bothered to value the time many people, including me, put into the feedback section.

As a Xinyan and Dehya main I totally agree with what you said in the video. I invested a lot of resources in these characters because I like them a lot, but it's obvious they have problems even with high and full constellations. Since Dehya's relase I've always been using her with Wanderer because, on my account, she's the best interruption resistance character to pair with him and she also helps him dealing more damage thanks to his passive. Sometimes I enjoy doing an Abyss run with a monopyro Dehya team and luckily I got her C1 R1 since day 1, which helped a lot because she actually did more damage than Xiangling (meanwhile I watched people complaining how their C0 R0 Dehya was a total disappointment as a DPS doing less damage than a sub-DPS Xiangling) and Furina turned her into a pure hypercarry with occasional vaporise reactions. At this point, I think that the only way to make her more viable is waiting for a new gameplay mechanic or a new character that buffs specific gimmicks that can help her, just like what happened with Keqing and Noelle respectively.

Tbh if we could just trigger shatter against bosses (and we don’t need to freeze them like maybe applying cryo places blocks of ice in the target and then using claymore or electro triggers shatter), freminet would be op. I still do 69k damage with him so I’m satisfied

freminet is probably my favorite fontaine character, its a shame that he was done so dirty

I feel like Hoyo could’ve made Hydro Aether to be one of the best healer, reflecting its supporting nature of the element. MC power is not lore accurate in game 😭

Hey Vars do you think you should do a video for Mika. Not only is the spear from the potions event likely his signature weapon but he had a weird history of appearing to be the dedicated phys damage support but ended up being mostly a healer with a unique atk speed buff

"Failed Characters" intently stares at a casket

Dehya's elemental skill snapshots too which means her BiS weapon passive doesn't do that much for her as well...

I can tell you with 100% certainty that no one will quit if they change or buff a character's kit and if any do, they're so minimal it wouldn't make a dent on their numbers. Although I don't know how anyone would take a buff or refine a character kit negatively.

We couldn't identify what went wrong back when Dehya released and we can't identify it now MiHoyo, as far as we know, just did that, despite it being illogical. Maybe it has something to do with Chinese culture, idk.

Was there any instance that a character's skill/talent been modified or adjusted after release? As far as I know, adjustments are being made only by introducing new artifacts sets or new weapons

for me this is how i would like those units to be: qiqi: energy regen duh, her burst mark last longer, make it so that it switches to a new target when the old one dies and the take on the remaining duration plus 2 second. off field attacks also can get heal from the talisman and additional healing to make a specialize healer for off fielder. the more healing u get from attacking an enemy, the more dmg they take from u. and when the mark expire, it will deal dmg based on the amount healed. dehya: make all her scalling def just to be different. keep her dmg absorb niche but add something like if the dmg exceeds a certain % of dehya def, the dmg will get reduce like 80%. the more dmg she stores, the more her burst dmg deals and the longer the duration but if she leaves early during her burst, 80% of the remainer dmg will be dealt in an aoe around her and make her burst punches normal attack dmg and it heals dehya per dmg it deals so she can self regen. first passive: make it like the echoes offering artifact set: the interruption will be level 1 like her normal skill which will have the extra skill tap for level 2 res interruption remove and the 3 sec down time, each time u get hit by an attack higher than a level 1, u have a % to not get knockback and if u did, the chance of next time not get knockback is increase, the chance will reset to the base amount when u didnt get knockback. the first passive also allows u to not get knockback when dehya absorb an x amount of dmg. make the dmg less overtime and more concentrated. increase her skill range and make the scalling increase and reduce the interval timer to 1.5 to 2 seconds. dehya burst grants her level 1 interuption res and has the same effect as her first passive. when she uses her burst when her skill is up, she will remove it, reset the skill cooldown and gain max level interruption res. her second passive: when dehya is on field and takes dmg, it heals her ally and if she is max hp but her burst is healing her, the extra healing will go to her allies.

The two thumbnail ones ironically just don't have the numbers. Not that their design is bad. Just that no matter how much you invest in their own playstyle, they don't have the ability to scale at all

Thoma was realised after yomiya, but yeah, it's still a long time since a pyro character

I remember when I got C1 Dehya I tried my hardest to make her work. I loved her play style but my Yanfei deals even more damage despite being a 4-star and I put more effort into making Dehya's damage increase.. It was such a disappointment.

Dehya was designed to be a cash cow since she was so popular. She only gets good at constellation six. But they realized that nobody in their right mind would ever pull for her again, which is why they slapped her on the standard banner.

As a Dehya Main Myself I think at least now she is in a way better State than some people give her Credit for. I myself use her as a DPS but I also have her at C1 and I have Beacon but still espacially after Furinas and Chevreuses Release she can function as an Competent DPS even without Beacon or Cons. Even her Support capabilities are Imo good enough especially for Lyney and Neuvillette Teams where I think she is the straight Up best Defensive Option to have for both of them. I dont wanna say she is like super good or Anything but she is like I said way better now than on her Release. She is better than some other Units like Qiqi , Aloy or Mona.

"they'll never nerf a character" barbara would like to talk

I’m honestly glad there’s not that many playable units. It means they’re not going crazy with adding characters

@Vars maybe you could discuss all the 1.0 healers in a video. Qiqi having Energy issues isn’t her problem. EVERY starter healer has horrific Energy and/or duty cycle issues! Bennett isn’t actually an exception because it was “compensated” by a 70% cap. Jean is the only exception. HYV really thought ass-kicking healers would be broken. This was a “Diluc rules, Bennett drools” 1.0 policy that was rescinded. Note that the next 3 healers dropped this concept, with trade-offs. Diona is mid, Zhongli is severely constellation gated, and Kokomi can’t CRIT.

Love this analysis, hope you will do a Failed characters version for the Star Rail units.

I’m still mad about how much they screwed over Dehya.

12:23 "we all know they'll never nerf a character-" *Arlecchino has joined the roster*

Dehya isn't exactly bad in her kit design but she just doesn't have a place in genshin and i dont think ever will. For example, look at Fu Xuan in HSR. They have the exact same kit. Redirecting DMG, a self heal passive, and a burst that deals negligible DMG. The only way i can think of increasing dehya stonks is to double down on khaenriah enemies that punish you for having a shield.

I always thought of it as some kind of crooked marketing strategy. Gacha isn't as exciting if everyone is good compared to throwing a few stinkers in there as well. I feel like Dehya was made intentionally bad when they knew they wanted to add her to standard, so now her AND Qiqi become boogeywomen for you to lose a 50/50 to

80 fully playable characters in 3 years is nuts though, I mean there is Dynasty warrior that got like 100 characters and the game is first made on 1997 (Dynasty Warrior 2) btw Im a new player, but I assume that the Water MC elemental skill maybe designed for the overworld Fountaine puzzle ? like MC Geo Elemental Skill for finishing Liyue's puzzle

I have used Deyha for one reason. Exploring Dragonspine. Her talent beats out the sheercold

When Dehya is criticized during her release, some defended by saying oh you should wait for Fontaine or she will be suitable with future characters. Well, after a year, no one disagree the fact that she is a failure and at the same time, no one care enough to ask to fix her. That's why I hate this community. There's someone who will defend because she or he is their favorite character. The community still can't differentiate between liking a character and liking a gameplay. The character can be your waifu or husbando whatever but at the same time, his or her gameplay can be suck or won't be fit with your playstyle. Many content creators pointed out about Dehya being the weakest character in her release and those boot lickers are like "oh you want all to be dps huh, She will be like kokomi she will become stronger bruh " etc. In the end, it is the Dehya main and her fans who are left devastated and betrayed. Those who defended back there don't even care anymore now.

I wouldn't say that Amber is a "failed" character, exactly. She's good as an early-game overworld character that shows you how the mechanics work, her abilities are good for puzzle solving, and Baron Bunny is somewhat useful with it's taunt. I wouldn't use her in late game, but she does have a purpose in early game when energy regen is hard. Also, from watching Zajef videos, I think Geo MC has become more useful as a Buffer for Navia.

Dehya is actually a great unit for a mediocre player like myself. I have trouble dodging, and I die a lot. Dehya helps my units stay upright, and she can tank damage and heal herself. In that sense, she's been my dream unit. I have built her and she's friendship level 10. I really enjoy playing her. As to her damage... even fully built at C3 and talents 10/10/10, her damage output isn't great, but that's not always the most important thing. I just try to have fun and she helps me achieve that.

I hope some characters will get their second chance as time went on. I still remember the bad reception Kuki recieved on release and now she is a very strong and popluar unit. I don't know what will have to happen to these characters to have some kind of use but i don't think it is impossible. Will they ever get meta? No but at least i can see them to find some sort of niche. what annoys me more in Genshin is that "hey lets build a problem in their kit and sell it the solution with constellations." I get they want to make money with the characters but that is just evil.

Im actually using dehya on my 1st account.. although the only reason why that is only bc that acc doesnt have a c6 thoma for burgeon like my 2nd account. 😅

i lost my 50 50 yesterday to dehya, is there any reason to use her?

dehya is a special case because they made sure every part of her kit was dysfunctional RUNDOWN TIME: -skill procs too slowly to be good as burgeon trigger -skill deals too little pyro application to be a good enabler -skill deals too little damage to be a good vape/melt trigger -skill cd/duration don't match so it can't have permanent uptime -damage redirection/mitigation aren't enough to keep a party safe, as a defensive option she still needs a healer -burst damage too low -burst does not trigger XQ/Yelan -can't dodge or dash during her burst -burst pauses her skill and as an added bonus they removed all shading and detail from her shorts before she went live, she did have normal shading before you cannot convince me someone at Mihoyo didn't have huge hate for that character

I agree with many points here, especially the one of every character should be able to work logically, Dehya is an example of un-synchronized design, neither of the abilities work together, and with a character like amber whole yes is day one, but is so hard to use, you will see players who main amber go to the extreme to make amber even slightly work, and hydro traveler has no reason to exist, the skill is useless holding, just press and go, the burst is so confusing that is doesn’t even make sense of where they were trying to go with it

I think you mentioned this, but It’s a shame that these characters kits ended up like this when literally everything else about them is pretty good. The writing team seems to really love Dehya, but it feels like the game-development team couldn’t choose to make her berserker or tank support. Leaving Dehya with what feels like two different roles forced into one kit. I still love to use her though and hope that I can get Furina for her

guys guys guys what if dehya was meant to be played with arlecchino? she cant get heal but shared damage would give her more survivability. and theyd be 2 pyros for atk buff. then again dehya's burst doesnt really do much

I'll never forgive hoyo for making Dehyas burst into one animation with stupid jump canceling thing.

7:23 Idk I really like playing Fremi, he's fun and does a lot of damage

Still unhappy about Yae Miko. Beautiful animations, lovely idea. Long skill cast time, low HP. No invincibility, outscaled by a day 1 4* (Fischl, presumably C6) That killed the game for me, frankly.

I think it's a loss for MiHoYo too for creating these "failed" characters. They put so much effort, resources, and time into creating and promoting these well-designed characters, only for players to not play them and never wish for them again.

Most of the gameplay is time gated or DPS race so any characters that need time to spool up the damage ended up don't work unless the number is massive. Anything with long cooldown is basically unusable.

My best Dehya setup is Charlotte skill, Dehya skill then Neuvilette skill & charge attack, Dehya skill. The flex slot could be Raiden Shogun or Yae Miko. But her burst not having invincibility is what really hurts her kit. Freminet really does play like a lesser Eula, which could work considering how long it was between her reruns, but if you got her, there's no reason to use him.

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The fix for Dehya is constellations, like at c2 she feels like a c6 4 star dps with extra comfiness

I built my Dehya when I got her to c1 and haven't regretted it. She's certainly not among my stronger units but she is fun to play in my opinion. I have made it a tradition to solo floor 9 first half with her, and solo with Yelan on the second half. It's something to make the lower part of abyss a bit more engaging. I then do 2 units per team on 10, 3 on 11 and full teams on 12. It's still a bit too easy but at least it gives her *some* kind of role on my account. Freminet on the other hand? No way he's getting built. 😂

I'm just going to cope for the long-awaited levels 90-100 and hope it gives characters a new talent to boot

Okay Listen Crazy idea for Dehya and Xinyan A new set that raises a single hit of the elemental skill based on how many times the Burst hit I have no idea if it could work but I just thought about it