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Hatuun: Take the others and go, Prophet. We will buy you time. Also Hatuun: You left us behind!

So orcs with a different skin hue, big humans and gnomes with prostethics are standalone races, but demons with tens of thousands years worth of Fel mutations are a cosmetic option for the draenei. Okay.

It’s very interesting to see how the choices and circumstances have effected all the different Eradar. Those who embraced the Fel: Man’ari Those who chose to Flee: Draenai Those who became Fallen: Krokul And those who kept Fighting: Lightforged

"Hatuun, please think of my offer" I see they are hinting the broken joining the Draenei too, probably as customizing options as well.

These interactions feel so dumb. Hatuun, the guy who said to leave the planet while he bought time, accusing Velen of abandoning him and his planet. And Velen left so many of his people behind that, only two choices remained for them. Turn to service or hide like Hatuun. When they did so, Velen bashes them for doing so while he was one of leaders.

Luckily for everyone the Lightforged Army is VERY accepting of other cultures and religious practices and wouldn't at all submit entire planets to genocidal cleansings. Nor do they have a long and bitter history of endless war against the agents of the Burning Legion who have now been granted sweeping amnesty by Velen after a five minute sales pitch. A+ writing /s

They really need to build on this. This isn't a case of just "here's some brown skin orcs from that timeline we went to" or "here's some demon hunters who were imprisoned but now stand with us against the legion". The man'ari were literal demons who stood with the legion for thousands of years, two of the legions leaders in the absence of sargeras were eredar, so they score high in terms of placement in the legions ranks. You can't have something like death Knights being an issue joining the horde and alliance and yet gloss over this like it's nothing.

and this is how the Legion planted their agents near Velen masterfully.

This makes me look more and more forward to the Draenei heritage armor. I can see it now. For the Draenei it would be confronting their past, and embracing their fallen to return to them to help build their future. Meanwhile the Trolls must all come together to unite under a new Loa.

I like the playable Eredar but this feels like a bad roleplaying session I'd have with random people in the Cathedral District...

Ah yes For milennia, Arzaal fought for the legion, but now that the legion is defeated and the 2 biggest Eredar lords have fallen, now he sees the error in his ways... And the wise wise Velen accepts their aid after a 5 minute pep talk. Premium writing

While I enjoy the Man'ari skin options for Draenei, I think they would have been much cooler as an Allied Race.

This may be giving the writing too much credit, but I like to think that Velen was open to the idea of redeemable Man'ari because he was thinking about Rakeesh, and what he might have done had Rakeesh been the one to come and ask for a chance.

What about the Broken Draenei? They've been around and helping us since TBC.

If only the questline was voice acted.

The Burning Legion committed omnicide on at least a thousand worlds. But one man'ari gives Velen a single piece of a holy crystal, and all is forgiven.

Do you know what would be hilarious. The void truly comes to unmake reality and Sargarus turns out to be right all along and now it's too late.

What do the people think of this short quest line? It feels kinda crazy to be like “ok I believe you join us” but they are some ancient aliens beyond mere mortal understanding

What players want: playable Broken or even Lost Ones harkening back to Warcraft 3. What players get: here is one allied race that's got some bling, and here's a palette swap.

Velen is such a great character. He fits very well into the narrative with death and decay and threats, with his kidness, forgiveness and wisdom as a hard counter, without being... ugh. All who wanders, is not lost.

If I was gonna write this, I'd make it way simpler. All the old demon dudes are dead. No one to forgive. But over tens of thousands of years, there have been loads of new Eredar being born, right? Could have just had 'our' Eredar being the younger generation that was just born into it and didn't have trillions of lives on their hands. Instead of being 30k year old monsters lol. Btw, not just lives, but souls as well. The Legion doesn't just kill people, they use their souls as fuel afterwards lmao.

7:50 So Hatuun literally encouraged Velen to leave them behind... Why was he so mad to him again ?

So are we ever gonna get Broken sub race playable

I like that they added the man'ari. This is a nice, much needed shot of drama in the alliance's arm.

I feel like they are probably going to be the key for future events. The Legions while they are evil, but they are also probably the one with most knowledge about Void Lords...... It is likely we will one way or another to work together in aim to prevent Void Lords to get whatever they want.

Sadly we never got krokuls as a playable option.

How do you get this questline? I didn't get it on my draenei, maybe because its lightforged?

This was a TOTALLY missed opportunity to make the Man'ari an Allied Race for the Alliance.

Comparing the Man'ari to the Death Knights or the Illidari is the stupidest thing I've ever seen, they're NOTHING alike Death Knight were risen and enslaved by the Lich King, and the Illidari used the Legion's powers against it The Man'ari are literally demon lmao

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what music is it from around 3.00 onwards?

I hate the way you edit the cinematic and cut scenes.. Chronologically the middle is the end, and in the end, you put an old cut scene. This is why i am not subscribed. Is a mess

You might want to change this thumbnail as it's a bit misleading. . We got a set of eye colors, and 2 skin colors (red & darker red) for the existing Draenei. I just can't fathom how Blizzard would just skip on such a great customization idea other than they are wanting to refine it to bring it up to a certain level of quality.

Wee need Broken/Krookul apperance/allied race as well. Blizzard please!

Hattun was so daddy especially as a overdosed draenei

so he didn't abandon them like they accused him of.

Is Hatuun voiced by Scott McNeil? It sounds a lot like him but maybe not.

Did this questline happen in Legion or was it added recently?

Damn... is it just me, or did that final voiced clip do the Draenei and their history dirty? I'd expected a much larger, better and more emotional rendition of the start of their exile.

Now we just need a Broken Draenei Face Texture then all will be right

We still do not have the Broken as an option. Even after they were introduced during the Burning Crusade.

What' ost it is at 2:40 ? :o

And there goes my hope of the Eredar joining the Horde as an allied race. A people adrift and without purpose after their master's defeat. Seeking a place for themselves in the world, in the universe. Unable and/or unwilling to rejoin with their kin in the Alliance, after being separated from them for many millennia (even longer from their perspective). Perhaps seeking allies of convenience for their own ends. And ultimately finding a place, even a home among the disparate, but united groups that make up the Horde. Like others before them. Forsaken, and the Blood Elves. Even the Nightborne, who found camaraderie with the Blood Elves that was not offered by the Night Elves. Velen may be willing to accept the defecting Eredar in their remorse. But would the rest of the Draenei be as welcoming? Velen could have been the bridge that brought the Eredar to the Horde, like how Caelia and Derek were brought to the Forsaken. Along with the undead Night Elves, risen during BFA. Oh ya, and the Broken we left behind on Argus. I'd almost forgotten about them after so long. They could have become an allied race for the Alliance.

Allied race or customization options?

Again, wish they'd put it in the game, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Man'ari are allowed to walk free on a VERY short leash. What the Legion did and has done cannot be undone, and the consequences of that should not be tossed aside. Velen is trying to show mercy and compassion, but I'm sure he's worried he's being taken for a ride here. It wouldn't be the first time.

I still think the Broken should of been the Allied Race Instead of Lightforged. While we now have Warlocks for every Race. Back in the day It would of been perfect for us to have Broken Warlocks and Rouges

well in a way Sargeras was right in his own twisted titan path to clensing the universe of corruption of the void he stray'd from the path and went on a mass genocide spree and honestly who can blame him i mean the corruption of the Old Gods on Azeroth was present and as he stated that if a slumbering Titan infused with the voids Corruption would mean the end of all of them he dident do it because he was mad he did it out of fear of another Slumbering titan (Azeroth) doesnt overthrow the original titans as for the Eredar ... they needed powerful commanders for the legion because the demons ... that were under his control were dumb as dirt so he saw potential in the Draenei and offered them power it made them blind to his deceptions in the final chapter of Kill'Jaden raid he expressed his disgust with Sargeras plan not coming to fruition and in a way allowed himself to be defeated to ultimately see Sargeras fail he said at the end if only i had you're vision ...maybe things would have turned out diferently ....but in a way he got his peace knowing Sargeras would be defeated ...also see people in the comment section throwing words left and right like ... this and that but they dont know the full lore about the Eredar (i mean the Alliance accepted blood elfs into they're fold as Void elves and you cant accept Eredar ?)

Legion classic when?

Not only do I hate Sargeras because of his treachery, but I also hate it when he mentions the Void because it rings "Void Lords" and I hate the Void Lords just as I hate both Sargeras and the Old Gods.

So where Illidan what happend to him

Oh, and if only we got the felpoxed skins, that would have been sweet, but nooooo just like the dracthyr they sidestep what we actually want

Man i mis legion soo bad

WHAT?!

I feel like the dreani, man'ari, and kru'ni have a chance at mending some bad blood. But adding light forged to the mix is having the dramatic one to the family reunion. They would have nothing but a supremist attitude and think everyone else is past redemption. "by holy fire be purged!"

But nobody bats an eye at warlocks being tolerated...

Argh legion so much more story told in game. Dragon flight is doing okay but I still feel it needs more.

Blizzard will do literally everything in their power to NOT give their players the Fallen Draenei as a race.

When is the writing team going to get fired, holy fuck there's hard anything left for them to shit on.

Should have joined the Horde

This is such bad writing, eredar never should of been a thing for customisation. They hunted the Draenei for tens of thousands of years across the stars and destroying everything in their path and all of a sudden Velen is good with them now because one red boy basically says " I didn't have a choice bro, now I do and I want to be good " that shit is like a soldier saying " Oh , well, I didn't mean to commit war crimes I was ordered to! " the soldier is still held accountable for their actions and punished accordingly there was nothing stopping these eredar from running away when sent on missions it's not like all of them were chilling on Argus living their best lives.

Ok, now give us Felblood Blood Elves (Not San'Layn, they are distinct enough to be a New Race or Allied Race.), Fel Orcs (Some are already in the Horde.), Feltotem (Some of the Bloodtotem did not side with the Legion, maybe they could persuade them.), Felbourne (If everyone else is getting their Fel Counterparts, might as well throw them in. While we are at it, throw in Dark Rangers, easily explained as Sylvanas yoinking some of the bodies of either side during BFA.), And whoever else I might be forgetting.

He didn't even recruited them. No official decree, no NPCs wandering around. Demons are still killable in public, there is just small group of these who wants to do better and have contact on Velen. So no "Alliance drama". No demon have joined the Alliance. What gameplay allows wouldn't always pass in lore. This is just purely for flavour and Twitter upvotes. Also while I like saying that they are irredeemable, Kl'jaeden could sense doubt in his underlings and eliminate them. So the questline is a bit crap. Saying it as RPer who wants to RP this concept. We might see more in heritage. Not sure if I want to.

what about talgath looks like talgath is dead and he will never rejoin velen against the legion.

Skin available Also for lightforged drenai ?

The quest... for unlock, was pretty bad in comparison to like the Dark Ranger or the Night Warrior customisation...

So leader of this friendly man'ari has fel cracks but blizzard didn't give it to the players. What a joke)

How the fck they gonna use the Gift of Naaru LOL??? Or any Light magic of any kind.

They're destroying every aspect of the lore, it's unbelievable. Warlocks who serve the horde/alliance are already shunned because of their practices, even when they're siding with the good guys. Death knights had a hard time being accepted into either faction because of the atrocities they committed, even when they were mind-controlled. Demon hunters were imprisoned because they were seen as traitors for using the fel, even though they used it against the Legion. Hell, even mages were forbidden in the night elf culture for a long time for fear of what they could do with magic. And then, now, in a single conversation, all that the man'ari did is forgiven. Demons who tortured and slaughtered countless lives. The man'ari are DEMONS. Demon hunters are not demons and, if you read "Illidan", you'll know that their tattoos are made so that they can resist the influence of the demon they absorb when they become demon hunters, and soak fel magic. It takes a tremendous effort to do that. Some of the elves who try to become demon hunters get mad and kill themselves, or lose control and must be put down. And now Blizzard is telling us that a DEMON ITSELF will be able to control itself to live with others with honor? Give me a f***ing break. The man'ari are pure fel and lose their minds the moment they accept the legion's "gift". Remember the red orcs in TBC? It's the same thing. They became mindless monsters. Who in their minds would allow literal demons to join their ranks, demons who have CONSCIOUSLY (different from DK) tortured and murdered countless innocents? That's not poor, that's crap, lazy, disgusting writing. In the Blizzard golden era they'd write the story well which would naturally lead to new races joining the alliance and horde. Think about the Draenei themselves and the Blood Elves. Now it's the opposite: they crap on the story because they want to introduce a new race and don't know how, so they do whatever and then forcefully stick in the story. Well, you can't expect much after they made Arthas become a fart. This is dumb writing at its peak. Think about the most hated and dangerous creatures in the universe. I'd say demons and creatures of the void are some of the highest on the list. They're not dangerous just because of their immense power, they're dangerous because there was no talk with them, their sole purpose has always been to destroy and corrupt every form of life. Period. It has been like that since the birth of the Twisting Nether. And then you're telling me now that all is forgiven and that we can trust literal demons because ONE of them showed regret (which could very well be fake)? Imagine aliens come down to Earth and they torture, enslave, and murder people for generations. And that's not because they didn't understand human race or anything, it's because they're inherently evil. It's their nature. It's not something that can't be changed. And then suddenly one of them comes to the world leaders and say "gee guys I screwed up sorry let us be part of your world", and the world leaders would accept? And the people would be ok with it? Of course not. Trees can't stop being plants. It's in their nature. Demons can't be good. It's their nature, it has always been like that for the entirety of Warcraft lore. As I mentioned, all who deal with the fel have to be extremely careful and strong-willed so that the fel doesn't consume them - and there has been a fair share of accidents. Sure, there are exceptions here and there, but very rare and few. Lothraxion, for example, had to be lightforged to abandon his nature. But that's not something done lightly, or likely to happen - he's really an exception to the rule. He's the only known dreadlord that was brainwashed to join the Light (as far as I know, but even if he's not the only one, he's certainly one of very few ones). Then man'ari feel guilty and just decide to change? F*** off. And why would Velen decide to side with them? He literally spent his life fleeing and fighting them. It took him a long time to trust Illidan who was actually on the right side, and now he blindly trusts a man'ari just because he returned something that was his? I consider the Warcraft lore to have ended on Legion. A fit and good ending to it - Sargeras and the Legion are finally defeated and everybody can pack their stuff and go home. Every expansion after that was 99% shitting on the story. I'd really be happy if they just announced WoW 2 and started it from the point Legion ended (I know it's impossible, but).

Didn’t Velen and kiljaedn sleep together lore wise? That’s why he cries for kiljaeden after. Canon is Velen is gay even though it’s not openly said

They use the Illidari and Death Knights as examples, but even Arthas and the might of the Undead Scourge at it's peak, pales in comparison to the atrocities of the Burning Legion. This is some weak ass reasoning.

please change the thumbnail... it's making me act up!!!

Bli² believe that inventing new things is the only way to keep wow's universe fresh and exciting so they don't really exploit what their universe has laid down already. We end up with a gigantic idiotic mess that has no taste at all.

Lol, there is no way this makes any sense lore-wise.

This makes zero sense lmao

Blizzard can't even spell. Truly, the old wow team is gone forever.

This is terrible, why would any Man'ari have regret for what they have done? Even if they truly did, why would we recruit them to the Alliance? This is like if we skipped the Nuremberg Trials and said "oh its okay, its your leader's fault not yours".

This is the start of the death of velen, trust me.

Velen and the Draenei are awesome characters/race/ story but this is dumb. Should of recruited the broken and made Draenei Demon Hunters instead, smh.

Lore in toilet paper. HAVE MERCY 🤡🤡🤡🤡

Such bad writing >.< "I cannot undo my crimes but I will give all I have to try." Let me fix that: "It's impossible for me to repent for my crimes. Instead, I'll do all that I can to atone for them." There, objectively better and carry the honest sentiment much more strongly.

WoW lore is dead to me.

This just looks stupid and badly written. Not every customization for characters in game need to be justified to lorewise fit you being alliance or horde... They could have just said- here's some cool eredar skins in case you want to look like a bad guy or roleplay something evil. Not all mogs make sense, so why should charater appearances?

I'm really trying my best to keep on being a warcraft stan, but this story is stupid in every single way. Really now, the demon eradar who willingly embraced the legion, and who have spent thousands of years gobbling up entire worlds worth of souls in their use of fel magic, including those of their uncorrupted kin, are suddenly having a change of heart because "Halp! I was scawed >w

So instead of giving players what they want, being the broken as an allied race, instead we get red dranaei, yep Blizz is out of touch.

Hey Alliance! You've got Dark Rangers and Man'ari among you, deal with it! You don't get to say it's non-canon until you get some bullshit "decree". You don't get to pick and choose just because you think it stains your 'good guy' image. ...You're not the good guys, by the way. Neither are we, but at least we don't think we are. Blizz decides what's canon and what isn't, not some fat nerd who thinks nothing's official without a "decree".