Very Unfair Attacks in Fighting Games (with

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#streetfighter #guiltygear #fightinggames
Asked Lord ‪@Brian_F‬ to come through and talk about some attacks he thinks are pretty cheap and he sure did deliver! In this video, Brian F and I share three attacks each that we both think are really strong. Brian F specifically references Street Fighter V exclusively as a send off to the game before Street Fighter 6 releases tomorrow (today? later?)
0:00 - Welcome Brian F
0:51 - Brian's first choice
9:43 - LK's first choice
17:00 - Brian's second choice
25:36 - LK's second choice
32:15 - Brian's third choice
44:45 - LK's last choice
50:00 - Emergent gameplay, past and present
56:59 - Outro
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@LordKnightfgc Жыл бұрын

I am politely asking you to subscribe (or else)

@ElaDkaz Жыл бұрын

LK i like you're videos very much, but please either change your mic or lower your the input gain it's off putting to the ear and sound a bit unprofessional🧡

@lainfromthewired6683 Жыл бұрын

I am asking them to sub too

@luisbo3 Жыл бұрын

@vainamoinen504 Жыл бұрын

Just this once...

@LordKnightfgc Жыл бұрын

@@ElaDkaz trying to work on it, I'm not a fan of this mic really and I want to switch to something else soon 😭

@i.ftekhar Жыл бұрын

Love how Brian F actively engages with the games he’s not familiar with and asks questions, and seems to be genuinely interested

@nobodygoodfr9556 Жыл бұрын

It’s crazy how much of a skill it is to talk with people genuinely when you know you’re recording

@alhyena2002 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, he seems like he's enjoying the conversation instead of just recording for content, it's nice to see

@zanpakutoman4225 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, sometimes you can tell someone's trying to show interest, in videos like this. But, they go COMPLETELY silent while the explanation is going on, until the person talking emphasizes something. I think it's fair that you can't force someone to be interested. But, I feel like there are better ways to treat it than just going "OH~ That's crazy~" when the person talking finishes their thought.

@notsoberoveranalyzer8264 Жыл бұрын

@@nobodygoodfr9556 Articulating your thoughts, having a strong vocabulary ( Not just a good one, but a vast one. So you can always communicate effectively to anyone. It’s pointless to have a vocabulary in which most the words you use aren’t regularly used by anyone else, or the majority of people. As, you may come off as arrogant, showy, or you’ll just be bad at communicating. Which is the entire point). Being able to socialize, regardless of what you feel or are experiencing~ These skill sets are unbelievably valuable. Always have been, always will be. It’s precisely due to these skills, men have ruled over nations with no prior experience. It’s how so many get jobs, even if they don’t have the skill set, it’s also fantastic for team building, and strengthening your weaker areas. There’s a reason that so many cultures and languages all through history have praised those with these skills .

@notsoberoveranalyzer8264 Жыл бұрын

@@nobodygoodfr9556 I kinda went off topic. I was just pretty much backing up what you were saying.

@Lazergician Жыл бұрын

Brian is easily the best crossover guest in the FGC in my opinion. He's well informed, interested in learning about games he doesn't play, and to me is very personable. Everyone's got different preferences of course, but IMO, get this man back here!

@tearitup5864 Жыл бұрын

Him and Sajam, jwong was good too

@MrBones105 Жыл бұрын

Brian is like one of the most socially well adjusted FG players. A diamond in the rough.

@maxwellscott-bz8bf Жыл бұрын

@@MrBones105him and Sajam or Wong in America (older/maturity helps)

@illford6921 6 ай бұрын

@@maxwellscott-bz8bf Sajam isn't even that old tho, he's like 29. Justin Wong just plays anything that's a fighting game. You could ask him about anything from Smash to Ultra Fight and he'd probably be very interested

@julesk4778 Жыл бұрын

But look how happy big brian is talking abt oro

@Spectrik 3 ай бұрын

I know, right? He sounds extremely passionate about this game, and it's really wholesome

@samuraileo1 Жыл бұрын

50:50 BrianF’s slow realization that anime players just don’t block killed me

@mercury6032 Жыл бұрын

LMAOOOOO

@MoonlitRose101 Жыл бұрын

Why hold back when you can just go forward

@chasemcfarland2851 Жыл бұрын

Can't beat the shit outta my opponent without getting closer

@noah-ux2cz Жыл бұрын

Maybe they were just scared to take the 50:50

@theblackbasketball 3 ай бұрын

@@noah-ux2czThis comment caught me off guard lmao

@kamesennin4444 Жыл бұрын

I understand why Brian was so perplexed by bacchus sigh; LK didn’t explain Johnny or his mechanics enough. Blue burst specifically caused the glitch, and Johnny only ever used bacchus when going for an unblock-able. So if he goes for it in this instance, he should be baiting burst for one. But also Johnny is a level up character. He has to spend his coins to level up his mist finer stance and make the cancels better. If he releases the move he spends all his levels. That’s why Johnny doesn’t use Mist Finer without canceling it on block, his block pressure falls apart without levels, and so do his confirms (the main things that make him so good). He does use mist finer release a lot in neutral like LK said, but that’s only at level 1. Conclusion, Johnny doesn’t want to spend Mist Finer without reward and being able to coin up + the consensus of losing mist when hit made people not find the bug for quite a while.

@seijiikari9395 Жыл бұрын

Yeah I think LK missed that when explaining the mechanics, it’s all well and good to know when he hits level 3 he can cancel normals to make them safe but without knowing leveling is not a permanent install you wouldn’t realize why it’s not used that way

@kevingriffith6011 Жыл бұрын

9:23 It's a shame it took them so long to add some saucy characters to the game, but the late additions all had some fun stuff to play with. Menat, G, Kage, Gill, Seth, Rose, Akira, Oro... I swear some of these characters launched with more sauce than the entire season 1 cast combined.

@NeoBoneGirl Жыл бұрын

That's just kinda Street Fighter. A lot of the sauce is either gimmicks or it's accidental (like Aegis Reflector unblockables)

@LordKnightfgc Жыл бұрын

It's a tough thing on the dev side because (this is a theory btw just based on what I've seen), I think devs are scared of making characters too broken and the game getting a bad rap, so they play it safe with the launch roster, see how the game plays, and then go from there. Obv the s1 dlc roster is planned in advance, but they have time to wait and see what type of tactics are strong, how people use resources, mechanics etc

@mudgepeeman3508 Жыл бұрын

Don't forget about dan

@JJStylies Жыл бұрын

@@LordKnightfgc there's also the fact that the longer devs can watch players of their game, the better they understand and can balance a more complicated thing. On top of that, starting with the basic shoto and iterating from there makes a lot of sense from a development standpoint.

@Just.Kidding Жыл бұрын

@@LordKnightfgc I think you're partially right in that it _used_ to be that way, but thankfully - as we can see with SF6 - the new heads of the fighting game division are taking things in a simply better direction.

@genny_generic Жыл бұрын

oh love to see the brain_f collab. love this series, i really enjoy learning about specifically interesting fighting game things.

@Simon_E32 Жыл бұрын

10/10, Brian seemed so interested in understanding each move/setup

@NeoBoneGirl Жыл бұрын

I think the reason that the Bacchus Sigh glitch wasn't found for so long was partly because of slow information but it's also like how I think LK was trying to say but didn't really explain well, is that unless it was unleveled mist finer, you'd never just DO it, since levels are an important resource and you usually want to keep them unless you can get something you know is guaranteed, because better Mist Finer is too good to give up for nothing. Even if someone just did a leveled mist finer in neutral and it hit unblockable, it would be easy to chalk it up to "they just got hit in neutral" instead of "they got unblockabled", since you can't clearly confirm if they were blocking or not in neutral just by watching, and getting hit could even gaslight the player into thinking "Guess I dashblocked too late" or "Guess I was holding 2 instead of 1"

@peanutbuttersf7662 Жыл бұрын

i would like to say, you are the best. as someone who did not play xrd, hearing that nobody noticed an unblockable like that for a year sounds crazy

@Dunker401 Жыл бұрын

One thing I want to add to this list is adachi B ziodyne in bbtag. A full screen projectile that lasts for like 5 seconds. In a team based game where you can switch to your partner that has really potent hi/low mix that can’t be pushblocked because it’s technically your partners move that your blocking and not the character advancing. And if that wasn’t enough if you’re close to the wall even if you burst and get hit by the very end of the projectile it causes a wall splat where you will eat a full combo anyway.

@atbtrendy9932 Жыл бұрын

Adachi deserves to be top tier

@toosquare Жыл бұрын

bbtag had worse stuff, Narukami and Jin's supers were fullscreen almost entirely unavoidable projectiles that did half your health in chip damage lol

@Dunker401 Жыл бұрын

@@toosquare yes but there supers and cost resources, and that’s only true for Jin as narukami you can still punish it from full screen. Where as adachi projectile cost no meter and your freely allowed to switch to your other character to mix.

@squeaky1238 Жыл бұрын

Ive been loving these collabs LK, you have really good synergy with every guest, which is nice to see. Another subject that would be fun would he favorite characters- characters whose gameplans you like, whose movelists you think are cool, ones that got you important wins, or just ones that are fun to play. Its fun hearing people gush about stuff they like

@bg-cc6hn Жыл бұрын

This was a really cool collab I really like how both of you were engaged in learning about different games and drawing comparisons and contrasts Really shows both the shared DNA and the unique flavor of different FGs Great video LK!

@lilliangoulston5706 Жыл бұрын

You should bring Diaphone on so he can go over crazy versus game moves I would love to see how he talks about BBTAG stuff, that game has some disgusting setups

@manboat3256 Жыл бұрын

There's just something about seeing someone most familiar with Street Fighter looking into the abyss of anime fighters. Great video

@tatarin45 Жыл бұрын

I feel like an important part of the Johnny situtation that didn't get brought up (unless I'm deaf, also a possibility) is that you're not actually going to be using Bacchus Sigh to begin with unless you're about to do an unblockable setup, and the really good setups are just everything-safe anyway so it's not like Johnny got smacked before landing the unblockable that often.

@kahlt_ Жыл бұрын

VERY surprised Brian didn't mention the Blanka time stop tbh, the single most broken thing in SFV's history

@DarkenedAuras7653 Жыл бұрын

I suspect they're not doing major bugs. That's not "unfair" so much as "entirely gamebreaking"

@SirCheeseburgur Жыл бұрын

it was also immediately banned and then patched out once it was discovered so it's not like it has much of a history to talk about

@Gilbot9000 Жыл бұрын

Man I loved this team-up. Brian was a great guest. Can't wait to see more of this!

@RedLineOneGC Жыл бұрын

Ive see ln each episode of this series...i love these discussions...this is one of the few types of vids where the host, the guest, AND the viewer learn something new about these games shouts out to you guys

@RonnyBarrier Жыл бұрын

Great video guys! Y’all have really good chemistry.

@nicolarondinella Жыл бұрын

That was a really interesting co op from both you for me that i play dbfz since release and sfv since some months. Nice content!

@troublewakingup Жыл бұрын

Oro is such a sick character specially the things oro mains recognize with the RNG Brian once showed a combo that wouldn't work with blanka-chan dolls, and he has a 0 to stun combo on low stun characters it's pretty impractical but it's sick, not even mentioning the sagas of micro optimization

@chrispinette481 Жыл бұрын

The chat with Brian at the end was great, awesome guest

@opplerdop Жыл бұрын

55:38 reminds me of the early years of people saying X or Y move has great "priority" when that straight up wasn't a system in those games and it actually just had a good hitbox

@loganrourk9223 Жыл бұрын

This is awesome content. I really enjoyed your guys’ discussion, y’all have good chemistry 😃

@ZhangHe2369 Жыл бұрын

I remember the bacchus sigh glitch had to do with hitting johnny with blue burst specifically and it only took away the animation instead of the unblockable debuff as well. Otherwise, it worked as intended with every other attack. That's why it took so long to find iirc.

@0lebull1 Жыл бұрын

This is the best version of this video so far. Great video.

@Reco-Sco Жыл бұрын

I could watch these collab videos endlessly they are so damn good.

@amesorisu Жыл бұрын

Hell yeah. LK + BRIAN F collab

@noah-ux2cz Жыл бұрын

Brian just seems genuinely terrified to watch the anime horrors unfold

@fenimore-2854 Жыл бұрын

Honestly rev1 release bacchus sigh was broken enough as is without the infinite duration bug, back when it just flat out made mist finer unlockable rather than a stagger you have to lab around

@NeoBoneGirl Жыл бұрын

You still have to, it's just that the situation is a bit better, but more importantly the combo he gets off the stagger is WAY worse than the one he'd get off the old unblockable

@96bmb Жыл бұрын

Johnny in rev1 was hella strong if not outright broken. Guilty Gear Sign Ramlethals swords were independent to her. Meaning, even if she got hit, the sword would keep swinging. Hella broken.

@fenimore-2854 Жыл бұрын

Rev 1 Johnny was so utterly busted, Satou the Johnny god quit xrd because he thought Johnny was incredibly braindead to play

@96bmb Жыл бұрын

@@fenimore-2854 Coolfactor the character tho. The Karinchu tech trap was some of the coolest stuff you could do in xrd. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nN53eKl7nNmunH0.html For how stupid good he was, he was also the coolest imo

@SauceTriplet Жыл бұрын

One thing I like about these videos is how informative it is from a Pro-High level players mindset. Good segment!

@quinnah5544 Жыл бұрын

R.I.P tengu stones, it was a joy to watch brine perform daylight robbery and filthy comebacks with oro

@bunbunkitten Жыл бұрын

This is an amazing collab!

@WiqidBritt Жыл бұрын

The Taokaka reversal reminds me of Rose's Alpha Counter. Everyone else's does some damage and knocks you back, Rose's doesn't do any damage itself but it does switch sides in the corner and leaves you open for a full combo.

@Acryte Жыл бұрын

Brian is such a cool dude, love the cameo.

@extremelydg Жыл бұрын

This was a great video, thanks LK.

@deadfr0g Жыл бұрын

Yessss! I love this series!!

@Rukifelt Жыл бұрын

Taokaka is still the best man, if it wasn't for the thumbnail, i probably wouldn't click in the video, awesome video dude

@ffxlover123 Жыл бұрын

Great video!!!

@ubermaster1 Жыл бұрын

I love how Brian's face lit up the second he saw BlazBlue on screen, he knew immediately he was gonna see some bullshit and was looking forward to it.

@Raxyz_0 Жыл бұрын

To put it into context when Brian said that just getting out of corner is already annoying: One of the patches in SFV where Cammy was Top 1, one of the reasons she was Top 1 is because if you cornered her while she had Trigger active and full meter, she could wakeup DP (one of the few "meterless" invincible DPs in the game) and cancel into CA. If you tried to meaty you'd get combo'd and put into the corner, if you blocked she was still safe from 98% of the cast because her whiffed CA in the corner moved her full screen. In short: Cornering Cammy while she had FULL resources meant that she could get out of the corner "for free" for SF standards.

@Mario_bland Жыл бұрын

I like how brian said hes going into deep into the vaults and vsav music starts playing. Fooled me so hard.

@harryf9885 Жыл бұрын

25:00 I think the “1!2!3!” voice-line also contributes to the move being as annoying as it is. That’s something important for game designers to think about. How often is a move going to be used? If it’s used constantly and is meant to be a powerful neutral tool should it really have a loud voice-line? How does the voice-line sound repeated over and over? Does it still sound good or does it make the character sound like a preschooler that just learned to count to 3? How similar is it to their other voice-lines? Another great example of a failure in this respect is pretty much every Storm voice-line in MVCS games. Anyone got some other examples?

@kindasomeviews Жыл бұрын

Meanwhile in the arcade Sailor Moon S game: Uranus's Command Grab: and Super " *_IM NOT GONNA SUGAR COAT IT_* "

@GohTheGreat Жыл бұрын

This was really damn good video

@bunnybreaker Жыл бұрын

OMG Brian F's first fighting games was SF4. I feel so old 😅

@ComboSmooth Жыл бұрын

Cyrax bombs from MK9 come to mind for unfair attacks. He was like the only guy that could 0 to death people with a nearly unblockable set up. Like if Kabal wasnt around being extra overtuned, Cyrax may have been the guy

@donbrandoli Жыл бұрын

this is the year of Brian_F

@mercury6032 Жыл бұрын

two of my favorite fgc content creators on a single video? awesome :)

@Mykulveli Жыл бұрын

Im liking this video at 10 seconds in because theres no possibility this isnt a banger. Im going to the grocery store with this on my headphones. If I gotta come back here and take my thumbs up back...

@guestguest9051 Жыл бұрын

When LK said it's similar to Ed's, I thought he's gonna talk about Adult Gohan's lightning legs but I forgot beyblade was a thing

@Tremuoso Жыл бұрын

this series is great!

@ersepi. Жыл бұрын

Longform fighting game content from two of the goats

@GuuchReborn Жыл бұрын

that rev mist finer was genuinely funny

@creedolala6918 Жыл бұрын

Brian didn't even mention the nasty cross up with the chicken feet flying over your head while the Stones hit you from behind. You'll see him use it 100 times in his videos and maybe one dude manages to block it.

@osrsgold2547 Жыл бұрын

This video changed my mind on street fighter. Used to think it was boring, and quickly wrote off SFV because of players complaining about jank and whatever. Seeing what the jank actually was makes me wish I gave the game a chance!! Might check out SF6 ngl

@LargeInCharge77 Жыл бұрын

5 was boring for years. They updated it a ton. 6 is wild right out of the gate!

@Uooooooooooooh Жыл бұрын

SF5 was horrible when it came out and in many people's minds it just stayed that way because understandably they didn't stick around to see it get improved

@GlowingOrangeOoze Жыл бұрын

I love that "They're paying for their crimes." "...What did they *do?*" concept that was alluded to. We've all looked into some game and seen a character locked in the rusty cell of D tier with the Hannibal Lecter mask on. The people showing zero sympathy. We wonder what they could have done to deserve this.

@JacksonR2V Жыл бұрын

great video as always, such a good series and I’ll never complain about a Brian_f collab

@lmfz4800 8 ай бұрын

Man, I remember when people used to hide tech for countering umvc3 Phoenix so they could pull it out in grands.

@adamrussell9573 Жыл бұрын

You love to see the Wormlord_F collab 🙏

@MrAnnoyingYouBadly Жыл бұрын

I haven't played fighterz in a long time but isn't labcoats beyblade just as good as gotenks? Like I said it's been a while since I've played(right after labcoats nerf actually) and I never got into it that much but I remember a lot of talk around labcoats beyblade. Or did they nerf that as well?

@Just.Kidding Жыл бұрын

i thought i remembered combos off of guard cancels/counter hits not being able to kill in blazblue, but that might not be all versions

@methanesulfonic Жыл бұрын

Brian mentioning 4 bar combo meanwhile Guile on SF6 has 5 bar combo 🗿

@sirius7180 Жыл бұрын

Godlike vid but now I'm scared of there being secret broken setups under my nose that I don't know about.

@rpgtimefire Жыл бұрын

Can't wait until you get Brian f on next

@krehera Жыл бұрын

your videos are really good

@LegendaryO34 Жыл бұрын

31:00 I only subbed to Brian_f like two years ago. Didn't know we both picked out favorites and ended up with the same top tier team in s1! -16, Cell, SS Vegeta-

@seven1544 Жыл бұрын

rocking the hell outta that beard LK

@karue7581 Жыл бұрын

Brian was so great in this

@box1778 Жыл бұрын

I thought you already had Sajam on here?

@Aregulargameplayer Жыл бұрын

Whoa 1 hour we cooking

@squidinkgaming4035 Жыл бұрын

26:46 says that it’s like Brawl Metaknight and proceeds to show Ultimate footage

@Point5_ Жыл бұрын

26:45 "brawl mk tornado" *shows ultimate mk tornado

@harryvpn1462 Жыл бұрын

LK looks so different with a beard

@GigaHands Жыл бұрын

Brian_F: "The moves I'm gonna describe are probably really tame compared to your anime fighter nonsense." Also Brian_F: 37:38

@ZeroZmm Жыл бұрын

This reminded me of that tweet (which I can't find) of the person being like; "people complain about a move being broken and it looks like this" * stick figure with leg poking * Like..yea..that's what makes it broke. The 3 Ss: swift, short and safe

@ahmedibrahim4997 Жыл бұрын

isn't tao's gaurd cancel just like +R baiken but less bullshit because at least tao's costs meter ?

@ahmedibrahim4997 Жыл бұрын

oh wait there is one difference , baiken's gaurd cancel can be baited (kinda) , unless you have 25% meter then it's free pressure

@LordKnightfgc Жыл бұрын

In cs1 it was by far the best guard cancel in the game. Baiken has od guard cancels too and I'll go over them sometime, but in old BB games, moves had like double the hit stop and os throw tech still teched throws for an eternity (13f?), so you couldn't make her block anything that wasn't an A button without her killing you lol

@dondodando8084 Жыл бұрын

THE STONES, MY LORD RESPECT THE STONES

@killme4569 Жыл бұрын

honestly i’m surprised you didn’t put titanomachia in here considering your ptsd.

@M0HAK0 Жыл бұрын

Damn never knew that about taokaka. Thats wild lmaoooo. CT was something else. I would say the yrc OS in vanilla Xrd is the most busted thing ive ever witnessed. Not being able to burst due to an OS that takes your burst is pretty damn crazy.

@declancrawford8799 Жыл бұрын

I love all the guests but please more Brian f

@deathbringer9893 Жыл бұрын

im still waiting for snake kick from hazama to get added in one of these

@nouvelle147 Жыл бұрын

It's wild how SF's idea of an unfair attack is a -2 poke 😭 Anime fighting games are brutal man

@Rhannmah Жыл бұрын

well you have to consider what counterplay there is to it in that specific game, if there's none or very little then yeah it's very cheap

@randomcatname7792 Жыл бұрын

I mean SF6 Have Dee Jay and Marisa who have so much plus on block

@C3lticlord Жыл бұрын

I love Oro and I hope he comes to SF6 even though it is unlikely

@KSabot Жыл бұрын

Good chance that was Marlinpie cammy doing those unlockables in ssf4 lol

@Rhannmah Жыл бұрын

56:38 nope!

@SkRapp3 Жыл бұрын

That damage is INSANE bruh

@ohToon Жыл бұрын

Rizzknight is back again, beard lookin good g

@LoMario64 7 ай бұрын

Saw Gotenks, had a PTSD attack from online matches

@quinnah5544 Жыл бұрын

You guys should do sets in different games. Get brian to teach LK street fighter games and vica verse with LK teaching brian anime games. I reckon it would make for some quality content.

@jaspercook5128 Жыл бұрын

Idek sf5 got that nasty, definitely appreciate Brian focusing on it

@darkheat9946 Жыл бұрын

He was right about Gotenks spin but the wrong version. Around season 2.5 they accidentally forgot to scale his EX spin and released it like that. What did that mean? Well, everything you just saw but he could combo ex spin into ex spin spark ex spin assist ex spin and you were basically DEAD. This was still while he had ghost oki btw. Just The most annoying "what do I do here" thing you could possibly play.