They deserved it tho, its a wake up call for them especially for the that fcking high ego coach Didnt learn from the 1st two matches I thought they're hiding strat coz they keep using baxia and akai But boi i was so wrong

I do not know if playing tank junglers is the most comfortable route for Echo, but assuming it is, the team played with their most comfortable heros, so win or lose, they did it with their best heros like what the coach from singapore said. Regardless of the results, aim higher next time and keep the Echo express going!

Magcoach ka na Vee. Kahit nasa Blacklist ka pa, ang laki na ng ambag mo sa pagda-draft at pag-analyze.

echo's always like this. It takes them way too long to adapt to a new meta. When Karltzy finally adapted to the tank meta, they went on to become world champions and now a new patch drops two weeks before MSC and they're back to their old habits again. Those drafts against APBren were atrocious

Veenus analysis is goodd

Why utility jungle works on echo when they face others team, but in apbren they lose when using utility jungle

Damnn Venuss nailing all the drafts moves and predict😄😄cooll

People keeps blaming the coach but coaches have to compromise in order to match the pool of the players and the best posible picks. A perfect draft is nothing if the players couldn't execute it. Karltzy was the best assassin user. Keyword, *was*

In mpl they don't have analysis but they win here at MSC have analysis but the draft does not echo type aggressively

Same with Onic indo. I think echo is not yet practicing too much assassin this patch.

Kyletzy really not buying fully to the utility jg meta seasons before really helped innovate apbren this msc. So much flexibility from their draft (esp the mid julian gamble)

I swear I really like MPL PH, they are all the strongest teams (ML god) I hope I can watch it live on stage at the upcoming MPL PH!!

Comeback stronger KarlTzy

Coach Mamshu OhMyVee!

that pharsa pick dont work but still they keep using...its better if sanji used the julian coz he can play

they lost because their draft is predictable, they always open Julian for no reason and couldn't adapt to FCAP's hero draft picks and playstyle. Sad that they lost against FCAP (since they are my pickem) but happy that a PH team is in the finals!

Idk about high micro assassins but why didn't they pick julian when it was open i am pretty sure karl can play julian or even sanji why 2nd pick pharsa

We need worthy opponent for APBRAN. The match is too unmatched.

Karltzy only uses assassins against weak teams😂

Karl is good with retri yet he doesn't wanna pick an assassin

Its good to see all team using assasin jungler, very aggresive game play than tank jungler

Difference between NA fans and PH, NA fans blame teammates of their favorite players while PH fans giving credit to the winner because they picked, banned and played better

If you don't fight for what you want then it doesn't make any sense if you are sad or disappointed like this just swallow the raw truth and prepare for the next no need for sadness

Thats where karltzys confidence gap is at. He's using utility jungle because his teamates cannot keep up with the damage output that Bren can produce in such a short amount of time.Even if he likes going for assasin and secure kills and objectives, in the long run their towers will definitely wittle down because kyle can definitely kill any heroes they have 1v1. Sanford is good but against someone his level, it's 50-50 He's on always aggressive side and its good but marco can already anticipate it thus he arrives faster than benny during these objective clash where their lanes are on the opposite side of the map.Then benny, it's not his positioning that makes him very strong it's his ability to completely release a burst damage in an instant but in terms of positioning he's a level below marco and so is marco in completely bursting his opponent, he's more like kiter than a burster. In terms of midlaners I think sanji is a level ahead of pheww but in team fight, pheww opts for a poke damage rather than a clash damage because he knew that kyle can one shot anyone as an assasin if he can wittle them low enough as karltzy was forced to play as a utility jungler. The new emblems and items also gives a much more advantage as an assasin jungler than a utility jungler. Sanji likes to fight agressive in a fight. Mostly 3 combo shot to eliminate marco or pheww but his style of being a mage is completely countered by Master Owgwen. Owgwen is really good at reading on when an enemy decides to instantaneously remove a player in the map and will not hesitate to use his arsenal even if he knows the enemy might bluff because even if he missed, flaptzy always compliments his mistakes as well as owgwen for flap. As for jaypee, thats5where it contradicts the playstyle of echo. Jaypee tends to think more of how to save his teammates and make a one definite play. His play is more of a wiped set or game ending set like what chaknu is. He's really good at reading assasins but he's limited by Karl's utility. I think that if jaypee is a bitore aggressive in his playstyle, they could've caught flap and owgwen most of the time because they're the only two in bren that can actually slip up. But i dunno tho, that's just what I was during their fights. And also when they beat bren in Ph finals, it's because the synergy of phew and owgwen was too focused that his synergy with flap just became no existent.

Its not the player its the coach if they practice more assasin they will be confident to play it

rafaela is a solid pick on assasin meta

Masyado nang paulit-ulit draft ng TLPH eh. Unlike sa APBREN na first pick nila mind game na, example is yung Julian at Roger pwedeng gawin gold lane or mid lane and pwede rin e jungle kaya nakakalito talaga.

Galing din talaga mag analyze ni ohmyvee

Okay Lang yan marami pang Laban SAN-SAN. Atleast nataLo kayo sa kapwa nyo pinoy.

Daddy jaypee in front of wise is crazy

Mas compotable si karl sa utility jungler. Actually efective naman tinalo nga nila ibang team. Malakas lang talaga ang APBren sa macrohan.

Venus game IQ 1000

ECHO draft against APBREN this MSC just like ONIC draft against APBREN during last M5. Why they picked sustain explaner when they want to use utility jungler. It will never work on APBREN. They should just go for Damage type explaner like what they did in first game, third game and also during final MPL PH to give APBREN the hard time. Its also Sanford comfort pick and can make him combo well with Sanji.

Now no more tank meta in tournament, because farm too slow + no damage to let opponent aware of u except ur gold or mage good until can carry damage (dps, but still lower meta than fighter / assassin jungler now

If tank jungler wasnt invented the whole MLBB region will bow down to karltzy

congratulations to SRG for winning MSC 2024🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾

Karltzy, if anything, looked like he wanted revenge after that beatdown. Locked in. Let's go m6 Liquid!

Hnd ata nagbabasa ang echo sa update hnd na nga gagana ang tank jungler pero yun pa din ginagamit daming assassin jungler na pwd gamitin

then karl utility jungler

Blame the drafters and coaching staff for not picking assassin jungle for karl and prior early picks pharsa even tho mino and julian is still open. Not the players. Toxic comment section.

How can you play Assassin if your POS 5 don't know how to play Frontline heroes? Mino is his only Frontline hero and compare it on HOW Owgwen uses Mino.

So apparently, Echo is under the Semis curse whenever MSC comes up ☠️ ONIC ID 3 - 0'd them in MSC 2023 in the semis Now, APBR ALMOST did the same treatment against Echo/TLPH, 3 - 1 in the semis. Next year...HOPEFULLY they do NOT go through such a curse again, but APBR outdrafted them as usual, APBR read them like a book. So yeah, it was bound TLPH was going to get clapped badly in this match. Not discrediting APBR, but yeah, TLPH might have gone a bit hasty this match too.

Sa mga nagtataka kung bakit puro utility junglensi Karltzy, umay naman kayo. Dahil yun kau Jaypee😂 Ang liit ng hero pool nya kung saan sya nagiging effective. Outskilled sya kay Owgwen. Para ngang 5v4 ang laban eh. Lakas lang talaga ng tandem ng SanSan duo kaya nabubuhat si Jaypee. Check nyo game 5. Kahit si Vee di nya mairecommend na mag engage type hero si Jaypee kasi nga, lugi sa galawan. Di ko sinasabing mahina si Jaypee. Kaya lang, dahil sa playstyle nya, nahihirapan na si Karltzy kaka adjust. Di na sya makabalik sa assassin kakaBUHAT kay Jaypee😂 Real Talk lang ✌✌✌ Tsaka sadyang ML na ML lang talaga FCAP sa kagustuhang bumawi. Better luck next time Liquid Echo🎉

Karltzy hypercarry era is over RT

Ap bren won in games where they won in the draft which almost always had minotaur, even jaypee won when he got it. AP bren got very lucky in game 1, they got all the good picks. Ling is a no brainer, i dont know how that got through echo, he almost always gets ahead, after first turtle no matter how good the tank jungler user is. It had good damage, good cc and lots of it, they could engage back off and reengage and finish or just go all out unpunsihed, like 4 out of the 5 heroes have airborne cc, all three of the damage dealers have mobility. The flickers from julian terizla and minotaur was probably a pain to keep track and even then minotaur could counter engage or fend off anyone guaranteeing a kill for the team.

Same msc 2023 mpl ph winner with 4-0 but lost to semi in msc 2024

No one can challenge kyletezy and kairi on assassin no matter what team the face

Who can dare pick assasins vs the Greatest mid laner ,exp laner of all time + Best jungler in the world+Owgen and the best gold lane super marco?

I always think Bren better than Echo

This streamer is good. I think he can be a pro player one day 🗿🗿

coaching is looking ur team excel skill where they are comfortable and can handle a hero in bad situation. but pushing them to use a hero which they are not familiar is putting the team on risk of losing. and most of all their weaknesses. As coach you should know that then came out with plan to make the whole team work as one. I used to play World of Warcraft and i used Death Knight my job is to eliminate any healer on second option i will assist DPS

Sayang nga, kung nagdamage core sana...

LIQUID ECHO ONLY STRONG IN GRAND FINALS NOT IN THE LADDER MATCHES

Julian to OP that's why I can't use my main anymore😢

Yee TBH it's jus the Akai Hyper that doesn't work

Blame Mara, she sold.

Kyltzy gapped kairi in utility jungle and now gapped karltzy in assassin jungle. Kyle really is a complete jungler.

Coach ang may ka gustohan na mag tank jungler sya bat sya na sisi

LaosTzy... the most hyped one trick pony in MPL PH

matagal na problema ng echo ang coach nila. dapat kasi palitan na si tictac. every big tournament walang nag babago sa play style nila kaya sila nasasabayan ng ibang team. si tictac ang head coach sya sana mag plano kung ano mga gagawin 😅 mukhang ndi nag prepare eh masyadong friendly sa ibang teams nakalimutan yata yong mga players nya nahihirapan sa style nya

Mabagal na kasi mag farm ang utility jungle ngayon pinahina ng moonton kasi nga indogs say that boring daw ang utility jungle.. tapos sasamahan mo pa ng utility roam na malakas heal or protect and engaged pero noon yun pinahina na e

It's all karltzy fault

SanSan duo NALANG sana nag adjust sa pick. Like Julian SI Sanji at arlot SI Sanford at Akai or baxia SI karl.

Let's all be honest, karltzy is not good in assassin.

karltzy needs to adapt or retire....its been a while....he used akai last year vs onic ID and yesterday....he had two heores this patch...baxia and akai only.

be humble is the key

Prio nila parsa kahit open pa Julian at mino

buti pa Geekfam naniniwala sa proseso

Ang galing tlga ng veewise ng drafting alam na alam hhaha😂

3:20 lumabas pagkalalaki ni idol vee Haha

Bai na bai e, nag tatank core pa din kahit meta na ulit assassins. Coach at fault, dapat hindi ganyan drafting sa jungle para kay Karl kahit sa scrims.

Sayang yung premyo. Pambili pa sana yun ng mga bagay na gusto mo na hindi mo kailangan. 😂😂😂

ECHO didn't play with their own self and their Real Echo Style Game.. They just play safe thats why they Lost..

ok serious question. is veenus a dude or girl

parang daming naninisi kay karl ahh kasi d nila maintindihan meta ng echo, need mag adjust ni karl sa tank kasi ang damage nila is benny sanford sanji

pag nananalo Liquid Echo ng MPL, natatalo sila sa MSC eh. parang nung Season 11 lang, panalo MPL na-sweep ng Onic sa Semis ng MSC

yn din tanong ko 4 games wla pick julian tpos 4 games nasa bren julian

Utility isn't work against APBR. ONIC can't even do shiii

Laki pa naman ng prize pool iyaq hahaha

Bruh, KarlTzy only use assassin on weak team like indo

No Yawi No Trophy

Karlt doesn't have confidence to play assasin against strong team

Coach come on. Ling open you give to opponent. Soooo many times.

BREN LANG MALAKAS

walang paltos retri ni karl pero gg sa teamfight talaga hays

Echo coach noob

Andaming pro player dine sa com sem, sinisi ba naman yung players kung bakit ganun ang draft eh most of the time ay coach ang nagdadraft. Tsaka puro bash kay karl kung bakit tank ang pinili na jg eh ayun ang sabi ni coach eh, kahit pa gustuhin ni karl mag assasin kung ayaw ni coach hindi talaga sila pipili ng assasin

Just imagine play high tournament but use jungle tank.. Boring duhhh

Why Indonesia,Thailand and Philippines men sound feminine. They don't have deep voice like men should be.

Nagtatago NG strat echo para sa mpl ph s14 kaya sila nag patalo

Ehh pano mananalo yung core ng echo tatlong hero lang ang alam gamitin Akal,Baxsia,Fedrin ayan iyak tuloy

Ohmyp33n1s giving tips with his 5 hero pool. Crazy

They're tired of winning😁😁😁😁

Honestly the draw was unfair.. These 2 should meet in final but i guess they want to save the viewership since id teams eliminated and Indonesian viewers are important.. No one want to watch ph vs ph finals

iyak si SANFERRRRD.-manJean 😂

Ganito kasi ang nangyare see more.....

Skill issue man stop trying come up with excuses. AP just better

parang ibang KARLTZY makikita ng mga fans sa season 14 ng MPL. Feel ko lang. babalik to sa assassin. Feel ko lang naman. Wag kayo mangialam. mas magiging gutom na karl nakikita ko lalo M6 ang next. Goodluck nalang talaga

Ano pa bang gusto nyong gawin ni karl, talo na, pero expect nyo na babawi sila sa M6

Julian ngpahirap sa kanila