It's still crazy how 1 lethality item makes him 1 shot any sqashy and then he can build bruiser or tank items to complement it. But that ranged debuff sucks for bruiser aspects. (Imagine grasp as an option.)

Yes and it would be perfect

melee bork on him would be broken

I really wish urgot becomes a melee. We will get hullbreaker back, titanic at full strength, bork, even conq. But sadly we are perfectly balanced in an unbalanced game.

Remember when there was no ranged penalties for Hullbreaker? I swear to god, I discovered that on Urgot a couple days right before the nerf and every single game I rushed it, I steamrolled the enemy laner.

Amen brother, long live the Crab 🦀!!

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Well said brother. Praise the UrGOD

you missed that he has litterally no snowball

​@@d4s0n282what do you mean he snowballs very good

@@rega5888 naw is trash

@@rega5888 2 early kills on Urgot means fuck all whereas 2 early kills on Rengar or Lee Sin make or break the game, he has Midgame powerspike, which means unless you reach it you are still weak, even if you are 3/0 you can still get killed by your opponent, Where as 3/0 Darius can run you down.

@@Fr33mx no

what learning curve? not in a "it doesn't have one" way, i genuinely don't know

​@@hachihiraga, yeah, yeah, execute, which can be cancelled by too many ways has literally no learning curve. If only it was like Pyke's one, that's the execute you really need to learn, I guess? Or maybe Syndra's execute requires much skill. Or Asol's.

​@@hachihiraga disagree. His ulti can be game changing if done well, but is also pretty useless if you dont use the fear. And his execute is a long range skillshoot and is not to hard to counter

It was also the first true execute in the game and set the precedence for future ones, even on items. Honestly it is one of the best full redesign of the champs that people accepted with little push back. So many others, before fiddlesticks, suffered push back. I think he needed and deserved it more than many others at the time. Doesn't mean it was balanced or anything just accepted change.

​@@victorgomezgarcia5630 I would say Asol has the easiest execute in the game since it is the only true execute that goes above 25% of max life AND on a basic ability. Though it only does it at the center it still can get massive. With a Rylais it is really hard to escape. Pykes is better on squishies, but Asol is downright disgusting. Sydra, Urgot, and Draven (the three others with true execute) is only single target Draven bring the weakest as it is flat health equal to stacks which is often less than the 5% from collector anyways. Syndra has the advantage of at any point while the ability does damage it will execute so it isn't only at the first hit like others. Personally I think the true executes are becoming too easy and now with 5 champs with it (Urgot, Asol, Pyke, Draven, Zeri) it is questionable how easy it is to get. Collector was feared for a 5ime because it was easy for anyone to get, but once the 5% was seen it really isn't that big of a deal when you get to 4.9% life unless you are so God awful tanky where you take almost no damage. Even then it should be rewarded for how much they had to do to get you down that far. I had Asol execute at 28% max health once. It was disgusting how easy it was to get kills.

Him being ranged keeps it balanced

Only reason why i wouldn't say his itemization is bad is because he has a lot of options; His only "must build" item is black cleaver, and an upgrade to tiamat depending on games. The mythic isnt even an issue, since it would be your second or third item, so you can build anything that fits for the game.

​@@lightdrgn20 Nilah is melee and has the same range as him...

​@@nathanwaterser8218 but Nilah plays in a lane where she has the lowest range and Urgot plays in a lane where he has the range advatage

​@Nathan Waterser she gets bonus xp, counter strike she can give to allies, bonus heal and shields from everyone around her, a instant cast dash, and aoe autos. Urgot is all forward or all backward he can't kite like she can.

I think the ult resetting his e would be good but I think every kill would be a bit too strong since it also gives him a shield. maybe if the shield was less or it gave him something else like a small speed boost?

@@cuegert9895 nah, the speed boost is pointless kind of. you're supposed to use it to stun, after which you just attack, the speed boost would reward you for missing

Give brand a reset on his spells after his passive gets a kill give garen another ult while you’re at it

@@Betroid Garen with another Ult is just Darius.

It fixed his greatest weakness and provided an additional slow.

Urgot Q is less there for the damage and more to tag someone for your W. It gives you more control over your W, which is a vital tool to use but without using Q to tag your W will change targets when you don't want it to. You shouldn't be using it for damage, that's what your W and passive is for.

not true, when he had good mythics he still had same issues

Urgot W should crit... then krakengot will be back

@@Danielle-fm2tj I mean e does the same thing and grants better things like a dash that if used correctly can stop cc, a shield, a knockup stun, and you can use your w during e or at the end of e to get 2 shots off really fast.

he's viable in jg in Wild Rift. What happened that he's no longer viable as jg in League PC?

@@dominicguye8058 He is still viable in the jungle I ve been nonstop Jg with him since his rework. Its good just gotta know what you re doing

@@dominicguye8058 He's viable. Obviously his ganks are pretty ass, but he clears well.

@@dominicguye8058 His ganks don't exist when his ult is down tbh. The strength of Urgot jgl is that he can clear camps and objectives lightning fast with tiamat or hydra, and his overall kit discourages running him down like so many jgls are built to do. Outside of that, he doesn't have any hard engage abilties to let him be a proper boogeyman of the fog of war. Other junglers all have abilities that let them suckerpunch you out of nowhere and get on you immediately, Urgot can really only land the *tastiest* long range skill shot you've seen all day and snipe you out of jungle with a ranged execute. While equally as terrifying, it is not near the boogeyman ability of a certain mutant praying mantis or one eyed cat jumping on you out of a bush. It definitely doesn't compare with Sasuke using noclip commands to run you down either. This makes him more of a counterpick for when your team already has engage rather than a blind pick in the jgl tbh.

@@ProSharpshooter yeah it feels like that a lot with champs that used to work. Garen jg used to be sleeper strong but they nerfed Predator into the ground bc singed mid was 56% winrate with it and he's barely playable since

what do other urgot mains switch to? his weaknesses really feel bad and im thinking of trying to leanr a different champ

legit same, but i think i played him enough

@@d4s0n282 darius or morde

@@d4s0n282 I switched to Renekton, who is a super fun champ, but useless in late game.

@@juho5282 yeah I like my late, rn learning jax and gwen

he has the same power Yorik mains had (I think they no longer possess it). No one plays this champ, so no one knows how to play against it.

I have 650k mastery on urgot and I can be dominating from early game, but I can also still go 0/12 against a better player, sooo

Because the people that play him are the the ones that know him best

its me sry... i have a 90% winrate and consistently get the most gold every game

​@@localhobo5362yorick lost it's magic after videos about how no one knew him started popping up, then everyone started testing That and when he got the massive lethality buff

His E is already undtopqble, you just need to use it at the right time. But you can use it to stop cc if you use it correctly.

@@seancollins7482i dont think so cus i get stunned at the end of my e animations or get my e cancelled

@@masazino4967 maybe while you are dashing, but if you start your E just as the cc comes in, the E will go off

This is by far his greatest weakness. Due to his inability to slow push he just can't stack the wave big enough to get a good window for diving and even then due to his low mobility diving is a risk.

What does that mean? You agree with what he says in the video or disagree?

​@@patchesm pretty much most of the points the video tries to make aren't issues to urgot mains. It's honestly kinda funny the video talks about urgot as if he is an engage and chase champ. When he isn't. He is an anti-engage champ, as in he punishes champs that engage on him. Also most of the "counters" he listed aren't counters at all to an experienced urgot. All those melee match ups except for Olaf, urgots typically don't have much issue with at all. It also glosses over basic facts like how urgot e makes him pseudo-immune to cc. If you time it right, the wind up of urgot e does not affect the dash. So if you know you are about to get stunned, pulled, whatever, you can use e, get hit by the cc, then the dash goes through. Riven tries to q or stun you? She set herself up for an easy e into ult. Same with aatrox, but aatrox doesn't have an easy way to get urgot off him. That is why Olaf is a true counter, urgot can't kite olaf while he is ulting, so urgot can't make the most of his passive if Olaf knows what he is doing. So this video really only shows that the reason urgot isn't played much is because most people who try him at first don't understand how to play urgot properly.

@@mobi2289 You said the people who try him at first don't know how to play him properly. But that's true for all champs. And you said that he's an "anti-engage" champ, something that Vars has long argued is an inherently degenerate playstyle.

​@@dominicguye8058 you completely missed the point. It's not about playing him properly, it's about not understanding his role completely. Some champs are just more straightforward than others. Even first time picking Leona majority of player base would understand that she is an engage champion, first time picking Urgot they wont understand wtf they have just picked

@@dominicguye8058 not necessarily. It was pretty obvious Leona on release was a hard engage champ. It was pretty obvious that Darius was an all in champ. It was pretty obvious that Leblanc was a burst champ. Now imagine if instead of those roles, they played Leona and Darius like poke champs or assassin's, and played Leblanc like a control mage. Then those same people wonder why those champs feel awful. Also, anti-engage isn't degenerate. Never has been and has been a part of the game ever since beta. Champs like anivia were designed around the whole idea of slowing down the opponents and stopping or delaying their engage. Also any champion who peels is considered "anti engage" cause they stop your more vulnerable carries from being free gold. The only people who think peel and anti engage are degenerate are the same type that wish cc wasn't a thing so they can't be punished for playing stupid. Which urgot thrives on. I have watched this channel for a while but never heard him call anti engage or peel degenerate. Definitely didn't hear that when we was talking about yorick and his w.

yes and no, my main issue with him is that his snowball is so ass, due to no engage or nothing, there was times I lost due to team just losing and im really strong, but they just refused to fight me at all in midgame

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W has a catch: it's still not his main source of damage. Passives are, W provides decent amount, but this amount still way less, than from passives.

However, you still have a way to control your W (With your E or Q), unlike Bel'Veth who attacks the lowest health target, whether if it's a minion, monster, or a champion, in short, has no priority.

​@@voidrush2738, Belveth will benefit helluva a lot from E anyway, unlike Urgot.

Juggernauts and bruisers like sett darius illaoi garen aatrox mord ksante literally like 60% of top lane playerbase

No. It would make him the most disgustingly strong champion in the game. Riot had to make hullbreaker have less efficiency on ranged to target ban Urgot, early 2022. He would absolutely delete anything in the game, especially towers and squishies. He already just needs 1 letha dagger to blow anyone up.

​@@EruCoolGuy the hullbreaker changes were to hit Akshan actually, they were ready to buff Urgot if he was hit too hard by the hull nerf

Last year for 1/2 patches his W on-hit modifier was increased to 75 from 50 and that broke him, sooo.... He's fine as it is

Absolutely not. Ad items are beyong gimped on every ranged champion, 1000000x worse than on ap items. Lilia got a 4% winrate bump from beibg made melee and getting full benefit from just demonic embrace and his runes. Now expand this out to every single item urgot buildsb

IBG is his best mythic by far and it works perfectly on him because he doesn't need more damage other than his cleaver + hydra core

Also zeri and upcoming champion twitch have some adjustments to PC counter part but yeah I hope vars talk about wild rift for once maybe.

And item's exculsive Wild rifd (solari blade charge, ixtal seeds jar, etc)

@@serawr6449 I mean WR Zeri is just pre-mini rework N.8 PC Zeri lol But i get what you mean.

Not to mention the lack of certain items (like the Hydras and the Collector) and how it affects the champions that mainly use them, among other suggestions The potential is there Vars !!

how is he different in WR? I don't think I'm familiar enough with his PC kit yo notice a difference

Illaoi...other than morde she shit on all of them if played corectly, i perma bannef illaoi for the past 3 years till i got to actually play and abuse her and man...even if u are 0/15 you still do damage

Illaoi has a decent playdate right now.

@@GaryBaldon-ov3tq only been decent past month, almost never happens and I been playing her since release..

More like 51% of games

Or maybe you're just bad and that's cope😅

Hey idk if you still get this message but I really love your PFP! I myself enjoy sumireko too

use your q on the one you wanna target, it auto locks people hit by your q

@@usernotf0und722 it's like the way how you can't even hit anyone with it because how small is the cast range

@@usernotf0und722 yeah but that’s not viable at all when there’s 3 people that were hit by your Q or other scenarios like CC making it where you have to land Q again. His W is also built where the person standing next to you will be hit so even if you land your Q you still won’t hit your target

Skill issue

That’s why titanic is a must on him

do you remember when Riot buffed his onhit dmg just a bit on his W? And how broken he was during that time? He is super hard to buff without making him a perma ban champion. If they gave him melee treatment they would have to compensate nerf him, because building a singe lethality item makes him nuke assassin. Liliya was made melee and her w/r skyrocketed for like 4% (only because of Demonic embrace and Conq), imagine Urgot who can now build 10 more new items, lol, melee PTA, Conq etc.

They should not buff urgot but nerf darius and sett. Then he is playable again

didn't Vars say over and over that ranged champs counter Urgot?

@@dominicguye8058 Not by my experience. You can poke them back with Q and if they dare to come close to harass, you'll just hard engage on them. Of course I am speaking about low elo here but Urgot isn't as viable in high elo anyway. There are higher priority top picks than him.

@@dasunguy they super hard counter urgot tho, its just that 99.9% of people are bad

@@d4s0n282that’s why he said low elo. And Urgot has his E + Flash anyways which may as well be a guaranteed kill on any champ he would wanna use it on like ranged squishies

@@PeriodVampire opinon has changed since then, although he's a low elo stomper, I honestly thinks he good in higher elo, he's just a unique champ, and he's not extremely rewarding for a scaling bruiser