Great explanation. Been encorporating increased stroke rate and rhthyn with excellent results. I used to be a 2 beat triathalon kicker and taking some lessons from a coach telling me to increase my kick rate. I haven't been comfortable with the transition. I find it exhausting and not efficent.. I'll be glad to get back to the 2 beat. Thanks for the help. I'm 72 yrs old and still improving.
@swimsmooth6 ай бұрын
Really glad it’s helped Alan. Keep up the great work!
@AndrewCunnell-qi2uq6 ай бұрын
A two beat kick appears to yield efficient use of energy when swim cadence is high. Very useful lesson for long distance events.
@swimsmooth6 ай бұрын
Yes, you are right
@eaomonn12156 ай бұрын
Well done daniel proud of you
@swimsmooth6 ай бұрын
Total legend!
@alisonwilks3026 ай бұрын
Always helpful . I wish I could meet you as I have so much about terrible/ novice swimming that I could share ❤❤❤❤❤❤
@swimsmooth6 ай бұрын
Not sure where you're based Alison, but we will be in Europe at the BestFest in May...
@neilmaher19486 ай бұрын
Fascinating analysis n great vid ☘️
@swimsmooth6 ай бұрын
Thanks Neil - appreciate that!
@carloalbertomigliazza53936 ай бұрын
Thanks Paul, great review, different from the usual approach to the long distance events technique. This year the Champions, both female and male, 800/1500, show an increasing in the stroke rate and obviously a reduction in the front glide and probably in the rolling, even maintaining the EVF, even if this particular is not, to me, a must, but it is direct correlated to the force/power the swimmer could put in the final part of the pull. Even the kicks crossed as you told are not absolutely a problem, if this let the swimmer to put in the water his best swim timing. And what about the stroke rate? This year it seems that Florian and Mikailo, the lowest stroke rate swimmers, aren't in the front pack, so we could desume that the "glide/hip stroke/low stroke rate" swim technique it is not, at least, the only one, for endurance swimmer. Definitely the sum of the factors must give a great speed, but not all the factors must show a value of 10 on 10.
@swimsmooth6 ай бұрын
I think your deductions are very sound Carlo - thanks for the input and observations!
@skeletorkun6 ай бұрын
Great stuff Paul! Thanks for the valuable content. I have been focusing on strong pull through these past years. It definitely takes a lot of effort to keep the stroke rate high and not settle into an overglider type of swim. This analysis is a good source of inspiration for my next visit to the pool. ;)
@swimsmooth6 ай бұрын
Remember - higher rate doesn’t mean higher effort - think of it like gears on a bike - easier gear = less force per stroke but at a slightly higher frequency - coupled with less effort with the legs is why this proves to be very economical for many people. I see Quadarella just won the 800 as well giving her the 800 & 1500 double with this style. Not for everyone of course (per all my guidance on these points over the years) but equally the longer, smoother style is not for everyone either (as classically taught). Find YOUR rhythm 👍
@lordge016 ай бұрын
Many thanks great analysis - lot to think about.
@swimsmooth6 ай бұрын
Yes, perhaps, but focus on those 4 take-home points from Quadarella's stroke and then sit back and admire Daniel's 1500 performance now too!
@robohippy6 ай бұрын
I guess for breathing cycles, I say breathe when you need to. For me, that is every other arm stroke. I run into oxygen debt otherwise. I always anchor my down/front side kick on my pulling arm, so as the right arm just enters the 'power' point of the pull at about 45 degrees, the leg on the right side kicks down. This is exactly what you do when swimming catch up style.
@Daan1136 ай бұрын
Great insights and expressions. I would love to see you use a microphone that would make audio clearer and easier for listeners. Subscribed
@Daan1136 ай бұрын
Second part of the video has great audio
@swimsmooth6 ай бұрын
Can you let me know if this is better: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g9ajZ7R8u9mblqM.html
@Daan1136 ай бұрын
@@swimsmooth This link directs to some Adobe video, but I listened to your latest video about the Triathlon athlete's session and it definitely sounds clearer. Without microphone the lower range tones do not register and audio sounds monotone and I personally find difficult to follow especially when there are some sound effects. I am not a native speaker so this definitely does not make it easier for me. Also i might have damaged my ears with music and doing children classes. Better audio better quality newer hurts :) Thanks for your insights and cheers from Estonia!
@swimsmooth6 ай бұрын
Appreciate the help! @@Daan113
@jonendeacott60406 ай бұрын
Really interesting analysis. Shame the u/water analysis of “Wiffen’s” 2-beat kick is actually not Wiffen😉. You can tell as it’s clearly not lane 5 - it’s lane 3!!
@swimsmooth6 ай бұрын
Thanks for pointing out the error of my ways @jonendeacott6040 - you are quite correct - please accept my apologies and see my "addendum" here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g7CnZLp-qa_Woas.html - if anything, the fact that Schwarz and Wiffen display almost the same kicking action, actually further endorses Wiffen's point at 04:08 into the original video.
@CarlsbadMasters6 ай бұрын
Great commentary and analysis, especially about being open to change. Thanks, Paul. Katie Ledecky said, "I think we have the approach that every race is a sprint. Some races are just longer sprints than others." When you are considering the fastest swimmers in the world, true that, but for mere mortals, we can't sustain a 1500 m sprint! I need to give up some sprint speed for efficiency because I am not in world-class shape, not to mention world-class youth. A two beat kick allows more cardio effort in a stronger pull, where it will be more effective. But such a high turnover is unsustainable, since we are not swimming sub-minute per 100. Would you advise non-olympians the same or differently?
@swimsmooth6 ай бұрын
Good to hear from your Jeff. Hope all is well in Carlsbad! Not sure if you’ve seen the longer, more detailed video that this one links to at the end, but there’s some deeper discussion in that one about the physiology of defining the right stroke rate for you through our Stroke Rate ramp test. Highly recommend taking a look kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p8hziK6SyZO0inU.htmlsi=HRvoMcmCwAzDo93-
@colpatterson6 ай бұрын
Enjoyed that 🙏
@swimsmooth6 ай бұрын
Appreciate your support 🙏
@peterbaird93786 ай бұрын
Great video Paul!
@swimsmooth6 ай бұрын
Many thanks Pete 👍
@ermierobinson8006 ай бұрын
Great review Paul - wish I could work out a 2 beat kick but it’s probably a bit late!!🤭🤭🤭
@swimsmooth6 ай бұрын
Thanks Ermie - it’s a tough one to get right for sure - a little like patting your head and rubbing your belly at the same time I’d say. As per my previous vids too, it’s not always for everyone and that’s equally ok 👍
@gbone75816 ай бұрын
It's never too late to learn a different technique but it is probably too late to make it to the Olympics.😉
@fayollepierre5 ай бұрын
Is there a recommended stroke rate limit where a 2 beat stops working? I am a tall swimmer (6'4 with a very wide wingspan). I always thought that my stroke rate would not allow for a 2 beat kick. After watching this video I gave it a try. I probably need to hone it in, but I am experiencing so clear speed and efficiency gain. I would love to hear thoughts opinions if anyone see this comment. My stroke rate is around 60 per min.
@swimsmooth5 ай бұрын
Hi Pierre. I would start by doing our Stroke Rate Ramp Test as detailed here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aK2lkpN7msnGfGg.htmlsi=nq-NIsf9Lq3s6ayF - if you wanted to get really funky, you could perform it twice - once with a 2BK and once with your normal kick. I would say 60+ would be your minimal so it might well be that you’ve already found it 👍
@fayollepierre5 ай бұрын
thanks so much Paul, I will give it a try!
@swimsmooth5 ай бұрын
no problem!@@fayollepierre
@ndchieh6 ай бұрын
My daughter is 12 and her freestyle stroke is slow compare to other swimmers. But she can swim for almost two hours. Yes, she tried 1500 when she was 10. I am trying to find a place in New York City to train my daughter as a distant swimmer. I could not find one. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks
@ln57476 ай бұрын
If she's not showing talent by 12 she's likely not going to 'make it'. Don't be the swimmer parent pushing too hard for something that will never materialise but can ruin a relationship - seen it many times.
@ndchieh6 ай бұрын
@@ln5747 make it for what?
@ln57476 ай бұрын
@@ndchieh as a distance swimmer.
@ndchieh6 ай бұрын
@@ln5747She is a natural born distant swimmer. She can’t swim fast but she can swim for hours. I am not training her for Olympic. Just trying to refine her talent.
@ln57476 ай бұрын
@@ndchieh I understand. No harm in maximising one's abilities even if it's not for sporting success.
@zz944006 ай бұрын
QUADARELLA SWIM LIKE LAURE MANAUDOU !don t forget we don t have mellouli and sam short,and bobby fink they ll be there for the olympics.salim from paris
@swimsmooth6 ай бұрын
Very true!
@SoftPinkBunny6 ай бұрын
lots of analysis but what are you trying to say? What are we supposed to get from this?
@swimsmooth6 ай бұрын
Well, for Quadarella: 1) exhale, 2) don’t discount bilateral breathing, 3) consider if a higher tempo and 2-beat kick is for you (see previous vids we’ve recently published on this), 4) pacing is key. For Wiffen: echoes point 3 and 4 above. Ultimately - as we just saw in the Quadarella vs Fairweather showdown in the heats of the 800 freestyle, there are clearly two styles you’ll see at this level - Swinger and Smooth - neither is necessarily right or wrong, just what is right for the individual swimmer 👍
@rodparker61306 ай бұрын
@@swimsmooth thank you for breaking this down, I enjoy your videos, thank you again.
@swimsmooth6 ай бұрын
@@rodparker6130 thanks Rod
@eberger026 ай бұрын
I never watch anything from that region of the world, which included the Qatari World Cup Football, the UAE Tour (Cycling) etc. Also didn’t watch the Giro D’Italia when it started in Israel. Obviously the rulers of those countries have lots of money and attract bodies like FINA to help them sport-wash, but it’s still dissapointing. Wish they’d stop it.
@swimsmooth6 ай бұрын
Sorry it wasn’t for you
@gbone75816 ай бұрын
If you were to worry about problems in various countries you will never get to watch any sport! If the Olympics were in Russia I would still watch it!
@gbone75816 ай бұрын
It takes more energy to swim more efficiently?🤔 Now that is an oxymoron.
@swimsmooth6 ай бұрын
Erm, yep...
@jeroenpotma41916 ай бұрын
Its like a higher gear. More force per stroke, for fewer strokes. Whats stands out in Wiffens stroke is his total body control combined with a slick smoothness. Every part of his body senses the optimal position and timung for his body that works best for him. His main body is very stable gliding through the water, and you can see how flexible and optimal he moves his limbs from this platform.
@swimsmooth6 ай бұрын
Great points@@jeroenpotma4191 - I really felt that from the inspiration in my 10x400 set the following morning!
@jeroenpotma41916 ай бұрын
Reminds me of the endless discussions we all had on the swimsmooh an total immersion forums more then 10 years ago. It was fun though. Greetings Zenturtle.
@swimsmooth6 ай бұрын
As they say, @@jeroenpotma4191 , "don't mention the war!" LOL!