Same with my main Greninja!

@@asuuki2048 greninja is a lot better imo

@@AaronVillalobos Yes, but the problem is nobody plays him. Even though he is really fast with a good up move and slash.

Coming from a greninja main.

⁠@@l3mxn1 : It’s precisely because no one plays it that Mewtwo isn’t as good. If it was good, then wouldn’t pro players already be flocking to it like Aegis and Cloud? There’s a reason why Wadi, best SSBU Mewtwo player in the world, relegates Mewtwo as a secondary.

Oh yeah that tail is annoying granted it’s a good high risk-high reward concept but there are way too many animations like his double jump, dash, and Aireals they expose the hit box more than it should.

He's not even the only one with a tail attack and I don't even think the others have a hurt box like he does 😭

The tail hit box is really not that bad, you don't need to play around it that much. I agree with the video , mewtwo is a high tier.

@@Littletony525 Delusional

@@Littletony525 I agree, but the annoyance that comes with it is what I think turns people off from him. It doesn’t actually make him bad it just makes him frustrating.

I personally don't think Mewtwo is that technical in the first place. He's about as Technical as Samus and Bowser combined. Like those 3 things are nice and all but I don't think they'll help out Mewtwo too much. Any character with a charge shot can wavebounce (Excluding shit like DK Punch, Flood) and it doesn't really give much people an advantage over the opponent. I know this first hand as I'm NOTORIOUS for wavebouncing a lot for no damn reason as charge shot characters. Teleport cancels are cool looking but just because something looks cool doesn't mean that it's practical in neutral, advantage, or even disadvantage. I cannot think of much practical uses of Teleport Cancels other than trying to swag on your opponent offstage by crossing them up with one. Footstool disable is for the most part some twitter shit not gonna lie lmfao.

Footstool disable is a good tool on paper for punishes but yeah there's no way that alone would be enough to push Mewtwo up much. Character is clearly designed as more of a hit and run character but he's just not great at it. He's alright but his playstyle is always going to be pretty unimpressive. Mewtwo fans should just be glad he's no longer garbage and is actually decent now

​​@@Sh1v3rIZAEBeen playing Mewtwo for years (10+) and Mewtwo is definitely more technical than he seems. I still havent seen a player use him to his full potential yet, SDX was the closest but left smash. It's not only footstools and teleport cancels, it's also slide back down b's, dtilt> IDJ into uAir>nair dragdowns which are greatly underused. Infact dtilt IDJ combos are just very underused with mewtwo and gives gim acess to his biggest combos. Also nair has 7 different ways it can sent opponents each with their own confirms and it makes it very hard to consistently control and get the best out of it because of that. All that coupled with his unique physics makes it unusual to control and adds a layer of difficulty Might not be the MOST technical but definitely far above average, there are reason why we dont see Mewtwo do his craziest stuff in tourny. That level of technicality is usually not worth all the weaknesses that comes with it and needs dedication to pull off. Fundies just arent enough for this character. He is definitely harder than Samus and Bowser individually OR combined. As Samus player myself, there is nothing that is hard to pull of as Samus. I still struggle with M2 after all these years. If he was that simple, people would use him as a secondary.

@@chalybee8689 First of all I want to thank you for telling me about Dtilt IDJ combos, those sound like a nice concept. Mewtwo's nair is actually pretty consistent. Odd numbers send in while even numbers send out. I found this out while messing around in Floatwars (Tail Smash combos) But even with the things you provided I still don't think that's enough for a character to be considered technical. Having a few character specific things just isn't enough for me to consider the character to be technical. I was comparing him to Samus and Bowser the way he can just shit out damage output at times and how he's a big body, on top of his somewhat straight forward neutral plan at times. That's just me personally though, but it is because I'm a huge pseudo Melee/P+head.

IMO, mewtwo's biggest irritation, is his drag down N-Air leaving the opponent facing a random direction, if it didn't then drag down N-Air would lead into disable and lead to some crazy set ups

I agree about his teleport. It has similar utility to Palutena's but more range, isn't an attack so can't be countered and since it goes in all directions and recovers pretty fast, you can just teleport out of most non true pressure if you've got the chance. Definitely one of the best up Bs in the game.

When I play Mewtoo I pretend to be his character from the first Pokémon movie. He’s psychic type so I envision being a step ahead of my opponent.

The way I see it is he his a character with a bait and punish style that has the possibility to play more aggressively against more defensive characters and overwhelm them thanks to his better frame data and kill power. That's the situations where his aggressive play shines in my opinion.

He's teleport has stupidly strict spacing which makes canceling really hard to do consistently. Theres a reason non of the pro players really do it in bracket. And the end lag on it means you can't just freely telepirt back to center stage unless your opponent is going off stage to edge guard

Some fun tech with Mewtwo's teleport, is to bait out a reflected shadow ball and use the intangibility to teleport through the reflected shadow ball and punish the end lag on the reflector

Why would they do that to Mewtwo? Seems like Smash hates him.

@@DrNotEmpathetic I didn't know a lot of people didn't play him. He's one of my mains.

He still isn’t great though

@@AegisEdge he isn't the best. But it is still a really good charakter. I would say, that Mewtwo is a little worse in Ultimate than it was in Smash4, but the current toptiers are just better.

@@vanikura2302Yh in smash 4 he was quite annoying

I play Mewteo as well. I got stomped by my brother playing falcon, but I trained a bit now I'm better and I usually beat him. F-tilt is a good spacing tool, shadow ball can be spammable but down special is a bit situational. Yeha he's floaty but I don't mind.

This kinda has a similar vibe to Elite Four Karen's quote from Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal or Heart Gold/Soul Silver. Players should use the characters they want to use, regardless of what other's opinions are. 😊

I love this comment but what’s wave bouncing?

And what’s slingshots? I wanna do that with Mewtwo. Is that just the grab reverse throw?

@Elliot Morley slingshots are a method of while in momentum being able to defend and create mix up movement options. I would strongly suggest you watch the slingshot video on youtube, it's hard to really explain without seeing it.cheers!

Down Special (Disable) is absolutely Broken on Mewtwo. Disable outranges Swordies and gives him I-Frames.

@@Mika-xw1xp Yeah, what I'm hearing is "its very situational" like I said.

It's because you're gay.

His rapid jab feels like it's fucking the opponent UP. Maybe it's the sound design (along with it of course being the most damaging rapid jab in the game, if I'm not mistaken).

U main Aegis and Ridley ? U must be a very bad human being lol

Mewtwo's advantage state is a dream... if you can get it that is.

Damn, you live in a town with a notable and strong competitive scene? I didn't think places outside of cities would have that.

I think a lot of people just think of melee and resent Mewtwo. Current Mewtwo is completely different and is a powerful glass cannon that actuallty has mobility, combos, range all in one.

After watching: I fully believe he is underrated. You said you think he is s potential high tier, and I do too. Probably A-. I think his faults are so obvious and people overlook his incredible strengths. They see big body tail hitbox low weight and put him in bottom tier. He is hard to play in that you have to be very much aware of what you can do and your opponent can do, due to being a big body light weight, you want to play safe and explode in advantage without over extending, and then you have to be that much more patient and observant in disadvantage to limit the damage as much as possible. His tools are so good though. Yeah, the tail hurtbox sucks, but the normals are still really good. His specials are also ridiculous. Shadowball is definitely one of the best projectiles in the game. Confusion is a reflector and a command grab. Disable also isn’t cheese, and is a legit hard read death sentence. It has situations where it is more consistent (covering platform techs) as well as proper setups (shadow ball > footstool > disable). Teleport is also crazy and is a tool out of disadvantage and the crazy stuff you can do cancelling it from ledge and plats is crazy. Confusion and Disable are crazy good but they are also hard to use. Compare this to DLC who have great abilities that are kinda brain dead.

So Lucario _did_ effectively replace Mew2 in Brawl...

I miss Brawl when no one played Ike.

Because he was busted. Literally mostly every else was fine, except his weight, of course.

Was basically going to say something to this effect. Sure, advantage state feels extremely fluid/satisfying, but disadvantage state quickly sucks the fun out of the character in an overwhelming way. If you care about results, you probably are going to want to prioritize consistency. There's no doubt Mewtwo hasn't been optimized, but I don't see how he really gets there (fox/pikachu matchups felt especially brutal). Followed Wadi's lead and started maining R.O.B. Admittedly not as much fun (gyro camp for dayz), but the consistency difference is like night and day.

I main ridley and second mewtwo, and I completely agree with this take lol. Part of why I found mewtwo fairly easy to pick up

​@@agrungedrummer gyro camp for days!! 👌🏕

Being a large character/large hurt boxes and being lighter than what the norm is. That is fundamentally unfair or going into a fight with unnecessary handicaps. This goes for both Mewtwo and Ridley. It also applies to dlc like Sephiroth. But he has enough good things to balance that issue out.

@@redshepherd32 Your mistake is that, unlike the other two, Ridley isn't *light*. Sure he is not a superheavy but he's at 107 units which is more than ROB.

I main incinaroar but it’s going to like 15 minutes of “L he’s slow as shit.”

Weight+Size.

yeah it allows him to take advantage of his speed, still working on it though, it's not easy, and I have been slacking on my labbing lately

It also circumvents his turnaround weakness with his tail when trying to retreat which I also like

@@sai6724 exactly, I have noticed it’s kinda hard to hit a fair unless your calling out a dash attack or something… mainly use shadow ball with it… still it’s a really good option

@VarsIII Heads up that this is probably a scam? Not sure if there is anything you can do about it, but either way I wanted to draw your attention to it.

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