Alright everyone I am starting to remove a ton of comments that are not helpful or have horribly bad advice like just drive it without title. This is not a sounding board for EVs, conspiracies, politics, etc. Keep it on topic and if you have something helpful to add please do so. If not I am going to delete it. I hate to do that but it has become excessive with tin foil hat stuff.

There really needs to be a “barn find” title. Just show a bill of sale, do the VIN check to make sure it ain’t stolen, and then they issue a new title. It really should be that easy.

I believe its a way to keep old gas engines off the road . NY stopped all the loop holes years ago .

In Texas you simply apply for a bonded title. 1) take the vehicle to the vehicle theft task force to check it out 2) take that paperwork to DMV and get title application 3) get bond on title 4) take all paperwork to DMV to register vehicle. It’s not too bad. Will probably cost like $200 in total

We're pretty dang lucky here in Tennessee. You can print off for free, a "Certificate of Ownership" where you fill out all the info on the vehicle, your info, and the info of the previous owner and as long as the vehicle is 30 years old or older, you can get a title with that and a bill of sale. I've used it on several bikes now. Also, on stuff newer, you can do that same certificate with an appraisal from a dealer and a clean vin signed off by a local cop, and as long as it's under $3,000 in value, you can get a title too.

Over here in the UK you have to get an owners club to verify in writing from photos you’ve sent them that the bike is what it’s supposed to be, then send the letter that the owners club has given you along with a form filled out with the bikes details and photos including engine and frame number and send that to the government agency (DVLA), I did it recently on a 1976 Suzuki GT250A, and it went pretty smooth, cost £30 for the owners club letter and £50 to the DVLA took 3 weeks all in.

Looks like West Virginia has stepped up to the plate and now will be issuing titles for out of state vehicles!

Registering a classic motorcycle here in the UK with our DVLA is a fairly simple straightforward process. We are lucky I guess in only having one nationwide system 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

I just went through the bonded title process here in Wisconsin. It was a bunch of paperwork and took some time but not too difficult. Cost me $200 at my insurance agent to get the bond the WI DMV told me to get. All in all it cost me almost $400 to get a bonded title.

(As said below, a "Barn Find Title") would be key. Not Federal, but federally standardized and implemented at the state level. AND be fair about it, overcharging might push folks to be dishonest. And be realistic please, getting a signature on title paperwork from the grave is tough. Getting together on this is the only way we will ever see any Process change. Power in numbers thing.

I got two 70s Hondas last fall here in MN without titles 1975 CB200T 1974 CB750K. The previous owner passed away about 10 years ago so i was worried about how hard it would be to get a title but luckily his widow I bought them from had registration papers from the 80s for each of the bikes. The DMV required a bill of sale, pictures of all sides of the vehicles/vin numbers on the frames and engines, the old registration and a death certificate for the previous owner to get me a bonded title after signing a "statement of facts". it took a few weeks but I got both titles in the end for around 80 dollars. I couldn't imagine how hard it would be without tons of help from the previous owners widow because a simple bill of sale would not have been enough. So many cars and bikes that could easily be restored never will be because of paperwork issues and its a shame.

I still have my Vermont Plate. I was wondering how long this would last. Glad my restoration made it through. For the other bike I am working on I will have to go through the traditional Michigan Rules. Could take a long time. The old days are gone with Vermont. Sorry to hear this news. Thank You for the update. Damn.

7/30/23 I may have to do a huge purge of these tinfoil hat comments to keep everything on track. Loooooots of the uncles who get into political arguments on Thanksgiving in the comments section lol. Alright here is my proposal! Someone buys an acre of land and then can sell 1 square foot of it to people so they can then have a Vermont address! It's like the Scottish lord thing you see all the time online except you can be a lord of Vermont! Then you have a real address and are considered a resident!

I bought a kei fire truck with no title back in May and submitted my paperwork to Vermont DMV a mere 3 days before the deadline. I called their helpline, saying that I had done that before their deadline and they said, "As long as the office receives it before July, we will accept it." Happy to report I got my plates in the mail a few weeks afterwards, and just got my actual registration last week!

A national VIN system should be in place for this type of situation even if an individual had to pay a fee and submit a good clear photo of the VIN number and have a waiting period to receive documents to submit for a title heck even having a VIN check included in the system to show if it's stolen or missing.

I did a bonded title here in Illinois. The biggest PITA is that the dealers around here don't want to commit to doing an appraisal in writing and signing a piece of paper that says it's correct to the best of their knowledge. I sent a letter to my local Representative and to the Secretary of State who runs the DMV and asked them to change the requirement to accept the "GOOD" NADA value instead of an appraisal. I always now require a Notarized Bill-of-Sale with any bike I buy.

In Canada, in these circumstances you can often get an affadavit done by a town clerk/ notary-public. You then take that to the government office and obtain an Ownership

South Dakota I'm also a Missouri resident and have many Missouri friends that have vehicles registered in South Dakota. I've been told you can do that with only a bill of sale.

This is a real problem. I have passed on some really cool bikes due to this very thing. I have 2 that had slightly "sketchy" but complete paperwork that were both difficult to title but eventually did in my state of AR.

South Dakota. They are even more lenient than the Vermont was. Pennington County Treasurer in Rapid City. BINGO ! They will title and register a non vin custom and salvage title plus allow the bike to be registered for street using your state address

I feel your pain. Here in MO too, I am still waiting for my Vermont registration and plate for a 1972 Suzuki. Vermont DMV cashed my check on July 6, 2023. Still waiting July 25, 2023. MO needs to pass legislation to protect historic vehicles. Bill of sale, 30 years old, or older and not stolen. Pay fees. Get a title. Should be easy. Email your local Representative, Senator, the Governor.

In TN, we bring the bike/car to the local PD for a VIN search, pay $65 to the local paper to post a notice of ownership (wait 10 days), and send all that to the state, with a Bill of Sale and you get something like a title (can't recall the name), but it allows you to register and plate the vehicle.

I went through the whole process of ownership in doubt in Washington. Got my bike as a rust bucket from craigslist, hasn't been registered since the 90s. Started with a dmw look up to make sure it wasn't hot, all clear. Applied for the title, had to sent the previous owner a certified letter of release of intrest and asking for the title, and being so old the DMV had no record of ownership. Had to take it to the state patrol to get it inspected and able to register and it helped that I have every nut and bolt documented in a binder. So that bumped me into the 3 years of wait to apply for my title in WA. Another year and half to go! I think as long as you're buying a bike that's not hot, and has such a long time with no registration. It's pretty straight forward process of obtaining a title (at least in WA) just takes a long time.

Thanks for letting people know on such a wide scale. Just got back from Two Wheel Tuesday here in NYC. Will continue to spread the word. It’s a bummer but it’s tricky because it’s something we probably shouldn’t have been able to do in the first place. However, it also sucks because we have no options. I’m a small gov guy but of course jerks ruin things for everyone. I think it’s really up to people to write to their local congresspeople to come up with a new method. I just don’t have any faith in federal powers having much say or making progress on this- it would take wayyyy too long anyway. It sucks because this kind of dooms a lot of really cool old vehicles and makes them parts only (or display items I guess). So tricky.

Louisiana allows a "build a title" process. Take the motorcycle to state police office. They run it through the national stolen database (if there is a legible VIN). If it clears, they issue you a certificate to take to DMV.

Just put all those lovely rare barn finds with no title in containers and send them to the UK. We will look after them for you. 👀🧐😎😜🙈

I live in Virginia and bought a camper trailer from a seller in North Carolina, where they don't title trailers. I went the abandoned vehicle route to title the trailer. I had to advertise the trailer as abandoned for some period of time (don't remember how long--it's been a while), and when no one contested, I was able to obtain title. The process was lengthy (several months) but not TOO expensive (under $200). Still, when the overall value of these things is $1K to $2K, it's a huge percentage when you think of it. Bottom line: We need a process to show the darned things aren't stolen. Once that threshold has been met, the rest should be cheap and quick.

I am right here next to you in MO. I have slowly been restoring a 71 DT1E for some time that was from my uncle. He bought it new in CA and moved it here in the 80s, title long gone, but the original plate is still on it. Maybe the plates would be part of a useful future process as well? Otherwise, no title, no bill of sale, he has now passed. Once I actually get it together, I guess i will have to go to the judge route. I am a power to the states type of guy when it comes to government, but something federally applicable might be nice here. I cannot wait to stop in the new shop and let me know if I can lend a hand, I am only a town over. I plan on coming on Sept. 30th too!

This is a massive issue in South Africa too

Here in New Zealand we have a national register for all vehicles ,includes the history of all owners,country of origin ,last registered owner ,complete details of vin number etc .reported stolen ,damages ,money owing etc .Easy Peasy .If the vehicles registration has lapsed it has to go through a complete and thorough check by a government agency to be re registered.Also we have a yearly warrant of fitness ,except for vehicles older than 10 years that require a 6monthly warrant of fitness .

on the VT registration form it asks for your address and your mailing address. just pick any legal address in VT as your address and put your out of state address as your mailing address, title, and registration / plate will be mailed to your mailing address.

I mailed my check and paperwork in late June 2023. Yesterday, 7-26-2023, I received one of the last DMV Loophole, plates. Goodbye Vermont Loophole.

I am glad you made this video. I just don’t waste my time with non titled bikes. They are all over facebook market place. To me they are worthless motorcycles. People want good money for them. But I stay clear. I figure if it was so easy the person selling should get the title.

New Hampshire has 25 year rule, no title needed at 25 years or older. they will just register the vehicle without title or previous registration (you will need a vin verification from form filled out from any garage if you have neither) but once You get the NH registration you can take it to any state who requires titles and they will retitle the vehicle. It’s not nearly as easy but figured I mention it.

Australia has a national register for vehicles (REV’s). You can check current registration, finance owing, if it’s stolen, written off through damage (unable to be re-registered), had water damage, significant repairs, stolen. All vehicles need to be inspected to be registered.

It's too bad they have to get rid of all this stuff because of the incompetence of these people. What if you want to drive the car 3 days out of the year? Oh no register and waste money and go through all this paperwork. Ridiculous. Great video thanks!

As an Australian, your system seems unnecessarily complicated. For us (which alters slightly from State to State) all you have to do to register an unregistered vehicle is to obtain a road worthy certificate (from inspectors licenced by the state authority), take the vehicle to a booked appointment at the 'DMV' where you present completed forms with all your details and the vehicle details etc). They inspect it, confirm the VIN and engine number, confirm your ID (from your licence) and check that the VIN and/or engine number aren't stolen or written off by an insurance company from accident damage or theft, provide a receipt (bill of sale), pay the fees and you're done. If its from a deceased estate, the executor of the will can dispose of a vehicle (once their position is confirmed with the DMV). If its registered, or expired within 6 months, the seller and buyer complete a registration transfer form, present that with a road worthiness certificate, pay the fees and you're done. Its only an issue if anything shows up as stolen. A buyer can check a register for this or for any loan security. Easy...

Bill of sale , checks by a visiting local police officer to your address to check vehicle identification numbers are not current reported stolen , applucation for title completed by new owner.. any charges paid. That should be the national system where no title with vehicle on purchase.

Here in the UK, there are 2 main differences in the vehicle registration system: firstly we have a central, national system, DVLA, which holds records of every motor vehicle registered in the UK. Secondly, having a vehicle registered in your name (being the Registered Keeper) does not prove ownership - it actually tells you this on the top of the registration document. If you buy a vehicle without documents, as long as it has been previously registered on the system, you just fill in the appropriate form, pay the fee and send it off. DVLA will then write to the last registered keeper to ask if it has been stolen. If they don't receive a reply, after a certain time they will issue a new document in your name (there is no permanent "title", a new registration document is issued every time a vehicle changes hands). There are different procedures if a vehicle has been imported, or built as a one-off special, but all of these are covered in one way or another. Proving ownership is another matter, and would have to be done the same way as with any other goods, by showing proof of purchase.

I sent in paper work for 1926 T. On June 4th 2023 and have been waiting and watching ever day for them to cash the check. I never put the title in my name, that was 30 years ago!

I got pretty lucky on my 1980 cx500. I bought it from some kid who supposedly got it from the owner, no title but there was a release in interest, but it didnt matter because when the Police ran the Vin and old plate from 98 literally no info on the bike came up, so i got to skip a lot of steps to get a conditional title. Edit: im in idaho btw.

I think a VIN search, plus checking the registering parties criminal history (I know I'll get comments for that), should be sufficient. If it hasn't been reported stolen, and they aren't a habitual criminal, why wouldn't you award a title?

I did two surety bind titles thru my insurance company this spring on two bikes I got at a auction last fall. The local sheriff came over to inspect the bikes it was a fairly easy process two trips to the dmv two calls with my insurance lady and one visit from the local sheriff. The one bike is on the road the other will be next summer.

I used the “Vermont” method to get a title for a 1964 Honda several years ago and recently used the same process for an old boat. I guess I just made the deadline by a few weeks. Someone recommended telling my state that I “built “ the boat. I wasn’t comfortable with that. Like you, I just want to legally use the boat or motorcycle.

Sucks big time BJ hopefully there is another way you can get a title especially as you said you have a business they shouldn’t be crucifying everyone just because of the dishonest ones ,always someone has got to ruin it for others hopefully you get something sorted mate all the best 👌👍🔧🔧🔧❤️

Lived in California and bought a rebuilt bike from Georgia without title… bought after seen video and shipped it to California… paperwork that was supposed to be easy turned into a pain in the arse…

I got a Texas title for a Vespa 200 Rally. First owner never titled it. Used Vermont to get Texas with argument and gave copies of Vermont law. Total cost for both states was $250.

In the UK we have the V5C, log book, vehicle tax is paid separately, you can apply to the issuing authority for a replacement V5C for the set fee of £25

The only option we got now is a bonded title and that’s an awful process! If you fix it during those years and the owner wants it back they can try and get it back.

This is a bummer. I bought an '85 Katana 750 from Canada back in '99 and went this route to get it titled here. It'd be difficult otherwise because those bikes were never imported to the US.

here in UK we have only one system , either apply for a v5 registration or if unknown then a dating certificate from a owners club , vehicle test and they should then get a registration

I have missed so many opportunities to get a nice old bike but backed out but just because there is no easy way to get a title. That is unfortunate.

Here in montreal I’ve used the “form 148” with the local police identification bureau for several 60’s and 70’s bikes. You fill out all the pertinent bike info, vins, pictures and a brief background story of how you acquired it. They open an investigation into its status. If all is good you get a call for an in person appointment where they present you an officially stamped document to bring to your DMV stating after their investigation you have the right to put the bike in your name, take pictures and place inspection stickers on your frame and engine then they pull out a portable payment system and take their $275 Cad. Depending on how busy they are it can take from one to three weeks.

I picked up a 72 Honda CB450 here in Michigan last year and it was a breeze to get a title for it. I filled out their online form for missing title, did a NADA "appraisal" online, had a bill of sale, and did an online check on the VIN to prove it wasn't stolen. I think I might have had 20 minutes invested in putting all the paperwork together and I it ended up costing about $35 total and I have a title in my name in about 10 days. I believe the vehicle needs to be purchased within the state of Michigan and you need to be a resident though.

In WV the previous owner has to file for a lost title, the new owner has little recourse if they don't get the title properly signed over at the time of sale. Our neighbors in Kentucky and Ohio have to have titles signed by a notary at the time of sale.

I see you have a link for the West Virginia process. I haven’t had to use it but know a few folks that have. Worked well they said

Got back from my purchase trip. I'm leaving the bike on the trailer in case I've got to deliver it to the DMV/ Police. The bike has a 2007 inspection sticker, and was advertised as at 2003 but has the manufacturing date as 1995 right next to the VIN #. I didn't know about Date of Manufacture. The bracket that holds the odometer and speedometer housing has been disconnected. When I saw this yesterday it looks like it needs just two fasteners. But what the heck? This did not stop me from going ahead with the sale. Oh well. Thanks very much for all that you are doing. Clearly, the "State Inspection" process is about all of this. OOPS. I'll let you know. I do live "next door" to Vermont so there may be some relief there. I do have an excellent bill of sale that's notarized with a receipt of my payment attached. The container sales people seemed honest with me. They told me that they did not check the VIN # ~ They are not stupid but I'm feeling that way. My bad. I'm preparing myself to brace for the bad news. 😐

Bit of a rigmarole to get this done in New Zealand. I kind of envy how easy it is in some US states. Whole process Costs roughly $800 ($500usd). To start you need a declaration saying the vehicle was purchased “deregistered”. Signed by whom you bought it from, and a justice of the peace. So basically a notarised bill of sale. Then it goes for inspection at a state approved inspection site. The inspection is stricter than regular annual inspection, you need to provide proof there is no rust in the rocker panels on older cars for example. Must have fully reconditioned brakes (new pads and rotors basically, but you know as well as I one should rebuild the master and calipers). Brake checks are done, tested for imbalance etc. But that’s it, that’s done, you can then register it in your name. In NZ we don’t have titles, cars are simply registered to a name and that persons driving license. To register, you need current inspection. Registration lapses after 1 year, which results in having to do the above process. If you can’t pass inspection, you can place it on rego hold to prevent it lapsing whilst it’s laid up, but most people forget. But I have seen a car that’s had its hold renewed every year since 1999 though (you can only hold it a year at a time)!

As a moped person in Canada, I've never had to deal with it. Hear about it all the time because moped laws vary state to state and that seemed like the method to retitle mopeds. Here in Alberta, a registration requires a bill of sale and insurance. Requires an inspection if it came from out of province. A moped *build* requires a Homebuilt VIN if nothing is already there, I had this quoted at the "trailer" cost once because , moped. That took some coercing. But lately they want all the cash they can get. It then requires a request for inspection, inspection, insurance, and you can then get it registered. In moped world this might cost more than buying something new if you can find someone willing to take it in for inspection. A service is great, a fee, ok, but try to keep them from emptying wallets, keep it proportional to vehicle class or something, that vehicle value method's probably close to right. Personally I doubt you do see much of anything, they want to control what's on the roads, and bringing back some old barn junk isn't on their "green" timeline. Theft may be a good reason to hide behind, but that's obviously been happening since day one. There's a bigger agenda to meet EPA goals and tighten controls.

New Hampshire does a vin verification on anything with a number. You don't need a story or a reason. Just go to just about any garage or dealer, and you are good to go, I've had a bunch of vehicles verified and haven't paid a dime doing so. I've heard some places charge, but I haven't been

I appreciate you breaking this news to me bc I just heard about this process from a Missouri state trooper who was selling a 98 R1 I inquired about buying from him and I was just going to use this for a zx7R 98 that I know who owned it originally and had went to prison and they won’t allow him to retrieve a lost title to legitimate sign the bike over bc he’s not getting out for another ten bc of the life style of prison you have to become in there but anyways I was talking to him about it and he told me aslong as it was x amount of years clean vin good to go well I know it’s not stolen 100.10 percent bc dude bought it brand new rode it for two years went to prison and family stores it for him the proper way garage kept started at least once a year oil changed gas ect like not super clean but was clean enough sad he might not make it back over the smallest stuff and not being a rat

I feel for you. I came to the USA and imported my 2 bikes from overseas. The country I came from does not issue titles. This country only tracks vehicles by engine numbers only, bill of sale not required as previous owner does a quit claim on the registration number and engine number, receipt is only for banks who finance the sale if need be. In 1999 I tried to register the FJ in California and so the saga begins. Got forms went to highway patrol for vin inspection, passed, they didn’t give a crap about roadworthiness. For the 1985 FJ1100 the vin was in the wrong format for the USA and the dmv and they could not enter it into the computer system as they had no process for reformatting an existing vin to allow it to be entered. Also as I did not have a title or bill of sale they suggested I buy a registered titled frame.and swap the parts over, this took 3 years to find one and about 12 months to get the title from the previous owners, and they have messed up the transfer paperwork to the extent it may not be legal, plus I only had a small window in 99 to do this registration due to work and personal commitments so I have not gone ahead but plan to in the next year or so. To prove ownership of the parts to be swapped it was suggested that I sell the engine and parts to myself for $1 and write myself a receipt and have all the old registration data and shipping forms on hand to prove import and previous ownership. My 1965 BSA will register easily but I wasn’t willing to go through the bull crap to get there at the time in 99. Where I came from we had a system where the DMV would issue a new engine or frame number if you could prove legal possession and if the numbers themselves were ambiguous in any way such as mis-stamping or obliteration, this process allowed clearing up of the issues. I re stamped collector cars with numbers matching as built/as delivered/as new vehicle documentation for the show and concourse circuit. The desired numbers had to searched and you could negotiate with a current owner of numbers and buy them but you paid for the previous owners vehicle to be inspected and restated, your vehicle had to be pre inspected then you had 24 hours to re-stamp the numbers and have it post inspected and new paperwork was given to you on the spot to match. It all made sense and if you followed the rules it was no problem. The DMV and police would work with you as you had to pay a fee to do all this but nothing exorbitant just processing fees. New vehicles built by non factory builders had to meet current design and smog rules where as a vintage or a modified older vehicle had to meet the requirements for the year of manufacture, but if you incorporated later technologies you had to meet the rules for the years the technology was approved for use on vehicles. E.G. put an automatic trans in a 1940’s vehicle all the shift/starter interlocks and park function had to work. Good luck and I hope the lunacy is put down.

In Texas, where I am from, I had my Vermont registration denied because it was in my name and was not a transfer. Texas makes getting a title possible but you have to tack on $300 to $400 in extra expense because they will add a non negotiable valuation for which you will have to pay sales tax. I purchased a bike from a friend who had a terminal illness. It was a labor of love for her but it had messed up paperwork. I went through the bonded title application for Texas and the only extra hoop I had to jump through was the physical inspection by a Sworn Peace Officer. He inspects the bike, runs the numbers to see if it's hot and then gives you paperwork certifying the the bike does in fact exist.

Kit car issue as well. I get it, each state can do as they please, but there NEEDS to be a process in each state that let's us get a title/registration so we can njoy our stuff.

They are making it harder to keep old cars/ old bikes in the loop. Im in NB Canada and fought for months with our gov trying to get a bike registered. We have an affidavit form you can fill out but then they told me that form doesn't apply here, then when is it used for.

I linked with a tow company once I found out the car wasn’t stolen I paid the tow company to to house the vehicle for 90 days n paid them to send out for titles and that’s how I got the title n my name. Made it like I purchased the car for the tow company. Abandonment

I have a 71 CL350 and used the Vermont method. I didn't go and get a Virginia title because the bike is still in 'rebuilding ' status. Can I continue to use or renew the Vermont registration that I have?

I live in NC. I have a barn find 75 Suzuki GT380. I live in North Carolina, but have the bike registered in Maine.

I’m in MT and it’s surprising how many people have bikes for sale without any title. Here in MT we have to go through the process of getting a bonded title. That requires an officer to inspect and run the vin and then a surety bond has to be purchased. Then you send it in with a small fee and cross your fingers.

well bummer, my step daughter moved from Vermont last year and now my sister will be moving from there soon to Idaho.. maybe Idaho does something similar and then I could use her. How can i find out if Idaho does what Vermont was doing?

New Hampshire does something similar but you have to have someone there that will fill out a vin form for you and another to go to a dmv to get a title for you

Here in Hawaii mopeds don't require a title. Only a registration. Will Vermont issue an out of state registration for a 50cc moped? So many are abandoned here. I've done Vermont before. Is simple registration and plate for a moped dead also?? Thank and mahalo

I think the loophole still works. I just sent Vermont Dmv paperwork to register my 1941 truck, and they called me. I talked to them, told them it was a Barn, and found that I wanted to restore it, and they cashed my check... this was last week 7-18-23 . I think if it's a 15-year or older car with a Vin, it should be ok... It doesn't hurt to try again... im surprised mine went through.

I'm right there with you. I bought a 1969 dodge polara from Facebook marketplace. The guy had a Virginia title. Virginia is a non notary state. Took it to DMV here in NC. Paid my money got a registration. Well,a couple weeks later I got a letter from DMV stating since the car came from out of state, DMV theft division had to come out and look at the car and check the VIN numbers etc. then do a search . Well the guy came out looked it over and said it'd take 4 months to process. Been over 2 and I'm still waiting. I think personally you should be able to go to DMV ,pay a fee to have them do a vin search and if it isnt stolen or hasnt been registered since Reagan was in office etc. they should give you a title. Just one mans opinion. Best of luck to you. Meanwhile, I'm waiting.

Does anyone have an update of ways to go about getting titles for title-less vehicles?

I found an abandoned derelict bike in a parking garage in CA. I don't recall it being a huge problem. No judge, everything handled through the DMV office. It may have been the case that they had to be able to see that it was once registered in the state. It had been, well over a decade earlier.

I think a state by state procedure would be the more likely case. I have a few cars that I bought without a title and was going to use Vermont to get them titled.

I'm so lucky that in Queensland Australia that as long as I have a bill of sale with a phone number and email address I'm able to register in my name as long as it doesn't come up as stolen but you do still have to worry about money owing on the bike or car. My bikes are old and crusty so I don't have to worry about the last bit

From what I was told from the Sherif that came to my house to check the VIN on my 1981 Honda CB900C, he just checked that the VIN on the frame matched the engine, and then he ran the numbers to make sure it wasn’t stolen. He said i should be able to take that report and the bill of sale to the BMV and issue a title. I wanted to make sure it was even possible to get a title for it before I started to tear it down. I’ll give you an update on the process. I just think there should be a cap on it that should change yearly, and I’m saying if a bike is over 10 years old without a title and a sherif inspects it to not be stolen then a title should be just that simple to get. Ill let you know how it works out for me here in Indiana

Being in California I'll can tell you the government and their owners the manufacturers don't want those vehicles on the road. They want you to buy new so title is a good way to keep it off the road.

i used VT to build, title, and flip old Puchs and Garellis all the time.

That sucks. The fact that every state seems to have different rules, seems a bit weird in 2023. Here in VA you need the title signed over to you, a bill of sale, a passed inspection, and proof of insurance (and residence) to get a title and registration. I just bought a non-runner project that I'm going to try to get running. I'm currently trying to figure out if I can just get the title in my name without registering it for road use....until I get it back on the road. I like your idea about buying land in Vermont and selling square foot parcels. I'm sure there's places in Vermont where you can buy land for super cheap. Someone could probably make money doing that. Or they could do it because they love vintage motorcycles.

I ran into a similar issue with my 65 truck recently. I had the title but the owner signed it in the wrong spot, which invalidated the title. The bad part, he signed it 20 years ago and passed away around that time too. So the truck sat abandoned in the back yard of someones place for 20 years. The daughter of the P/O of the truck sold it to me and gave me a bill of sale. I figured with that and the old title there was something that could be done.. nope, living in Arizona they told me I had to do a bonded title, the issue, the bond amount is based on the Average retail of the vehicle currently based on the NADA website. I paid 700 for a rusted, neglected farm truck.. NADA average cost of a 1965 F100, $30,000 so I had to get a bond in the amount of $45,000 which came out to be 700.00 I had to pay for the bond. I dont have money laying around so it was hard to come up with that amount of money. I had everything showing that I had the right to the truck a notarized bill of sale also stating that the daughter waved all rights to the truck, as the inheritor of his estate and the title. But because it was an out of state title signed in the wrong spot and not notarized, they forced me to go through the bonded title route. I have a 1967 Suzuki T20 that I was going to rebuild, but without a title that sat in a salvage yard for the better part of 30+ years, I am thinking of just shelving it. I was going to do the Vermont thing, but I am not going to do the bonded title crap again.

The way it ought to work would be a simple form you send in with a copy of the bill of sale, some pictures of the vehicle, an explanation of why you don’t have a title, and a small fee. DMV folks check out the vin for theft and most recent registration if possible. If the application checks out, some official, whether it be a cop or a dmv person will call you and schedule to meet for a physical inspection to verify the vehicle exists, and then issues a title. The whole thing should cost less than 100 bucks and take no more than a 30 days to complete. I have seen this done with a homemade trailer before. Though not exactly the same circumstance, it shouldn’t be any more difficult.

we here in europe have a system to get duplicate, it just depends on if its stolen title or lost. by stolen one you just make an report at local police station to get a paper that you are assumed owner with buying bill and you can order at general import company an duplicate. by loyt one you need to apply an lost report at city hole department for lost things. with it and personal papers youngo to the police, youngat there like in other case an paper from police that you are owner they check it if that bike is reported as stolen. and so on, normal police work... and than you order an duplicate title at general importing company. it takes a little bit of time, but if everything is clean you get the title. 👍

I am agreeing with you 100%. I live in the province of Quebec in Canada and I wanted to put a totaled bike back on the road. I did everything I was told to do and they were always wanting something more from me. I was abit frustrated. Funny thing is, when I was talking to the government guy, he told me I was too honest... Can you believe that?

Probably 20 years ago you also needed to be a resident in VT to register like they want you to be now. I just got a street address by renting an ups store box and have your cell phone bill sent there(most dmv’s consider this a utility bill). They allow 2 addresses on the application form. Street address and mailing address. You use the ups store address as the street address but use your out of state address as the mailing address. It was no questions asked. I’m pretty sure this will still work. They consider any person who has property(an address) there a resident and can register cars even if you do not live there full time. This will work better if you are within driving distance and not mailing it in.

Ive thought about making my own steering necks, (definitely not weld over the serial number and file it smooth) Then register as a custom build.😮

Here in Holland we have the RDW this is international there the only one that do everything love your video's super cool :)

There are service companies in Tennessee that will title a vehicle for you. You have to sell it to them and buy it back titled in Tennessee. The fee you pay for the service doesn’t include the taxes and fees but usually fairly priced.

Here in Oklahoma there are people that create income through the Oklahoma Title 42. It's a step by step process of going through some steps to get a legal title for any vehicle. These people will do all the paper work and all the legal steps you need to follow and get you the title to your vehicle legally. You might give it a look and see what you can do legally through oklahoma's title 42 process. You can do it yourself as well but you'll have to go through it all yourself, which will require you to do some research on what steps to take.

Did we ever find i different way? I have an awesome bike that's ready to be back on the road. I want to do everything legal, and im not scared to pay the state (MO) some money. The poor bike just sits in my garage sad because it can't stretch its legs. Any info would help, and thanks for making a video on this topic.

i live in vermont and for us here if we buy a car from out of state we have to call the local pd and they come do a vin check to make sure it is not stolen and sign off on it then we bring that with a bill of sale to the dmv i think others states should do this same thing for older cars

Anyone know if I can keep renewing my existing vermont reg?

damn. i just got my VT reg in NJ but still have to go to DMV here to get the title.... still watching video but am curious if I can STILL go to NJDMV and do the exchange.

Im more of a fan of rhe state level vs the feds.. not going down that road :) ive used both mechanics liens and bonded titles in Tx as a motorcycle shop owner. The ultimate problem is, at least imo is everything is a paon in the ass when you try to get anything handled with the local government ( Harris county texas is Houston). You can go to 3 different dmv windows and get 9 contradictory answers. If rhey dont understand all the rules how can we understand them. So what im trying to say is out new process should implore the KISS method. Btw. Great vids man! Love the content

I just used the Vermont loophole at my Tennessee DMV yesterday. Worked like a charm. Is it just in Missouri that this new rule applies? I sent my paperwork to Vermont in early June, and got my registration and plate last week. Took the reg to the DMV yesterday, asked me if I had a title, I said VT does not issue titles on vehicles over 15 years old, he said ok then entered all the information, gave me a new TN reg and plate, said title would be sent in the mail.

Excellent video and from the comments it’s obvious that the law is all over the place on this thing. If we could have nice bipartisan things in this country, which it appears that we can’t, a congressman or senator from one of the states, could join with other Congressmen to sponsor a uniform model code to be adopted in all states such that vehicles validly registered in one state would be recognized in other states for registration and licensing. Throw in a requirement for a stolen vehicle check on the VIN number (both frame and engine) & get that model code adapted and we have some sense restored. Anyway thank you for the video.

Like you said there needs to be a set of requirements. 1.) Not reported stolen. 2.) Over 20 years old (makes more sense not to have a title). 3.) Bill of sale with a notary. 4.) Submit information about vehicle to motor vehicle. 5.) Pay $100.00 to retitle and make it legal.

Unfortunately, you will get very few States to go along with the one title is good in every state scenario. I know that certain states, such as California, are very strict when it comes titling and title classifications. Some of my fellow Cobra replica owners have found that out the hard way when they purchased a Cobra in another State and then tried to bring it to California.