Veilid - The Next Generation of Tor?

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DJ Ware

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Blackhat 31 was 3 weeks ago in Las Vegas, as always many new idea surfaced and major announcements for new software solutions.
Out of Cult of the Dead Cow comes Veilid, a Next Generation Privacy and Anti-Censorship Applications Framework based on Rust.
By request of a viewer, I am looking into this software stack, and here are the details I found, from their Blackhat presentation and from the documentation which is rapidly being churned out on their website.
AI Artwork: Long Horn Steer Skull in the West Texas plains (which is home to the CDC)
Links for this video:
Web: www.veilid.com
Twitter: ‪@veiledlandminecraftnetwork1886‬
Mastodon: ‪@veiledlandminecraftnetwork1886‬
Discord: veilid.com/discord
GitLab: gitlab.com/veilid
Chapters
00:00 - Start
01:52 - What's wrong with Tor?
05:06 - What is Veilid?
05:39 - Veilid Application Framework
06:40 - Encryption
09:53 - Storage
11:43 - Routing
14:55 - Summary
16:05 - How You Can Help
16:57 - Mu Thoughts
17:44 - Thank you!
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@katelynbowden1
@katelynbowden1 9 ай бұрын
As one of the creators of Veilid, I really enjoyed and appreciated this video!! You did a great job going over some of the features and tech we are using. One thing to add- IPFS and TOR are not user friendly, and neither is adopted by folks outside of tech. One thing we are reaching for with Veilid is to make it accessible for all users, whether or not they’re tech literate. Anyway, thank you again for covering Veilid, and I hope some of your folks join in to help us give privacy to EVERYONE :)
@rootcanal7188
@rootcanal7188 9 ай бұрын
@katelyn thank you for your good work. I heard that TOR has been cracked, so that's good that there are improvements being made.
@schwingedeshaehers
@schwingedeshaehers 9 ай бұрын
@@rootcanal7188 what source do you have for that claim?
@CyberGizmo
@CyberGizmo 9 ай бұрын
Hi kayelyn was nice of you to check out the video and I sure hope some of them get on board too, its a very worthwhile project!
@user-xl5kd6il6c
@user-xl5kd6il6c 9 ай бұрын
@@rootcanal7188 No it hasn't If you don't use exit nodes Tor is safer than it ever was, with more than 6000 servers and rising
@FainTMako
@FainTMako 9 ай бұрын
Dude, no one outside of tech is going to adopt Veilid either. You literally bring nothing new to the table. Ipfs and tor are user friendly if you dont work for or get paid by Veilid.
@eriksiers
@eriksiers 9 ай бұрын
It's amazing that cDc is still around. I haven't given them much thought since they released Back Orifice 2000.
@thechronic555
@thechronic555 9 ай бұрын
Ohhh bo2k! My first foray!
@how2pick4name
@how2pick4name 9 ай бұрын
Back then I worked at a small IT company where we basically did everything. One day I get the pc of a friend of the owner rich guy's kid who was a self proclaimed hacker. I check the pc and see a script kiddie so I installed BO and scared the shit out of him. 😂
@brad1367
@brad1367 8 ай бұрын
Holy cow that's why I remember that name so well!
@djosearth3618
@djosearth3618 8 ай бұрын
'Coincedently' I've been coming across them and seem to be reminded of the once only leet cult iirc.. cDc 3|=(:)[^]
@CyberGizmo
@CyberGizmo 9 ай бұрын
Correction: In this video I had a typo which carried through due to the magic of copy / paste it is not ISPF the Inter Planetary File System should be IPFS
@user-xl5kd6il6c
@user-xl5kd6il6c 9 ай бұрын
I didn't like how in almost 20 mins you didn't cover the main things about the protocol. There's Tor clones everywhere with different tradeoffs, so I see this one as nothing new. All nodes being the same and relaying traffic also is nothing new. Different incoming and outgoing routes is also not new. It not having a blockchain isn't particularly a pro, there has to be incentives to running long term nodes, and traffic isn't free. You didn't even cover how or if any nodes act as exit nodes or not. Because that is the main issue with all these networks. What do most of them do? they avoid having exit nodes and you can only consume content that is in the network, which usually means that the network is quite small and most users don't see a reason to use it 12:12 This is false, you can easily pick nodes you want to use. Specifying an exit node by IP or by country is very usual and trivial to do. Seeing this level of mistake kinda makes me wonder about the information given in the rest of the video
@FainTMako
@FainTMako 9 ай бұрын
Umm, copy paste? You literally said ISPF with the same amount of confidence and conviction as all the other terms you used in the video. The fact that you tried to make a comparison to this technology is dishonest at best. You clearly aren't qualified to be speaking on these things right now. Why do it?
@michaelz8260
@michaelz8260 9 ай бұрын
If you show text, please don't do the slow zoom in animation, it makes some people very nauseous.
@MikeTrieu
@MikeTrieu 8 ай бұрын
​@@michaelz8260Oh, man, you must really hate Ken Burns documentaries, then 😂
@jickjackyou
@jickjackyou 9 ай бұрын
While Tor can be "slow" it doesn't sound like you fully understand how Tor works. Tor does take care of routing automatically in it's 'default' mode, but you can pick the entry node. That's what bridges are for. It gets you around the problem of networks and even countries censoring Tor by blocking public nodes.
@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360
@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360 9 ай бұрын
With control port access, every node of tunnel can be customized.
@user-xl5kd6il6c
@user-xl5kd6il6c 9 ай бұрын
There's nothing suggesting that this network would be faster either. Specially when using random users for exchanges instead of servers The image in the video regarding routing also has too many nodes, Tor uses less and should be faster. I'm starting to wonder if this was a sponsored video. The more I look at it the more red flags I find
@brianchandler3346
@brianchandler3346 9 ай бұрын
Go cDc! Man, talk about a nostalgic surprise this morning over coffee. Seeing them still around and at it makes me smile from ear to ear. Best memories of my childhood (BBS years). 🤓🖥️📞🐄🛸👾😆
@CyberGizmo
@CyberGizmo 9 ай бұрын
Ahh yes, the days of BBS, 300 baud modems and computer shops where you could visit with other computer hobbyists, swap stories and learn from each other...and of course reading the latests from the cDc.
@MrCobalt
@MrCobalt 9 ай бұрын
I was shocked to see they're still around. I would have thought, like l0pht and others (although l0pht shared members with cDc if I recall) they'd have disbanded by now and all moved on along their own career paths. Pretty cool seeing them still active to some degree! This year's DEFCON had a really decent lineup of presentations.
@paulforester6996
@paulforester6996 8 ай бұрын
The first time I heard of cDc was in high school in the 1980's. I just wish I had a computer at the time to learn more about them. Looked up things later. I wish those people well.
@lemagreengreen
@lemagreengreen 8 ай бұрын
Tor seems very fast these days which is a warning sign in itself, it's broken if there's significant resources being provided to it.
@Chris-op7yt
@Chris-op7yt 9 ай бұрын
it's not the protocols that's the problem; it's that the internet became owned by a handful of companies. users flocked to these mega social networks. it's pointless having extra privacy/encryption, when you willingly sign up to services, telling them which devices can be used for the services.
@sobored776
@sobored776 9 ай бұрын
Bridges and normal nodes (non-exit nodes) work exactly the same (protocol and implementation). So you can set every Tor node as your guard ("entrance", this isn't a seperate kind of node like you say at 11:55) by manually setting it as bridge in the connection settings. The difference is that bridges don't get listed publicly so they can't be censored on mass scale by e.g. foreign governments. I assume you sould only do that with nodes who have the guard flag so others use them as guard, too. That can be checked on Tor Metrics. So check some trusted privacy organizations or local hacker communities if they run a Tor node and if they got the guard flag and add them as bridge(s). Or even run your own!
@ehrichweiss
@ehrichweiss 8 ай бұрын
I followed CDC in their early days and have really been impressed with how far they've come all these years.
@blaiseutube
@blaiseutube 9 ай бұрын
I'm a big fan of self hosting and I will look into veilid, thank you!
@Sulayman.786
@Sulayman.786 8 ай бұрын
Awesome, thanks for talking about this
@AlanDampog
@AlanDampog 8 ай бұрын
very interesting! checking out Veilid.... thanks for the video, subscribed.
@NeuroScientician
@NeuroScientician 9 ай бұрын
the shrinking packet size closer it gets to target might be an issue, allows attackers to estimate how many hops are from the target.
@CyberGizmo
@CyberGizmo 9 ай бұрын
Thanks Neuro, Tor has that same issue as well since it works essentially the same way
@Rukkus333
@Rukkus333 9 ай бұрын
It seems obvious, because I don't know what I'm talking about, but would it be possible to somehow pad the packets? Is there a way to add data to the headers that will be ignored down the line?
@chrsm
@chrsm 9 ай бұрын
@@Rukkus333 I'm no programmer either, but I have heard that bad actors are using Golang to basically wrap/pad out old malware, etc so that it is disguised from virus and malware scanners - was on some cyber sec podcast. Surely there's some way to make this happen so that packet sizes are similar or padded to the same size to hide how close to target they are. Maybe the routers that the Subutai project was creating could be used for this instead of the crypto-shit they were going to be doing?
@NeuroScientician
@NeuroScientician 9 ай бұрын
@@Rukkus333 That's what I was thinking, pad them with random stuff to random sizes and create few decoy ones and send them to random IPs. Monero does something like this with transactions. I mean, if you want to upgrade Tor, lets do it properly.
@__Brandon__
@__Brandon__ 9 ай бұрын
Tor pads the messages
@johnlinley2702
@johnlinley2702 9 ай бұрын
Interesting review. I had no idea this development was underway. Thanks for the good review.
@jakemeyer8188
@jakemeyer8188 9 ай бұрын
Man...I haven't followed the cDc since the mid 90's. I'm getting a nostalgia wave just hearing the name again.
@jakemeyer8188
@jakemeyer8188 8 ай бұрын
@Astro-J Hahaha point very well taken. Instead of saving though, maybe convince your employer to purchase one for you for a project, no strings attached 😉
@guilherme5094
@guilherme5094 9 ай бұрын
It looks quite promising!
@yash1152
@yash1152 8 ай бұрын
1:14 thats nice way of thinkong about app development.
@jsalsman
@jsalsman 9 ай бұрын
Cautiously hopeful! One question is will it work from China without an identifiable (commercial) VPN?
@LabworksVapes
@LabworksVapes 9 ай бұрын
Now I am intrigued - Thank you for the heads up Don
@yash1152
@yash1152 8 ай бұрын
2:57 u love that ambient like zoom effect @@
@robonator2945
@robonator2945 9 ай бұрын
in a similar vein Lokinet is something that I've seen talked about a touch but it's not really gotten any coverage.
@jayd8935
@jayd8935 8 ай бұрын
The ability of the B side to pick the entire return route seems unusual.
@stupidburp
@stupidburp 9 ай бұрын
This is an important project for political dissidents in authoritarian countries. The PRC in particular has been aggressively attacking TOR and other modes of private communications using various methods.
@jeffbrownstain
@jeffbrownstain 8 ай бұрын
How does this help? Genuinely. It doesn't even exist yet. Wouldn't strengthening existing systems or dismantling oppresive regimes serve better, more useful longterm goals?
@ihatesignupsgrrrrrrr
@ihatesignupsgrrrrrrr 8 ай бұрын
@@jeffbrownstain "dismantling oppresive regimes serve better..." I'd think it is far easier to develop an upgrade to TOR than to change the oppressive regimes! Plus, another tool to fight/counter such regimes.
@davidjohnston4240
@davidjohnston4240 9 ай бұрын
Ed25519 is "Edwards Curve" based on "elliptic curve".
@DF-ss5ep
@DF-ss5ep 9 ай бұрын
Ive been thinking about running a tor node. Does it also make sense to run a veilid node?
@TheAces1979
@TheAces1979 9 ай бұрын
Thanks so much!!!
@CyberGizmo
@CyberGizmo 9 ай бұрын
thanks for the tip. Jared
@TheAces1979
@TheAces1979 9 ай бұрын
@@CyberGizmo Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts on this. I feel much more confident after watching your analysis. As a general rule, I don't get excited about any new project until it's got the "DJ Stamp of Approval!" 🫡
@sotecluxan4221
@sotecluxan4221 9 ай бұрын
Tor and Veilid-coming directly from the regime??
@camaradamanuel5025
@camaradamanuel5025 9 ай бұрын
Indeed.
@demidrol5660
@demidrol5660 8 ай бұрын
God bless these people
@blaiseutube
@blaiseutube 9 ай бұрын
I have a lot of spare compute in my homelab. I would love to help
@sigreer83
@sigreer83 8 ай бұрын
What about the other typo - "Why do we need is Veilid?" 😀
@wlewisiii
@wlewisiii 9 ай бұрын
Rolls eyes.
@tmendoza6
@tmendoza6 9 ай бұрын
DJ do you have any thoughts on distrobox?
@CyberGizmo
@CyberGizmo 9 ай бұрын
Hi @temendoza6 adds that to the list of videos too thanks for the suggestion!
@lestermofp
@lestermofp 9 ай бұрын
@@CyberGizmo Reticulum network, Qortal network
@Morpheus0x2a
@Morpheus0x2a 8 ай бұрын
The twitter and mastodon veilid links in the description are wrong
@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360
@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360 9 ай бұрын
3:27 "you don't get any choice": first of all, it is possible to select nodes with API access. second - what's the difference to Veilid? do they force user to manually select nodes? if not, then your comparison is plainly wrong. Further description of how tunnel is created in two parts do not make things any clearer - for Tor exactly the same happens - search for rendezvous point. As for storage, things are not clear either. Tor (and I2P) do not store user data - they just transmit it. So what exactly Veilid stores?
@user-xl5kd6il6c
@user-xl5kd6il6c 9 ай бұрын
I had the same questions was this a sponsored video? because if not, I don't get the intent of all this false information
@conceptrat
@conceptrat 8 ай бұрын
If you add this to Solid by Sir Tim and PIR, for queries without revealing the data behind it, it could be a winner.
@Xpurple
@Xpurple 9 ай бұрын
What do you think of I2P?
@CitizenExpanse
@CitizenExpanse 9 ай бұрын
This is potentially big news for people of the global village and humanity in general!
@sebastianibanez7219
@sebastianibanez7219 9 ай бұрын
Is that a Dr Manhattan shirt? Nice
@CyberGizmo
@CyberGizmo 9 ай бұрын
yes it is props for knowing about it!
@onhazrat
@onhazrat 9 ай бұрын
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:26 🌐 Veilid, developed by the cult of the dead cow, aims to replace both Tor and ipfs, focusing on privacy and communication for defending human and civil rights. 01:34 💡 Veilid wants to change the way applications are built by emphasizing privacy and discouraging monetization of user data. 02:29 🌐 Tor has bandwidth limitations and lacks user control over node connections, while ipfs faces challenges with slow gateway access and hosting costs. 05:08 📱 Veilid is an open-source peer-to-peer application framework, not a standalone application, offering a new way to develop distributed apps without blockchain. 06:32 🔒 Veilid focuses on encryption, using various cryptographic methods for authentication, key exchange, encryption, and more. 09:22 🔄 Veilid acknowledges the importance of upgrading encryption standards as technology evolves, with plans to incrementally improve its cryptographic layers. 11:05 🌐 Veilid operates as a peer-to-peer system, eliminating the need for traditional cloud servers and giving users control over their data. 15:05 🌐 Veilid offers IP privacy, making user locations untraceable and data collection impossible. 17:49 🚀 Veilid is still in early development, and its success depends on community involvement, including developers, testers, and users. They are actively seeking help and contributions. Made with HARPA AI
@djosearth3618
@djosearth3618 8 ай бұрын
can any human confirm that this summary is legitimate because if it's accurate it looks like a half rough draft of the intro for the documentation :)
@scottdrake5159
@scottdrake5159 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for this.
@elhnston6589
@elhnston6589 8 ай бұрын
elliptic curve encryption, what that not "backdoored" ?
@vjb-digitalartist9655
@vjb-digitalartist9655 9 ай бұрын
How is this different or better than Holochain?
@CtrlWQ
@CtrlWQ 9 ай бұрын
cDc & Mudge. ❤
@rvgeerligs
@rvgeerligs 7 ай бұрын
I started trying to implement this on apple macbook, but I have to install Android studio and android NDK. This makes me suspicious allready. Was going to implement it on Android as well but I remain suspicous..
@NetBandit70
@NetBandit70 9 ай бұрын
How does this compare to I2P
@CyberGizmo
@CyberGizmo 9 ай бұрын
Hi @NetBandit70 sounds like I need to make a video making those comparisons, I will do so once Veilid progresses a bit. Adds to the list
@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360
@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360 9 ай бұрын
Looks like some differences in handling of storage ("IPFS" part). As for "Tor without exit nodes" - it is just plainly I2P.
@NetBandit70
@NetBandit70 9 ай бұрын
@@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360 one privacy network to rule them all and in the darknet bind them
@alihassanjatt8898
@alihassanjatt8898 9 ай бұрын
What do you think about lokinet do you think in future ndn going to be a thing or they are just wasting their time
@CyberGizmo
@CyberGizmo 9 ай бұрын
I think the more the merrier, in this case choice is never a waste of time, new ideas which prove to be good ones over time get adopted into older projects as well which benefits us all, I take the stance of wait and see, security software takes time to simmer before we know the answers, best never to rush to conclusions on any of it.
@francisgrenier-savard3891
@francisgrenier-savard3891 6 ай бұрын
What about Lokinet ?
@davidunderwood9037
@davidunderwood9037 9 ай бұрын
I have read of IPFS but never ISPF. Is this a new thing?
@CaleMcCollough
@CaleMcCollough 9 ай бұрын
Bro, you are using the WRONG mic! You need to talk right up into that SM7b. You need to get a video mic or a pencil mic, which has a small diaphragm on it. Power dissipates cubic so the closer the mic is to your mouth the larger you want the diaphragm. AT that distance, you REALLY want to use a mic like a Movo VXR10 (which is 3.5mm and I recommend USB Sound Blaster G3, or Apple and gaming laptops have good 3.5mm preamps), or an Audio-Technica AT2021 is going to work well. The cheap pencil mics will even sound better. The G3 has auto gain so I recommend that and the VXR10 to everyone.
@seanfaherty
@seanfaherty 8 ай бұрын
Nobody talks about the speed ?
@NoNameT2T4
@NoNameT2T4 8 ай бұрын
“How often do you think about the Cult of the Dead Cow” is the IT community’s version of “How often do you think about the Roman Empire”.
@djosearth3618
@djosearth3618 8 ай бұрын
"@Congress_RE_90sInternetStability: _/me_ *1 guy, with the [right] crafted packet!.."* Just had to get that outta my head, sorry). Anyway, still better then being correlated into that fact of ~n qty per sesssion someone/thing is compared to Hitler!
@JVimes
@JVimes 8 ай бұрын
What's their full Mastodon username?
@YeloPartyHat
@YeloPartyHat 8 ай бұрын
Do you mean IPFS instead of ISPF?
@shift-happens
@shift-happens 9 ай бұрын
IPFS vs. ISPF ?
@Ms.Robot.
@Ms.Robot. 9 ай бұрын
I think it is pronounced Vaylid (as in veiled). 😊❤️
@mercster
@mercster 9 ай бұрын
Ridiculous. Thanks for the video.
@tigerscott2966
@tigerscott2966 8 ай бұрын
It's a new world 🌎 now... People have to get away from depending on technology created by big tech.... Linux is free... Time to hit the books, become proactive and run your own networks....thanks.
@aquahood
@aquahood 9 ай бұрын
Exit Nodes - blow it as the NSA and CIA are listening in....
@Dyson_Gday_Nice_to_Meet_You
@Dyson_Gday_Nice_to_Meet_You 8 ай бұрын
Didn’t Pied Piper already try this?
@gregatcheson3793
@gregatcheson3793 8 ай бұрын
This is a trap.
@ukyoize
@ukyoize 9 ай бұрын
IPFS seems like reinvention of bittorent.
@user-xl5kd6il6c
@user-xl5kd6il6c 9 ай бұрын
IPFS is basically bittorrent for files, with the added advantage of URL-like format which allows for websites and direct linking to content more easily. But in the end of the day, it's exactly like BitTorrent in the way it works
@pepeshopping
@pepeshopping 9 ай бұрын
What makes you believe this could be faster than Tor? After all, you need nodes and bandwidth and software CANNOT create that!
@pon1
@pon1 9 ай бұрын
I think he said that Tor was artificially limited because the users sacrificed some of their bandwidth, maybe today that limit isn't needed as much because we have faster internet. I don't know but that's what I got from it.
@CyberGizmo
@CyberGizmo 9 ай бұрын
Correct
@djosearth3618
@djosearth3618 8 ай бұрын
Isn't bandwidth, software -+ a To stamp & swaddled+softboiled into tubes? I'da swore s/w & b/w factored together somehow ;]
@ACELORETEST
@ACELORETEST 8 ай бұрын
This cult of the dead cow thing sound like a CIA gig if i ever heard one
@aquahood
@aquahood 9 ай бұрын
Confrimed
@ciddoctor6993
@ciddoctor6993 8 ай бұрын
Isnt cdc politically associated with beto and Biden?
@freedom_aint_free
@freedom_aint_free 9 ай бұрын
They should have led the project 'Satoshi's way': no faces on the public.
@sectionsixty4020
@sectionsixty4020 9 ай бұрын
Lest problems of money, property, and preestige divert us from our primary purpose
@Vitaliuz
@Vitaliuz 8 ай бұрын
Betamax.
@rootcanal7188
@rootcanal7188 9 ай бұрын
I hear that the original version of Tor has been cracked. If that is correct, a next generation is very important.
@CyberGizmo
@CyberGizmo 9 ай бұрын
I hope not, and yes you are right a next generation is always important in security and privacy in continuously improve
@sotecluxan4221
@sotecluxan4221 9 ай бұрын
Just hearsay or gotta evidence? BTW-never trust "privacy software", there is no free lunch!
@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360
@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360 9 ай бұрын
Tor is fine. It just can be used in a wrong way - like logging into accounts tied to real name.
@rootcanal7188
@rootcanal7188 9 ай бұрын
@@sdjhgfkshfswdfhskljh3360 Thank you
@LostInTheRush
@LostInTheRush 9 ай бұрын
You should probably verify that kind of information before going around spreading it.
@CalebFenton
@CalebFenton 9 ай бұрын
If they’re not using proof of work, lightning, Bitcoin, etc then it doesn’t have proper incentives and is doomed to fail. Tor even uses PoW now. i2p is a good alternative
@notmyrealname977
@notmyrealname977 9 ай бұрын
are you trolling
@stupidburp
@stupidburp 9 ай бұрын
At least use Monero instead of Bitcoin for funding nodes on an anonymity focused network.
@BotchedGod
@BotchedGod 9 ай бұрын
Using RBG quotes gives me entirely zero confidence about the platform
@user-or1mb8de4d
@user-or1mb8de4d 9 ай бұрын
@@Astro-J You don't know their political leanings. They could be a liberal, a democrat, anarchist etc. and I agree with them. Using establishment quotes of political figures spells out a specific underlying and obviously inherited danger to the platform.
@1337bitcoin
@1337bitcoin 8 ай бұрын
He means IPFS, right?
@FainTMako
@FainTMako 9 ай бұрын
There is a 0% chance that this software is better for the user in any way. The technical details are laughable. The protocol is weak. No description of how security is established or maintained. Its just a kids dream being carried by a paid for promotion by a very unknown influencer.
@drstewart
@drstewart 9 ай бұрын
Could you cite specific issues?
@FainTMako
@FainTMako 8 ай бұрын
I just cited the specific issues. Can anyone explain at high level what the veilid network does to bring any sort of security posture to the table?@@drstewart This isnt court, the burden of evidence is not on me because I took the time to make a point on a youtube comment. If you want to look into it yourself then I've given you plenty of info. If you are trying to be weird and passive aggressive call me out asking for specifics, you're lazy. If you are going that route then you owe me some specifics on where im wrong.
@drstewart
@drstewart 8 ай бұрын
@@FainTMako "I just cited the specific issues." No, you gave generalities. You offered opinion. "This isnt court, the burden of evidence is not on me because I took the time to make a point on a youtube comment." Court or not, if you make an argument, it is reasonable to offer something, or anything at all as far as specifics, to support that argument. Particularly when asked directly, as I did. "If you are trying to be weird and passive aggressive call me out asking for specifics, you're lazy." If you think that asking for specifics when spurious or unsubstantiated claims are made is a problem, you may not understand how communication works. Asking for substance when a claim is made isn't passive aggressive and really, it's not even a call out. I'm sorry that the online world has hurt you I suppose, but that's not how that works at all. "If you are going that route then you owe me some specifics on where im wrong." That's just it, no one can evaluate whether you're wrong or right because you haven't criticized a specific component nor given anything approaching a cogent argument that can be examined. You're going for the "Trust me bro" stance here. The whole point of me asking for specific issues *since you said that issues exist* was to know what those issues are according to you and see if indeed they are a problem. You brought it up, so you can back up your claims. "The technical details are laughable" is not a specific problem but your impression of whatever you want to think of as technical details. "The protocol is weak" doesn't point to any particular weakness but at least approaches an area that can be looked at and maybe possibly concur with your opinion. Apparently it uses Ed25519, x25519, XChaCha20-Poly1305, BLAKE3 and Argon2. Are all of those weak? Is one weak? Is implementation a problem somehow? Offering substantiating detail to an argument is a rather low bar to clear. I don't know why you have such a problem with being asked for clarity or to offer anything specific when making an assertion. What I've asked is reasonable. Your response is not.
@MsDuketown
@MsDuketown 7 ай бұрын
you miss-out on the magnet-links. They have 20+ years history. I always like ed2k-links, for the kademlia decentralized network, accessible with the emule client. aka libtorrent-raster versus libtorrent-qt. There are so many protocols. At the base, I always liked IRC/Freenode.
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