Vercel Gave Up On Edge

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Ай бұрын

Vercel is no longer recommending shipping your Next apps to edge, and they are no longer doing it themselves.
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@AbstruseJoker Ай бұрын

Theo pushed for edge so hard. Remember this kids

@xen2297 Ай бұрын

*shilled for

@BeliCsGROM Ай бұрын

grain of salt

@LeonBlade Ай бұрын

He also hopped off it and said so in this video. What's your point? How many people who watch Theo even are going to adopt into Edge anyways? It's okay to try things out.

@PedroPauloAlmeida0 25 күн бұрын

@@LeonBlade Try things out is this: "Let me try this, then I'll come back to you with some results, but be aware, this is just a try/error thing. Don't do it at home.". Another thing is being paid/sponsored to advocate, to stand up for something and then, later, come back here and say "Oh, I know why it doesn't work. Of course, here is the reason on this video". There's no problem in being wrong. First words of his video should be: "I was wrong. I am sorry. Now I will tell you why I was wrong and now I'm going to try to give you some advice and, hopefully, it can help you out". And that is not a subtle thing..

@thegeniusfool 10 күн бұрын

@@LeonBlade I think the issue is that. this guy has no "weight" but just flies around in some half-baked conceptualization of software development. Being a coding influencer rather than an actual system developer these days?

@nvbaxormgh Ай бұрын

The edging stream where Theo took a break to blow.

@spicynoodle7419 Ай бұрын

my main goal is to explode

@Qohist Ай бұрын

i edged to this video

@xanderplayz3446 Ай бұрын

what is the edge

@keyboard_g Ай бұрын

All this time and effort reinventing client-server, ajax, and cdns. This is a 25 year old workflow.

@brainites Ай бұрын

Old is the new new. 🤣😂🤣😂

@LongJourneys Ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly. I haven't changed much about what i've been doing for the last two decades and I've been fine.

@denimunjas6831 Ай бұрын

Agreed, I'm sitting here and scratching my head thinking "is HTML streaming something special or is just ajax?" 😂

@pldcanfly Ай бұрын

i couldn't stop thinking about framesets with the PPR-Thing and how the world looked like if we just made them better and useable.

@peterszarvas94 Ай бұрын

still waiting for when we stop using js on the server... 5-10 more years?

@TheBendixSA Ай бұрын

My man out here rocking that 80's CIA agent undercover as a cocaine runner for the Colombians look, and pulling it the fuck off.

@minikame2272 Ай бұрын

Prequel movie to Monk featuring a young Stottlemeyer

@paulie-g Ай бұрын

Too prim for that. More Studio 56 if you ask me

@SlavojZizekEspanol-libros Ай бұрын

Bro,its Colombians, from Colombia, not like the film studio. 😁

@TheBendixSA Ай бұрын

@@SlavojZizekEspanol-libros FIXED AND PUSHED TO MAIN.

@devinlauderdale9635 Ай бұрын

You heard it here first, vercel is now in it's goon phase.

@user-eh7wy9ne8p Ай бұрын

lmfaoooooooooooooooo

@ninocraft1 Ай бұрын

real

@umavictor Ай бұрын

😂😂

@marcuss.abildskov7175 Ай бұрын

That's VC funding for ya

@xHomu Ай бұрын

I love how Vercel always walk back whatever paradigm they pushed a year ago, just before announcing a brand new rendering paradigm that's definitely manna from heaven, this time!

@ParaNormanable Ай бұрын

Yeah, it's great that they try out new things, but really if you are building something on a larger scale you better not use something that didn't have the test of time yet. Being an early adopter can give a good feeling, but in this industry many times you might end up with your tail between your legs. Let others find out the blockers for a brand new framework/package/service, and if the hype still doesn't die down after 3 or 4 years you can pretty safely pick it up. Also there's this bias about new technologies - for one technology that stood the test of time ten has been buried in the graveyard. We might not hear about these technologies, only about the success of the single one and assume that everything that is hyped will be a massive success and is ready to be used.

@paulie-g Ай бұрын

@@ParaNormanable There's exactly 0 wrong with edge. There's a lot wrong with 'trivial edge without data replication'. Yes, it is unsuitable for cluetards or people trying to do trivial things simply. Yes, you're going to have to write your own code as opposed to glorified declarative specification of pre-defined behaviours provided by some behemoth framework, and you're going to need clue. The big problem realistically is that it is largely JS-centric.

@marcuss.abildskov7175 Ай бұрын

Welcome to VC funding

@NoProblem76 Ай бұрын

I’m gonna wait another five years and then see again if frontend has agreed with each other

@hungrymusicwolf Ай бұрын

At that point they'll have found another thing to disagree on, so you'll be waiting forever 😅.

@NeoChromer Ай бұрын

in my 10 yrs of experience, Frontend never agrees on anything

@SandraWantsCoke Ай бұрын

We are currently working on containerized micro frontends, where your site will be split up into different browser sections and each new section is a randomly generated javascript framework written by AI. On each request you will have a new JS framework running your things. We think it's the most JS-like thing ever and we think it will take over the web!

@errormaker1 Ай бұрын

Never stop edging

@StingSting844 Ай бұрын

Edge is not in thousands of locations. The largest edge network is cloudflare which is in around 300+ locations

@DylanJava Ай бұрын

Cloudflare is the master of edging

@dingusfartacus9624 Ай бұрын

@@DylanJava your mom taught you well, bravo

@marcuss.abildskov7175 Ай бұрын

Edge is literally in the thousands of locations when you're talking about IoT.

@StingSting844 Ай бұрын

@@marcuss.abildskov7175 but we are not talking about IoT. We are talking about vercel

@brainites Ай бұрын

This field is humbling. Every now and then we have to appreciate the fact that we didn't know and accept reality.

@theLowestPointInMyLife Ай бұрын

not really, only idiots fell for edge shilling

@developer217 Ай бұрын

Vercel made money and returned to node 😂😂

@upsxace Ай бұрын

@@developer217 even if that is true, vercel was also responsible for testing that technology and others in huge production environments, and thanks to it we now have an actual valid and tested conclusion of what is better, therefore we had progress (thanks to vercel)

@developer217 Ай бұрын

@@upsxace You're right

@gbjbaanb Ай бұрын

Na, old folk who know how things work knew it was just fad hype like most of the web technologies turn out to be. The old 'let's do this differently because it's cool' usually turns out to just be a VC cash grab. Don't fall for it again.

@MastermindAtWork Ай бұрын

I thought this was about Edge, the browser.

@broggl Ай бұрын

if only

@__Obscure__ Ай бұрын

So did I

@anonymousalexander6005 Ай бұрын

??? You mean chrome?

@HUEHUEUHEPony Ай бұрын

Edge is not the browser???

@Flipty18 Ай бұрын

I thought this was about Edge, the wrestler

@Kane0123 Ай бұрын

Australia mentioned let’s go

@ckmichael8 Ай бұрын

The edge thing will only work for companies like Cloudflare and Fastly that owns their own infrastructure and can offer a much cheaper pricing by compacting the edge v8 runtimes and get CPU-time pricing instead of runtime pricing. It won't scale for Vercel which is just running AWS Lambda and have the same cost model as original nodejs based runtime.

@magne6049 Ай бұрын

Vercel isn't just running AWS Lambda. They only do that for their Serverless offering. For the Edge offering they have their own Edge Runtime which is a set of APIs that interface with V8 isolates (likely run on Cloudflare Workers).

@davidgildegomezperez4364 Ай бұрын

It amazes to me that we are adding this amount of complexity to save 200-300ms, many of these ideas are the opposite of good engineering.

@dinoabdurahmanovic Ай бұрын

I totally agree. Over-engineering to save like 200ms or 20kb.

@SandraWantsCoke Ай бұрын

This is on each request, when hitting the like btn and what not. For most apps absolutely unnecessary.

@keithjohnson6510 Ай бұрын

Indeed, web technology has never been easier, and it's intrinsically Client/Server based, meaning it works on the edge by default. Theo seems to constantly bash client rendering as if it's a bad thing. Speed is not a good reason for SSR, the only thing I would say it potentially gains is SEO. But saying that any sites I've done client side SPA seem to index fine on all major search engines, so not even sure SEO is a good reason. ps. Also even that 200-300ms delay can be reduced if it's just for First Contentful Paint (FCP) reasons, just bootstrap the HTML with some inline styled content, very similar to how mobile apps have a splash screen.

@simonhartley9158 Ай бұрын

If you're trying to hit SLAs then 200ms is a godsend

@paulie-g Ай бұрын

@@dinoabdurahmanovic 200ms is huge. If you've never worked on a large consumer-facing site you won't know this, but adding 200ms to a page load is going to lose you a massive amount of traffic, whether it's from SERPs or PPC. In the PPC case, this can cost you on the order of thousands of dollars every hour (obviously scales with PPC budget).

@macienrique Ай бұрын

Love the content but seeing your face making some weird expression on the cover of every single video just makes it so hard to want to click on it.

@outtrigger Ай бұрын

you should blame the viewers instead for not clicking on vids without silly thumbnails and making this a necessity

@DanielVagg Ай бұрын

Unfortunately, if creators don't use thumbnails like this, they don't get the same reach. It's stupid (imo) but necessary.

@StingSting844 Ай бұрын

Yeah we just need the face not the bad expressions 😂

@ridass.7137 Ай бұрын

seeing such crybabies in comment section of every single video just makes me 🤢

@jostasizzi818 Ай бұрын

I just came here to say that but damn man you took word out my mouth

@upsxace Ай бұрын

Not me rewriting my NextAuth jwt code because I am forced by the library to make it compatible with Edge(even though i don't use it), just so Vercel gives up on Edge today 😂 Unlucky timing, but at least I learned something new i guess

@kefpull6676 Ай бұрын

I REALLY WANTED TO EDGE WITH THIS ONE😥😥😥🔥🔥🔥🗣🗣🗣

@Sirgaz Ай бұрын

Theres potential for a meme here, with the thumbnail faces and edging and all that

@CoryTheSimmons Ай бұрын

Good on Vercel for admitting something didn't work out and pivoting.

@DaxSudo Ай бұрын

As someone who really leveled up during this whole edge craze its been an absolute blast nerding out on the edge runtimes, how theyre built, performance, quirks and drawbacks and building around them. Its nice to see we arent just doing things to do them on edge anymore and are taking a measured approach to building with them and finding good improvements.

@marcuss.abildskov7175 Ай бұрын

What edge runtimes? The only one that's worth looking into is the one Cloudflare Workers is using.

@DaxSudo Ай бұрын

@@marcuss.abildskov7175 Sure for production stuff workers are awesome, I am still allowed to love the rust forks of it and other specialty stuff for AWS etc.

@samuelgunter Ай бұрын

i dont care how vercel feels, im going to keep on edging

@lavavex Ай бұрын

I saw this with no context thinking we were talking about Microsoft Edge for like the first minute or so

@alvaronaranjo2589 Ай бұрын

Just want to say I had a wrong idea about the quality of your content for some reason. I’m glad to be wrong. Thanks for sharing this, it was very informative

@kabukitheater9046 Ай бұрын

next month "NEXTJS gave up on server components". the javascript ecosystem is a joke

@eduardoromaguera9707 Ай бұрын

Nahh, that won't happen because they need to sell us the server side rendering face-green-smiling

@upsxace Ай бұрын

server rendering is amazing, chill with the nonsense hate

@hannad Ай бұрын

How is edge thing JS ecosystem?

@karimbelfort2919 Ай бұрын

edging to this rn

@v1d300 Ай бұрын

More like investors are knocking, Vercel is trying to reduce their server expenditure. Shutting down the least used, and a lot expensive product to begin with.

@justsample9185 Ай бұрын

a perfect example of not having FOMO about new tech stuff - it will die sooner than you'll have a chance to test it out :)

@victor95pc 19 күн бұрын

The reality is that most of the apps you will work on are made With React 16-17 and Redux with (redux-saga/redux-thunks/graphql), its what its

@rand0mtv660 Ай бұрын

I'm glad I didn't jump on this "edge" or even "serverless" nonsense because of hype. I mean I also didn't need it on apps that I've worked on. I invested my time getting to know Linux more and understanding how to deploy things on a VPS/VM on my own without these managed services and I can say that I learned a ton. Yeah it's great to know these managed services, but I think knowing the barebones is a more valuable skill long term.

@abdarker1043 Ай бұрын

crab is for Rust

@SandraWantsCoke Ай бұрын

oh, I thought it was a disease they caught

@suckerformimi Ай бұрын

You had me at ”This isn’t clickbait”

@pbentesio Ай бұрын

I had never considered building my side projects on any of these edge solutions because of the database rtt problem. Lately I've been building an app using turso as the database and it occurs to me that turso's embedded replicas perfectly solve that problem.

@thereaper7682 Ай бұрын

First time discovering this channel and I've always liked NextJs

@abbashussain7298 Ай бұрын

I knew this would happen and when I saw this title I shouted "Called it!" out loud

@Lampe2020 16 күн бұрын

Doesn't KZfaq also use PPR? Or at least something similar. When you open KZfaq it basically immediately comes up with a page skeleton that then bit by bit gets filled with the dynamic content.

@tmbarral664 Ай бұрын

Man, that's why I love your videos. Yeah, you talked about news but you always have a deep understanding on the subjects and you bring us to a deep dive in it. I can't say how much I learned just watching your videos ! Amazing job, mate ;)

@jonnathanmoreno5538 Ай бұрын

Great video. Thanks for the heads up I’m in the middle of launching an app with “edge” built in functionality may have to do some refactoring 🤔

@yapet Ай бұрын

Vercel’s done with edging?

@everyhandletaken Ай бұрын

We can still carry on edging though

@ryan4888 Ай бұрын

"if u don't give me a better name you're stupid" -- dawg chill out lmao

@alastairtheduke Ай бұрын

Yeah, Theo's streams are toxic af

@Voidstroyer Ай бұрын

That's why people seem to like ThePrimeagen more. He sounds a lot more informative as opposed to Theo who sounds a lot more authorative. Although both of them share useful information. ThePrimeagen is obviously the better human being though.

@seeibe Ай бұрын

"None of these are running node" AWS: Hold my lambdas

@Daddyjs Ай бұрын

with partial pre rendering, can you revalidate (ISR) the data for the static parts of the page that lives on the edge?

@useruser-ti1og Ай бұрын

What's the drawing app you use?

@everyhandletaken Ай бұрын

This video really took the edge off.

@ThinkleTink Ай бұрын

Guess they have been "Edge" ing for a while. only to never see the "climax" of their work.

@itsSujeetMahto Ай бұрын

working fine in my Microsoft edge..

@moishinetzer Ай бұрын

When will someone tell Theo that Remix has had the ability to do all of these things since day 1 😭😭😭😭😭

@jonniem Ай бұрын

would have really appreciated a link in the description to the tweet in question

@cintron3d Ай бұрын

At first I thought the Edge browser, then I thought CDN. Never heard of the Edge runtime before.

@cnikolov Ай бұрын

why they dont use bun for their backend?

@syth-1 Ай бұрын

This really is the year of serverlessness

@xxXAsuraXxx Ай бұрын

At this point Next js has became the religious cult that everyone hates haha

@GermansEagle Ай бұрын

Finally! Considering returning to next

@sammavrs Ай бұрын

EdgingTime PERFECT Name

@hetter2498 Ай бұрын

I didn’t quite understood, could you show us how you edge?

@felipeaprotazio Ай бұрын

Isn’t that partial pre-rendering strategy the same as Astro’s islands? Astro does not ship js to the browser by default, if one wants to add interactive, one creates “islands” of interactivity and that is the only js shipped.

@DryBones111 Ай бұрын

Yeah, Astro's approach is really suited to the vast majority of websites out there. You can then pick making your interactivity client-rendered or SSR. Then if SSR, using a node server or edge deployment. Each is an architectural decision to be made depending on the website. Going so hard on edge was always a curious choice.

@ShravanSunder Ай бұрын

Please link to original articles and tweets in the description.

@MrSN99 Ай бұрын

edging is old fashion, everyone is gooning rn

@ArdentObserver Ай бұрын

What is the diagram software being used?

@ipbyrne Ай бұрын

How long till they update middleware’s so they can run on node runtime?

@freecivweb4160 Ай бұрын

What does SF pilled mean?

@chrisanderson687 Ай бұрын

I think I'm going to just stick with doing things the "old fashioned" way. Vite to build my frontend, deployed on CDN for quick loading to users browsers. Keep it a SPA, and stream in data over websockets so we get first bytes quickly, and extra data gets cached into localstorage. Can make this super snappy and also support offline usage (happens more often than people realize, spotty cell coverage, airplanes, etc). The recent allergic reaction to running JS on client computers is crazy to me. Sure, we can massively reduce the bloat (Vite with Svelte or similar can solve that largely), but just because some folks ship too much JS doesn't mean we have to go crazy and compute everything on the server-side like it's 1999 and we are still writing PHP. It seems too convenient to me that all these companies are pushing us to move compute back to servers, when that means paying them more per month! Conflict of interest. So I don't trust anything Vercel says, or any of these other companies that are doing similar (Deno Deploy, etc).

@victor95pc 19 күн бұрын

Code split + CDN, it would get super snappy app, this idea of rendering SSR looks to me like a regretion, I came from Rails and the main point for me to learn React was to reduce the computing load from the server to the client, its crazy to me to ask to go back to SSR, especially now that client devices are faster, why would anyone compute rendering stuff in the server lol, also you lose the offline support.

@rewazilol Ай бұрын

Post the link to what you're reading in the description please :/

@davidvelasquez9356 20 күн бұрын

what is that canvas/drawing tool?

@alexsolovyov3322 Ай бұрын

Name for the edge runtime? - Edge Runtime

@Luxalpa Ай бұрын

what if instead of using NodeJS you're just writing your website in a language that compiles it into an efficient binary that doesn't need a complex runtime?

@christianremboldt1557 Ай бұрын

I thought this was somehow about the Microsoft Edge Browser xD

@peterszarvas94 Ай бұрын

They abandoned their child

@tony_ypnar Ай бұрын

vercel pivoting to gooning

@27sosite73 Ай бұрын

thank you

@carloslfu Ай бұрын

I am on the edge with Vercel.

@carloslfu Ай бұрын

jk, love them!

@thomas-sinkala Ай бұрын

Curious, what app or website was used to make the illustration?

@assainjon Ай бұрын

Xcalidraw

@Akos-Duna Ай бұрын

Excalidraw

@tedspens Ай бұрын

Wait... what? Seriously? I'm just learning edge. wt... dude! Okay, gonna listen to the video now....

@mikopiko Ай бұрын

Is Vercel still pushing the jamstack architecture or have they abandoned that too?

@phizc Ай бұрын

1:52 when I saw Edge with capital E in the title, I thought it was about the browser.

@rns10 Ай бұрын

another day, another switch in js

@HUEHUEUHEPony Ай бұрын

Just write your own js runtime

@rns10 Ай бұрын

@@HUEHUEUHEPony i am that htmx guy :)

@paljain01 Ай бұрын

where is the tweet link?

@SonAyoD Ай бұрын

Doesn’t the quik framework stream everything, literally.

@quadra5443 Ай бұрын

vercel should edge more

@sragveesatluri4961 Ай бұрын

I think edge runtime is stupid, you should call it edging time

@syamilabdillah7010 Ай бұрын

edge runtime == v8 isolate

@igmtink Ай бұрын

sir theo can you make a video for honojs and elysiajs

@codeChuck Ай бұрын

The Crab is Rust! I'm sure! It their logo :)

@ignrey Ай бұрын

For those in the comments: the context which allows this to exist, already existed. They just change its behavior a little bit and save quite an amount of time, 300ms is a tangible amount. Up to 50% faster responses, if what they said is true.

@avivshvitzky2459 Ай бұрын

so nothing changes for next.js devs?

@allresende5661 Ай бұрын

After so much complexity and so many bugs... No wonder why

@kaffeetscherl Ай бұрын

PPR solves an already solved issue. You just need to accept that not everything needs to be put inside react. Why not serve the static part of the site directly, use react for the main content stuff and use some other thing to glue them together? Why must everything live inside the react monolith?

@mazwrld Ай бұрын

does someone have a demo app for ppr?

@dog4ik Ай бұрын

I might keep edging without vercel

@redemption330 Ай бұрын

I also wonder what cratb 🦀 could be ? 🤔

@amine7 Ай бұрын

Sad to see Vercel losing their edge streak

@ThugLifeModafocah Ай бұрын

I thought it was something related to the browser...

@PaulSebastianM Ай бұрын

Nice haircut! 👍

@dexterbanawon2449 Ай бұрын

crab = Rust

@aashishsingla2499 Ай бұрын

Oh, Sorry, I kinda thought this was about browser compatibility issues.

@eduardoromaguera9707 Ай бұрын

Next "NEXTJS gave up on server components", back to render the UI at our super powerful smartphones ! Nahh, that won't happen because they need to sell us the server side rendering

@developer217 Ай бұрын

100% true

@lapissea1190 Ай бұрын

I'm quite confused by all this edging

@onthefence928 Ай бұрын

So should we switch to chrome or Firefox 😂

@danielmajer1648 Ай бұрын

Have you just picked your eyebrows?

@seanknowles9985 Ай бұрын

Key take away, DENO is winning.

@hasslehoffs Ай бұрын

SPA + code splitting = done ... no need for complex infrastructure

@neociber24 Ай бұрын

When you are working a global scale that doesn't make sense anymore.

@hamza_dev Ай бұрын

Your SPA still needs to fetch the data from a server.

@masadamsahid Ай бұрын

Will that still SEO-friendly?

@victor95pc 19 күн бұрын

@@hamza_dev Your app in SSR also needs the client to make a request to the server far away from the client and I do hope its close to the database otherwise it will be super slow

@victor95pc 19 күн бұрын

@@masadamsahid Most apps don't need to be after you pass the login page and yes most of the crawler can handle SPA nowdays this is not a really good reason to use SSR.