That might be the best option yet, since it doesn't require you to hold down the fire button, and could shoot instantly, and would also look real

The Alt Revolvers in ULTRAKILL do this. The standard revolver is snappy and fires like a semi-auto pistol, but the alternate trades higher stopping power for slower fire rate, implemented by cocking the hammer after each shot.

Yus Red Dead Redemption 2 guns are doing it right

Still sad no one is talking about Hunt: Showdown

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I was about to say, who would want a blowback operated revolver? until i realized I want a blowback operated revolver

yes

@@garbaj technically revolvers don't have slides or bolts, so really they work on recoil operation. the most recognizable auto-revolver is the Webley Fosbery, basically a standard Webley that's been cut in half. the top half recoils independently of the grip, and tracks on the cylinder that index with a pin on the frame rotate the cylinder. Mateba also makes a more modern autorevolver similar in looks to the rhino shown in the pubg clip that is a bit more complex. the autorevolver from the medic class in bf1 was a Webley Fosbery

@@garbaj Technically, semi auto pistols are blowback operated revolvers. The blowback pulls on the slider and the slider cocks the gun. The bullets however are readied via a spring-load inside of the magazine.

@@tommapar so they don't revolve in any way, making them not revolvers at all.

A few other fps games do this as well. When I was playing modern warfare 2019 I noticed that when I pulled the controller’s trigger the operator pulled the weapon’s trigger accordingly. It works for all weapons, I don’t know how realistic it is for revolvers though since there’s only one revolver in that game (unless you count warzone). I wouldn’t be surprised if it did pay a lot of attention to the realistic animations because all the weapons are pretty realistic (attention to details wise), the desert eagle even has the ring of fire instead of a standard muzzle flash.

same with vr games

Metal Gear Solid 3 on PlayStation 2 did this. The X button was programmed as a sensitive button (actually, any of the X O Square or Triangle buttons can be should the developer want this). Pressing the trigger slightly would prepare the gun and aim down the sight. Fully pressing it would fire. Releasing half way would return the gun to sidearm. This was a very useful mechanic when preparing for just the right moment for that stealthy shot

Was going to mention this. Garbaj didn't give tribute to this detail that I love about D2. Maybe he didn't know, being a KbM player, for the most part.

Unfortunately you can't do this on pc

Yeah, I really like the implementation in CSGO. Makes it a more skill based weapon.

Or he could, you know, have 2 revolvers

@@Random-gn6ew Wouldn't be much different than just two pistols... Having a unique firing mechanism will make a big difference gameplay wise 👍

i imagine it'd be hard to balance it though, in one of the games i play the revolver animation is slightly too long and it's so infuriating to use because the ttk of the other guns almost eliminates the damage bonus a revolver has

It's true that it differentiates it from other pistols, but it making the delay feel long enough that it matters but also making it not frustrating is a difficult balance

hmmm, a very good point

Yeah, if deagle has instashot and less time before the next bullet, it would have sense if it takes 2/3 shots to kill someone, while if revolver has a strong delay before every bullet, even the first, making it a one-shot kill weapon is imo a good thing to do for making it not OP or useless

@@achille0072 that being said, if you're going for the one shot kill route, do not give the gun an alt fire that instantly fires the gun at the cost of accuracy. This mechanic broke CSGO for a week lmao.

Also, keep in mind that even double action revolvers can be cocked in advance of taking a shot. That way you can ready the shot before taking it, and if you took the time to have it readied it you get rewarded with an instant shot that way

he should make a wristbreaker which is just a snubnose that shoots 50. ammo the recoil is massive and you have a chance to lose health with every shot, but it's an instant kill and can turn the tides of any battle, you sacrifice safety, aiming, ammo availability, and firespeed all to kill anyone you shot and seriously hurt anyone that shot passes through.

dear god you're right :O

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And as a result is really difficult to aim. Not just for the projectile, either. A lot harder than McCree's revolve, at the very least.

Some games have this feature

It is dope

Would also be extremely annoying and would likely make people not want to use revolvers.

@@CB-141 then just turn it off 🤦‍♂️

@@Chaziltasm I...can't. I don't have the means to acquire a PS5.

was gonna post this. for all destiny's flaws, bungie did great with the weapons

Plus, if you're playing with a controller, you can pull the trigger like 70% of the way and see the hammer being pulled back but not firing until you pull your controller's trigger all the way. It's a really nice touch.

I think the weirdest part of that, is it doesn't even seem like there is a need for a rotating cylinder, as there is just the single ... round? that gets replaced with most (or all) hand cannons. It still is awesome they did that though.

@@slipshodleaf7466 Its possible the cylinder is only aesthetic, but it could be a heat dissipation for the block, perhaps? Like the Talon from Mass Effect 3.

I always found playing with the trigger and messing with the hammer when I was walking around in-game.

I'm pretty sure Siege, RDR2, and even GTAV all do this too. It's one of my favorite details to see in a game

If you have a mouse with thumb buttons they could make the game give you the option to bind one to the hammer cocking

it's there in destiny 2, which i know because i spent a significant amount of time looking at the hammer go back when I pulled the trigger back partway when i first saw it.

@@clairedonahue8821 as you mentioned, it's definitely there in D2 as well. It's honestly one of my favorite details in the game.

@@deak3726 Well I only play good games, so I wouldn't know about those.

yeah but the problem is mostly with double action ones, and i dont remember well how the animation works in hunt, but being an instant shot i think the cylinder rotates after

So just make all DA revolvers in games SA. 🙃

@@RomaCHEIMS double action revolvers can still be manually cocked

@@notNajimi yes, but bringing that out is pointless in this convo

​@@RomaCHEIMSI think the cylinder rotates while the hammer is cocked

It wasn't Tf2's VR mode, it was Meat Fortress, a gamemode in Hotdogs, Horseshoes, and Hand grenades (or H3). His video series/devlogs about how he made Meat Fortress was interesting, would recommend.

MrSpiffy more like MrPossum

@@themastergluesniffer *i Am NoT a PoSsUm!*

I was so confused when you said VR mode before I realized you were talking about H3VR.

the developer. It's just anton as far as I know

Depends on or you do the delay

"Does it fit my game?" is important, but so is "is it fun?"

I think fanning only works with single action

I prefer realistic and delayed on click/trigger press. It raises the skill floor which can be rewarded via increased stopping power. On top of that, it adds weight to each shot since it isn't as snappy and immediate as firing off a semi round from magazine fed pistols.

well cod mw you can make the gun you want like if you want it to be fast you can or if you want it to be slow but pack a punch you can

If that were the case then the hammer would be cocked before and after you fire it.

@@Swifteroos Does that really matter? There still is some realism. The hammer and cylinder can move after the firing pin hits the striker by itself. Not all revolver need to be the same.

@@lepatron69420 Barely any realism. Plus nobody said all revolvers have to be the same

​@@lepatron69420 It does matter, hammer fired weapons do not have strikers, the hammer hits the firing pin then the firing pin hit the primer. Striker fired weapons have a spring operated firing pin, meaning there is no hammer.

@@lepatron69420 The firing pin does not hit the "striker" it hits the primer which is the little button looking thing on the back of the cartridge.

the chiappa rhino is actually just a regular double action with a 6 o'clock bore sadly, the Unica 6 had a 6 o'clock bore as well but it essentially had an upper receiver that would recoil and cock the hammer and rotate the cylinder. Which in effect means you get a single action trigger pull on every shot.

Even when you shoot chiappa rhino, that hammerlike thing doesn't acutally move at all. because it's not really a hammer, but a cocking lever for when you fire it in single action.

Plus it also has a single action revolver named the last word where the user cocks the hammer with the flat of their hand

Destiny 2 hand cannons have no hammer animations. They only animate the cylinder and the "rounds" which just looks like a weird battery thing.

@@delanodonk5214. The hammer is animated, but only with a controller, you can slightly press the right trigger button and see the hammer move, you can even move it back and forth without shooting anything.

Fun fact this also works with traveler’s chosen and probably a few other sidearms and maybe Dead Man’s Tale

It also works with the aforementioned Last Word which makes no sense but eh, semantics.

That’s what I thought of too I made a comment like this before seeing yours

@@kryptyk64 same

the logical conclusion to the problem

In the game Day of Infamy he locks back the hammer after each shot.

or make it optional so experienced players btfo novices for not realizing

clever

Oh yeah I never noticed that either huh. What's weird about that is the Nagant Officer Carbine does have an animation for the hammer.

I was going to suggest this. I don't get why Garbaj quickly abandoned the idea of using single-action when Hunt made the perfect video game single-action revolver that feels powerful and beefy.

this actually, cause realistic double action can also manually cock the hammer for an instant shot and lighter trigger pull. If you didn't want to add a specific hammer button though i do remember playing a game once that had you cock the hammer automatically for the first shot when you ADS, possibly rising storm 2 but don't quote me on that.

there's a Receiver 2?

@@garbaj Or at least a very convincing knock-off. It fooled me.

@@garbaj yep kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nZODmtJ8p6-pYmg.html

For anyone not familiar with it, Receiver takes realism to the point of insanity. You don't press a button to reload. You press a button to eject your magazine, then you press buttons to load bullets into it one at a time, then press a button to put it back, then press a button to cock the gun.

I think this is done in Cyberpunk as well.

Of note though: those are single-action revolvers. They *need* to be cocked before firing.

I was thinking the same thing as well, why nobody is talking about this more?

@@Verbose_Mode iirc you can also do that in double action revolvers. The trigger just feels lighter

@@Verbose_Mode no on a double action revolver, you can do both. Its actually better to pull the hammer mqnually on a double action because it makes the trigger pull much shorter and smoother than if you pull the hammer with the trigger.

I noticed that when I played d1 back on my ps3/4 and when I played d2 on pc I noticed that they basically just went with the overwatch solution

@@spork8721 It still works in d2 if you use a controller on pc too

This is in a lot of games lol, even GTA

I noticed that back i year 1 after getting Fatebringer from Vault of Glass. I enjoyed messing with the hammer.

So it handles like bows in some games where releasing the button release the arrow

Ultrakill did that

yes bad video game revolvers behave like this. this is like going to mcdonalds and complaining that the meat tastes like cardboard. stop buying garbage copy and paste triple a titles if you want quality.

@@cagneybillingsley2165 wut?

@@cagneybillingsley2165 Huh? What do you have against Borderlands, also the commenter wasn't even complaining, just pointing it out

@@cagneybillingsley2165 mans is mad reactionary for no reason haha

fanning the revolver, great idea

Also, in RDR2 if you fire the double action revolver, Arthur pulls the hammer back when you aim, so the first shot is quick and accurate, but then if you continue to fire each shot is sluggish and inaccurate.

@@brb1994 He does that because it as popular to have DA revolvers in that time to be able to be used as single action, also, so you can use it like a single-action revolver. Would be a cool feature in RDR2 to use it like an SA revolver beyond the first shot.

you can even pause the cocking of the rifle for added effect if you want to, same with revolvers

If i don't remember badly in console the hammer goes back along with the controller's trigger, which is pretty cool and a way to sort this problem out

ok, now that's really unique

Which game?

@@Dat-Mudkip I think it might be receiver 2

@@Dat-Mudkip scp:sl added that too (currently beta only)

Sounds like the brains of a rockstar child

I thought this was how most revolvers (and shotguns) worked in games, it was weird that he said single action would have to be cocked manually by the player

I've had a lot of fun in some games, mostly Red Orchestra and Rising Storm, where re-cocking your weapon can be set to manual. Mostly this is with bolt-action guns: click once to fire, click a second time to work the bolt. It doesn't seem like much, but it lets you CHOOSE whether or not you want to take a second to load another round. Sometimes it's safer to hit the dirt or stab with a bayonet, and chamber a new round when you're in the clear. It also makes the weapon feel a lot more deliberate in its use, IMO, since you need to consider "fire" and "prepare to fire again" as two different actions even if they're done with the same key. Games like Receiver take the cake, of course.

I know there are a few games with single action revolvers and they automatically do the thumb cocking animation after every shot

damn was about to comment this thinking i was clever. figuring out reloads would be weird but reloading a revolver is always weird so i guess no change there

I think Fistful of Frags does this for at least some of its revolvers; there’s a lot of them in that though so I’m not entirely sure on the details.

They had a hammerless snubnose in Battlefield Hardline as the base sidearm for the police, I always thought that was pretty cool.

there is also the nagant "automatic revolver", which after a double action first shot, which cocks the hammer on each shot, almost like a DA/SA semiauto.

This was my first thought. Out of sight, out of mind.

@@DARTHNECRION As far as I'm aware the revolvers are always sort of automatic in Battlefield.

@@ccox7198 if you can find me a striker fired revolver, ill give you 100$ :) (to anyone else reading, there are no striker fired revolvers and this guy is just saying words that he heard somewhere)

had that same thought, its a good idea imo

@Pud Pete Sort of. See with how the R8 works in CS:GO, you hold down fire, and after a delay it will shoot. But with this idea, you can hold down fire *before* getting into the engagement, and release it when you want to shoot, so if you're prepared then there's no delay, and if you prepare poorly, then there is one.

that would be really good

i think itd be unrealistic to be holding a revolver 80% cocked for an extended period

​@@DinosaurSuccess The solution for that would be to have the pistol's shot delayed very slightly while the button is held down while also allowing players to fire more rapidly if they release the button quickly.

The hammer could then stay cocked when ADS is released, allowing the player to shoot the next shot from the hip with the same quickness. You'd then have a decision to make about subsequent shots. I'd probably make cocking the hammer after each shot automatic when ADSing, but not when hip-firing, just to add some variety. Or maybe if the player holds the trigger when hip-firing that makes the character hold the trigger and "fan" the hammer, like in westerns.

We be in "No More Room In Hell"

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the problem with this is that you really want the snappy response time when you’re hipfiring; usually a player hip fires when they either don’t have time to aim or they’re close enough up that the movement speed (since most games have an ADS movement penalty) is better than the accuracy of aiming

@@spaghettiwaffles You can still snap off a shot with a revolver but it will require a longer trigger pull if the hammer hasn't been cocked. Maybe make those shots less accurate? The real problem is that the issues with using a revolver in real life don't translate well to games. IRL, the way one pulls the trigger has a significant effect on the accuracy of shots. So a longer, heavier trigger will make that more difficult, but that can't really be modeled in games. Actually, IRL, the only time you'd be forced to fire a revolver without the hammer cocked is when firing quickly straight out of the holster, or when firing multiple shots quickly. Any other time, if you had your gun out and pointed, you'd probably have the hammer pulled back as well. It really depends on how realistic you want to go. Unless this is going to be a mil-sim with extreme attention to detail, it's probably not worth getting overly complicated with it.

tarkov is king

You can also switch to single action to pull the hammer back, and then switch to double with the hammer still pulled. That combined with just how many animations they packed into letting you load/unload every cylinder individually makes it feel amazing to use. I can't wait for them to add normal revolvers.

that's pretty much how it is IRL. You can rapid fire a double action without needing to cock if shit gets hairy. Or you can cock it back before placing your finger on the trigger for a nice, clean easy break on the trigger ratehr than having to put extra effort in your finger squeeze to move the hammer and cylinder

This may be the point that sells me on buying this game. I just left a comment suggesting this exact thing. Controller players get that "real feel" with no shot cooldown, KBM players get an instant bullet with a longer cooldown. Perfect balance.

Rising Storm 2: Vietnam has had this mechanic with their revolver for years, it's double action usually, but you can press a button to cock the hammer and fire a shot in single action.

Always wondered if anyone else noticed that

Woah, that sounds really interesting. I'm getting jealous of controller players

The reload is what gets you on a single action revolver, they usually use a loading gate and you have to manually eject and load each chamber individually. The exception is break-top revolvers, like the s&w model 3, where the frame split and you could access all the entire cylinder at once.

thats what hunt showdown does iirc

@@Compgeek86 a sluggish reload's not unfamiliar at least; we've been dealing with slow-reloading pump actions just fine. If the weapon can hit hard and fast, you'll excuse needing to hide for a few seconds to get a full reload.

@@Logan-xo9uc I'm not really a fan of PVP, but I'll give that game a go when it's on sale.

I think both would be great. Pick your poison type thing. Want to shoot as soon as you pull the trigger, get a single action, but pay on a delay on the next shot. Double action gives you faster loading of the next round, but got to pay on the delay of pulling the trigger all the way. May be cool to go around with a half pulled trigger on a double action to get that fast first shot.

That's still not how double-actions work. That would work for Single-Action revolvers

@@LanHikariDS yeah hut why use a difficult solution when you have an easier one?

@@lorenzomanzoni1010 depends on how the developer decides they want to balance the weapon. Adding a pre-fire delay like cocking the hammer adds an extra layer of difficulty to using the weapon, which makes it more reasonable for devs to give it higher damage output, while keeping the gun balanced.

@@LanHikariDS fair enough. But then the delay would be intentional and not a problem to solve. Everybody’s happy

You also long left click to fire. Just tapping left click cycles a round.

SCP: Sister Location

@@PauperoftheFishies Five Nights at Freddys: Secret Laboratory

@@friendlyfire2615 That actually sounds like a real game

aha, I KNEW I WOULD FIND A COMMENT WITH THE SCP SL REVOLVER(insert d bois vs nerds with revolver)

Fallout 4 does that as well!

I could have sworn the 44 revolver in fallout 3 and new Vegas was double action and it's animation didn't bother with the hammer. It's been a while since I've played it, though. 😅👍🏻

@@optiTHOMAS yeah they don't bother with the hammer

Bethesda and obsidian payed attention, shame to interplay, they didn't even making revolver cocker action

Easily the best solution. It's technically accurate and has no gameplay roadblocks. Win win.

Why not use double click for cocking and shooting? With a small delay between the clicks.

As much as that was an interesting idea ,The revolvers in that game didn't feel very good in my opinion. The reload speed is cracked and I feel like it stripped alot of the fun out of what could have been a very fun gameplay designed around being able to carry four very different firearms and managing the time needed to reload them and knowing when to use them in conjunction with other throwable items instead of just reloading immediately.

@@Blazberry_Yaint that's true. They sped up reloading animations for most of the guns. I think that's an issue with RDR 2 in general. An attempt to simulate realism but not fully commiting. not a major problem, but it does feels off when shit happens

@@manbat4582 they wouldn't even needed to make the revolver reloads unbearably slow. Arthur is a skilled gunfighter and so in a dozen seconds he'd likely be able to unload every chamber of a single action revolver and then reload them: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r8hkq5CfyLeceZc.html Also if you really wanna be realistic Arthur would carry 5 instead of 6 to avoid the risk of an accidental discharge.

I prefer having it the rdr2 way because being able to shoot the weapon the second you click is important to the overall feel of the gameplay. Having to click a second time to cock the hammer on a revolver gives me that confirmation that im ready to fire again which maintains the fun gameplay and realism.

Personally I would like to see a system like No More Room in Hell, where hip firing with the revolver is double action with noticeable delay but faster follow-up shots, while aiming down the sights would cause the player to pull back the hammer before adsing, making shots almost instant but general fire rate being slower as the character has to pull back the hammer before every shot.

@@Spicysparrow1 it also makes a lot of sense as the main argument for shooting in single action is to make more accurate shots as the delay and trigger force are lower.

@@Spicysparrow1 Hm, so more like a combination if One and Two? Sounds also pretty amazing. I'd say the most versatike would be implementing all three and letting the players decide how they want revolvers to do.

@@someonestolemyname Shooting single action from the hip mitght also be desirable when anticipating an encounter around the corner where aiming down sights might be undesirable due to the smaller FoV but you still don't want to deal with the delay of double action shooting. So I'd say the two button solution might be even better in this case.

Or you could just cock with the fire button before firing

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yeah

Finally another scp sl player

don't forget the Mateba, the only gas operated revolver as far as I know

Jerry miculek shot 5 rounds in .58 seconds in a 2" group with a revolver. I think that that alone proves that revolvers are quick and accurate to shoot.

@@moonasha he actually has the Mateba in the video but didn't identify it. It's at 2:20, the PUBG clip. The animation is actually correct with this one.

@@RJBond121 right? The idea that "revolvers are slow" is an overplayed falsehood perpetuated by people who don't shoot at all or can't shoot well and think there lack of skill is what should be applied to, what should be, elite gun fighters depicted in games. I've out shot an entire match of automatic pistols and came in first with a revolver in IDPA. Revolvers should Ballance with recoil first, reload speed second, and rate of fire third not the usual rate of fire, then reload, then recoil. Don't get me started on junk revolver reloads or crappy damage models poorly expressing ballistics in game either.

The Webly Fosbury is a fascinating revolver. It also appears in Pathologic 2 as one of the few firearms in that game.

Revolvers with an internal hammer still function the exact same way. Only difference is you don't see it.

@@l4d2160 yeah that’s exactly my point that it’s less to animate

Or like the Unica 6 that is a self-cocking, semi auto revolver.

think you mean Ruger

problem is that it won't look like a revolver to most people

Pull the trigger, squeeze the trigger, gently push the trigger back. Do NOT “yank” the trigger.

@@mr.potato7075 because you said that I am going to yank the trigger every time.

@@thereareantsbehindyoureyes7529 That’s fine. I’m giving out free advice but if you want to do the opposite, nobody’s stopping you. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.

@@mr.potato7075 For precision shooting, yes you just gently ease into it until it breaks. When you are shooting double action quickly you just make it go. Maybe "yank" was a bit of an exaggeration, but it is closer to the truth than gently pushing... probably pull quickly is the most accurate description.

​@@mr.potato7075 Although it is frequently taught that way, unless you are shooting competition bullseye or long distance, no one actually does it that way. If you study USPSA or IDPA shooting, you'll see that their trigger pulls are anything but gentle. There are USPSA grandmasters who use and teach a trigger "slapping" technique. The whole "gentle trigger squeeze" thing is good advice for beginners but it doesn't necessary apply in practical applications.

It has its own charm, but in a faster paced game the gun would be pretty unviable, and i really REALLY hate when revolvers are unviable. They're my fav weapon in games and I love usin em in cod and stuff

Well, Ultrakill makes the first action automatic

@@act2wasstronger182 It'd be pretty easy to add recocking the hammer to the recoil animation so it's ready to shoot again by the time you get your sights back.

@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor that's definitely possible..

@@act2wasstronger182 Revolvers are supposed to take longer to operate, even in fast paced games. They're balanced for high immediate damage instead of DPS like most handguns.

I'm pretty sure that's just single action

@@Bernie_Sanders you can cock a double action. So if you are shooting fast make it cock itself, and when you are done shooting and still have ammo make the character cock it

Thats pretty much how it would work in real life, the first thing you would do upon drawing your weapon/ firing it is cock it so you have a nice crisp single action trigger pull waiting for you

Yep, that's exactly what Hunt Showdown does. A game that all the sidearms but 3 are revolvers, most of which are single actions

the CSgo revolver was awesome, did a bunch of damage to compensate for the delay when firing and it's pretty accurate when you're not running around. Sadly got nerfed because people don't think they should be getting oneshot by a revolver headshot (??)

@@kuelhomaster R8 got nerfed because it was 1 shot kill to the body.

@@kuelhomaster it was a handgun awp, literally. it was ultra precise and it killed 1 shot to the body no matter what, that's why it got nerfed

glad you like em!

Who doesn't

Yeah it’s pretty short and easy to understand cause people keep making 10 min long vids which is just clickbait and have no clear explanation because they are meant to show off their gameplay

U american? 😂

@@hitboii0065 shut up

What you're saying is Rhino is just built different

@@HeavySandvichGuy1 Y'know, I spent quite about of time on that comment three months ago. And you've just rendered all of that time wasted with this perfect summation of what I said. You are exactly right: The Rhino is just BUILT DIFFERENT

@@warriorinagarden7573 for what its worth, as a fan of the rhino, i read your comment and appreciate people like you who take the time to correct and educate others, politely too!

I own a Chiappa Rhino 60DS (the exact same model as in PUBG). There’s a little red piece of plastic that pops up to the left of the external hammer when it is cocked in single action, kind of like a safety indicator. The external hammer’s only purpose is to cock the internal hammer. It doesn’t move at all when firing in double action. The only thing that would move on the exterior would be that little red piece of plastic as you pull the trigger back.

The cocking lever on the outside of the Rhino shouldn't move unless it is manually pulled back, even when fired in double-action, and it should automatically return to its original starting position after the internal hammer is cocked by pulling the external cocking lever. Unfortunately, PUBG is far from the only game to get this wrong. Killing Floor 2 also gets this wrong because the Rhino basically reuses the animations for the S&W Model 500, since it was around that point that Saber Interactive took over from Tripwire for updating the game, and they don't have as much detail or realism in their DLC content.

That's the standard, but of course some games work differently and have you replace entire magazines at a time. Insurgency lets you choose whether you discard a magazine for a slightly faster reload, or keep it to use the remaining ammo later. Games like Receiver and Hideous Destructor not only track magazines, but let you carry loose rounds separately and load those into empty magazines later. HD has a fun mechanic with its causeless ammunition, where you can actually ignite the rounds if you force them into a magazine too fast! The Darkness has you "reload" pistols by throwing them away and grabbing a new one from under your edgy 90s trench coat, so you obviously lose any ammo left in the magazine. The assault rifle works similarly, you toss the magazine out and pop in a fresh one. Amusingly enough, the shotgun uses the same "discard the magazine when you reload" mechanic, even though it's a pump-action with an internal magazine and you load the shells one at a time...

Cry of Fear has a system where if you reload, all ammo in the current mag is wasted and isn’t returned to the stockpile. It’s definetly realistic and considering that it’s a survival horror game and ammo is already super scarce it’s terrifying when you realize that you will need to either waste 4 bullets to have a full mag or be unable to defend yourself if there are more than 3 enemies around the corner.

I noticed that too a while back. Funny considering Destiny is not a game with much gun realism, but they still thought to do that. I guess they just really wanted the hand cannons at least to be as cool as possible.

@@Freelix2000 Hahah, right. I was just about to say that Hand Cannons were probably a studio favorite.

Horrible trigger discipline irl, but yeah, could work in a game

@@azbyn692 Well, trigger discipline isn't respected in most games anyway haha

It made the game even more unrealistic. Since if you jump or run it's hard to hold the gun steady and not shoot randomly

@@Howthetoastcrumbled True, even tho it's hard, not impossible

this comment gives me anxiety

There's a button to manually cock the hammer so the next shot wont have delay

so you have to hold the firing button to shoot one shot right?

Hmm, I think that distinction is entirely arbitrary. Mechanics don't fall on a 2d line of fun vs realistic. And mind you I understand your argument is to weigh more towards fun things than realistic things, but I would say that having a delay in the firing animation of a pistol doesn't make it less fun at all, it could easily land in "fun and realistic" depending on the context of how the weapon is being used.

I think delayed revolvers could be just as fun as instant ones if they're done right

Not really. Weapon characteristics are important gameplay mechanics for balancing purposes, and I'm kind of surprised he glossed over this. A delayed action makes the weapons feel different and your choice of one more significant, as well as providing a downside to the close range punch it can have.

The thing is, when you learn to shoot an actual gun, especially handguns and more so revolvers, you learn to shoot around that and you get the tactile sensation of pulling the trigger back, the effect that it has on your sight picture, and in the end the round going off when the hammer falls.

@@TheJacklikesvideos Then in that case the reolver better have "railgun" or "sniper" level damage. Which doesn't make much sense realistically either. So no matter what you do. Trying to be realistic is a bad choice for the game.

@@Wylie288 That's only true when you try to 'spot-fix' a particular problem without considering what it means in context and how to accommodate it appropriately. In this scenario the only reason trying to make revolvers behave realistically doesn't work well is the fact that none of the other weapons behave realistically either and lack characteristics that make them unique, characteristics that they should have. To be brief, because I wrote about it at greater length in my own comment, every weapon has a trigger weight and a relative delay between initiating a trigger pull and the release of the hammer/firing of the round. Forcing it into revolvers alone would imbalance them because the other weapons still get to enjoy magical instant reaction. That is, one problem is 'solved' without regard for the context of its use case or attempting to accommodate these changes in a broader scope.

@@Wylie288 that’s not true at all, the revolver would shoot a lot faster and is also a secondary, bolt-actions shoot around ~50 RPM while the double action revolver would shoot at ~150 RPM