TRUUUUUUUUU

Destiny gets destroyed in every debate... even when he isn’t present, even when he’s alone !

Not really.

@Li Stathis bernie bros bootlick crime bills

@@cezarcatalin1406 the copium...its just too addicting.

Republicans think they are anti establishment yet vote for a party that is very much establishment to the core.

In this case, the Establishment is pushing the anti-science narrative that biological sex isn't real. It ceases to be (only) a culture war issue when government starts writing laws that ignore the rights and interests of females.

Damn! Vaush made that point.

@@paulweeldreyer7457 yes the scientific consensus that sex and gender are different corelative concepts, the scientific consensus that agrees with the validity of trans identity, that science is anti-scientific, so anti scenrtific is science that doesn't kowtow to my dogmatic believes that invalidates trans identity.

I know so many Americans are struggling to make ends meet even before this pandemic hit, but, but DR. SEUSS!! GINA CARANO!!! WAR ON CHRISTMAS!!!! MUH RIGHTS DANGNABIT!!!!! REEeeEeEeEEEE!!!!!!

I don't think the suit suits him very well, lol. But maybe I'm full of shit, and everyone else thinks it makes him look sexy...

@@joegillian314 no... You're absolutely correct

Looking young is definitely a great thing.

I think you make a great point. I have conservative friends and we agree on, like you said, all the problems. Well, mostly. They usually are outraged about some culture war issue that is so insignificant. Like the Republicans in Florida just passing the bill banning trans athletes or whatever. How many trans people are there in total and how many are competitive athletes? But that is a must pass legislation to them!? If we don't do something it will be a slippy slope where every male athlete will undergo a sex change to dominate in women's sports! Our infrastructure is crumbling all around us and any day you and I can get diagnosed with a health issue that bankrupts us but HOLY SHIT THE TRANS PEOPLE WILL RUIN SPORTS!

The Nazbol vortex isn't real. What happens more often is leftist keep supporting Democtrats with no reward rather than drifting so far left that they end up on the right.

@@SaveTheHero210 This is an awful take. What happens more often is irrelevant in the face of much worse problems. To abandon these positions is to abandon principle and embrace regressive and authoritarian ways. If that's your view on the left, most people will be out, it will be much worse than catering to the Dems.

@@fellinuxvi3541 isnt that what we are asking of conservatives tho? This ultimately cuts both ways. We arent going to stop being fascist overnight even if we start killing each other over it. Its just the nice inclusive fascists lite vs. traditional racist fascists. There will never be a perfect solution, so I'm going to raise my kids right and make sure the have at least a fucking planet to live on thx.

@@serialthrilliayahoo We are not fascist right now though, that's the point of being critical of rising fascism. I agree that you take the least bad option, but to me, that's liberals and Dems, not the populist right.

I've got to say I'm truly amazed at how wide Krystal's mouth opens when enunciating almost any vowels. That's my issue with Krystal's face. And I'm not saying it's a problem or objectionable in any way whatsoever. It's just a thing...

Krystal’s face is perfection

Krystal's face helps soften the blow of the ugliness she has to report on. 💕

Read it 10 times trying to figure out the sentence 🤣

@@Kryojenix that's actually a really great trait for a presenter, very clear annunciation and the correlating facial expressions are especially helpful addressing crowds, and for viewers with hearing or vision needs. Really clean, crisp, and professional.

😂🤣😂😂😂🤣😂🤣!!!!!

Vaush being Newman huh? Lol

As a fan of Vaush, I still think this is accurate and hilarious.

@@umang95 Lol, Seinfeld isn't that old yet

This is fucking gold.

😂

Come on, we all know he has no legs.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Holy hell he has legs?!?!?!

I don’t get it

That's basically how he always dresses

There are a number of reasons I respect Vaush, and not a single one of them is “his dress sense”. He’s, like, in the bottom 30% of men’s fashion. Bottom 60% on a good day.

Vaush is a dumb person's idea of a smart person. It's the radio announcer voice that puts his act over.....

@@666marquis wow you’re pretentious

These are the guys MSM is afraid of. Thats why they suppress them. Stats show that the majority of media consumption comes from outside mainstream media, because one way or another leftists and right wingers have both come to the conclusion that MSM is a shield of the government.

Most independent media is cancer though, far worse than MSM.

@@jkrt8722 The independent media also promotes democrats and republicans so it’s no different than cable news. An example of this would be when Joe Rogan said that young people don’t need to be vaccinated, both the cable and independent media joined together in condemning Joe Rogan.

@Arthur Klages troll much

@@giantsr1eva the major difference is lack of backing/ influence by big pharma and the military industrial complex, seen on full display in ALL MSM

They’ve wanted to talk to each other for awhile, they just never had the time.

A couple lefties get together and talk shit ... yeah never saw that coming 🤣🤣

@@Kalivermore925 I don't understand why people take vaush or destiny seriously at all. I heard destiny comparing himself to Sean Carroll and I was like I'm out. These guys are clowns. Entertaining tho. Decent rhetoric. Not a lot of substance as far as I can tell. Overrated thinkers

@@JohnCorley13 who do you prefer to watch?

@@JohnCorley13 don't compare vaush to destiny lmao

We'll he does call himself an introvert after all

Ikr... How dare they? Disgusting.

Civility is not a an important goal

Then on stream he talks about how Krystal is a fascist enabler

You should see the kinda smear job this dude's tried to lay on Krystal on his own channel...

Wow, three people who agree get along in a conversation 🤡🤡

Vaush is based. And Comic Book Guy has a neckbeard and 5 o'clock shadow. Vaush's beard is a legit beard. In fact, if he shaved his beard off, there'd be another beard under there. Comic Book Guy's beard barely hides how much his neck jiggles when he turns his head too fast. I'm saying, "I get the impulse, but let's look a little closer before coming to a conclusion."

@@heavysystemsinc. could you blow the guy a little harder?

@@cptsketch13 if only I could

@@cptsketch13 all of us Vaush fans want to blow him

He sounds like comic book guy too

Disgust response and fear of change. That's it basically.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Yeah pretty much. As a leftist, the Democrats are basically undercover Republicans at this point

The left is kind of famous for disagreeing with each other though.

Anybody who is as nice to Andy Ngo as Krystal was when he was on Rising is not on the 'left,' IMO.

@@KyleS.1987 you’re not to bright are you

Kyle is just so used to working by himself. He was brutal with interrupting when the show first started, but he's getting much better at it with every episode.

@@Engineer_Heathen I also speculate that he’s been using stimulants recently (no judgement, i too use drugs, and he’s mentioned it b4), and I can say from experience that certain drugs will put you in a mood where you’ll just wanna talk and talk and talk. And since he was used to doing a solo show, like you mentioned, the drugs likely exacerbated his interrupting in this new environment. That said, showing restraint like he does in this clip is good and it shows that he’s making a conscious effort to be a good news host, and I respect that. I see myself a lot in Kyle, so I know that it can be difficult not to chime in when talking about important topics.

@@themeerkat6034 Well the parts Kyle clips for his show tend to be parts where he had a lot to say or a lot to ask. Kyle does sometimes push himself too much to the forefront, But it's not as bad as these clips might give you the impression. I would totally recommend watching or listening to full episodes. As someone who has been subbed to SecTalk since the black blanket background days, I was sceptical at first, be there's honestly never an uninteresting moment.

@@theMosen Actually I'm a big fan of Kyle in general and I've listened to most full episodes of KK&F, and I 100% co-sign Meerkat's criticism here. It often comes off like Kyle's doing too much in the pod, though I agree with both the cause (he's used to going solo) and the idea that he's getting better as time goes on. I'd guess that people who identify more strongly with Krystal's rhetorical style feel more strongly about it, too.

yeah he's been doing secular talk by himself for years, i don't ever recall him having a guest or doing interviews on that show. He has done a few appearances on mainstream news shows, and you pretty much _have to_ interrupt those guys, otherwise they'll just lie and smear you if you don't aggressively correct them or defend your position, as he explained in one of his videos from a long time ago

Based name camarade.

Destiny is also a disgraced sc2 player for hitting on young girls from his streams. The fact he popped up in politics is nauseating to me.

so easy to do these days

@Don Shepard Look mate, I have issues with Destiny too but that's not all of his political opinions. Or have you forgotten the thrashings he gave to people like Eric Stryker and other fascies/conservatives a few years back? He's not some strawman, he actually does know his shit.

Which debate? I see one on here from a few months ago.

He worked pretty much solo, or at least presented solo, for so long I imagine there's some adjusting pain when it comes to learning how to co-host as opposed to host.

Krystal Ball gave the smallest support recognizing the full context of the storming of the capitol on January 8, and the insecure Justice Dem supporters constantly feel obligated to push back on it. "But storming the capitol is wrong, right? Right? Right?" How many times does she have to condemn the riot before the snowflakes will back off?

@@seculartalk2992 lmao

@Jerry Sissom what'd they say?

Wait... what did the Channel's account said? 👀

As a right wing populist, it's cool, we don't like you either.

the title does say it's krystal responding, so...

@@bernardosax I didn't mean it as a slight I thought it was funny to point out.

Kyle's a cool dude.

Unfair. But funny.

I actually respect him for keeping his mouth shut for most of it, he knows its not all about him

Vaush was too nice Krystal. Watch his videos about her and the rising where he honestly dissects her BS without him being concerned about offending her.

@@laurencewhite4809 You sound like a 12 year old

Did you tune out her response to what her goal of the show was? And vaush himself admitting that it was a fair rebuttal ? The rising is just a bridge to get people to agree on popular issues. Kinda how msm media should be, right? They’re pretty much a Corp media outlet but actually bring on excellent guests from time to time.

What if they're your enemy?

@@GreyRock100 who’s they?

A pet peeve of mine also.

Hear hear. One of the more obnoxious trends of speaking that seems to have emerged in the past few years. Not a fan.

It’s helpful for refocusing listeners or the rest who can’t follow the conversation sentence-for-sentence.

When I heard Shoe get interviewed I figured Vaush wouldn’t be far behind

They’re all extremely sensible

Hopefully this opens up more opportunities for Vaush to be a guest on other shows. I imagine a big hurdle is demonstrating that you're a good guest to have on.

@@undergroundman1993 Hopefully the Vaush interview will eventually lead to a Hasan interview.

@@Sugarman96 Hopefully. I’ve been waiting on those two to come together for years.

Didn’t you watch the video where she downplayed the dangers of the right after the election, she said dems were fear mongering of a conservative riot when it did happen in Jan 6, (this is based on a take right after the election in November). He has every right to mad at her including times where she she has gaps on her coverage. He never downplayed her importance when it comes to expanding the Overton window on Rising but some bad takes she did.

She makes it easier for the right to claim their false equivalency despite knowing better. That means she is arguing in bad faith. I do not care about her reasons. She is filth.

Because he's a clickbaiting neck beard pandering to an audience

i think his biggest thing is that she doesn’t fight hard enough against thr weird narratives saagar tries to push (idk how to spell his name lol) and that just never ending cynicism without meaningful solutions, which means making entire segments on solutions not dropping in here and there “abolish the filabuster & elect bernie”, can lead ppl down rlly bad roads.

@@cptsketch13 i mean he’s gotten way more calm over time plus his audience is currently malding in his twitter feed bc they wanted him to go harder on her & he didn’t, so i guess he isn’t pandering to them now?? yall weird

@@aman-qj5sx except that their vote results in ruined lives

What's funny is he doesn't realize it applies to the left just as well.

@@dontyoufuckinguwume8201 A vote for Democrats is no better.

@@dontyoufuckinguwume8201 Compared to the green party, democrats ruin lives. Representative democracy will forever be lesser evilism. I don't think it is possible any system could not "ruin lives"

@@aman-qj5sx But you agree with them for 40 min on a variety of good policies let’s say like ending corporate welfare; min wage tied to inflation or production; even in many instances single payer healthcare. All policies that have a direct impact on material well being. Then boom! Just like that a culture issue like trans people using a bathroom or dr. Seuss and it’s blown to bits. The reactionary instinct kicks in and now they have zero interest in entertaining a person or candidate that wants to push for those very same policies you just agreed on for 40 min over a dumb culture issue (in many instances) that has no impact on THEIR life.

A Turtle approves of this long awaited moment.

@@just_a_turtle_chad in life, birth, death and the soshellist turtle are forever constants

"Our battle will be legendary." Did not disappoint

What.. All he did was agree with her and throw up strawmans... After bashing her relentlessly on his stream for things she didn't say or do.

Long awaited? It's so disappointing they didn't get an apology from him

Mine is too nuanced and convoluted for Hue Manns to understand.

lmao!

Oh yeah, Alden’s number. I’ve heard of that... I think...

What is that?

I wonder what they would do, if hypothetically, their plane crashed on an island...

Vaush does the same thing just for your average neo-liberal democrat!🙄🙄

That's the problem, both her and Saagar attack the democrats. Krystal is still very bitter with the democrats cause she lost her election.

Most conservatives i know grew up around democrats or socialist . I think it is somewhat condescending that someones political view is a product of their upbringing and not from their thinking.

So we fall back again to the nature vs nurture debate. If you're on the left you will say nurture, if you're on the right you will say nature. We know that temperament determines your political views. I'm on the right. I think that my temperament is heavily determined by my genes (not entirely, of course, but very heavily). You guys probably think that temperament is constructed through socialization. So sure. I get why you guys would think that what Vaush says is noble. But it still is a point of contention in the culture war.

The issue is some of them are contradictory and where do you decide one approach or the other. The reality neither has absolute answers and both answers will be needed and wisdom is knowing when to act with specific remedies.

@Kyle Ganse Excellently stated. Any fair, independently minded person can see that at different times, the best approach may come from either the conservative or liberal side of an issue. That’s why cultivating a healthy “public square” for wise social debate is so paramount. And, that’s why the lack of a fair, functional public square is harming society today.

@@AlanGarciaC.1093 The science that has worked on left vs. right thinking people seem to, so far, show that it is more nature than nurture.

Absolutely true. Then again one might say that even if it's a small part of what they do, it's still concerning - just like it is when someone is a great guy but occasionally says some really bigoted shit.

And they were not even bad. Vaush cannot listen to what is being said.

That is true that there is some selection bias but that is generally what happens on the show to a lesser extent.

@@PatrickOMulligan I think the worst thing was them downplaying Trump's tactic of spreading misinformation and conspiracies about the election results to try and incite a coup attempt to overthrow the election, which actually ended up happening. In retrospective it was wrong to believe that it would be successful, but there were tons of red flags and they covered it like it was just liberal hysteria. It certainly did seem like it was possible they could have stolen the election if there were just a dozen or so more conservative hacks in positions of power going along with whatever Trump wanted.

@@Cancellator5000 coup lol. Did you watch all their coverage on it? Cause I did. As a liberal I think it was liberal hysteria. They did not downplay it, they accurately reported on it.

Vaush wasn't a good sport, he wasn't honest about what he said about both of them.

Krystal's an obvious grifter

@@Peasham poop sock

@@robeson1231 really now? How?

@@saintsfearful No specific evidence will ever be given by @Peasham , just vague gesturing. VDS.

I have the same issue and I'm an actual leftist. I can not stand culture war shit on either side. People like Vaush get caught up in that shit because he really doesn't care all that much about the socio-economic issues in the country. He's comfortable making hundreds of thousands of dollars on Twitch so who gives a shit if the Democrats or Republicans keep winning forever, it won't affect him negatively at all.

@@jthom0027 That... is a 100% bad take on Vaush. At least in hindsight a year later.

​@@jthom0027 plus him saying he doesn't find it worth the time to properly apologize to Poppy.

It's a feature not a bug. Keep the low classes from fighting about affordable housing

not journalism, but punditry. Good punditry, but punditry nonetheless. Journalism involves sources, breaking a story, etc.

@@diegol.4664 Who would you consider a "journalist" out of curiosity?

@Colorbug the MSM won't die until traditional television and KZfaq do I say KZfaq because if you didn't know they give msm a incredibly unfair advantage over alternative media by pushing them on people relentlessly I mean I never watch any main stream media but still I get recommended it everyday and I get unsubscribed to channels I actually watch like secular talk for example.

Krystal Ball gave the smallest support recognizing the full context of the storming of the capitol on January 8, and the insecure Justice Dem supporters constantly feel obligated to push back on it. "But storming the capitol is wrong, right? Right? Right?" How many times does she have to condemn the riot before the snowflakes will back off?

@@TheRybka30 I'm just asking a question. What? Am I invading your safe space?

As soon as vaush distances himself from destiny he gets on kyles show :D

me too for some reason i didn't expect this at all. proud of them.

@@sozialdemokrat4891 what happened with Destiny and Vaush?

Vaush is atrocious

@@FuckKZfaq554 Destiny became pretty childish and uncharitable towards Vaush and its come to the point that whenever they debate they both become pretty hyperbolic. Plus on Destiny stream where he reacts to Vausg saying he's done with Destiny he just laughs at all the things that he's done to Vaush, like getting be to try and dox Vaush etc.

Its so minty

Squidward color

Old 70's pastel colors, there used to be cars and kitchens in this color lol or very similar

I like that Kyle's jacket matched the set, and Krystal's dress matched the border.

It would be fun for them to bring on different historians to talk anything from.lenin to reagan

Well, no, it’s obviously not “just a conservative problem”, we deal with this from tankies constantly as well. The problem is ANY dogmatic ideology which discards reason, regardless of what “side” it’s coming from. It just so happens that tankies are an extreme minority, whereas it’s pretty much the entirety of the conservative wing that engages in this. Once again, it’s a false dichotomy.

@@wohdinhel The left has plenty of culture war issues upon which it will get hung up and ignore the 80% of things people can agree on. Pointing fingers is the problem. Don't be part of it

The present Establishment elite has one master trick in its arsenal. Every time folks start getting close to figuring out the actual truth (problems based upon class, DC selling out to China due to greed, etc.) roll out racial divisiveness. As long as that trick continues to work the elite feel safe.

It's not *just* a conservative problem, however it is many times more likely to show up in conservative circles than leftist ones.

@@masondickerson9466 Wrong. Just flip conservative/liberal (or whatever fashionable term used for “liberal”) depending on your pre-existing prejudice. Is there some difference between “conservatives” ignoring racism or prejudice and those on the left ignoring Antifa or violence or riots or looting?

@sine moderamine we’ve got another shill for big seltzer 🚨🚨

@sine moderamine It prevents its own hangover!

It would also be a good name for a progressive punk band 😊😊

You are heaven sent !! This is the beginning of a legend !! Bigger than the Ramones and the Pistols 😂😂

Grey Goose sounds like the fancy gourmet version of Toilet Duck

@CRT is anti White hatred Smash cultural marxism Really, who did they kill?

The user name is really all you need to understand why

@CRT is anti White hatred Smash cultural marxism Lol

@CRT is anti White hatred Smash cultural marxism grow up

@CRT is anti White hatred Smash cultural marxism Prove that statement you dolt, and don't try upvoting your own comment to look cool.

Why does socialism lead to fascism and why does communism lead to mass death?

She's doing the same thing Dave Rubin did. She'll find Christ and be on Prager U soon enough.

@@bidhrohi12 "yeah then she'll be a white nationalist!" You people are always jumping to extremes falling into the prey of the system to divide us. You sound like the same people who tout Qanon, covid conspiracies, anti Vax, etc......

@@yukiminami9202 destiny lost his mind

👀

Worst title ever

what do you mean with "..." ?

@@xybersurfer nothing, just used it to accentuate how I separated the phrase in my head

@@GabiGhita aha! i get it now

It’s annoying.

i could tolerate his tone a lot more if he weren't so ignorant and hypocritical so often. that's what makes it so offensive

He's VERY good at speaking, very articulate, but I think that often gives people the impression that he's more intelligent than he is.

@@TheFirstHurrah i don't think he's even that good at it, just better than most people due to experience and his aggression often overwhelms them. watch his debate with actual justice warrior to see vaush fall apart when up against someone who really knows their stuff and researched their opponent's knowledge base well.

@@TheFirstHurrah He and Destiny are basically the Ben Shapiro's of the left

oh wow yeah

"Just got done speaking with krystalball and KyleKulinski on their show! Fantastic conversation; it'll be on their Substack tomorrow and their podcast on Saturday." - Vasuh May 27, 2021 12:42pm

Fat Ian's last action before turning into buff Ian, just to ensure the legacy lasts after him

Wait... what do u mean Rising just ended?

@@Robnas621 it’s over, Krystal and Saagar are leaving the Hill and going independent

Yes I cant wait til they interview Jimmy dore

"Crossover event" remembering the Blair white/candace Owens incident on the rubin report

I'm just trying to imagine someone having positive feelings seeing vaush.

Vaush is not on the left. He is a grifter

Totally agree! 💯🎯🙌🏻 All 3 of them showed a remarkable amount of rself control, courtesy, and character in this exchange - & I fucking loved seeing that! Because the uncharitability, mean spiritedness, and smug self righteousness & rush to judgement (based on assumptions) that I see & encounter on social media can be incredibly disheartening sometimes.. So seeing 3 smart ppl w/ strongly held convictions & courage to express their views - even when they are critical - who can do so in a way that's honest, but not hateful or derisive.. That was really nice to see. (And I hope their exchange can serve as a positive example to some ppl, showing that its possible to express criticism, disagreement, AND also be decent & show respect to another person with whom you disagree on some things w/o compromusing any convictiona. Think it would be a better world if more ppl realized that its not necessary to be a f-ing dick, & talk shit to someone, simply because there are some views that you disagree on - especially if the other person is acting in good faith & is being civil. In that kind of situation there's jst no reason to come back at the other person w/ vitriol, denigrating them, & lobbing ad hom attacks, etc..And not only is it unnecessary & pointless, its often a counterproductive thing to do too.)

very well put

meaning vaush never works with the right. if you agree on the solutions then you're on the same side politically

True True True

i thought his rant was more saying the problem is though they agreed on the issues, they never talked through the solutions at all. and because of that krystal made it seem like republicans could be worked with bc they "agree there are issues". its like that's the bare minimum, so the show was not actually doing anything. and that's true. what is the point of saying the show is about how the other side aren't horrible people when they never use their pov to do something constructive like talk about solutions and why it would work/wouldn't work.

@@null6955 can you name another maintsream show that presents two contrary opinions? I dont. appreciate the show for what it is, an example of the right and left actually talking to each other. not everyone needs to be super policy or solutions focused. sometimes you just need to show the opposition you're not the devil and move from there.

Good faith actors that agree on 99.99% of political issues have a productive discussion. What a surprise. 🙄

3 in a pod, no diversity. Let’s not confuse politeness with productivity

“Vaush” and “productive” are oxymorons

There's no one that Vaush could incessantly call a racist for an hour. Yes, in other words it was an enjoyable discourse.

Vaush is a narcissistic idpol crypto-shitlib hipster clout-chasing troll - that just got a bigger platform to be one so he's on his best behavior.

Watch it again and now look at Vaush through the lens of pretentiousness. You'll realize he's a fraud. Regardless, all the best to you. We must all reflect, youre right on that.

@@johnb7046 straight grifter

@@johnb7046 What about his argument do you think he wasn't qualified to argue?

@@johnb7046 this is such a weird take. "Watch again but project intention and assumptions"

@@johnb7046 lol what

Didn't realize this until I saw your comment. I don't watch it as much, just because there's so many videos put out by the hill - all those videos showing what the politicians are saying (no commentary). I would have guessed Krysal and Saagar leaving would have been a deal breaker for me, but I like Ryan Grim and I love Emily Jasinsky.

Ryan is a good lefty which means you're probably an enlightened centrist?

so sad :(

do you guys know why?

This is kind of shocking since it's such a successful show, now wondering wth happened behind the scenes.?? It's the only somewhat tolerable way I get the news since I reduse to watch MSM.

@@ghenulo Emily has some great panels!

@@dmgib5239 Probably Palestine coverage, but they won't say

The Rising is owned by a billionaire in Murdoch's own class of friends. So that's unsurprising of them to not go in hard as much as to who they rely on for dollars and views.

The Republicans ills are obvious. The dems ills arent obvious to dem loyalists. It needs to be pointed out more than the republicans.

100% correct

@@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer They're obvious because we usually point them out constantly. But if we don't keep doing so, they might not be as obvious in the long term. The fact that so many people now hold the position that Dems and Reps are the same is alarming. They're the same on many issues, and they're diametrically opposed on others, such as how they broadly treat minorities.

I totally disagree. They bashed trump and fox news at every chance they got. Maybe the dems needed some criticism too

no idea what you were talking about because i saw them all the time attack the right

Sagaar is Tucker's house boy.

Sagaar > Krystal

@@peterroberts4415 😂😂😂

Sagaar is a f****** douchebag.

@@peterroberts4415 1000% Also, a giant pile of corn filled diarrhea > vaush

@@ThatGuy-kz3fx No cringe is real. Often stemming from social awkwardness, obvious fakeness, "trying to hard", ADD-like behavior etc.

hear hear

this comment is pretty cringe

I find that people who say this shit don't realize that most likely they're part of said group

@@ThatGuy-kz3fx what?!?!?! no cringe is real. When somebody be is so insecure I can feel it, that is cringe

If Saagar had been there, it probably would have. Krystal's main flaw is that she doesn't call out Saagar.

@@Akumasama Yeah, I agree. That would have been the true confrontation with them both there.

@@Akumasama She does call him out to his face. This is not the time though.

Kyle is never the best

@Vicks VaporRub nevern't

Yeah. He was quiet.

Kyle didn't say anything.

He was the worst. He needs to leave his bubble.

Do you think that maybe, more people are starting to either be annoyed by or just have rebuttals to the progressive comments you’re talking about? Like, how does disagreeing with progressive comments make you a right winger?

Love how sly and witty she is. She's great

Yea. She pwned him in that simple line. He probably missed it.

@@shortstuff780 she's awful

they were not. vaush is a despicable loser

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Oof. I felt that. I fell out of that rabbit hole fairly recently. Vaush popped up on my recommended during the Smash Bros fiasco. I liked his energy and started watching his other videos. Dude changed my perception on things and I had to do a lot of soul searching. Nonetheless, I'm glad you dug yourself out man.

I used to really like Kyle despite finding some of his takes naive or uniformed. He pissed me off on occasion to with his blind spots like racial or women's rights issues. However I heard about Vaush first here in Kyle's chat from someone else who like me vehemently disagreed with Kyle's defense of Krystal (who I also watched everyday for several months in the lead up to and during the primary- Rising quickly went to shit after that). That combined with enough bad takes over several years led to me unsubbing from Kyle. (Packman too at the same time, and Tim Black soon followed tho of course I didnt watch him nearly as long) And I subbed to Vaush based on his completely valid criticism- he was saying what I had felt for weeks (only more articulately and with more words, lol). Watched about 1/3 of his videos for the last 10 months since. Only back here to see him. However I am really glad Kyle invited him on. I never felt Kyle was bad faith- I believe he cares deeply. I just didnt feel I could learn anything from him any more bc he had become too comfortable and a lil lazy. Ball I have absolutely no use for. She is a liar.

Kyle is a Democrat at the end of the day, he’ll only take you so far.

Exactly. Kyle can help to deradicalize right-wing drifting people by admitting and acknowledging some basic factual minor corruption within the Dem Party establishment. Too many lefties get trapped into thinking they can never admit ANYTHING is bad about someone like Biden , Hillary, etc.

Exactly. If you speak to most right or left wingers, you'll find they all share the same issues, it's just the solutions that we all disagree on. But we can't come to it. Lol

Yeah I really hope he said that at some point during the interview

And the solution is not Joe Biden.

@@ianbanks3016 Neither Trump or doing nothing

@@jimtroy4380 I agree with both of you. that's why we need to stop playing "lesser evilism" it is LITERALLY doing nothing. its the physical manifestation of the trope "when good men do nothing evil wins" Stop doing lesser evilism and try something.. anything else.

well he gets into his criticism towards the end of the video

Vowsh tends to have empathy for people who've got conservative brainrot, he just doesn't have any empathy for their opinions (which he does understand, he just disagrees with them). I mean, how much respect should you have for an opinion that's like "Trump won the election even though he's failed massively to prove it in court". Conservatives are victims of propoganda and I do think we need to make it clear to them that some of their opinions are subhumanly stupid but that they're not these degenerates who're beyond redemption and that behind all the political narratives they've bought into there's still probably a really cool person who also deserves happiness as much as anyone else. I think this is generally the posotion vaush holds. I remember him once debating a teenager who was arguing for race realism and Vaush didn't even go super hard on demonizing him, he was much more sad than anything else and felt really bad that the kid got groped into that shit.

@@boreragnarok4680 ok so you illustrated my point pretty well, first of all you are equalizing conservative view points with Trump winning the election. There are a lot of people who are republicans who don’t believe that. Second you referred to their opinions as “subhuman” which is disgusting and in the same breath called them redeemable. You’re painting half the country with the same brush. Does Antifa or some even more extreme lefty group represent me or the rest of liberals? Absolutely not. To my eye his perspective is phenomenally black and white. But we’ll see in the new video, and I’ll go back to his channel and watch a few of his most popular videos to see what’s what. My friend did point out to me that it was possible that his most controversial videos popped up on my feed (I watched 4 or 5 of them).

Yeah, it’s just not advantageous to be a firebrand when you’re being introduced to a large audience like Kyle and Krystal’s that prefers less explosive commentary. I still think the core criticism that Saagar doesn’t receive enough direct pushback for some of his absurd and anti-democratic positions is valid, even though Vaush often doesn’t deliver his criticisms in a very tasteful way.

@@devonreeves4630 Very true. It's also probably not a good idea to be a firebrand when you host a show with someone you disagree strongly with on certain issues, otherwise the show could devolve into very heated arguments which would be contrary to what the shows "mission" is, if you believe Krystal's explanation. Plus, if she pushed back to the extent we think she should, then Saagar would be pushing back on her ideas that he doesn't agree with. I'm sure there are viewers of their show on the right who say the same about him and think he should push back on her leftist ideas.

because he isn't a dick? when you are talking to someone and they aren't being an ass to you you typically don't start being an ass first.

@@comyuse9103 he literally called her a 'grifting b****" behind her back on a stream. He can be polite but actually address the severity of his comments. This is two-faced chickenshit

@@michaelcorcoran8768 cry more

At least the audio will be free lol

@@skatemo100 It's only five bucks a month. Help our boy beat Bari Weiss.

Yah I am shocked that's where they stopped it. I also really want to know how Krystal would respond to that because I think it's an extremely good point vaush was going on.

Yeah, I love it, you spend every penny of your "entertainment budget, if you skip a few basic necessities, just to get online... then someone tells you, it's just 5 bucks a month... ha ha good times.

@@thajarin Also, some people live in countries where the payment services aren't even available.

No ego there.

@@666marquis pretty sure its a gift from a fan but ok

@@tofuteh2348 So that means the guy isn't in love with himself?

@@666marquis maybe, maybe not, but to jump to that conclusion is kinda weird. This is typical youtuber stuff

@@tofuteh2348 I'm drawing the conclusion based on more than just the self portrait, bud.

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VAU$H is herding sheep for the DNC.

Thank you

Its rare and doesn't typically generate ratings

It is the currently all too common lack of this in political discussion that makes people happy to see it.

Have you seen the Hasan and destiny feud? Things don't always stay civil

It's mainly because Kyle fans were so convinced Vaush is the devil and he was going to come on and spew obscenities and dox the both of them and put CP on the screen and etc etc. As a fan of both of them, it was extremely entertaining watching these people riot and validating to see the people appear shocked that people know how to have conversations.

I dont think Krystal's behavior is all that atypical even if she had a more confrontational personality. I think its human nature. For example, If you ever watch say that Fox show with Juan Williams and a bunch of conservatives/republicans, they never address him with near the vitriol and disrespect as they do 'the left' that doesnt happen to be their colleague and sitting right infront of them. In fact on Rising Saager is just as reticent to push back too hard against Krystal as she is to do the reverse. Thats just how people work and really how it should be imo. The political echo chambering that modern technology has exacerbated is the scourge of western civilization and really is one of the threats to the human species. Rising was actually more important than people realize(Especially the people who think those of the 'opposite' political persuasion are either evil or just engaging in flawed thinking).

He was just trying to be civil, but yeah krystal ball is pretty irresponsible with her takes.

"I know from experience that some people (not all) are persuadable, but you will just have them tune you out if you start with condescension or shaming." Yeah, but that takes a lot of effort, calling them Nazis is just so much easier.

Krystal gave Andy Ngo the kid gloves treatment, too. I simply don't trust her.

@Matt Turner ?

Well all of the people in this episode are idiots so its not hard to criticize them all because all leftists are bad people and bad for this country in general.

@@tidus9942 Thanks for the contribution

@@tidus9942 really insightful analysis.

She isn’t a journalist, she’s a pundit. People these days have completely lost what journalism even means.

no

Yes, it was a paint by numbers project.

As a political project it might make your feel warm and fuzzy inside but overall its a waste of time. Why make "long term friendship" and persuade a right winger when you could just talk to someone who is not engaged politically instead (larger number of people)? How much energy are you going to put into converting a person? When you could talk to disenfranchised non-political people instead. Also, like Vaush has said before, agreeing on issues is a VERY small piece of the puzzle. Say we both agree on an issue but our solutions are directly opposed, then what?

@@BoogieDownProduction Why not flip this argument around and ask Vaush and his fans how much time we should waste on a political faction (the majority of the Democratic Party) that clearly disdains the left. And that’s a party, not just people in our circle and families who have different political attitudes. Vaush is now “disappointed” in Biden for acting like any knowledgeable political observer knew he was bound to act. Vaush just don’t know what he’s talking about a lot of the time

@@abe8435 - Vaush knew perfectly well how Biden would act. Supporting him was simply the practical matter of picking one's opponent, as he said many times. I think he was a bit positively surprised at some of Biden's initial actions, which lead to disappointment when Biden so quickly reverted to type.

@@abe8435 Idk about you. But yes my views are more in line with the Dem voters than it is with republican voters so it's kinda a dumb question. You can argue that more time should be used on nonvoters vs Dem voters. Ok maybe thats a good idea. But the same doesn't apply to republican voters, and hence why it's a dumb political project. Even worse when you consider the right wing solutions to the problems that we both agree on (hint their solution is incompatible with most leftist solitons, like directly opposed)

@@wickednwyld “This wasn’t part of the deal Joe” - Vaush, in response to Biden’s unqualified support of Netanyahu, apparently thinking Biden had agreed to any kind of deal

@@ThomasTedison I can't go long with you here. Trumpism is faux populism. True populism is a multi-racial mass movement of working class people for economic progressivism. It is and was a movement of the left.

Socialism is not populist at all. Populism of both left and right is incoherent. It wants to hook the working class further into the system of capitalist production instead of extricating them from it.

It probably flips around and has dozens of children's pictures on it. This guy is a creepy slime ball.

That's how you know you're dealing with a narcissist

I have a portrsit of myself on my wall.. a classmate drew it and I hung it up because I thought it was awesome. What's wrong with that? You're an imbecile

@@10003159 And you're obviously a reasonable person

@@jasperjaguar5453 amazing deflection dude

"danger" Listen to yourself.

Meanwhile BLM and Antifa caused exponentially more damage and it lasts to this day as violence in those same communities has mushroomed since George the silliest martyr Floyd.

Vaush represents BLM and he represents Antifa. He's the neoliberal clownshow .

@@jirikurto3859 Nice non-sequirtors

@@jirikurto3859 found the thankies

I love Hasan and Kyle and Krystal

Special guest: David Pakman (once a week)

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im in all 4 of their bases...

tuhhhROOOOOOO

If he wasn't saying a year ago that everyone who disagrees with him should die that might even be something to take him seriously on.

@Who else Hungry rn you're simply wrong. I don't know where you get that impression but it's incredibly uninformed

@@Peasham Citation needed

@@Jimbles_Notronbo nah, hes right.

vaush agrees with fascists because *sotto voce* vaush is a fascist larping as a leftist

Why do you like vaush? what's appealing about academic feminist identity politics from an average left perspective?

@@oraz. He's a feminist, and he rails against identity politics VERY heavily. Idpol is very much a conservative/liberal thing, not for us leftists. He's explained it many, many times now, but being a member of a specific demographic does not make you a good person. You are fully capable of being a woman, for example, and pushing for ideas that do not help women in any way. To answer for the OP, if I may, I like him because the explanatory utility of his positions and his lens of analysis are incredibly powerful, to the point I haven't seen any other person talk in a way that really gets at the foundation of issues that is as useful or meaningful. Also his debates are fun as hell, but also informative. Hope that answered your question.

@@SongGarde I'm surprised you're not critical of the feminist basis of all that, and take this feminist-left perspective as basically correct or outside of identity politics. Gender is one of the categories of identity, feminism obviously makes very fundamental statements about privilege being an overarching dichotomy in favor of men (even though outcomes don't actually reflect that) that's functionally identity politics and a very particular perspective about people. Maybe you agree with that particular feminist dichotomy, but I don't think it's something take as simply correct and don't see how that's obviously necessarily left, and even obfuscates class in favor these blanket academic assumptions which are essentially elite misconceptions. You don't have any critical feeling toward presenting academic feminism as fundamentally leftist, or presenting men as uniquely living with advantage with a syndrome of masculinity being the supposed sole exception? I'm sorry these aren't essentially good ideas, or even fundamentally leftist and are stilted toward a really particular perspective. This is all just taken uncritically as a good thing?

@@oraz. Wow that is an incredible amount of assumption and misconception jam packed into a few short paragraphs, I commend you. I'll try not to be too antagonistic, and forgive me if I keep it too simplistic, i'm going to be away from my own computer for a long time and I don't want to type books on my phone. To speak of privilege, currently we have what is referred to as "Patriarchy". Don't get alarmed, i'm sure you have seen it mentioned a lot but don't really know what it means. Simply, a Patriarchy is a society which puts preference on men over women in most cases. On the surface level, this can come across as "men bad", but the reality is that men are harmed too by patriarchy in the form of family courts, profiling men as more violent, more difficulty in finding a romantic partner, lack of social support groups, deteriorated mental health brought on by unrealistic social expectations (toxic masculity), etc. All of these things that harm men, are a direct result OF a male-centric society. This is the modern feminist position, and I find it exceptionally agreeable, yes. I don't find any if this to be mutually exclusive from leftism, in fact they are quite compatible--leftism being about dissolving systems of oppression. This is also why academic feminism is intersectional--if we only look at one power structure, we can solve some problems but we leave many out in the cold. These things need to take into account many other influences as well: A woman may face certain obstacles in her life because of her gender, a black person faces others, and a poor person yet more. A poor black woman, however, can experience oppression in ways that each lens of analysis can only partially address, so that's where Intersectionality comes in. As for being critical, yes. You should ALWAYS be critical of any lens of analysis, but if you find it agreeable and it seems to have good explanatory utility, and seems to lead to good outcomes, being ultra-critical at that point seems really silly. Certainly be open to being wrong, but I don't need to be critical of the idea that food is good for me to eat once in a while, you know?

@@SongGarde What you just wrote to me is some of the most typically insular stiled type of thinking if seen repeated back to me. Nothing you said is anything new, just a very easy type of self rationalizing ideological rhetoric. If you're a proponent of this kind of superficial narrowly self-affirming dogma, spare the person reading these flourishes about "don't be alarmed" etc. There is no way I could get through to you with the kind of totally self assured rote ideology you're repeating back to me. There's definitely no possibility for anything productive to come from this conversation unfortunately, so I'll just leave it there.

100%. Saagar terrifies me.

@@samhhaincat2703 hahahaha.... Sums up people perfectly. "Terrifies" 😂😂

Yes.

That's how bad it is here

He is also pretty fair when reporting, which is weird to see nowadays!

So true. The entire community goal is to cry on a daily basis. I find their takes in everything hilarious. The alpha/beta stuff makes me feel we are living in the Teen Wolf mtv tv show. And the fact they create a community online to literally every problem they have makes me laugh. The Nofap is funny. I shouldn't laugh about this though. Some of these guys are really lost. Thanks god I have a good father and mother close to me whom taught me how to be a normal human being.

@@Valwiggers27 😂 Nofap is bro science for real. Yeah it's ridiculous. I don't know where you fall on the political spectrum but I think leftists can see through this bullshit a mile away. I've been engaging with that community the past couple of months to see what the hype is about, and I figured maybe I can learn something. I've listened to their arguments and engaged with some members of the community directly in comment sections. They really want the world to go back to a time when women were property. They won't put it that way, but that's where their arguments lead to. A lot of them feel insecure as hell about women having more options and power today. Then there's the narcissism and hypocrisy by KZfaqrs like Kevin Samuels and others. A man can cheat on a woman and that should be expected, he can have multiple sexual partners before marriage and that's completely fine, but if a woman does any of that, she "belongs to the streets". The craziest aspect of that community is the narrative they've built up about what women are like. You know, the narrative that women only want a chad or tyrone (😂 check the racial stereotyping there) and that "average guys" have no chance with "average women". It's like these guys have absolutely no relationship with any women in their personal life. The hypergamy stuff and all of that. The narrative they've built about women is true for some women, but if they just pay attention to the women in their life and even talk to them, they'd realize that the red pill ideology does not know shit about women.

@@Valwiggers27 Nofap is funny on the surface, but disturbing if you dig deeper. A lot of cults weaponize sexual repression to keep people trapped, and the alt-right and incel communities are no different. They actively want their members to be too horny and stressed out to think straight, and it works as a trojan horse for conspiracy theories about women and the media.

@@tasheemhargrove9650 I agree. The reality is that an average white male is considered good looking by beauty standards ( and even some men of color get some love nowadays) and can get a beautiful women especially if he has social skills( of course if all he do is play videogames on a daily basis and never go outside he'll not get laid,). And yeah the racial stereotypes are cringe. I think they have a too negative point of view about life in general. Or maybe they let their insecurities cloud their judgement. I dunno. Life is not that bad especially if you're white or light skinned because the beauty standards privilege although I find people of color good looking. I think these guys want more than girls liking them. They want to be worshipped. That's not how life works, but some girls will like you with a lot of intensity. Anyway, I believe humans are individuals and women are not an exception.

@@Valwiggers27 *alpha

I welcome Kyle's clickbait titles in order to help game the algorithm which is always tilted in favor of authoritarians

He's a synthetic leftist.

He's terrible extreme leftist

If you like “anarcho-Bidenists” then he’s your guy...

He's fucking awful don't do it. Go watch his opinion video of Rising and Krystal/Saagar. That will tell you what you're in for.