goku has always been straight up about things tho, he always speaks the truth of the situation

@@sadriddances4578 I'd rather him be real with me than just sugarcoat and lie to my face

Sure but Goku's handles it better where it's like yeah Gohan clearly slacked off and we need to have a talk, but pressuring and guilting him isn't going to make it better.

@Dylan Ogega Dude that's exactly what he did, saying stuff like oh now it's your fault your friends are going to remain statues and stuff. Again yeah Gohan's slacking off is an issue but they had two combat ready sayians there to back him up so going that hard on him about it is just too harsh. Goku knew they could still beat dabara and then he'd just talk to Gohan later about how he needs to start training seriously again.

@@Cloud-dt6xb Vegeta definitely was putting pressuring gohan to make him feel bad and realize he would have easily beat him if he keep on training but goku would have handled the situation much better because it wasn’t like they couldn’t beat daubra

Dabura is far stronger than Frieza and as strong as Perfect Cell (so yeah teen Gohan would have wrecked him).

they even boxed in the filler kzfaq.info/get/bejne/psyRe8JiqLXVXWQ.html

@@johangodojolo8652 the power gap between him and dabura aren't that big compare to that time gohan combo frieza

Actually I think Gohan was 5 years old when he faced Frieza if you think about, but your right though he was 11 when he defeated Perfect Cell

Hell when Gohan was just barely walking around he nearly killed Nappa and Vegeta himself

Not really.

@@NonStopKnocks yes really

Goku Gohan Goten Vegeta Trunks Broly and his father Tarble (Vegeta's brother) I think these are all the saiyans that are alive at the buu's saga

@@baneous18 yup 8 Saiyans i counted

@@NonStopKnocks shut up

If a saiyan comrade fights badly, he gets angry. Sometimes even to the point of killing them (like Nappa)

Its because Goku is thinking about dinner

These little nuances really make the show pop for me.

Goku didnt say shit cause he knew he was right

yup , as a prince , he always tries to bring out the best of other saiyans , just like what he did to nappa

Lol. Best comment I saw in db fandom

Just Shut Up That Meme Is Just Annoying Now You Bored Little Kids

@@jamesrich6815 then fuck off

What?? Most people are softies..

@@jamesrich6815 At this point its not a meme it's a fact. Lol.

See Vegeta means well

@Arache Bailey he does the same thing to Super Buu later

Harsh doesn't exist when Vegeta is around.

@@mechasandwich5634 I disagree

@@benjackson7872 Ah well...we got some opinions then. It's cool tho.

Shut up

@@REVOMusicSounds What the hell is your damage?

@@DeathKnight5608 over 9k.

@@DeathKnight5608 He’s one of those flowers in the garden…..he’s offended

Both are needed though. Without the gardener you don't have food to feed the people, without the warriors you don't have protection. Sure you can teach the warriors how to garden, but you can also teach gardeners how to fight. Best to be both imo

I wish he would've walked up to Gohan and Knee him in the gut like he did on planet namek LOL.

@@_MrLee and to cabba years later lol. And when Future Trunks pushed the Goku button.

I mean...Piccolo basically abused him as a toddler until he learned, so I support Vegeta doing it now as a teenager lol he was such a letdown

@@_MrLee nah that wasn’t right at all. He could’ve done that when when he was with Daburs

Couldn’t have said better. I am Gohan and Goku is my dad

Honestly Vegeta sounds more disappointing than angry considering that there aren’t that many seconds left anymore so he wants the ones that you remain to turn out to be great respected warriors. And as much as he would hate to admit it if it wasn’t for Goku he probably would’ve stopped trying to achieve power long ago

sadly

He has power but refuses to use it, so silly.

@@cyclops8238 Seconds??????

@@Zulfar-bd9tc he meant sayains

You should read Super past the ToP, he’s like the main character now

@@sasuke082594 and it's pure garbage..Toriyama and toyotaro don't know what to do with the series,The arcs in Super are basically structure like bad transformer movies but with them hyping up Vegita for him to get robbed of victory.

@@hiddenexperiment605 i actually really like where things are going post ToP

@@hiddenexperiment605so it’s garbage because Vegeta doesn’t win? Y’all just don’t care for the story being told, only the fights

​@@hiddenexperiment605mf really said the Granola arc was like a transformer movie💀🤡🗿

that is very true

Also because Gohan was the greatest Saiyan warrior at that time. Vegeta is all about pride so the greatest Saiyan warrior becoming weaker was disappointing to him.

Not exactly. Vegeta hasn’t been much of a father to Gohan at all. He’s disappointed in the squandering of gohans potential.

@@Small_child_punter I said surrogate son or nephew. Its obvious he cares a lot about Gohan, or he wouldn't be so angry at him. Its called tough love.

@@TDKiller415 off on this one. He doesn’t even particularly like gohan. Their relationship has never been anything resembling friendship. He’s just the greatest Saiyan who has become incredibly pathetic. Vegeta is angry at how such a great example of his peoples power is being squandered to where he can’t even defeat an easy villain.

Thats Piccolo 😅 Gohan used to call him "oji-san" or "big green uncle". Gohan was never as close to Vegeta as he was to Piccolo, but they still grew to share a deep respect for each other. If Vegeta didn't respect or care for Gohan, he'd likely be indifferent about Gohan's power level, or maybe even happy about Gohan's power being lower than his.

@@TDKiller415 I agree!!☺️😭

Toonimation But did it matter tho? And at the point of time before he had his mystic form unlocked Veggie was right

@@jadude119 Gohan would have been so strong if he had trained even 20% of that 7 year time period, that by the time he unlocked Mystic form, he would have been too powerful for anyone until DBS rolled around.

You know if you think about it, if the Saiyan race were still alive (as in if they weren’t driven to extinction by Frieza) during the Saiyan Saga then I bet Gohan would’ve been considered an elite Saiyan just because of his potential alone especially since his battle power was really high for a kid

Gohan was intended to take the lead, but unfortunately Goku-merch still sold quite well so they reconsidered

@@AwankO I always understood Gohan’s mystic form to tap into all the untapped potential he missed out on cultivating throughout all the years he didn’t train. So maybe his energy and physique adjusted through the mystic transformation, but his mentality sure didn’t. He made the same mistake he did against Cell by being too haughty.

He doesn’t care about the Saiyan race though, he just cares about his friends and family

@@jeffreyali1456 wrong, he cares about U6 Saiyan's

@@thaddeusgreen6490 his own Saiyan’s sure but the entire race itself and their pride and honor is really not what he cares about

He seems proud about his race but killed Nappa, one of the 2 last pure blood Sayans and was about to kill Goku + never wished his planet or other Sayans back to Shenron

@@heroe1486 Vegeta never liked Nappa and Vegeta was angry when Goku turned down the offer to joined him. And Shenron don't have the power to resurrect a people that died ages ago.

Trunks trained with vegeta in the time chamber. That didnt pan out well because vegeta just ignored trunks. I'd say train with goku and get metal lesson from vegeta.

He actually does in DBZ: Kakarot

@@techh8662 I think Vege was a different person then. Now he'd see the value in it

I think he does in the video game it was intresting to see

I wish the Buu Saga could be remade with that idea in mind lol

the end was basically uncle vegeta

Vegeta represents the fans. If he had stayed sharp then majin buu would have been doomed and Dabura a joke.

IF GOHAN WAS STILL A WARRIOR I THINK VEGETA WOULD WANT TO FIGHT GOHAN INSTEAD ESPECIALLY SINCE THAT WOULD MEAN HE WOULD BE STRONGER THAN GOKU IDK ITS A THEORY

@@moneyworld7517 why would you write everything in caps. It adds no value, if anything it makes people take it less serious regardless of any good points you make.

@@prvtthd401 cuz I want to and idgaf

@@moneyworld7517 Just like most people wouldn't give a fuck and try reading this eyesore

He said he didn't want to fight anymore because everyone was putting their lives at risk rather than himself against cell. Not because Gohan was stronger than Goku during the cell saga. You're idiotic

Even Goku 😂😂

😂 💀

Bro this comment killed me 🤣🪦

Bro 😂😂😂😂

And yet, he still ain’t fully matured.😂

That is painfully accurate 🤣

@@marlzz92 the new movies seems like it will redeem him so I have some hope, fingers crossed

@@cloudstrife4324 lol what? By defeating 2 androids? Pretty sure both goku and vegeta can do that with super saiyan 2

@@nameismissing5656 I don't mind him not being as strong as Goku and Vegeta, I'm just glad he's getting some amount of focus. Hope the movie's good

But remember that Gohan never loved fighting. Piccolo really understood him when he said that. There is no love for the thrill of battle. Gohan really was thrown into it at such a young age, he longed for the peace of an uneventful life

He would be a badass coach for Type A

The best coach ever.

Vegeta is the disappointed coach and Gohan is the star player who let himself go when he got to college.

@@kursor52 I feel I need a Vegeta in my life to help motivate me, even though he’s harsh, and hates soft and weak people like myself.

@@lukehart1500 me too bro :(

Exactly. Gohan could’ve been levels far beyond Goku and Vegeta. So disappointing how this went for Gohan 😩

It's funny, in 1 day he became past a ssj 3 level character when he became mystic. Then loses all his power in a few months when Frieza comes back. 😅

@@masterkc literally

That was intended so when Gohan gets to make a comeback it would be even more epic. Toriyama must have already planned his development into Ultimate Gohan beforehand. Not just physically but in character as well. Gohan in high school looked like a skinny nerd, while Ultimate Gohan looks like chad. Imagine him arriving to the prom like that all buffed up, Videl must have felt she hit the jackpot. Too bad all that got thrown out at the end, for Goku and Vegeta to come to save the day.

- I disagree with the most praise part but I hear you 👍.

Reading this I just picture vegeta knocking a 6 year old around after they arrived back to earth from namek lol. Yeah he really cared lol.

Vegeta and Gohan is the definition of tough love. Believe it or not Vegeta always expects the best out of Gohan because he's seen it first hand how much potential Gohan has. If Goku didnt come back, Vegeta would make Gohan his next rival although he's already stronger than Gohan in the Buu Saga

@@TheGodfather-bm3owGohan squared up with Vegeta and was spared. He def cares

Gohan was 9yrs old when he fought Cell NOT 11yrs old. HORRIBLE english dubs.

@@great159 oh really?? Thanks, I never knew that. In the manga/Japanese dub he’s 9?

@@nickrobles6716 this guy is incorrect in the manga he was 9 but the anime he was 11

@@FonutYT yeah that’s what I thought but is that like a translation issue or something ??

Gohan was not effortlessly knocking Cell around as a preteen, least of all Perfect Cell. He survived because of teamwork, because Vegeta came in clutch, or are you forgetting that Cell toyed with everyone? Also, CHILD. LITERAL CHILD. Go look at the random 4th grader. CHILD. Against Perfect Cell. Gohan was in a rage and super saiyan out of sheer blind emotions, he was never winning, he was surviving and scraping by because the adults in his life all failed him. Literally, Gohan only ever fought Cell because Vegeta's ego let him catch 17, and Trunks was busy trying to stop that mess. Also, Vegeta cares about fighting. Gohan not so much, he feels trapped by his heritage and the people around him constantly choosing violence. Vegeta was never his prince, think back to his first memories and being attacked again and again and again by Vegeta's hand at earth and on Namek. So while Vegeta sees the half-breed Gohan as a member of his race (who again, Vegeta's the ONLY one in the group who knows anything about their racial culture), Gohan really has no attachment or allegiance to Vegeta beyond "oh hey, the guy who always lets the enemy get to his strongest so the rest of us have to clean up or we all die is yelling at me, and now he's lecturing me on not living up to the same Saiyan Pride that puts all of us in danger because of his crass stupidity". I honestly feel no shame here for Gohan. He lived his life and made his choices, which happened to be different from Vegeta and Goku. Big whoop. Acting like "letting himself go" when he's still able to fend of the vast majority of assailants is toxic. There was nothing wrong in pointing out that Krillin and Piccolo were left stuck because he wasn't up to snuff, what was wrong was berating him for not living the exact same path as the others. (Oh no, the abused and neglected child with complexes wants to stay away from fighting, but this is a fighting anime so lets all victim shame him... take a step back and listen to yourselves. I am very much aware this isn't real life, but you're treating it like it is so you might as well consider the social dilemmas and ethics as well as the war time strategems.)

- What you said is fair and understandable 👍.

The absolute craziest thing about the whole video is the way Goku moves his eyes starting at 0:27 lol

Vegeta is literally around because the guy who has always been stronger than him didn't allow the finishing blow to be dealt to him. Most of Z's team is people Goku bested and did not "finish off." Also? Pretty much every villain in DBZ came to power because of him, and the fact that feeling big and bad was more important than "dealing the final blow." His son literally died in front of him by the enemy he toyed with until he was too much. Vegeta isn't wise. He's angsty and resentful, but proves, ultimately, that power without compassion does not make you a hero, nor successful.

yeah vegeta is the guy who slaps you for you to improve

@Barocrates Yeah, but Vegeta only got stronger through the years while Gohan got soft. Vegeta looks for new challenges (which is why he foolishly let Cell become perfect) but he rises to meet them. Moving on.

@@wilcee675 That's a really lame justification. The point is Vegeta literally did not practice his own advice, nor has his been successful using or not using his own advice. He's stronger and Gohan is weaker because of plot armor.

@@BigZach77 Vegeta's been more successful in Dragonball Super. Unlike Gohan, Vegeta trained with Whis. Gohan didn't even train after losing to base Frieza. That's not plot armor.

Better yet, he could've trained and used his academic knowledge to experiment on and enhance his training during those seven years. A thought that should've occurred to Gohan considering his past encounters with powerful foes both on earth and beyond.

@Digital Fates Exactly. And a fighter better than Goku

@Digital Fates exactly like his grandpa, bardock....

@@raghavlohia4116 He was a brilliant scientist

@@mat7083 no shut up

Don’t know about that…. This was before majin….

He did become the strongest again momentarily in this saga.

@MADISON MARSH future trunks would had done the right thing

Blame all that to Chichi despite his indesire to fight.

@@a.jthomas6132 chi chi didn't want his son to be killed, his husband already died 2 times

@@blablablabla1878 Right

ToP Gohan would wreck Future Trunks

Mystic Gohan was meant to turn that around. A confident, daring, even cocky type of character Gohan.

You don't need to talk shit about Goku. Goku is a better trainer than anyone in Dragon Ball.

@@nerdtom4513 i agree and piccolo

@@nerdtom4513 That's not even remotely true.

@@mandalore1089 That's more true than what you think

@@nerdtom4513 nope its not true, theres a lot of ppl in DB that are better than Goku at teaching, Whis, Roshi, King Kai, etc.

Good eye pointing THAT out 😁

Ngl having Vegeta and Chi-Chi as your parents would be a nightmare lol

@@YungJaime73 😂

- Vegeta, Piccolo, and Chi-Chi got that same “I gotta be tough all of the time to get my point across” attitude 🤷‍♂️. I don’t care for it “PERSONALLY”.

@@QuanBrown27 Actually Piccolo isn't that type at all. He is stern, but he is never overly hard on Gohan. After he sacrificed himself that is, when he first kidnapped Gohan he was still kinda evil. But after that, like I said he was stern but never harsh. That's why he perfectly encapsulates the positives of all of Gohan's parental figures. He is tough like Chi Chi, but not overly so. And he knows when to be "you did your best son" like Goku. There's a reason Gohan always wanted to be around Piccolo, but always avoided Chi Chi. Piccolo was tough but fair. He also understood Gohan better than Goku did. Goku spent an entire year alone with Gohan but never pieced together the fact Gohan wasn't a fighter. Lol.

He doesn’t. In Super, he outright forbids Trunks from training.

@@ritster21 super is bs. sorry, but it really is. only old dbz fans understand this

@@ritster21 what is this "super" you speak of? Sounds like fanfic garbage

@@ritster21 that’s just in the anime, read the manga, shits getting spicy, I’ll leave it at that.

@@sasuke082594 Trunks does even less in the manga. EVERYONE forbids Trunks and Goten from fighting.

- It ain’t a may, it is a “IS” harsh 😅. And that behind whooping he gave him way back in the day wasn’t no Uncle treatment to me 🤷‍♂️.

Agree except for when fighting fat buu. That was a massive strength difference, no way gohan was winning

@@ThatOneGuyCR Maybe if he trained he could have.

@@w.o.jackson8432 If he trained yes ofc he wins, but overconfidence during the fight wasn't his problem.

@@ThatOneGuyCR Correct, it was overconfidence in the preceding 7 years that led to him slacking off.

What is this comment? Gohan had the right to live a normal life after all he’d done for the planet.

I think his fight against Cell is why he is so angry in this scene. Also Gohan should have known better since he himself toyed with Cell after turning SSJ2 and it cost Goku his life.

Difference is Vegeta learned from that lol

@@ensanesane good point lol

Different scenario vegeta wants cell to transform because cell is still not on his full potential vegeta wants to prove that he can kill him at his strongest meanwhile gohan has every aspect of defeating dabura he is definitely outclassed by gohan ssj2 there's no reason to keep the fight any longer but he still gets away because gohan keeps toying with him

Vegeta didn't care about his life. His pride always mattered to him more.

I care for u...

Hit the gym. You're embarrassing yourself and the rest of us. That good enough?

@@RTGPrince Thank you ! I'm in a better place now than when I was when I made the original comment 😃

@@whitworth5s248 😤😅. I am kinda fit actually

One year late 😅... well that would have been cool, but Vegetas words were hard hitting, Gohan couldn't come back from that savagery 🙈.

He brought up his best friend piccolo the nigga that been rocking wit him since 4 years old...he had got basically killed him and his uncle krillen

@@someweirdguy yeah u right

Gohan’s real desire is to be a cross dressing singer

@@whitedragoness23 he got close enough with Saiyaman.

Lmao

- It ain’t a they, it’s just Vegeta.

They could do that since the saiyan arc of Z, so that’s not a high bar

So? Anyone can do that. All you have to do is shoot a large blast right at the earth

@@Ultimodestructico My point isn't that vegeta isn't correct. Remember even in the world of dbz, planet busters still make up less than 1% of the population. So to the majority of the dbz population and to people like you and me, hearing that someone who could easily destroy a planet (and that is an understatement) is still funny to hear.

@@reenans2860 Even Krillin is a planet buster immediately after the saiyan saga. Your point is moot.

@@Potent1al Because I need to make myself clearer. It is funny to me because outside the z fighters the other billion of the population as well as people like you and me, would be gobsmacked if someone who can destroy planets is considered weak, that is all. As I said before, I know Vegeta is correct since he is relative to Gohan in power compared to mere humans and understands that Gohan is and should be capable of so much more. So in terms of my point being moot, it does not make sense since I am already aware my point is moot, I just found it amusing. Would be the equivalent of someone running at the speed of light and a mere human like me and you overhearing someone calling that person slow.

It's all her fault for screwing up her son's future when he can be stronger than or as his father. What a shame

A.J Thomas not really gohan never liked fighting so it would make sense he stopped training

@MADISON MARSH We all get that. But still, she should've let him have the chance either way, even if he didn't like fighting. How can you be stronger as or than anybody if she don't give her sons any advantage to train on their free time?

@MADISON MARSH A good mother would have taught her son to be strong. Not put him on testosterone suppression.

This is a misconception I always see lol Gohan never EVER liked fighting. He ALWAYS gets drunk off power. EG Cell & Buu. Every time Gohan becomes a “Fighter” it only works when he’s doing so to protect people not cause he “Likes” it.

His character arc is at the pinnacle of great planning and writing.

ChiChi wouldn’t allow it

IMHO, Gohan didn't learn anything from this. He went right back to slacking off. Golden Frieza coming to earth should not have been an issue after they all learned about God level combatants and had something to strive for.

They have the dragon balls

@@brittbey3429 So because there are dragon balls Gohan should give up his whole character arc of wanting to protect people? Not exactly good writing for the character.

@@joshjones9749 they shouldn’t spam wishing people back than or go back how u can only wish people back 3 times 🤷🏾‍♂️

@@brittbey3429 I don't disagree that hard limits should be put back on the Dragonballs. But that doesn't really excuse the bad character Gohan became by essentially turning away from his established character arc. Goku is the one who loves the fight over everything...Gohan is the natural born hero.

@ytmndman Except Vegeta wasn’t showing Cell mercy; he didn’t want to waste time fighting the Androids and Cell plus he wanted to see what Perfect Cell could do. Vegeta was battle crazy, Gohan was weak.

@@wilcee238 Same result though

his plan was to kill cell after he had his fun, but cell told about his perfect form and he wanted a challenge, but you see how that ended

He's not trying to defend him because he completely agrees with Vegeta lol, Chichi did Gohan dirty. I get wanting an education for your kid but she has to realize Gohan is half-saiyan, an alien race bred for war, she stunted his combat growth.

This is so true. It is a shame the Goku growth couldn't have kept going. Heck, even though I'd rather just watch the fun film with the better animation, there's no objection to Vegeta straight up murdering Ginyu in Tagoma's body. And if they could've just given Vegeta the win, he humilated Frieza so badly after everything. Also different characters go from Gohan knocking out a ton of guys to others ki blasting or just beating them up, Piccolo takes out the other strongest henchmen. GT also understood these things, it really is a shame they let most of super otherwise regress to basically pre-Buu arc in way too many aspects. Not limited too Gohan training again, Goku taking things more seriously, and Vegeta going from using a wizard to gain strength to just accepting it from his wife and fusing again, after his disgust for the potara earings was shown in the buu arc. That 1hr thing with those earings was an atrocious retcon but least the Broly film gave us Gogeta and even though Vegeta is annoyed he also gets they got Broly just seemingly growing stronger by the second and mind you a more refined frieza with "gold power" is also hanging around. It's just a shame they couldn't keep to the actual really solid development these characters would get from opposites to just beyond different approaches to things, walks of life, etc, and acceptance when these guys originally were trying to kill each other, Vegeta still holding the grudge that became a rematch...which Goku screwed him over by hiding SSj3...I wish the show could at least use buu saga development standards especially when they can present new villains that aren't so massively overpowered like Buu got.

THAT NIGGA NAME IS GOKU

@@bakedgoods7116 chi chi didn’t do that gohan WANTED to be a scholar himself. chile toriyama even said gohan likes studying more than fighting

Not long after this he did tell Vegeta to ease up a bit though. I think he just let Vegeta talk here cause he knew his points were valid.