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I worked at Stacy's from 85 to 89. Carson Poole owned it. Bob Sugg was the manager. Stacy's or the Sound Shop were the Places to work in VPM. Best pizza, fries and shakes ever. I was a cruiser . Got my first traffic ticket in this parking lot. Got engaged in this parking lot. Got ready for my Wedding at Merle Norman in this mall. My sons first trip out of the house at 3 days old was to VPM. What many people dont remember is that back in the day Nobles Bakery used to be in the mall as well. And the best store ever.....A magic shop!!! Yeah Im pretty old LOL....48 in 2 weeks.....But I grew up in this mall. I loved it. A million memories live here. RIP VPM.

This mall is in my hometown. Stacie’s had really good subs and fries. When I was growing up, we went to the Sound Station music shop to get Ticketmaster concert tickets. My grandma loved to go to JC Penney and Belk and eat at the Chick-fil-A. After I graduated college, I feel like the only things left were Foot Locker, Belk, and the DMV.

I believe Karen was the only mallwalker, everyone else was running ahead to get away.

In 1979 Carson Poole (the nephew of Roy) opened “The Biscuit House” where Stacy’s was. In 1983 Stacy Plummer started making payments and opened it as Stacy’s. In 84 I started as manager. That same year Stacy Plummer skipped town with instructions to continue making deposits. After a few months of the bills not being paid. We had to close. The next day we opened back up under ownership of Carson Poole.

You were brave going in that elevator. If it had got stuck who would hear the alarm?

This is the mall I grew up in, I can see the past as you walk around.

So many memories in this mall. So many unique stores in the 80’s. So sad to see such a huge space wasted.

Expressions was sort of a home decor store. Stacy’s has the best cheeseburgers and hand dipped ice cream! I remember going to the mall as a child (I was born in 86) it used to be the place to go! There was a chick fil a, dollar tree, game room, Claire’s, rack room, foot locker, hibbits sports, KB toy store etc. you could go there and do ALL your Christmas shopping!

When something with "bible" pops up in a mall it is like its getting the "last sacrament", a sure sign it is dying.

I was sitting at the kitchen table watching this video and my wife yelled from the living room, "are you shaving in the kitchen"? It was the lights buzzing in the video. Great presentation of another beautiful dead mall.

My god... So many memories rushed to me throughout this video. Kinston is where I was born and raised. The mall was my stomping grounds for YEARS! I'd say between the years 2000 and 2006 was when I was there often. Use to go there to shop and eat at Stacy's, Chick-fil-A, and Andy's (now Hwy 55). Also, I used to get my hair cut at the barber shop that was right beside Expressions. During my teenage years, I'd go there to hang out all day with friends, go on dates with girls, and skateboard outside the mall. They had a place called the Alternative Shop, which is where I would hang out and shop most of the time. They did piercings, sold skateboard related things, swords, daggers, incense, tapestries, adult toys, and all kinds of awesome stuff. They also had a suit of armor and a Morning Star weapon. The arcade was always a hotspot, as well. There was Radio Shack where I got my electronics. And, how could I forget the candy store! There were so many different kinds of candy in bulk that you could choose from that were in dispensers. You just grabbed a bag and filled it up with whatever candy you wanted and the man would charge by weight. Ahh... the good ol' days. At one time, they had a place named Animal Jungle which was a pet store. That's where I first saw a capuchin monkey; her name was Cassie. I have so many wonderful memories there and I hate to see it dead and empty like this. It used to be alive and thriving, especially during Christmas time. They would have a small train ride for kids, a huge tree, presents, huge displays, and a Santa Clause that would let kids sit on his lap and tell him what they wanted for Christmas. It was so wholesome and really got you into the Christmas spirit. Although I moved out of Kinston about 20 years ago, I would still love to see someone bring it back to life. I would definitely take a trip there every once in a while to soak in the nostalgia. Thanks for the video!

I live in Kinston. I actually worked in that mall from 1995-2006.. then from 2012-2014. There was a Jewelry Box, Eckerds, Cato's, Sound shop(record store) Take Ten(arcade spot) Maurice's, Goodys, Hibbets, Foot locker, Shoe Show, V.I.P(tuxedo rental), Earing Tree, Claire's, Wrack room shoes, Chic fil la, Hwy 55, and Stacys... the best blt's and seasoned fries. It def has changed over the years

Those WB ads wore interesting to see and keep in mind Bernie Mac passed away in 2008!

I gotta say, this mall looks real spooky at this hour. And given that only the barbershop is still open... You could probably film a horror movie back there. Would love to go back to this place, but I feel it may be too late now...

Awesome video as always but dear baby Jesus Karen was terrifying!!!!

The vernon Park mall was great in 80s ans 90s I grow up going there and worked at penny's as did my mom a very different time lol. Hers being 20 years before me. Stacys was the hang out and take ten. It's so sad that it's all gone now.

That 50th anniversary comment kinda got me emotional. Now I feel bad for this mall.

VPM in the day was the place to be, to shop, meet friends, eat and just have a good time. The memories of July 4th and the fireworks show after the mall closed and there was Christmas time. The mall parking lot overflowing across the streets into every vacant parking spot around the mall. The center part of the mall filled with decorations and Wow the people. So many people from all over, young and old, and you could barely move. Then came the changes to Kinston and I really believe one of the biggest reasons for VPM's death and the same reason Kinston died. Kinston truly was the hub of eastern Carolina in the day. Kinston was home to textiles and tobacco which gave it a foundation for jobs and money. Kinston had an airport with the only jet flight services in Eastern NC. Some companies began to move in giving Kinston a bright future for more growth. Then all the textile companies began to close, shirt factories, twine and fabric making companies gone, along with the jobs. The real death blow was the change in the tobacco markets and how tobacco was grown and sold and the really big money was gone. During that time Kinston was run by 2 or 3 very wealthy families and nothing happened here unless they approved, still it was a great place to live. However, the ruling family's decisions to stop other businesses from coming, left Kinston to stagnate. The other towns Greenville, New Bern, and Goldsboro grew while more and more businesses in Kinston closed. This meant young people had to move to find a job that paid more than minimum wage. There are groups, some local government, and people doing what they can to bring Kinston back but it will never be what it was in the day.

Spiritual successor to Dan Bell's Dead Mall Series. I love this, keep em coming please

My mall!!! Okay so from what I remember (could be mistaken), Expressions was a home decor store. It was kind of tacky, lots of hot pink and lime green. There was also a lot of Christmas decorations too. I don't think it lasted too long, and I want to say it closed before both Sears and JCPenney. There used to be a Chick-fil-a and an Andy's (now Hwy 55) in that food court area. There was a card/candy store next to that Take II arcade that I loved. It was a good horrible mall.

Loved the video!! Holy cow.. this hurts my heart. I grew up coming here, I got my school clothes from goody’s! And ALWAYS had to visit the big ol kitty in the pet store. 💔

Brilliant. Thanks for that, beautifully produced. A pleasure to watch. I don’t know why I find these films so depressing, perhaps it’s because I lived through the glory years of Malls and it remind me of a time in my youth, when these sprawling buildings actually were the centre of the village, the town square of you like. They were our meeting places, our social events, a way to spend pocket money, discovery of the self ..... You capture the essence of these places, and reverently recapture the glory of a by gone era. Your films are going to be viewed in the future much like we look back on the early films of the 19 century- snapshots into a way of life that is familiar yet represents a way of life we can’t quite relate to, a period of consumerism. Prosperity and a way of life unique to the twentieth century. Thank you for your work.

I grew up in Kinston. This was THE place to hang out in the mid 80s to the late 90s. And yes....Stacies was that good! The sound shop was the only record store in town. It was great.

Love the interior of this mall you can tell it's late 80s early 90s looking, so sad tho R.I.P Vernon Park Mall

I have so many memories in this mall. Thanks for bringing them all back :) Actually had me tear up a bit..

I always expect to see a fully functioning Gamestop operating in these videos.

Expressions was a store with gifts and home decor and crafts - similar to the floral arrangements and wreaths for sale at Michael’s. They also had craft supplies and party supplies. They had a lot of wedding stuff in there too. I worked at Chick-fil-A there for several years in high school and college. So sad to see it now. When I was growing up in the 90s this was the place to be. Much of my childhood spent here.

Vernon Park Mall went through a major renovation between late 1991 thru mid 1992. New ceramic tile replaced the original tounge and groove wood flooring,the center court "Pit" was filled in,an interior repaint throughout and the addition of the three illuminated architectural "wings" at the front entrance. I know this because I started my employment there during that time as an electrical/HVAC tech. Having grown up in Kinston, I very much remember how VPM was originally, after the Brody's wing in '81, and after its renovation. On a typical Friday or Saturday night it was almost impossible to find a parking space anywhere. And yes, it truly hurts to see what that mall has become. If only those walls could talk.

Karen the Mallwalker has that Serial Killer face about her.

Odd that The WB posters would remain for so long since The WB was nolonger broadcasting after 2006.

It sure is sad to see all these malls that were so thriving and now they're dead makes me kind of sad to even look at it knowing that people's lives were in that mall

"The mercury vapor matrix wing" - best dead mall descriptive language EVER. Another great production, Sal - a pleasure to watch as always.

❤❤Love Love Love!!! I was born in Kinston in 86, there are soooo many memories I have here as a child!!! Thanks so much for sharing!!!!

The place actually looks in really good shape for its age

Ive asked and begged you to go here and it happened i was so exited when i saw this video in my recommended box this is my favorite mall

Hi Sal, Expressions (from what I can remember as a kid) was a giant home decor superstore in the early 2000s. Probably comparable to a HomeGoods or a Pottery Outlet of today. I was born and raised in Kinston NC and actually had my very first job at the age of 16 working in the JCPenney at VPM. Stacy's had FANTASTIC hotdogs and was a frequent stop for ice cream as well. Hope some of this sheds some light on your visit 👍

It's amazing how some malls end up shuttering, but then others still thrive.

I live just up the road from Kinston on highway 70. What a death hole of a place. VPM only reflects how far behind the world this area is. Thanks for doing this video. Great work. Go to Cary next.

12:14 "Boxers" ... "Briefs" ... "Commando, Baby!"

Excellent video. Well produced. Captured the eerie vibe from a dead mall. These videos are always so depressing for two reasons. 1) All the effort, money, time and they couldn't keep people coming in the doors, and 2) All that real estate, material, building space going to waste. I wish there was an easy solution to at least find an alternative use for such buildings, like small companies, office space for companies that don't necessarily deal with the public directly. At least the electricity still works.

the warner ads are incredible

I'm sure there's some old VHS camcorder cassettes laying around with all kinds of video from this mall in the eighties.

Thanks for the elevator. Love seeing old cars that have not been modernized.

@6:14 - dead ahead 50 or so feet, in the center of the mall, used to be a pit area, for shoppers to sit and smoke. Three stairs round about the pit area, with small walls around which you could also sit on top of if you wanted to. When they tore that down, between 1992 and 1995, it was tragic.

Great video Sal. Notwithstanding the renovations of the past, the mall still holds a lot of character. It's not hard to envision what it may have looked like in it's heyday. The WB went defunct in 2006, them ads is old.

Man I miss sound shop that was our spot growing up

I grew up in Kinston and still live several miles out. You would not believe how much this place used to thrive. The first restaurant you stopped in with the two levels was named "Staceys". They had good burgers, hot dogs, and seasoned fries. This mall had everything! The Sound Shop was the place to be in the 80's and 90's for albums and the latest CD's. Take Ten was the arcade with all the latest games. Back on the outside of the mall was what us teenagers recognized as "the Hill". We used to cruise around the mall constantly on the weekends and hang out until around 11 or 12pm. It's a shame to see how this place has ended up. The owners jacked up the rent so high that no business can survive there anymore.

Wow usually after you say thanks for watching I leave the video, but I realized there was still a bit left, and that's when I saw that commercial. Nice touch.

Ironically, the downtown area of Kinston a couple of miles east of the mall is undergoing renovation and upgrades streets, new restaurants and breweries, replaced bridges over the Neuse river, etc.

I worked at Brody's from 90 to 93. So many great memories of this mall in its hay day..

Playing old commercials in the background in these videos is like hearing the mall's ghosts. Nice touch.

I remember getting my ears pierced at Claire’s when I was in elementary school, getting Superman Ice cream from staceys and even eating at chic fil a in the mall...so sad. The mall has potential but people often travel out of kinston to go shopping.

I spent many days in that place in the 70's and 80's. I would ride my bike down there and spend all day. In 1982, I got my first job at Chick Fil A. They competed with Harold's Family Favorites down the hall. Near where that Brody's was built in early 80's, the Barrel of Fun was a huge hit as a video arcade. Spent many quarters there! There was a fountain near the center of the place...and a stage, I think. Tobacco and DuPont left town...so the economy of Kinston suffered. If you go, stop by Mother Earth brewery instead and eat at The Chef and the Farmer restaurant! Then watch “A Chef’s Life” on PBS to learn more about Ktown.

I recall them doing renovation work to the mall about 2004, when the front entrance had the blue steel sloped roofs added, as before all the mall had was flat roofs. The brick walls were painted the current hues, but before they were a buff yellow toned color with dark brown accents. You can see arches with narrow columns of brick one wide protruding as the original design in the masonry through the paint job, on the outside of Belk and JC Penney. It was the raised brick details which were the brown bricks, to give the walls a contrasting look like that of an arched bridge with multiple segments. The rest of the original two-story building only had the columns of brick one wide all the way up to the cornice without the arches. The outside of the one-story addition has formed concrete panels framed by brick, as I also remember were dark brown. I recall the cornice over JC Penney had decorative concrete panels, before they were replaced with the current flat panels. Since I moved to Kinston in 1992, next to the theatre in the out parcel is a duplex storefront building, where numerous short lived restaurants were located, such as Tommy's, Sapphires, and more recently Capones, but most of the time the space has been vacant.

Karen Mallwalker's slowed down singing is pure nightmare fuel.

When the Global Transpark gets those 100,000 jobs that were promised then the mall will flourish.

Love your work Sal, but jesus christ Karen scares the ever living shit out of me LOL

Memories...all we have left.

Another amazing video. Although the image of the elderly women’s birthday actually pulled at my heartstrings. Such a sad property.

Stacy’s has great fries with seasoning and that was back when not many of any restaurants had seasoning on their fries, Expressions had high end housewares. Expressions sold Christmas trees for alot$, some got up to $900 but I think they came with all the decor on them!

OMG! I grew up in Kinston. Vernon Park Mall was a big teenager hangout when I was in high school. My mother used to work at the mall...first at Belk's in the china department, then at Brody's, one of the anchor stores; Brody's was eventually bought out by Proffit's. I spent a lot of hours shopping at the mall when I first had money. I remember using a lot of the money earned from my part-time job to buy clothes for college at the Vernon Park Mall JCPenney. There was a big arcade there at the mall, too. Vernon Park Mall was actually a bustling place when I was growing up; Kinston was sort of the commerce hub for the small farming communities in the surrounding region. For many of them, making the trip to Kinston was a big deal back in the day. Above the mall, up a small hill, there was a two-screen movie theater, a Beach Bingo and a grocery store, at one time a Winn-Dixie. My memory is fading now, but I think the mother of either Charles Shackleford or Jerry Stackhouse opened up a country restaurant on that little strip mall on the hill a few years after I left for college. My father died in 2017, and I haven't been back to Kinston since the funeral. At that time, Belk was still operating and the only other tenant I knew of was the DMV, and it was rumored that Belk would be closing soon. I see by your video that has apparently happened.

That sign said “authorized personal only” 🙄🤧

My favorite mall to go to growing up in the 90s! Stacy's had the best ice cream! The mall was always decorated beautifully at Christmas and there was a train that went around the Santa Claus display that you could buy tickets to ride.

I live in Denton North Carolina and we have a dead mall in High Point called Oak Hollow Mall. I loved that mall when it was full of stores and a theater. Now High Point University owns it and I'm not sure what will become of it but it is still used. It would be a good expedition for you. Great video on this one I've been to Kingston many times. Love your channel.

The Karen the mallwalker clip was a true find my friend! Your story telling is truly unique and we need more.🍿🥤

I am born and raised in kinston NC..... I grew up going to this mall in the 90s.... I remember the toy store, pet store, Reebok store, arcade.... and I remember getting ice cream at Stacy’s...I also remember Santa and the train would be in the center ..... so many memories of my childhood

Man I remember VIP the tuxedo shop, Andy's, the arcade, the DMV was there FOREVER. If I ever won the lotto I would buy this place and make the rent dirt cheap for a long time until businesses got on their feet good again. I would love to just see it up and running again with some new places in there like a laser tag and cool activities for kids and teenagers.

I have a solution for a lot of these malls. In these small communities, the local government has dated infrastructures. Being that this mall is 50 years old, the spaces can be repurposed for many things the rural communities need but might be falling apart. Many of these places need to be torn down and rebuilt. But a lot of these places could utilitze these abandoned shopping centers for up to a decade while plans are enacted. Some of the ideas that could go into them: Post Office Retirement Homes Indoor Farms Breweries 24hour Medical Department Public Service Offices/Courtrooms Indoor Long Term Storage Intermodal Transit/Bus/Taxi Station Schools and Community Colleges Public Libraries Etc... The space is there and I guarantee the infrastructure is there. I also bet the rent would be negotiable just to get tenants.

I used to go to this mall in 90s as a kid. Great memories!!!!! It had an arcade, a toy store, dollar tree. Lots of teens hung out there on the weekends with nothing else to do in Ktown!

3:00 That poor woman. I hope one day, she makes a full recovery from whatever it is that plagues her...

that teal bench...!

Grew up going here! So sad to see it abandoned now☹️

Frozen pizza in the oven,dr.p in the freezer..cigar and lighter by chair...I think I'm ready..let the countdown begin.

Always love the new video releases Sal. Keep them coming. The random videos of "karen" and the other eclectic commercials are always a great watch! Sending love and support by Patreon!

I worked at Brodys when it moved there in 1981. My dentist office was upstairs for years.

This was a very fun place to be in the 90's. I have very fond memories of going to the KB toys, the arcade and eating at Stacy's.

I remember going to the mall. Everyone loved going. I worked at JC Penny during the CHRISTMAS season in 1970 in the jewelry department. Would take my son with me when he was 3ish. He remembers holding my hand and looking at all the people and lights. My folks still live there. I miss that mall dearly 😢

Amazing log Sal, that mall makes me sad seeing it just empty like that.

Had a lot of good memories in this mall as a kid and teenager back in the 90s and 00s this feels nostalgic very cool footage😁👍

This is my mall!! I grew up going here every weekend. I never understood why they wouldn’t take the old WB posters down 😂 it’s really sad that the mall has nothing in it anymore, we have to go 30-45 minutes away now to go to a mall. It’s so weird that you filmed here but thank you for doing it!

This mall meant everything to me 😔

I really liked how you pointed out the unique lighting !

Hopping on here to learn where this mall is or was😉 Thank you Sal and team... Fun ,silly, and interesting stuff.

Stacy’s was so awesome! They had the best ice cream and we would order the seasoned fries to go with it. I remember going there when I was as young as 8 or 9 into my teens. I’m 36 now.

I was raised in Kinston and the mall was ALWAYS the place to hang out. I started “hanging out” there around 1990. Stacy’s had the best pizza subs and fries, sound shop was the place to buy all your favorite music and concert tickets, chick-fil-a was down by the little dmv office…If you couldn’t find someone, they were probably at the mall. If you weren’t hanging inside, you were hanging outside in the parking lot, and if you weren’t hanging in the parking lot then you were driving your car around the mall repeatedly. The hangouts there were like no other. Literally groups of friends just standing around at every corner and it seemed like everyone knew everyone. I remember the dance studio upstairs where I took dance lessons. Dance etc was the name of it. It was definitely always the place to be. Too bad it’s a waste now.

"Mall Walking with Karen" had me in stitches! How do you find these treasures? Thank you, Sal! This was a great experience. The stationary blue dining tables in that cluster was a very unusual place for it.

Just found your channel, and i gotta be honest im kind of in love. Keep up the good work.

Well done Sal. Your videos are a pleasure to watch.

Anchors were Belk, Sears, and Woolco that had two grocery stores...one was Colonial Stores/Big Star And the other side was A&P opened in 1968. It was Eastern North Carolina first indoor mall.

What a great find! Amazing that they kept the lights on and everything looking superficially maintained (buzzing and misspelled signs excepted) that long with effectively one indoor shop left.

This is the area my grandparents lived around.. I remember this mall as I grew up. I remember the Brody's extension being new.. at that time the older end was looking old and the stores on that end we on the low end. In the late 80's it was busy. My grandmother hated me going into the arcade, she thought they were slot machines.

I used to go here as a kid (early 2000’s). There were a few shops but there was definitely some business during those times. I went there often to a candy shop owner by a old couple, the arcade next to it. And the pet shop that was there. The pet shop was exiting to me because they had a TIGER surrounded by koi. And a monkey in a diaper. Now thinking of it, it’s messed up but when your a kid, you have no thought. The last time i went was when Belk was still open but the rest of the mall was closed off, my child like senses always wanted to know what was on the second floor and i never got to see it. Thanks to this video now i know!!

Quite a nice looking mall for being pretty old! Kinda reminds me of Anthony's mall a little but still has its own uniquities!

I really haven't been back here in decades because it's depressing. @8:39 You're in what used to be the main hang out area for a lot of kids from the late 80s to 90s; this was Take 10 our arcade, beside it was a Dollar Tree, in front of the area were sitting chairs, and opposite those was Andy's Cheasesteaks. Beside Dollar Tree was Chick-fil-a and in front of it was Footlocker. Through the glass doors to the parking lot was one of the big hang out spots for kids, and long ago catty corner to the parking lot was one of two movie theaters in town (I remember watching the Ninja Turtles movie there). It saddens me to see the mall like this, but this is the result of bad decisions from older folks in power. BK

Hi Sal, I absolutely love your channel and was extremely touched by your Burlington Center Mall exlog. I visited it regularly in my childhood and early twenties being born in Trenton it was the more interesting choice than the others in the area. Anyway i have a suggestion, have you seen the state of The Playground Pier in Atlantic City? You should do that one in the near future. It's probably themost aesthetically pleasing dead mall ive seen in my lifetime. Anyway keep it rolling, I absolutely admire your commitment to documenting these places.👍👍👍

This is so sad. This mall was the center of everything in Kinston. Fire works from the grounds next to it, Stacys, the sunglass hut, KB toys, pretzels plus, it once had so much to offer. During the holidays vendors would sale their crafts throughout the halls. Oh there was a water fountain at the center court.

Yes. The mall initially had a rectangular fountain located beside the elevator (at 19:19), on the side nearest the center "intersection" spot of the mall. The fountain was removed in the mid to late '70's, for whatever reason. As far as I know, the center intersection area never contained a fountain, although that area was remodeled several times through the years, from elevations, to benches, to flower containers, etc.

Wow I'm super surprised how clean it is There!! But its def a super cool Mall Still

I grew up in this Mall. I have tons and tons of stories. Bought my first Star Wars figure at the Roses before it was renovated. Cant tell you how many quarters I spent at the Barrel of Fun (then turned to Take Ten) Arcade. There was a K & K Toys beside the arcade (before K & B) Bought my first concert ticket (Grateful Dead Greensboro 89) at The Sound Shop, and later on Belks had a ticketmaster in the back. Stacys was our little hang out and Harolds was on the corner before Stacys, I remember there was a shoe store that had a monkey in a cage in the back. The Doughnut Man. Eckards drug store. Hallmark store. Everybody got their ears pierced at the little kiosk in the middle of the mall. Walden books. The sugar shop across from the Chick Fila. Got my first pair of Kangaroos, and throwing stars from the Sportscard? I think that is what it was called. We use to skateboard in and around the mall every weekend. There was Tshirt place that did heat transfers on shirts...I had Smurf baseball jersey with my name on the back that I wore to the skating rink on the weekend night we where not at the mall. Got my first Iron Maiden shirt there too. My aunt worked at JCPennys or as we called it Pennys. I remember when Brodys opened and it was the upscale store...we didnt shop there much but I did get a couple of swatch watches from there....and yes I wore them both at the same time on the the same arm. There was cool old black man that use to be in the mall every single day. They called him House...He made these amazing huge hats and canes and walked the mall daily, had gold teeth. John Vacuum cleaner shop was also a magic shop and joke store. Our dentist Dr. Hoodock was upstairs....he smoked and when you went there and he did work on your mouth you could taste it. My parents would drop us off every Friday or Sat. night we would hand out at the mall then walk to the movie theatre and they would pick us up at 11. After they stopped us from cruising Fairfield Park we would cruise around the mall and burger king. We did everything at the Mall...Everything.