In case people are wondering "where the hell are Steve, Sonic, Aegis and Kazuya?", for those who immediately jump to the comments section instead of... you know... watching the video, I explain that those characters are too obvious and would make for a predictably boring video. So I wanted to check out some other characters besides them.

I think a video on character reworks would be cool, Steve, Kazuya, Sonic, Aegis etc. It would be a generally interesting video to see your attempt at balancing them.

Diddy Kong and peach require such a high level of skill to fully use their high tier tools that I think they should stay where they are. The meta isn’t overrun by diddy and peach, it’s only the highest levels of play that can even use some of the more difficult or circumstantial tech.

3:14 fun fact: Bayonetta’s Witch Time actually slows min min from maximum distance if she times it right. While the arms not being projectiles normally hinders typical counters and reflectors, them being disjoints actually allows Bayonetta to counter a full dragon arm laser from across the stage and punish. Just another reason a lot of Min Mins/Bayos think the matchup is hard for min min

Would be nice if g&w chef didn't loop while holding b, as that would make the move much easier to contest(also the looping doesn't stale the damage which is ridiculous)

As someone who plays a sword character, I'm fine with how Diddy Kong is because sword characters don't need to be indirectly buffed. Also Peach/Daisy not having the damage reduction on low float aerials is fine imo being it rewards the player for doing a hard input. If I had to find a replacement for these 2 characters (while following the no Steve, Sonic, and Kazuya rule), I'd probably go with Pikachu and Snake. Pika could use a nerf to pancaking, and for Snake I'd kinda like to see him take slightly more damage from his own grenades compared to his opponent. Overall very interesting video even if it is very unlikely Nintendo ever patches the game.

Not having Cloud on this list is SUPER BIAS

I don't think Peach's float aerials are anything to worry about in today's meta

Peach should be buffed. As one of the most complex characters that creates some of the most interesting gameplay interactions, and who counters the most degenerate gameplay, playing her should be incentivised and rewarded.

Diddy Kong?? Yeah, no. Diddy's strong, sure, but the poor guy's recovery is extremely exploitable, and some of his changes from Smash 4 I think were enough to cut him down to size. Dude's still a killer too. Lol.

One character I personally have a hard time with is Snake, with his grenades and up tilt. I'd say at least nerf his up tilt in some way.

I don't think Diddy Kong needs to be nerfed. He's a really important character in the meta because he beats most of the FP2 characters.

Just redesign Ganondorf to be what he should be and he will knock all the oppressive top tiers down a peg. Instead of a slow Falcon, he'd be a hard hitting Peach with float. Justice for Ganondorf.

The reason diddys banana is the way it is in every game is because thats how the banana item is in every game, so to nerf diddys banana would be to nerf the item

I feel like Rob was kinda an obvious character to nerf like Steve, Aegis, and Sonic. His one and only weakness is "being big" (which has never been an enormous difficulty for stopping characters from being good, Mewtwo in Smash 4 for example) And his size doesn't offset his enormous advantages -Great combos and projectiles -Dangerous from pretty much any range -Good matchup spread -Very easy to play

I get why you didn’t include Steve, Kazuya and so on since it would make your video predictable. But your video ends up being predictable because of the thumbnail anyway

ARMS in general has a system where the arms can be damaged and not usable for a period of time which would help in Smash, if your Arm got broken, that’s on you so now the opponent has a more comfortable window to approach

I'm a peach main and while I see what your talking about it just isn't a strong enough reason to nerf her because peach already struggles so much. Peach literally needs whatever she can get. Playing her is like playing smash on hard mode. She struggles against all swordies and isn't too strong against many characters in the roster. You just have to be a good player with good IQ and serious dedication to peach. Also it's just really hard to do grounded float to begin with. That extra damage you get on forward air is like a reward for mastering it and actually landing it on your opponent because that isn't easy either.

I know Min Min gets a lot of hate, but I just stan her for the very fact that every now and then I can see her pick apart a swordie and see those who space you out with the same wide arc bullshit attacks frustrated for once.

Imagine if diddy's banana worked like a real cartoon banana and only tripped if you stepped on it.

For MinMin, maybe making her arms (the noodle part) part of her body, as in having a hurtbox, could maybe help with that, kinda like Piranha Plant's down b. For ROB, what the fuck is this up-b ? I know it has limited fuel, but it sure does not feel like it. And it fully recharges in like less than 2 seconds, when Robin's up-b takes 10 seconds for a lot less stellar recovery. And maybe have moves that use his reactor (aka down-air, b-air, n-air and up-smash, all fantastic moves by the way) also deplete a bit of fuel.

Man, it feels crazy and I kind of feel proud that I was actually around when that video released. Love your videos!

The peach change is such a nothing change imo it like doesnt change anything thats actually frustrating about peach, you barely feel the extra damage and the extra damage wouldnt matter anyway since ur reverting kill power nerfs. It feels so weird when like you could just nerf turnips or something like that. Also the diddy one is dumb literally dont let him pull banana. Banana is already hella conditional and tbh its not that hard to avoid. Also not being able to block banana is such hyperbole, either protect against monkey flip timing by reacting w a dodge or like be far away.

peach in thumbnail 😢

With Steve, the devs really should have removed his ability to ledge stall and plank with blocks.

The fact Kazuya wasn't even mentioned is insulting enough

Joker needs a nerf. Arsene takes stocks so early

Without looking at the video : Steve, Sonic, GnW, Kazuya, Min Min Edit / After watching it : I agree with most of your picks. I would also like to say though - GnW : This character is too mashy for having moves that last for too long and deal absurd damage. GnW either needs to do less damage for how much he can spam or he needs more end-lag on everything he does. - Peach : I dont mind the damage of Float-Aerials. If anything, I would like Turnips to be nerfed. She either pulls a good item or a broken one that allows her to kill you in 4 hits. To compensate for his, revert her previous nerfs and make her Floating easier to use in general.

I honesty think Arms didnt need a rep, an assist trophy was fine for them. Min Min playstyle just isn't fun to watch or play in my opinion.

Peach requires so much skill to pull off, arguably the most skilled character. She already struggles to kill until 200%+. Full hop aerials take a lot of skill to pull off. Why not nerf Cloud? He outranges many characters and does not take even close to as much skill as characters like Peach, Diddy, etc.

I still think min min is a lot more toxic than kazuya ever could be. Yes kazuya can mix you but at least he’s playing the game

While I disagree with the peach segment, I do find it humorous that most of these characters on the list wouldn't be nearly as annoying is move clanking was useful as it was in other games. Also, as a Min Min main her survivability isn't called into question nearly enough in my opinion, like she just doesn't die sometimes and there's also the fact that she has no end lag on air smash attacks into her up special to the point where it looks like she's canceling into it.

As a Paisy main, I do wish that fair was stronger, but I'd hate to lose the float cancel bonus. But I see where you're coming from.

Glad u didn’t actually make the video about the chars u mentioned in the beginning like Steve, Kazuya, Sonic etc. cuz imo chars like don’t actually need nerfs but rather complete reworks in how ur meant to play them

Waluigi’s so strong you can’t even Choose him as a character and have to turn on items to unlock him, and he always buries you

Wow did not know that short hop aerials weren’t full power and anything about the banana. Good video!

Not a nerf but i'd like to see Powershields return and also reduced stickyness of platforms. I think those two things would buff enough bad characters. But i also just think buffing is usually a better option unless it's like Steve or Kaz where my nerfs are just slight reworks tbh

To me, the most annoying thing about Min Min is Mega watt at ledge because for some reason it not only hits ledge, but if timed correctly, also covers neutral and jump getup all while killing at 50% and being unpublishable

peach doesn’t kill till like 160 and has horrible disadvantage, is very stubby and slow, and her amazing float tech takes SO much effort. why the hell should she be nerfed

I agree with all of these and way to represent all the characters that fall under the radar for despite obvious needs for nerf. I appricate your crital analysis as always and that's why I'm a happy subscriber.

I disagree with diddy. Banana is good but being an item both players can use balances it out a lot. When tossed on shield the opponent has a chance to grab it and use it (unlike turnips, gyro). When you see someone who actually knows how to control items it completely shifts the dynamics of the match And his command grab isn’t even that great. The risk/reward is pretty bad, it gets low profiled ALL the time, and you cant use it oos like almost any other command grab (jump + monkey flip sends you way too high to catch anyone on the ground) It can kill at ledge (at like 160) and that’s the biggest redeeming factor of the command grab

Steve - I have a lot of changes in mind, but the biggest one is altering the properties of his blocks and/or his up smash so he can no longer up smash on top of a block. I personally think the biggest issue with Steve isn't his crazy combo game or his oppressive neutral, it's the fact that when he wins neutral and gets a crazy combo, it almost always results in a stock loss, and up smash is the biggest offender for that particular issue. I can think of other changes, too, like not allowing him to mine while on top of an anvil, sending him into tumble when a block breaks below him, or having actual cooldown on placing blocks (this would also help mitigate his incredible camping), but in my opinion up smash is the secret root of the problem. Aegis - I would heavily nerf Mythra's foresight by adding extra lag to the animation, so it now resets neutral instead of giving Mythra free advantage. I would also nerf Mythra's kill power across the board to really force the player to use Pyra, and remove the rising hitbox from Pyra's up special to make the move not such a ridiculous out of shield kill option. Kazuya - I would make him normal. Crouch dash no longer has intangibility, though WGF/EWGF still does. His jumpsquat is reduced to 3 frames, and all of his attacks follow Ultimate's normal formulas for hitstun and hitlag, though the Tekken-style particle effects remain. I'd also increase his full hop height to be able to jump to Battlefield's platforms. Then I'd let him loose, and he'd probably either be really broken or really bad. Either way, now he mechanically functions much more like the other FGC characters, who are far more balanced. Terry - I would make his Go! moves stronger, but you can only use one per stock. As it very obviously should have been from the start. R.O.B. - I would make Gyro bounce straight up after hitting somebody, which would remove his ability to perform long zero-to-deaths, but could still potentially lead into interesting technical combos occasionally.

I’m glad you mentioned that Pac-Man can still grab you with the bell in hand, he just can’t dash grab

A character that needs the most nerfs is zero suit samus, like I can’t do anything because of her fast movement, attack range, damage, and spamming

I was about to fight you when I saw Peach in the thumbnail, but I'm more than okay with the recommended nerf. Definitely don't need full jump damage on float aerials. Nerfing float damage would make bnb combos easier :) Edit: "more consistent" instead of "easier"

Im surprised Joker isnt on this list, its insane to me Arsene back air was never nerfed, and the fact that most characters just have to run away when joker gets arsene is absurd and just not at all fun to fight. Hes already a decent character without but hes undoubtedly the best in the game when he has arsene. He has steve diamond bair on a character with sheik mobility.

The nerfs on G&W are hilariously inadequate. There is no universe where G&W needs a frame 3 invincible OOS option, come the fuck on.

Forgive my incompetence but whats the name of the song used in this video???

Can we have a video on best and worse designed characters

I think you should make a video covering the obvious characters that need nerfs like Steve, kazuya, sonic, aegis etc and how you would rework them

You can counter minmin, but only with certain counters such as witch time. So like 4/5th of counters wont work.

I think a video on low tier bad character characters who need a redesign as in characters that just are poorly desgined, Like Mac, Zelda, King dedede, Kirby

I think banana can be transcendent as long as he doesn’t have monkey flip. One or the other needs a change

saying peach and diddy need a nerf is crazy 😅

Samus: charge shot special cooldown, and fair multi hit, just 1 or 2. Sonic: Free falling after up b, neutral B. Mythra: turn into light weight. Steve:Mining speed reduced, Iron being 50% less common. Cloud:Back air, up B, down tilt having additional lag frames. Run doesn't lean to much to the ground. Minmin:Less knock back on dragon laser and Yellow ball. Terry: Medium Weight, or KO meter has a limited amount of uses. Joker:Light weight, run animation doesn't lean too much to the ground. Young link:Fire arrow speed. And many more... Damn, this game is annoying.

Maybe they could remove float damage bonus on one of the princesses, but they'd need something back in exchange besides just reverting Fair and Dash attack KO power. Heck, they could even bring back her Smash 4 backthrow and it still wouldn't be enough. I'd rather see one of them given nothing but standard turnips but normal KO power. Peach and Daisy, as they are, feel like they were designed for an entirely different game. At the very least, they could be given a reliable kill confirm.

Took me a minute to realize that Aegis = Pyra and/or Mythra

Does anyone know what songs are used in this video?

All I see is a lot of chars doing some flips in a fighting game

see a diddy kong player is so cool, but fight against... is traumatic

No space animals, no swordies - the most annoying 2 character types to play against. Absolute trash. Those types with their way overtuned frame data, damage values, and knockback values are far far worse to play against than Min Min, G&W, or Diddy Kong.

Do they still do updates for this game?

The best nerf to minmin is making it so dedede and kirbys inhale can start the suck just from her extended hand

The main problem with Smash will always be every character having a over centralized gimmick. Characters whose gimmick isn't strong (K.Rool's belly) gets thrown in the bin and like with Diddy's banana, their gimmick is the sole reason why they're good and realistically there's just no way to buff and nerf a character unless the gimmick itself is nerfed and when you do that a character goes from Meta Brawl..... to After Meta Brawl, Bayo Smash 4 to Ult Bayo, Marth Melee to after Melee.

Who did you overlay Bocchi onto?

Diddy's banana peel should be altered to only trip if it's on the ground. The rest of his moveset should be buffed so he doesn't depend on the peel.

i think a great way to nerf game and watch up b would be for it to be chargeable. it can still have that frame 3, invulnerable for like 10 frames, get-off-me functionality but the height will be atrocious and maybe not even have a parachute to make a slower descent. Game and watch has to charge the up b for incredibly long, a bit longer than diddy's barrels, in order for it to be the same up b it is currently. also, being that the move is invulnerable while rising, i think it's fair that it only grabs ledge after game and watch descends.

As a Puff main, I agree with most of what you said. For Diddy I have no clue since I've never fought a good Diddy. Some characters need nerfs that is undeniable but I think it is best to buff underperforming characters. (That is my way of thinking but perhaps I am just biased as my main is a low tier.)

I get your point woth the banana, but Diddy weighting the same as Marth/Lucina seems too much to me, I believe he should be on the lighter side

As a link main I'm a bit confused why link is B-, his advantage can absolutely sauce people don't get me wrong, but his neutral is almost non existent and unless you know how to bomb recover his recovery is slow and predictable and don't even get me started on how vulnerable link is in the air due to having a terrible up air and no range on f air and back air for how slow he is

I'm honestly thinking of giving Diddy Kong more incorporation from other games. Some references from DK 64 would be nice. His side smash can be the golden banana.

Snake: remove one granade and keep it like diddy has: 1

Congrats on getting that cameo from Bocchi the Rock

The nerf I was thinking about for Min Min was an overall slow down to her arm attacks. I unironically love this character, and my comment may very well be believed to be biased, which I can't do anything about that, but alas, I think one more nerf would be necessary. This would mean her arm attacks would be active for longer, but extend and retract slower, like 30 - 50 slower for example. So instead of the frame 15 arm attacks (frame 14, but that hitbox is a sourspot), the arm attacks would be stronger like 4 or 5 frames later, and thus have an extended sourspot period that should be weak. Right now in Smash, her arm attacks extend and retract faster. And honestly, the trample thing was something I didn't think about so having that nerf as well would be a help. I think with these two nerfs, you would have to preemptively throw out your arms and while your opponent would have an easier time getting past with the trample nerf in play, it wouldn't outright make her long-ranged melee attack playstyle not worth it. And yes, as someone who loves playing sword characters (that aren't from Fire Emblem), I've begun to despise Diddy Kong to where I think he needs a rework for him to not be so reliant on the easy, stunlocking banana that comes at effectively no cost and basically invalidates an important core aspect of shielding counterplay, spacing. And in general I think item tosses should be way slower to invalidate this instant, effort and risk free out of shield option should anyone have an item in hand.

I would watch a cast-wide rework series of 5 or so characters an episode. :V Source: Tell me about ZSS, Mr. KZfaq man.

Game and Watch up-B: Pros: Frame 3 startup Covers both sides of him Hitboxes reach far horizontally Intangibility Super high distance No freefall: airdodge after, or aerial after Able to float horizontally after Cons: Doesn't kill Low damage Call me crazy, but I think we should be harsher on GnW. The positive traits are all excellent and far beyond what ultimate characters typically have. This move allows GnW to have the best shield in the game, and it gives him one the absolute best recoveries as well. Both should be nerfed. I say slash half of these positive traits. I don't know which half, but it is absurd for him to have access to all of that in one move. Personally I think the most important one is to give him higher startup on the attack. Then either nerf the distance, or give him freefall. Or make the hitboxes smaller.

Bocchi jumpscare

My only ask for Smash6 is to tone down the uncontestable OOS and recovery options (especially on the campy characters). And after that make Samus sink like a rock during down B

Now redo the buff with the year of hindsight that we have

As a Samus main, I'm ok with banana being transcendent.

I think cloud deserve a nerf. In this current stat, his move are too fast for how big strong and safe they are. The limit move are ok but having a consistent big and fast out of shield option on as his up B is a non sense for me on a character that should struggle in close range combat. Even if this move is punishable it feel like pac man nair why does this move in on this character. If i were in the balance team i would increase the up B startup of 2 frame, reduice bair kill power (-15%) or/and safty on shield (increase by 3 frame the landing lag) in order to feel the move really stall or to be -6 on shield and punishable out of parry for the majority of cast if not perfectly space with not the case currently and may be reduce up air combo potential at low % by increase base knokback and reduce the scalling in order to keep the same kill power and keep up air finishing touch.

Wouldn't be better if they nerf monkey flip instead of banana? The 50/50 full screen, recovery seems more strong than getting hit by a mid that can be used against yourself

Great video, but I prefer buffin before nerfing

They're never going to get nerfed

Why is it so funny when he refers to game and watch as "this motherfucker"

Most of Fighters Pass Vol. 2

If I were to rework Sonic, I’d at least make spin dash and spin charge into a single move, where forward b is the dash and backward b is the charge

9:28 is no one gonna talk about this beautiful Bocchi mod!? Oml I love it

Hey I have the same Bocci over Peach mod! Let's gooo?

Little Mac and ganondorf because they are like totally SSSS++++

make g&w nair fish reflectable

Min-min is basically the dhalsim of smash however she doesnt have the hurtbox issue he does

I love Diddy Kong in the DK games but he’s an a nuisance in Smash

I wonder if there is a way to use the in game nerf tool. Because I feel like a lot of people forget that there is one in the game

You go show who REALLY NEEDS NEFS!

Can you do “Why No One Plays Zelda”?

Sonic needs more of a rework than a nerf Everyone says it and it's true I don't even think nerfing his side b stopping on shield is that important of a nerf either way since sonic can still jump cancel spindash at any point Spindash is good, not only because it goes through shields, but because of how he interacts with it Safe on parry and block AND on most counters, can cancel it at any point by jumping and immediately springing which has I frames at the beginning, making it impossible to punish with an oos option

Here me out. Nerf snakes grenade to not be frame 1.

I don't think that is the official tier list. Not all are in their spots. Like DK goes higher to mid.

Unpopular opinion : Aegis isnt broken. I'd actually slightly buff their god-awful recovery, and in exchange tune them down a notch. The character would be more consistent and balanced. Maybe just make Mythra's side-b less exploitable for some better recovery mix-ups? Steve needs his damage output toned down and his unescapable bullshit combos to be a LOT harder to execute. Same for Kazuya, his combos are too easy to spam and you cant do shit about it. A skilled player SHOULD be able to escape those. Sonic............. yeah just delete that thing from the game. Or at least reduce SIGNIFICANTLY his speed to match the other fastest characters. It's fine that he's the fastest, it's not fine that he's THIS much faster than the next fastest.