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The Army Sizes of Westeros (Stark, Lannister, Baratheon, Tyrell, Greyjoy, Arryn & Tully)
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Күн бұрынDid you know in the books we actually know how large each of the armies belonging to the 7 Kingdoms are? This short uses evidence from A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, A Feast for Crows, A Dance with Dragons and The Winds of Winter.
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@HorusHeresist Жыл бұрын
Tyrells in books: probably the richest and the biggest house with more then 100.000 men at service. Tyrells in Game of THrones series: we just keep like 1000 men in our castle, we have grandma, her son, two children and that's it.
@matthew3618 Жыл бұрын
We are Tyrells, we fight terribly because of our sigil
@verward Жыл бұрын
That's not how a castle works. You can't keeps 1000s because you need to house and feed them and the whole of a castle is that you need few men to defend it for a long time. I have more problem with the show pretending castles aren't really a significant thing.
@BanditoBurrito Жыл бұрын
@@verward He's implying there should have been a massive field battle, and a brutally long siege with the amount of numbers in play here. But they tried to do their own thing because the fans wanted more seasons, so they made up some trash TV and plots that were forced and on x5 speed. Not stuffing 100,000 men in one castle. Obviously.
@antiochus87 Жыл бұрын
Felt more like there was just the granny and her maid in the castle.
@HorusHeresist Жыл бұрын
@@verward I mean what they did n Winterfell, for instance. Tyrells had much more men then what Starks gathered in 8 season, but at Highgarden they only showed castle garrison and no Tyrell army. If they sent absolutely all their armies just to lay siege to the capital, then this is terribly stupid.
@kieranmaciel6195 11 ай бұрын
“The Stormlands are the most ravaged and depleted after the war.” *Riverlands has left the chat*
@coldhands2802 9 ай бұрын
Yeah.. this is why I came to the comments. I'm pretty sure not a single battle was fought in the storm lands lol
@astrokiddzayvevo8439 9 ай бұрын
Everybody with Stannis died reply army fell apart
@DennisNoelBarroga 9 ай бұрын
You might be right but after the WOFK, Stormlands had no ruler because all the Baratheons and almost all Robert's bastards were killed.
@killcomis 8 ай бұрын
@@coldhands2802yeah but a good amount of the stormlords and their men were killed at the defeat of kings landing
@yuzuftazimo2157 8 ай бұрын
@@killcomis and if it follows medieval army composition, most of it would be peasants which left their fields undermanned not to mention lack of soldiers/authority will lead to stability issues
@azmal6158 Жыл бұрын
80,000 men and Jaime just walks down to High Garden 😢
@Gametime41300 Жыл бұрын
That’s why the show was bad
@tanman49 Жыл бұрын
With a minor house like Randall tarley’s horn hill was enough to help Jamie walk in there without the high towers who can really muster lot of people as well having nothing to say about that😂. Most of the reache,s strength comes from the high towers and high garden. How Randall tarley did that will be a mystery.
@hatless_spider Жыл бұрын
It's also one of the strongest keeps in Westeros 😂
@brobro1659 Жыл бұрын
With targaryen loyalist wildcard tarly not to forget 😂
@cseijifja Жыл бұрын
@@tanman49 we are led to believe apart from tarly a good chunk of their lords betrayed the tyrells becuase they hated the dothrakis. That would gimp teh tyrells, particularly becuase tarly's the only real soldier they aparently have. Still the show is shit, but i have to give due where it's due. They could have explained that the lords they were keeping in the reach were the ones that turned cloak , but even for that they were stupid.
@flaviomonteiro1414 Жыл бұрын
After Total War: Warhammer I'd kill for a Total War: Westeros.
@og8263 Жыл бұрын
It's honestly baffling how they're not licencing it to games
@17Watman Жыл бұрын
I want a Total War: Westeros game. Not a mod but a actual full game.
@incizor1273 Жыл бұрын
Yes yes yes! This is what we need!
@niccologregorutti9309 Жыл бұрын
I'm still waiting for the Lord of the Rings total war...
@incizor1273 Жыл бұрын
@@niccologregorutti9309 yes! We also need this!
@baz5042 Жыл бұрын
The Riverlands have been affected most by the War of The Five Kings, most of the fighting took place there.
@henryattre4910 Жыл бұрын
yea i agree not sure where he got stormlands
@whatisreddin7367 Жыл бұрын
@@henryattre4910 probably because Stannis' Army got obliterated by the Wildfire and Chain trick at the blackwater, and the rest got ambushed by the Tyrells and Tywins army from behind, Some also turned cloak when they saw Renly's ghost or swore fealty to Joffrey after the battle. He only has about 2,000 men left when he attacks Mance Rayders army of 40,000 wildlings, then bolsters it with Northern Mountain Clansmen, Glovers and some Karstarks. He should be getting a good amount of sellswords too after the Iron Bank decided to back him
@mappingshaman5280 Жыл бұрын
I mean they're the most affected by any war because of geography. The riverlands borders the Vale, the westerlands, the Crownlands, the North and is one of the closest kingdoms to the ironborn. Every other region can basically camp a corner meanwhile the riverlands is getting railed from all sides.
@RailRoad188 Жыл бұрын
@@mappingshaman5280Facts but so savagely delivered 😂
@CeruleanSword 11 ай бұрын
@@mappingshaman5280 You forgot the Reach.
@Abit325 Жыл бұрын
20 good men is all i need
@GoodRanchers. 11 ай бұрын
Unless they're bigger, more buff versions of Hercules, then no, they probably won't be all you need
@Threat_LvL 11 ай бұрын
@@OreoOreoCookie234404 didntgetjoke
@Threat_LvL 11 ай бұрын
@@GoodRanchers.404 didntgetjoke
@peterpanda4296 11 ай бұрын
sad how no one gets what u said lol
@GoodRanchers. 11 ай бұрын
@@peterpanda4296 lmao is it a line from the show? Mb
@kocar0021 Жыл бұрын
"The show has very few numbers and is inconsistent with those same numbers." 💀 Edit: Holy, sh*t. Thanks for the 10k likes.
@Carlos-sy8hz Жыл бұрын
That's quite literal. The starks have like 3 men without their bannermen in the show
@TheAntiTrope Жыл бұрын
@@Carlos-sy8hz and Jamie kills one of them in s1, so they have 2 when the war starts 😂
@dodojesus4529 Жыл бұрын
Remember drothraki reproduce via mitosis
@arkabhaumik3954 Жыл бұрын
@@dodojesus4529😂😂
@nickmills8906 Жыл бұрын
@@dodojesus4529thank you for the theRussianbadger Ork(?) Mitosis joke😂
@ingainloggningsnamn 10 ай бұрын
Riverlands having no strategic defenses. Rip massive rivers that serve as natural barriers and/or chokepoints where you can have small forts defending crossings.
@xiaoxin2859 8 ай бұрын
It’s not just that. It’s mostly because they are in the middle of like 5 other regions plus the Iron Islands. So even with the rivers it’s very difficult for them to defend. At the start of the War of the Five Kings they had the Westerlands to the west and the Crownlands to the Southeast and even add in the Stormlands even though it’s not directly connected because even though they weren’t fighting at the time Stannis considered the Riverlands and the North traitors. Add in the Iron Islands able to do raids including down the rivers themselves plus later the Tyrells joining the Lannisters. And even the Vale was not truly neutral and so you have to watch the East too. The Riverlands will burn in House of the Dragon too, pretty much every major war in Westeros is fought in the Riverlands and there is even a joke that the Riverlands are so fertile not because of the rivers but because of all the blood split. They are just to centrally located so even with the rivers slowing armies down it’s just too much land to cover and honestly rivers aren’t as big of a natural obstacle as mountains in the Westerlands and the swamps of the Neck. You even have problems of the Riverlords famously squabbling amongst each other like Bracken and Blackwood and the Freys not being reliable. The Tully’s are also probably the weakest Great House. They have only been lords of their own region since the conquest and the Freys can actually field more men directly than the Tullys can and Mallister, Bracken, and Blackwood can field about the same compared to all the other regions where vassals can be powerful but not as strong as their Great House Leige Lords.
@durrangodsgrief6503 7 ай бұрын
@@xiaoxin2859thw riverlands United under a competent king is very defensive they have the same defenses as all the other kingdoms but on the other side of them, the ironborn cant raid down river as they have to get past seagard first and more the riverlands is the most underdeveloped region due to the stupidity of its lords
@fildariusv7045 7 ай бұрын
@@durrangodsgrief6503Not ironically, you are absolutly right on it being extremely underveloped. Several towns in the Riverlands SHOULD HAVE BECOME LARGE, PROSPEROUS CITIES CENTURIES AGO, but never received a charter to allow it by their kings (Fair Market is an example). Though Tristrifer IV was an amazing strategist who defended his entire realm ALONE AGAINST THE COMING OF THE ANDALS, he sadly, his resources were finite unlike his enemies, eventually he too fell
@MaloWorld 7 ай бұрын
I think he is right the riverland as a region has nature and terrain do not help in defence, but yes you also right Riverrun the Castle is one of the most Impregnable castles in that world thanks to its location between two rivers, as we read the towns and forts of the region fell easly into Jamie Lannister hands, only Riverrun Castle was Impregnable and can withstood three years under siege easily, cause the attacking army also had to be divided on three banks around the castle.
@durrangodsgrief6503 7 ай бұрын
@@fildariusv7045 no house Justman was better to me any man that can unite Blackwood and bracken is a deity
@ivanbluecool Жыл бұрын
Thank goodness roose shrunk the size of Rob's army. Easier to count
@johnpauldriskill8737 Жыл бұрын
The reason he only has 20000 men is because it takes months maybe even a full year to get the full strength in the north and his river lands army has been fighting the longest and a lot of them are dead
@ivanbluecool Жыл бұрын
@@johnpauldriskill8737 someone missed the joke I see.
@johnpauldriskill8737 Жыл бұрын
@@ivanbluecoolNo I understood it I was just letting you know that reason no need to be a dick
@mappingshaman5280 Жыл бұрын
@@johnpauldriskill8737if that's the reason why does nobody in the North have any men after the red wedding?
@kaloyanm.r2233 Жыл бұрын
@@mappingshaman5280 depends if you are asking about the show or books, in the show the north cant raise more armies but in the books there are still houses with considerable strength of arms left, which is why in the books the Boltons did the whole Arya is alive and married to Ramsey in order to solidify their claims and keep the north at bay. Plus many of the nobles have family members held prisoners at the Twins and Kings landing.
@RackEmUpButtercup9376 Жыл бұрын
In the books, the biggest armies mustered and confirmed are The North: 30 000 under Torrhen Stark. This was after having years to gather men and forces. (Fire and Blood) The Vale: 20 000 just between six of their most powerful houses (AFFC), so they can raise well over 30 000. The Westerlands: 35 000 between Jaime and Tywin initially (A Game of Thrones), with Stafford Lannister being able to muster a third (A Clash of Kings). So over 50 000 is reasonable. The Riverlands: Never raise more than 11 000 at a time (Fire and Blood). In the Dance of Dragons they raise 4 000 and 6 600 respectfully. And in the War of the Five Kings, Edmure is able to raise 11 000 to fight Tywin at the Fords, this excluding the 4 000 Freys and the Mootons. Even if you double their numbers due to Casualties, they shouldn’t be able to raise more than 20-30k. The Stormlands: In a Dance of Dragons they raise 6 000, and raise 7.5k to destroy the first Vulture King, and that’s with 3 of the marcher lords alone. So they can person raise 15-20k. The Crownlands: Kings Landing raises 7500 men (excluding sellswords) to defend it from Stannis whilst Stannis has 5 000 men from the Crownlands before his army gets boosted. So between 12.5-15k is reasonable The Reach: 80-100k pretty much. The Iron Islands: A longship in this world apparently holds 33 men a ship (Asha had 1000 men on 30 ships and Theon 250 on 8) and the ships of the iron fleet are three times the size. So the Iron Fleet alone has 9 900 men. The iron Islands should be between 15-20k. Dorne: Raises 10k on short notice for the Battle of the Trident. Robb is able to raise 20k of a possible 30k in the north on short notice so say the Dornish are similar and can only raise 15k in infantry, and if the usual 75/25 split of infantry to cavalry seen in this world is true; then they can only raise 20k in men.
@Grivian Жыл бұрын
Typically the total army size is bigger than the advancing or offensive army size. In real history they usually let half their army defend the homeland from an invasion during the war. Not sure if that is stated somewhere but it would make sense that if Robb marched 20k soldiers to the south that 20k soldiers remained in the north, considering how big the north is.
@Laena_Sforza Жыл бұрын
@@Grivianeso tiene sentido pero cuando robb marcha al sur prácticamente deja al norte sin defensas, los hijos del hierro conquistan varias fortalezas de manera fácil y las defensas norteñas por castillo no suelen ser de un poco más de una centena de personas
@Laena_Sforza 11 ай бұрын
Wtf. What are you talking about? Cregan gathered 20,000 men, if you add the wolves of winter are another 2,000 and a few more that the Manderlys took to protect Rhaenyra. if the campaign should not have involved more than 23,000 men in the dance, in total the north I doubt very much that it can gather an army greater than 30,000 as Torrhen did.@@svg3876
@RackEmUpButtercup9376 11 ай бұрын
@@svg3876 Sorry mate but this is an outright falsehood. I've read Fire&Blood and it never outright states the number of men Cregan marches south with. And it definitely can't be the case since no numbers during the Dance of the Dragons are WAY lower than that. The Baratheon barely gather more than 7 000, the Lannisters have no more men left to defend their lands from the Greyjoy raiding after an army of 8 000 men is destroyed in the Riverlands. The Riverlands raise two armies from out of nowhere and still only barely pass 10 000. No ways could Cregan have Come south with anything CLOSE to that. And you don't use children for army numbers, that is such an outlier that it very RARELY happens.
@MrRenix1990 11 ай бұрын
The undead army : THEY ARE BILLIONS!
@alex1311t Жыл бұрын
Wow, I did not think the Iron Islands had that many troops. I always thought they were a small house and could only muster up a force of like 4k-10k soldiers, not 20k-30k 😂
@madsursin Жыл бұрын
It’s not a house it’s a ton of islands that used to be it’s own kingdom and rule most of the river lands and parts of the storm lands
@thalmoragent9344 Жыл бұрын
@@madsursin Well yeah, but by the time of the main series, it's been around 300 years since Houee Hoare has fallen, and they lost all that land. So I mean, just saying, House Greyjoy should have like, 10k at BEST
@Pemmont107 Жыл бұрын
@@thalmoragent9344 That number probably includes all the sailors? I reckon a lot of their manpower would be for the ships.
@MikolajKnas Жыл бұрын
Small, but very militarised. Basically like 90% of free men are combat capable. Reminder: nearly all iron men were sailors. They have serfs for mining and farming. So, when in feudal society only 1-2% can fight, on Iron Islands it is probably much higher number.
@brianlong2334 Жыл бұрын
@thalmoragent9344 Probably (8,000) but round up to 10k to (16,000) round up to 20k would be more realistic, and a total population at a minimum of 1 million to a tops of 3 million give or take a few hundred thousand each way. Edit: The 3 biggest islands are bigger than Crete, whose capital city alone had a population of some 300k about 2,000 years ago.
@blazeblade761 Жыл бұрын
In the coming books i think the army of the vale with little finger having sansa he can lay claim to the Riverlands and the North and with the knights of the vale he can probably take it
@lelouchvibritannia8997 Жыл бұрын
riverlands yes but not the north, as of now jon snow is robb's heir bcz of which the north would never support sansa and if they find out that rickon is alive then there is no way innhell they will support sansa. even if the moat is in a sorry state, the neck can still ward off any attacks from the south
@videobooks3 Жыл бұрын
Exactly and Sansa can then team up with anyone after that and bring along 3 Kingdoms with her 👍
@imtired3861 Жыл бұрын
@@lelouchvibritannia8997only a few people know of robb’s will. It’s not common knowledge. As far as most lords know, Jon is the bastard lord commander of the nights watch not Robb’s heir. Plus Robb only named Jon heir because he believed bran and rickon to be dead. There’s no way in hell the northern lords would back a bastard nights watch deserter over a trueborn son, hell they probably wouldn’t back him over a trueborn daughter.
@FEEC-tm1mq Жыл бұрын
@@lelouchvibritannia8997 rickon and skagos is still one of my favourite mysterious in westeros
@nicklibby3784 Жыл бұрын
@@lelouchvibritannia8997 true. Moat Cailin is still a formidable choke point. But I feel like little finger is smart enough to find his way around it. He could trick the north into going further south or going further north. Maybe littlefinger sends a small army by boat and attacks Karhold or somewhere else. Or lands by eastwatch by the sea and invades from toward the south from the north while his 2nd army is at the neck pushing to the north from the south. Either that or he could convince the north to move south past the neck with a clever trick, then littlefinger could go right up through. I do not think little finger is smart enough to take over the north AND hold it though. I just think little finger could probably trick the north and get the upper hand on them.......but eventually he would lose the war. I guess kind of like how Robb tricked Twyin with the whole greenfork and whispering woods battle, it was a brilliant plot and strategy and Robb got the upper hand in the beginning and won those first intial battles......but in the end, he lost the war. I could see something similar happening, little finger wins the first few battles with clever tricks and is able to get his army in the north......but then he eventually loses the war because of his arrogance, overconfidence and just not knowing or understand the ways of the north and their culture which causes him to miscalculate his battle plans. Or the winter just gets to him and the cold causes his army to fail. Like little fonger uses tricks and deception to gey his army in the north, and he gets super overconfident but then north lets him take it and waits for winter to gey really cold and then tricks little finger and little finger loses
@fandemusique4693 Жыл бұрын
It's confirmed by Martin than it's between 40 000 and 45 000 for the North. Oddly enough, Dorne have a similar strengh, the Vale, the north and Dorne have been said to have basically the same strengh numbers-wise. As for the Greyjoy, it's closer to 20k then 30k.
@CheeseCrumbs00 Жыл бұрын
Dorne has a lot less, Doran lied to the realm claiming he has 50,000 spears but in reality he only has 30,000 men. You see this in the Arianne chapters.
@fandemusique4693 Жыл бұрын
@@CheeseCrumbs00 I talk of what Martin claim, and yes it surprised me. From the asoiaf wiki, Dorne have roughly the same military strength as the North or Vale.
@henriquecesardesouzasilva8766 Жыл бұрын
It's kinda insane to me how Balon though he could defeat Robert with only his forces. Did he thought the rest of Seven Kingdoms had no ships?
@NotHere07 Жыл бұрын
@@henriquecesardesouzasilva8766he thought that other noble houses like Dorne, Lannisters, and Tyrells would also rebel against the throne after he declare war. He mistakenly thought King Robert's reign is weak and other houses probably would like to be independent now Targaryens are gone.
@danielhughes5932 Жыл бұрын
@@henriquecesardesouzasilva8766his first move was to take Seaguard to prevent a counter attack by sea but that was a huge failure with his idiot oldest son and that changed everything
@filipkrajc842 Жыл бұрын
Its still a colossal feature for dorne and greyjoys. Those few rocky barren islands, and desert people can master strengh third the size of developed cities and fast farmlands
@niccologregorutti9309 Жыл бұрын
Dorne cannot muster that much,Doran constantly lied about his numbers because he wanted the other realms to think that Dorne was more powerful than it actually was. The Iron Island however are quite impressive,mostly because the majority of the population can be recruited because they don't have farmers
@jcdenton7261 Жыл бұрын
Dorne has coastline. Australia is mostly desert, hence most people live near the coast. As for the iron islands, it's said they breed alot with their saltwives to keep their numbers up. I assume they're mostly feeding them with whale meat and trade. What they're trading beats me tho...whale oil and barnacles I guess
@niccologregorutti9309 Жыл бұрын
@@jcdenton7261 I don't think the Iron Islands trade,simply because that goes against the concept of paying the Iron Price. They probably have a subsistence economy heavily dependent on fishing and mining (they are called Iron Islands so I guess there is some iron there to mine) and then they use the resources they already have on their soil such as trees etcetera to build houses and ships,make clothes and forge weapons
@jcdenton7261 Жыл бұрын
@niccologregorutti9309 they definitely trade. All that Balon talk about paying the iron price is him just being an old c*** thinking they're all that
@niccologregorutti9309 Жыл бұрын
@@jcdenton7261 but if they traded they would have no reason to pillage and ravage the coast of Westeros, which would preclude any trade between them and the people that suffered their ravaging
@grassynaga9092 Жыл бұрын
I’m curious where he got those numbers. Because even before the Karstarks marched back north Robb only had about 25,000 men. While Twin had 20,000-30,000, Jamie had 10,000-20,000 and a Lannister family member was mustering an additional 50,000 men. Robb won a huge battle by having Bolton march on Tywin with a majority of the infantry, while he snuck around and set an ambush for Jamie. Which resulted in the battle of the whispering wood and then the battle of the camps where Jamie’s army was separated and easily picked apart by Northern Cavalry men. Bolton lost quite a few men but being experienced made an orderly withdraw. After that Robb snuck through the Westerlands behind Tywin’s lines and ambushed the mustering army at night. Slaughtering nearly the entire host. When Margery was arrested by the High Sparrow her father Mace brought the entire Tyrell army from high garden and has his army camped outside Kings landing over a 100,000 strong. I also think the Iron Born numbers are exaggerated as well. They don’t have those types of numbers. When Asha pleaded with Theon to yield Winterfell and retreat to the coast she said they didn’t have the numbers and their strength relied on quick raids and retreating to the sea.
@nicklibby3784 Жыл бұрын
Im not sure. But I do know where robb got more soldiers, since I did just read the 1st book and am on the 2nd book now. When robb was marching to riverrun he started amassing a much larger army. During the travel to riverun a bunch of sellswords, free rides, hedge knights and small houses and a bunch of other people joined up with robb because the sight of his army marching to riverrun gave them hope. Even robb was surprised, and it was a pretty lucky thing, because if I remeber right, robb was starting to lose people along the way at first traveling to river run and was getting worried if he would have enough men, but then all of the sudden a whole bunch of sellswords, hedge nights, free riders, and small houses ended up joining his army during the march to riverrunans at the point the book said his army was bigger than ever im pretty sure. Because I remeber it was from catelyns point of view and she was thinking about how it capmed her nerves and was very happy how things were working out and it eased her worry and made her prpud of robb because of how so many people ended up joing his army during the march to river run.
@nickdentoom1173 Жыл бұрын
You are forgetting one thing: Not everyone was following Robb at that time + he wanted to keep some in reserve. Robb mostly needed to rely on the Riverland forces as well. The North didn't fill their entire army. Karstarks didn'f field all their men Umbers didn't field all their men Dustins and Ryswells didn't field any men. The Neck didn't field any men (Probably on Robbs orders, as they are the first line of defense) Boltons didn't field all their men Not all Northern clansman where present Mormonts didn't field all their men Manderleys did field a huge amount of men, but did keep some in reserve. Hornwoods didn't field all their men. Tallharts didn'f field all their men So the North probably can muster around 40/50.000 men if everyone contributes everything.
@ericharker3440 Жыл бұрын
Robb didn't have enough time to muster his full strength . The North is vast, and it would take a year at least to get 50,000 soldiers.
@princedaemontargaryen4971 Жыл бұрын
He in fact got a lot of the information wrong and also forgot The Crownlands…
@Human-zx4rb Жыл бұрын
Tywin had 20k, jaime had 15k besieging riverrun. Stafford was mustering only 10k, those were smashed by robb.
@dandanthetvman1819 7 ай бұрын
I love how dorn was completely forgotten on the show lol 😂 also I love how the white walkers almost completely defeat the north but at the end they somehow still have a huge army. The guys in charge of the final season were definitely spending all the writing time reenacting sex scenes from the show with each other
@Jon14141 4 ай бұрын
Lmao mate lmao
@ripsnorter185 Жыл бұрын
More importantly: where was Westeros when the west fold fell!
@lasagne_man 9 ай бұрын
Tell me… why should we ride to the aid of those who did not come to ours?
@ariaarulasan 4 ай бұрын
😂
@gulhantunc9858 Жыл бұрын
In the books Quentyn offered Daenerys 50 000 men from Dorne if she marries him. But also Prince Doran said to Arienne, Dorne is the less populated kingdom in Westeros. So how its working?
@grzexd Жыл бұрын
??Lying is possible??
@andrejbarkac263 Жыл бұрын
Also it depends on how many man they mobilize. If they mobilize every man or just as much as needed because you still needs farmers to produce, Smiths and so on. Maybe that's why in GOT in series Robb Stark mobilized "only" 20 000 men but could mobilize more.
@chrisrubin6445 Жыл бұрын
Doran straight up lied to Quentyn about the population of Dorne. He confirms this in an Arianne chapter.
@thisrandomdude2880 Жыл бұрын
It's a propaganda move. In order to make his conquest of Dorne more grandiose, and justify his hard time taking it, Daeron the Young Dragon made the claim that Dorne could mobilize 50000 men. The Dornishmen, after kicking out the Targaryens and reversing the conquest, decided that they would just, yk, not correct that claim. They made it seem as if Dorne had more power than it actually could muster. Smart.
@CheeseCrumbs00 Жыл бұрын
Doran has been lying to everyone, a close kept secret
@9thAngel 3 ай бұрын
Nightking: Thats cute “Your armies will make a fine addition to my collection!” 😈
@Lightsoul1987 3 ай бұрын
Arya: "Hold my Knife"
@3baxcb 3 ай бұрын
@@Lightsoul1987And the Night King did hold Arya Stark's knife...in his chest before going into pieces.
@raoizawn Жыл бұрын
Sega should make a total war game about Westeros. GOT have a so big potential.
@LegendOfKhaos12 10 ай бұрын
I honestly can’t believe there hasn’t been a real GOT game made. There’s some shitty one but it’s not an actual game really
@UstaRobinHood 9 ай бұрын
@@LegendOfKhaos12is the board game bad? It looks pretty good
@raymondacbot4007 9 ай бұрын
Just get the mods
@raoizawn 3 ай бұрын
@@raymondacbot4007 I'm talking about a real game not mods, Yeah some mods are really good but after all they are just mods. it will be better if we see actually a total war game about GOT.
@raymondacbot4007 3 ай бұрын
@@raoizawn Yeah, I don’t think CA is ever gonna return to this type of Total War unfortunately. Mods are the best option, they are very well made and almost indistinguishable from a new instalment of Total War
@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Жыл бұрын
Something important to remember is that those numbers are scraping the pantry and full mobilization that strips all your farmers, herders, and infrastructure. Most of the Kingdoms can only muster about half their high end numbers.
@Charles-In-Charge Жыл бұрын
You way overstated Dorne’s military. 25K is the number they want their enemies to believe, but Doran informs Arianne that Dorne can only muster 15K spears
@BALLARDTWIN Жыл бұрын
They raised 10k in short notice for the battle of the trident and ur telling us their max is 15k?! Bruh
@legion6211 2 ай бұрын
@@BALLARDTWIN yeahhh... 10k on short notice vs scraping the entire barrel out?
@anonymousperson8475 4 ай бұрын
Both the Riverlands and the North are definitely more ravaged and depleted after the WotFK. I would even argue that the Stormlands come in fourth after the Westerlands, because the Stormlanders actually saw fairly little fighting (basically only the Blackwater, very few men follow Stannis north)
@markobolo4465 Жыл бұрын
I want a Robert's rebellion series 😢😢
@istoppedcaring6209 Жыл бұрын
yeah but they'd probably politicise it to high hell, and since all the major players are allready established in terms of race and geneder even apearance, yeah I doubt they'd be able to do it in a respectable manner
@jay-t1030 Жыл бұрын
After HOTD is complete the next live action spinoff is most likely gonna be about the Blackfyre rebellions.
@CatotheE Жыл бұрын
@@jay-t1030 I thought they were doing Dunk and Egg?
@gentlemanjaxx 9 ай бұрын
@@istoppedcaring6209I hate that politics in movies, shows, and games shit with a passion and those who support it…
@Thrawn23. 8 ай бұрын
@@CatotheEthey are but GRRM said they have a few prequels in the works. One of those is Aegons conquest
@FerretJohn Жыл бұрын
As I've said before, if the show were to be 100% accurate to the books they'd need four times the episodes, 10 times the budget, and it would suck due to information overload, nobody would be able to follow who's who and what's going on.
@animeshsingh5347 Жыл бұрын
You're right!
@danielvandam Жыл бұрын
I would personally have loved it and I think it would just come down to more episodes, but i can see why it wouldnt be the best fit for television so it might be hard to finance
@jacksonmiller1383 Жыл бұрын
Considering the show generated billions it might have been possible lol. But yeah it probably would have been a little confusing for the average TV watcher.
@farmerned6 10 ай бұрын
IT NEEDED MORE EPISODES it didn't need the god-awful, made-up, waste of time Dorne arc
@Boosted_aj 8 ай бұрын
@@jacksonmiller1383no way I’m hell the show made billions. Maybe close to a bil. But no way it hit billions
@matthewy2j Жыл бұрын
Don't forget the navy, where the marines could double as infantry men in a pinch. I believe Stannis as Master of Ships had roughly 5-8K available to him from the Dragonstone levy + the majority of the Navy defecting to Stannis at the beginning of the War of the Five Kings. Though this number is tough to digest considering it likely contains 1. The Navy Marines, 2. The odd lord who defected in the Stormlands, 3. Those of the Crowlands who defected to Stannis, particularly the island / coastal holdings, 4. What Florent Loyalists were able reach Stannis' army before being overwhelmed in the Reach.
@graysondraven Жыл бұрын
Dorne may not have a large army but you have to fight the environment more than them.
@junioalmeidabarbosa7811 Жыл бұрын
Do memso jeito o norte
@Thrawn23. 8 ай бұрын
King Aegon 1 learned that the hard way
@ktvindicare 6 ай бұрын
That's true of the Vale, and the North as well. Both of those regions are almost impossible to invade from the south or in the Vale's case at all. the Reach and Stormlands are the region that are easiest for an invading army to march through which is one of the reasons both of these regions can muster so many men.
@luckyhunter5291 Ай бұрын
@@ktvindicarewell Said
@s_.777 Ай бұрын
unbroken for a reason ❤
@god4143 4 ай бұрын
People not understanding that these houses can’t just have their full armies roused 24/7 is absolutely insane
@3baxcb 3 ай бұрын
That's why they weren't involved in the writing phase, let alone any other stage in production of a medieval fantasy TV show.
@attheend6284 7 ай бұрын
Night king:Hold my beer!!
@stevenlovejoy6838 Жыл бұрын
Lol meanwhile in ancient China a single bandit could probably muster 1 million men to fight his emperor's 7 million men
@d.s.151 5 ай бұрын
"the riverlands [...] who have no strategic defences" Totally ignoring that Riverrun is one of the strongest and most strategically defensive castles in Westeros...
@SantomPh 8 күн бұрын
the Riverlands as a whole are not that well defended as they are flat and surrounded by the other kingdoms.
@marthvader14 Жыл бұрын
How is the Stormlands the most ravaged after the war, there weren't even any battles there
@jeremirusin58 Жыл бұрын
The Blackwater must have been hecatomb for Stormlands' army.
@nickdentoom1173 Жыл бұрын
Because the Stormlands are divided. Not only during Robers Rebellion, but also during the War of the Five Kings. Baratheons don't seem to have that much of a grip on the Stormlands as they want to let us believe.
@user-ti5cw1ug6l Жыл бұрын
Here are the populations and army sizes of the 7 kingdoms: 1. The North has 4 million(M), so 40,000 troops max 2. The Vale has 4M, 40,000 troops 3. The Riverlands have 4M, 40,000 troops 4. The Westerlands have 5.5M, 55,000 troops 5. The Reach has 12M, 120,000 troops 6. The Stormlands have 2.5M, 25,000 troops 7. Dorne has 2.5 M, 25,000 troops 8. The Crownlands have 2.5M so 25,000 troops 9. The Iron Islands have 1.5M so 15,000 troops Keep in mind that these are theoretical maximums that would take weeks or months to muster in the most ideal circumstances so normally the kingdoms go to war with far less. The proportions of the army sizes of the kingdoms are relatively consistent though.
@joshuabeckham2387 Жыл бұрын
The Iron Islands have a very small population comparatively, but they have more warriors do to the culture. There are few farmers , and the Ironborn would often prefer stealing rather than making things them selves. Also, any sailor is a warrior in the eyes of the Ironborn.
@nickdentoom1173 Жыл бұрын
Yeah agreed. Robb went to the Riverlands with only 25.000 men, since not every single house fielded every available soldier and some houses didn't even contribute (The Dustins and the Ryswells probably be choice and the Neck probably on Robbs orders, since they are the first line of defense if the Riverlands fall) and not all Mountain clans contributed either.
@pinecactus9672 Жыл бұрын
Those are about in line with my estimates. I would argue westerland and vale populations are smaler 4-4.5m but they are are able to field more men due to the nature of their economies. Especially westerlands which is much heavier in mining. No one will die of hunger if there are less men to mine the iron, silver and gold especially if the lords break open their vaults and pay people and buy food. Tywin likely kept the largest semi professional army employed. While the rest of the lords relied more on calling up their knights and eventually levies if needed.
@user-ti5cw1ug6l Жыл бұрын
@@joshuabeckham2387 Yeah. The Stormlands are somewhat similar in that regard as they stand out for having a larger warrior culture even in Westeros. This is why the greatest knights mostly hail from the Stormlands. They are also marcher lords so before Dorne was brought into the fold they were constantly at war. A greater concentration of knights in an army would be a game changer and overall a bigger advantage than a few extra troops from feudal levies. Robert Baratheon and many others I imagine proved this. Also, certain kingdoms like the Crownlands and the Stormlands usually work together. Natural defense is pretty important too. It allows a country to be held with fewer men. Stannis Baratheon held Storm's End with 500 starving men.
@albaraqahtani Жыл бұрын
The population-to-army percentage seems very consistent here, 1% of the population in every kingdom are military personnel.
@balaceanuandrei5183 Жыл бұрын
Its insane how George thought those were sensible numbers for a medieval world. Meanwhile in our medieval time, It was the King, his brother and Steve against the other 3 dudes of the rival kingdom.
@isaiahvaldez3330 Жыл бұрын
it's like if George combined the hectic periods of Medieval China's population with European culture and just ran with it.
@JD7Rockefeller Жыл бұрын
In the battle of Grunwald between Polish Kingdom and their allies and Teutonic Order supported by many Holy Roman Empire states fought well over 25 thousand on each side. The biggest battle of War of roses had more than 50 thousands of participants. And if you remember that Westeros is a whole continent those numbers seem pretty accurate. Not to mention Almost 150 thousand people fought in the biggest battle of Romand times.
@freddovich7925 Жыл бұрын
I mean, it's his fantasy world, he can do with it what he wants I figure. But it also kind of makes sense? TL;DR: Westeros has a culture of absolute rule, army logistics are still a pain in the books, and no winter makes everything easier. Let's start by saying that Medieval Europe could actually raise massive armies. The first crusade had like 60k-100k total participants. But Medieval Europe couldn't raise big armies *regularly* for these reasons: - Logistics: not enough food in locations in order to support armies bigger than 10k for long. The Romans beat this with massively complicated logistics, roads, forts, etc - Political fragmentation: even the 'major powers' were limited, due to their rulers having to compete with major lords all the time. France had small armies, because a lot of lords didn't come to the King's aid when he asked for it, same with the HRE. The English had to transport their armies over water, which is crazy expensive. - Winter and harvest. Armies would go out between spring and autumn, so that the peasants could sow their crops, go fighting, and return to harvest in autumn and sit down for the winter. All of these issues don't exist in Westeros, which is also bigger than Western Europe so it can support more people. But also: - Logistics are discussed in the books, and its a reason why the armies keep splitting up, so that they can spread their living off the land and get enough food for their men; - Power is way less fragmented, due to 300+ years of absolute monarchy enforced by dragons. Not a lot of rebellions for this long creates a culture of obedience to absolute power. This does break down in the books and show, but it's nothing compared to the Byzantine Empire or the HRE in the Middle Ages, where civil wars and palace coups happened thrice a week it seems. This means, when Robb Stark calls his bannermen, they almost all come to him, same for the other great lords. - There is no winter. Food grows year-round, and armies can campaign year-round because they won't freeze in the winter. There's way more food available and growing everywhere because it doesn't all die off in winter.
@finndaniels9139 10 ай бұрын
@@JD7Rockefeller I mean it's debatable if there were actually >50,000 at Towton. Even if there were, it's an anomaly in regard to other battles of the time period, and the Lancasters couldn't raise another army of any meaningful scale for years. It seems that were anomalies in terms of usual medieval army composition are the norm in Westeros. Which is interesting. The ancient times were obviously different
@JD7Rockefeller 10 ай бұрын
@@finndaniels9139 Well it was only a civil war of one country . As I said Grunwald had something like 60 thousand participants. Armies above 30 thousand weren't unusual.
@joelschittenhelm5571 Жыл бұрын
Crownlands and Daenerys armys would be interesting aswell as kingslanding alone
@videobooks3 Жыл бұрын
Crownlands are about 10,000. They were in the original short but had to be cut to make the short under 1 minute
@pauselab5569 Жыл бұрын
There is a few hundred goldcloaks inflated to around 2k by Cersei hiring anyone she can find
@nighthawk_2k827 Жыл бұрын
In the end these numbers are not that much important or at least they don’t tell you, what you might think they tell you. Everybody supposes, that this is the number of men that could be mustered in total, but I think, it means, that this is the size an army from the kingdoms would have, meaning an army from the Reach would usually have 80,000 men (more then everyone else, since they have good roads and a good supply of food). Else it would be totally unrealistic, and GRRM has a certain knowledge of history and historic warfare). Westeros is around the length of South America, so much bigger then England. In the Wars of the Roses England lost around 200,000 men and it is generally said, that this was a war, which scarcely effected the commoners. And there is never a mention of big economic problems in for example the North (besides that some of the land is ravaged by armies) even though a good half of the supposed strength that the North could muster died in the south. Which concludes, the North can field armies of around 50,000 max, but if 50,000 die, they still have 50,000 and more to replace them, same with any other kingdom. But this only accounts to the commoners, which amount to the balk of this armies, not for the men-at-arms (knights or non-knights with the equipment of knights) or the nobles and lords (the educated and trained for leadership and warfare).
@lonemotheo1964 Жыл бұрын
Numbers aren't always to be trusted Stannis beat Mance's 100 000 army with only 1500 men But the big players in the winds of winter will most likely be Jon Snow with 4000 wildlings Stannis with less than 5000 men The Boltons with 4000 +1500 Frey men The Riverlands Freys have about 2 500 who might go to war with each other The Vale with 45 000 men The Lannister's have around 20 000 men The Reach has 50 000 The golden company has 10 000 men Euron has 900 ships Dorne probably has 15-20 000 men at most Dany right now she has 8 000 unsullied with 2000 storm crows, 500 seconds sons, 100 Victoreons ships and the Tattereds Princes unknown number of sell swords as well... She will likely get 100 000 Dothraki screamers, the support of Norvos courtesy of Quentyn and possibly the support of Braavos with their 30 000 men maybe more but I don't know how many she will have left as she going to deal with Volantis, Yunkhai, Pentos, Tyrosh and Qarth
@Tamam_Shud Жыл бұрын
Stannis didnt beat Mace. Mace besieged Storm End where Stannis was hold out for the entirety of Roberts Rebellion in an attempt to stay as neutral as possible during the war. Hence he was labelled a coward afterwards, albeit it was a clever political move. There was no actual fighting taking place at Storms End between Mace and Stannis.
@lonemotheo1964 Жыл бұрын
@@Tamam_Shud mance Raider
@nimrodlutar1212 7 ай бұрын
The support of Bravos in unlikely simply because they hate valyrians (Bravos is founded by ex slaves of Valyria), Dany doesn't have much chance, at the moment she steps on the lands of Westeros she loses Essos since she's a weak ruler and untrusted by the nobility back there.
@amikoyan42 2 ай бұрын
I don't think Wildling was that many after battle of the Wall
@devjadav2902 Ай бұрын
More Accurate Numbers: North: 35,000 Vale: 35,000 Riverlands: 40,000 Westerlands: 45,000 Crownlands: 15,000 Reach: 70,000 Stormlands: 30,000 Dorne: 25,000 Iron Islands: 10,000
@umurtagh0083 9 ай бұрын
If the North can muster 50,000 men, and Rob marched south with only 18,000, with 1/5 making it back home after the war (probably mostly Bolton men) which means if the North is ever united again it can still field a pretty strong force in the later books.
@Dell-ol6hb Ай бұрын
No idk what this video is talking about, they cannot muster 50,000 men, in the books we can see the toll the loss of 20,000 men in the War of the Five Kings has on the North, there’s still some fighting men left in the North but not much and the Northenr houses are struggling to raise enough men
@Force-Multiplier Жыл бұрын
So let me get this straight in the books Rob had the 50000 Northern men plus the 45000 to 50000 men from the Riverlands ? no wonder he never lost a battle Tywin was basically fighting an army with twice his forces that's even more troops than Renly ...
@mateuszkosior2827 Жыл бұрын
no he didnt he have 22 k own men 8 k from riverland and 4 k of frays but army was split in half before reaching twins so he did have about 23 k when he atack jamy lanister army at riverlands (Jamie army was about 20 k at this point but split into 3 camps) also there was waiting for aproxy 20 k ppl from vale but they never came
@Dell-ol6hb Ай бұрын
No he had around 20,000 men + 4,000 men from the Freys, there’s also the Tullly Army which was another nearly 20,000 men but the Tully forces were just busy defending the Riverlands which were most of the war’s fighting occurred
@allisonargent2209 Жыл бұрын
The Vale and Dorne are still untouched but a battle between these two armies likely won’t happen
@josephohara2457 Ай бұрын
I loved those MRE especially the chill Mac
@bismarck5566 Ай бұрын
I live in Korea, but East Asia is strange to see that the number of large armies raised by ancient Western kingdoms is tens of thousands. Among the ancient kingdoms of East Asia, China in the early 7th century raised 1.13 million troops in the war against the kingdom of Goguryeo, and since then, the war has been clashed by hundreds of thousands of troops, so 50,000 people seem very small.
@vikramaadityamishra7303 Жыл бұрын
You forgot the Free Folk who contributed around 100,000 to the Night King’s army.
@trev9168 Жыл бұрын
It shouldn’t have mattered. Dany and Jon should’ve had a army 80 k strong with dragons and around 40 k of Calvary on top of that. But no. The show had a putrid 18k during the long night. What a joke
@JW-jd6sn 11 ай бұрын
Wasnt really an army. More just pure population including women and children
@laxus9451 Жыл бұрын
a song of ice and fire needs a fullmetal alchemist brotherhood treatment
@CatotheE Жыл бұрын
You mean like the first anime, because George is probably never going to finish his books?
@sauwensvk7589 9 ай бұрын
it pretty much did get the fma 2003 treatment, except worse.... GRRM won't be here to long enough for Game Of Thrones: Brotherhood, i'm afraid
@thanatoswaker2778 Жыл бұрын
I love how in Feast, Doran says that Dorne is the less populated kingdom, and yet they still have aprox. 10k more men than the Iron Islands. Not even the characters in the book care for the Iron Islands 😂
@twistedinnocence8617 Жыл бұрын
From what I've read the Lannisters can muster about 60,000. Tyrells is 70000. The Starks, Arryns, Tully, and Baratheons are similar at about 40-50 and the Greyjoys and Dornish are around 25-35.
@verward Жыл бұрын
From what you read where? Those numbers are certainly not from the armies they have in the books except fornthe tyrells.
@princedaemontargaryen4971 Жыл бұрын
North: 40-45k Iron Island: 20-22k Riverlands: 40-45k Vale of Arryn: 40-45k Westerlands: 50-55k Crownlands: 10-15k Stormlands: 30-35k The Reach: 80-100k Dorne: 35-40k Source: A Wiki of Ice and Fire, The World of Ice and Fire, The Lands of Ice and Fire, Fire and Blood, Rise of the Dragon. All books written by GRRM and his team. The Wiki is the most credible source when it comes to ASOIAF. Fandom is the worse source to obtain information from, it literally tries saying The Manderlys have a silver mine when they in fact don’t.
@podomuss 5 ай бұрын
Speaking of inconsistencies, let’s talk about how just the neck is the size of Scotland horizontally. Westeros is way oversized for how quickly people get around. It’s unwieldy. You could fit like 50 scotlands in Westeros
@philipped.r.6385 Ай бұрын
Interestingly, these numbers are way higher than what the actual medieval armies could muster. In fact, even in very decisive battles like the Battle of Bouvine (1214) where France, under the direct command of king Philippe II Augustus, crushed a coalition led by Holy Roman Emperor Otto IV, the total number of soldiers was under 20,000. The French had about 7000 men while the Emperor commanded slightly less than 9000 men. Even after the war where Philippe II annexed most of the English possessions in France, he could muster only about somewhere under 25,000 men in total from the royal domain.
@brunoperez5062 Жыл бұрын
But robb only called 20000 men,stannis attacke kings landing with 20000,tyrell is accurate,and cst confirmed in one of her chapters that after some battles the Riverlands only had 15000 men,and i doubt they lost 30000 men in two battles
@videobooks3 Жыл бұрын
This is from the books 👍
@soumyadeepghosh8594 Жыл бұрын
Iirc, Quentyn promised Dany they have 50K Swords and Spears waiting for her in Dorne
@zededs23 Жыл бұрын
Firstbof all robb didn't have time to muster his full army neither did the riverlands. Just because they have the manpower to must 45 - 50,000 doesn't mean that they did or the circumstances allowed them too. U are taking numbers and completely missing context behind it.
@soumyadeepghosh8594 Жыл бұрын
@@zededs23 but I really doubt the North can field so many soldiers. Other than Robb's army. The second army Ser Rodrick Mustered to retake Winterfell and the Bolton force attacking them was around 2k iirc. And later the Umbers had resorted to using 'Green Boys' as mentioned by Theon in the sample chapters. So even if given the benefit of doubt, let's say they have 10k in reserve. Still doesn't add up. Also, Roberts forces which took on the Rhaegar's army was around 35k and that included the entirety of North, and some of the Vale, Riverlands,Stormlands.
@nordlling Жыл бұрын
Robb can gather 50,000 men if he's given the time
@stc3145 Жыл бұрын
Very large for Medieval armies
@nighthawk_2k827 Жыл бұрын
No not really. Medieval armies didn’t called up the strength of the whole region, but what they were able to muster in a certain amount of time, what they can pay and what was logistically useful. At Towton for example fought in total about 80,000 to 100,000 men, but this was a very short campaign. Normally armies of princes were around 10,000 to a maximum of 40,000 strong, since this was a number that could be supplied. A 100,000 like Renly had could never be supplied, not packed so tightly and never in any period, from the ancient world to even nowadays
@stc3145 Жыл бұрын
@@nighthawk_2k827 It is Medieval fantasy
@jeremirusin58 Жыл бұрын
Be aware of size of the world. It's as big as South America with European population density. It's unlikely, but may be possible
@nighthawk_2k827 Жыл бұрын
They have millions of men in reserve, but they cannot supply them in one single army. This is not a matter of population, it’s about the supply chain being too big and the army moving too slowly. Even armies like the ones I mention are having problems with supplying them, since the food they bring with Themis used up quickly and that many men eat more food then the country can supply. If an army of 100,000 were to marched through a territory, the rearguard would just starve, cause the van and center already ate all the food in the countryside. Supply is also a theme in the books, looking at Stannis and Daenerys for example
@Rifqiethehero Жыл бұрын
Meh, it's not that large if we compare it to other medieval places such as medieval Islamic Sultanate/Caliphate can muster from 100K up to 500K Men, so yeah
@bread1542 Ай бұрын
At the end of the day it's not about who has the most numbers, it's about which army can maintain that number throughout the war.
@dennit1221 27 күн бұрын
As a logistics and supply chain officer, it hurts seeing all those armies marching across the map without any visible supply line or logistics being shown 🥹
@Krullio Жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to add the night’s watch (I think was about 500) and the wildlings to this short as a sense of perspective. And follow on with another short covering the Essos armies/factions
@ugipse Жыл бұрын
50,000 is far too many for the North. This is on the basis that the nom-cannon estimate is normally 45,000, however the Starks lost huge numbers in the war against The Mad King. While 15-16 years have past, this is not enough time to fully replenish numbers. It is therefore likely the North’s strength is 35,000-40,000 (which includes the Wall, Gift and New Gift)
@AJK17.5 Жыл бұрын
It probably is enough to replenish numbers, I'd imagine boys going to war at 16 in this universe and younger 4 5 year olds during the mad King being old enough to now fight, kind of makes sense
@ugipse Жыл бұрын
@@AJK17.5 young boys would be replaced, but not the mid to older vets lost. The truth is in the numbers; Robb would have taken several thousand more men south than just 18,000-20,000 if the North was at full strength. Plus, if it was at full strength, that would have left 25,000-27,000 to take on the Ironborn. However, we have only seen around 10,000 materialise from CoK to DoD. Yes Manderley’s full strength, plus the smaller houses in his influence, the Flints, Reeds and Skagosi is yet to be confirmed, but we’re likely talking sub-5,000. Thus, the North’s strength is so far confirmed to be 30,000-35,000. Accounting for the garrisoned/unmobilised men after now 2 years of war, I’d say another 5,000 is BEST case scenario.
@AaronGuest Жыл бұрын
They didn't lose alot of men in Robert’s Rebellion. 50k is a pretty easy estimate for them. Also 15-16 years is quite a large time to replenish their numbers, especially when there wasn't any winter that happened.
@ugipse Жыл бұрын
@@AaronGuest see above. They didn’t lose many men in the Greyjoy Rebellion, but the War of the Mad King was massively costly for the North and the Stormlands. Hence why the Stormlands was only able to field ~20,000 in the War of the Five Kings, about 75-85% of their normal strength.
@Dr._Nope Ай бұрын
It's not necessarily the size of army that matters, but the logistics, tactical capabilities, proficiency of the army, etc. All of that doesn't matter though if the army itself isn't put to good use.
@Archer-op9cp Жыл бұрын
Martin, my man, paid little to none attention to the logistics classes
@nater1328 6 ай бұрын
“The Rivelands have no strategic defenses” the book goes through great pains to illustrate that you CANNOT cross the trident without taking the twin towers of House Fray, and it would be impossible to take the twin towers since storming one, leaves you vulnerable from attack from the other.
@MorallyDubiousFrog 6 ай бұрын
You can cross without the Freys. Robb had to deal with the Freys because Tywin Kannister was guarding the other crossing further south.
@dineshbalu6107 Жыл бұрын
In general Dornish are the best fighters and the Vale are the best Knights and the Stormlands are the furious ones and the North and the Riverlands are the best Survivors, the Ironborn were the Savages... The Lannisters and the Reach are always the Richest and always has the hughest number of Soldiers in their Army. Note - The Lannister Army under Tywin was the highly trained and most perfect Army in Westeros in that time...
@nordlling Жыл бұрын
Actually the two best armies in westeros are the North and the Reach
@CheeseCrumbs00 Жыл бұрын
You can see in the books who are the best fighters. The Stark house guard claim that one northman is worth 10 Lannisters. But Arya gets angry when she only see one Lannister guard for the same northman who made that claim. Most of the kingdoms seem equal in skill apart from one, the Ironborn. The Ironborn are far and away the best fighters in Westeros. When Asha is in deepwood motte she has a band of 25 and when surrounded in the woods by southern knights and northmen they fight till dawn till only 9 of them remain. Asha herself cuts down many fighters before twisting breaking her ankle and falling before a northern champion. Although we do not see the Dornish fight en mass yet, but judging but Gerris and Yronwood they seem the same as most other warriors.
@AJK17.5 Жыл бұрын
@@nordllingunder tywin its the lannisters
@dineshbalu6107 Жыл бұрын
@@nordlling With all due respect, the North was not and never been the Best army in Westeros. Their Army is not particularly trained but consists of untrained Savages lol... So if u truly want the best Armies for Reference, I'll give u for certain Timelines... The Best Army in 1. Got timeline - Lannister Army. 2. Dance of the Dragons - Riverlands Army. 3. Aegon's Conquest - Ironborn army in Solo. If u want combined then it is the Reach and the Lannisters...
@dineshbalu6107 Жыл бұрын
@@CheeseCrumbs00 The reason why I said the Dornish as best Fighters in General is because the North has not the only Harshest Conditions in the Realm, but it actually is the Dorne. Their Deserts and irresistible heat naturally made them more Cruel, Hard and Harsh compared to the rest of the Region. Also the Rhoynar are said to be some of the Fine Skilled people in Essos, also there r many references in the book that they fight and fuck like crazy.. In the show Bronn says the same too... During Robert's Rebellion Rhaegar and Lewin Martell were very sure that the 10000 Dornishmen are more than enough for the rebels... Also there is this factor of them using Poisoned blades and long spears rather than just swords and hammers truly makes them the Deadliest...
@cemsenol5527 Жыл бұрын
Stark army has always been the most impactful.
@nimrodlutar1212 7 ай бұрын
Not at all, the most impactful Kingdom is either the Reach or the Westerlands. Both of them actually can finance a war unlike the North. This hype on the North is just as hilarious as the hype on Daenerys
@ousseynougueye5949 7 ай бұрын
@@nimrodlutar1212Do you even know what "impactful" mean ?
@er1115 7 ай бұрын
@@ousseynougueye5949maybe he/she meant "capable " ?
@stillbrian9448 9 күн бұрын
They made a big point in the early seasons that Robb only had 25000 and Jon later on like half of that. Was this 50000 figure before the wars?
@Raymund38TVM 9 күн бұрын
The north is 2 houses, it's Tully House Leaded by Catelyn Tully Stark, while Stark House is Leaded by Ned Stark. So if we combined the soldiers of Tully and Stark it's 100,000 soldiers too just like Tyrell House. And if you combined Tully and Stark House it is much bigger than to Tyrell House. The Only Different is Stark and Tully are the Poorest House in the 7 Kingdoms since they had lack of Exportation they can't farm because of the winter so their goods in the winterfell is very limited than to other houses just like Tyrell and Lannister Houses they are the 2 richest House in the 7 Kingdoms.
@segmenteddig6822 3 күн бұрын
@@Raymund38TVMThe head of House Tully is Cats Father and then Edmure Tully, Cat became a Stark once she married Edd. And once Edd lost his head Rob was the head of House Stark like you said.
@jopkloosterziel5942 Ай бұрын
I do not agree with everyone saying the Riverlands doesn't have defences. Sure enough not on its borders, but in times of war, its many rivers like the Trident and the Blackwater are strategic points which they can hide themselves behind. Mountains aren't the only natural form of defense, rivers are useful too.
@juribe5202 Жыл бұрын
Northeners are worth 3 normal men though 😏
@DrDoom931 Жыл бұрын
I thought Rodrik said 10? Lol
@DJ-vk4rp Жыл бұрын
@@DrDoom931and the little SHE BEAR herself was worth 10 southerners. And she was just 10 years old. House Mormont remembers
@dineshbalu6107 Жыл бұрын
Nahh, That's Dornish not the North... In general Dornish are the best fighters and the Vale are the best Knights and the Stormlands are the furious ones and the North and the Riverlands are the best Survivors, the Ironborn were the Savages... The Lannisters and the Reach are always the Richest and always has the hughest number of Soldiers in their Army. Note - The Lannister Army under Tywin was the highly trained and most perfect Army in Westeros in that time...
@CheeseCrumbs00 Жыл бұрын
@@DrDoom931Desmond said 10 and then died to one Lannister man at arms lol. The ironborn are worth 10. The rest are all worth about the same.
@niccologregorutti9309 Жыл бұрын
@@dineshbalu6107 That is completely made up. The Vale has the best knights because of their tradition,the same however can be said for the Reach,which is well known for their knights, probably also because they can feed them better than the other kingdoms. The men of the North are usually physically stronger than the others because of the harsh conditions they live in. But there is no difference between the soldiers of the Stormlands, Westerlands, Crownlands and Riverlands, they are the same people, the only difference is how they are trained and equipped. The dornish people are even smaller physically than the people of the other kingdoms,and they're equipped lightly compared to them,so I don't really see why you say they are the best soldiers,they are not and that's why their strength relies on their deserts and why Doran has to lie about the number of soldiers he can muster
@officerkaiser9100 2 ай бұрын
Not surprised the Reach can muster that much. With their connection to Knighthood within the Seven Kingdoms and the Marchers of the Reach being the main line of defense against Dorne, those numbers are very much understandable.
@Dranwulf 2 ай бұрын
Best land for their army, the Tyrells really are the most formidable armies in westeros. Sadly they don't have outstanding tacticians to back said army. However if they waited a little longer they could have taken the iron throne and established one of their own as King.
@CheeseCrumbs00 Жыл бұрын
Kevan Lannister thinks that the Lannisters can gather 60,000 men. The Riverlands can field less as Tywin believes that the Riverlands and North strength may just out number the Lannisters in AGOT, meaning that although the North can gather a lot, they can't gather as much as the Lannisters.
@niccologregorutti9309 Жыл бұрын
The North in my opinion can gather at least as much as the Lannister, however Tywin rightly considers that it's almost impossible for the North to gather all their men in time and march them South at a decent speed
@twistedinnocence8617 Жыл бұрын
@@niccologregorutti9309the North is huge and far away. It takes time to gather everyone and supplies for the army. Robb got as many as he could in short amount of time of about 20thousand.
@chrisr4023 Ай бұрын
Unlike the show, Lannisters were not running out of gold so they can technically muster as much army as they can pay. Same for the tyrells. In terms of bannermen, if it is an all or nothing situation, the North will surely have 1.5-2 times more men than any other kingdom.
@victormelendez2332 2 ай бұрын
The Riverlands: Roughly 45,000 (House Frey has more soldiers than most of the house in the region having a total of 4,000, 1,000 knights and 3,000 foot soldiers. The Vale: As many as 45,000 and +100 ships. The Reach: 80,000-100,000 and the Redwyne Fleet of 200 Warships. House Hightower of the city of Old Town once rallied and army of 9,000. The Iron Islands: 20,000 warriors and the Iron Fleet composed of 100 galley sized longships armed with scorpions nd spitfires. Dorned: It is believed they can field 50,000 men though that it was and exageration to make the conquest of Dorne seem more Impressive, however their military power is considered comparable to that of the North and Vale. The Westerlands: They can field an army 50,000 though sending that amount to the field leaves their land vulnerable, however with their wealth, they can increase their army through the hiring of sellswords and hedge Knights. Their Naval power is considered around 50-60 ships. The Stormlands: They can field 30,000 soldiers, the lords the live in the marches that divide Dorned and the Stormland such as from House Swan, Selmy, Caron and Dondarrion are acclaimed for their bowmen. The Crownlands: 10,000-15,000. The Goldcloaks of Kings Landing is around 3,000-6,000. Naval Power is the Royal Fleet. The North: Their power is similar to that of Dorne and The Vale. In a short time they can roughly field 20,000 it once rook it them 2 years to field and march an army of 40,000. House Manderly at White Harbor has a small Fleet around 35 to 40 ships.
@dannyn6036 7 ай бұрын
But you gotta remember that the majorities of those armies are from their house bannermen, and not even their own army. So if u let’s say somehow lose your bannermen’s trust or raise an army to fight for a pointless war, those numbers will not stay like that, and u might even face a rebellion
@johnb6546 Ай бұрын
Technically the north has the most at roughly 150K men combined, Ned’s wife is a Tully (Riverlands) and he was raised partially by John Arryn who is lord of the Vale is also married to his wife’s sister….
@yseson_ Ай бұрын
I was say the Stormlands are most depleted of armies but the Riverlands are the most ravaged. Whole towns gone, entire castles razed with only their holdfast remaining
@robbomegavlkafenryka6158 Ай бұрын
In the Books, it actually looks something closer to this. The North 30K men: Robb Stark raised 20K men, Bolton gathered, I think, an additional 5K after returning to Winterfell, and Stannis gathering the support of 4K Clansmen and 1K Northmen from other houses. With potentially more men Riverlands: approximately 25K men having a bit more of an underestimate due to Edmure losing an undetermined number of men on the Gold Road. Westerlands: 40-50K, with Tywin’s initial 35K men plus the thousands of men Stafford, Daimon, and Davon Lannister raised after his departure. Stormlands: 20-30K, the Tyrell’s having 60-70K after the Stormlanders were removed from their combined host of 90K at Bitterbridge. Reach: 70-60K for the above reasons. Vale: 20K I believe is the only real estimate we have. Crowlands: 15-20K depending on if you count the Goldcloaks. Dorne: publicly claims 30K but actually possesses the smallest army in the kingdom, only possibly excluding the Iron Isles that doesn’t have an army only a navy. The Iron Ilse: possesses a navy with approximately 30K if the average of 30 ships equals a thousand men can be believed and we believe that the Iron Islands do actually have a thousand ships. But it’s likely closer to a third of that if the numbers during the Greyjoy Rebellion could be believed.
@Keptaro 8 сағат бұрын
Iron Islands is about half of the entire population if you can even talk about "military". Most of them are seafarers. Just very violent.
@cigothebrandnewfox Ай бұрын
I can't understan how the Iron Islands can have 20k men. The islands are too small and poor of resources to have this size.
@DJISBEST Ай бұрын
The islands are not small and iron islands basically has no farmers , every men is a soldier there
@cigothebrandnewfox Ай бұрын
@@DJISBESTi am Sorry but this is impossible. In that society there Is no technology so most of the man must work to provider food, just like in every medieval country, cows dont give milk themselves and fish dont jump into the nets. And of you look at the official maps the size of the islands Is as big as the land of house Mallister, but rocky and inhospitable.
@anonykip 27 күн бұрын
Dorne doesn’t need a lot though. They were the only kingdom who weren’t conquered and joined the 7 Kingdoms through alliance.
@OrkWarbossThrakka Жыл бұрын
It’s about specialisation also. The Lannisters have wealth for resources if needed, and if an army would accept. The North would fair better defensively as they are more adept to the colder environment. The entrance to the Vale is quite narrow, so opportunities if overwhelming them is not likely.
@chrisbo5288 4 күн бұрын
I think Danearys has the biggest army, she can use 100000 Dotraki and let them die in a battle and then sendeng another 100000 man in the next battle to die and then send them again afterwards. It is just switching of scenery. I think if she just forgets that she lost them one or two episodes ago she can use them one episode later. This is so deep that no other Lords and Ladies of Westeros could use this trick.
@ogBohica 9 ай бұрын
“Has no defenses” Riverrun was the best defended castle in the realm due to its land surrounding which is how Robb Stark beat Jaime
@jamesoldham9995 Жыл бұрын
Pretty realistic numbers. It also makes sense that the Tyrells would have the largest army. Their fertile farmlands would allow them a high population.
@dexterchoy7756 11 ай бұрын
That’s why a full force of North, Rivers, Vale and Storm men are way scarier!
@dariomeininger4541 10 ай бұрын
Another point for the consideration of who will be victorious is the equipment, experience and the Commander. An real world example: Prussia fought and won more than one war against an Alliance of Austria, France and Russia. It had less troops BUT they were experienced, well trained, and had really good officers. (I don’t know the kings name in English because it’s not my mother tongue but in German it’s Friedrich der Große)
@baruto1353 Жыл бұрын
The information that is in the video is from a semi-canon source. In addition, Georg Martin misjudges a lot of things, at least as far as numbers are concerned. What we do know is that the North could bring in around 25,000 men in the War of the Five Kings because Robb went to Moat Callin with 12,000 men and when he arrived he had 18,000 men. He later took another 1,500 men from White Harbor When the ironborn took Winterfell, Ser Rodrick raised an army of 1,900 men to retake Winterfell. Ser Rodrick's army was later attacked by Ramsay who had 600 men and what we know is the North Mountains Clans gave Stannis an army of 3,000, so you get the number 25,000, which is quite realistic because Torrhen could bring an army of 30,000 men. The Westerland can bring in around 40,000 to 45,000 men because Tywin went north-east with an army of 35,000 men and divided them up giving Jamie 15,000 and himself 20,000 and we know that Stafford had an army of recruits or peasants and stuff further. We can assume at most that he fielded 5,000 to 10,000 men if we ignore the 4,000 who managed to flee the Battle of the Camps and join Stafford. Coming to Dorne this time, many think that Dorne could bring 50,000 men, however, this was only claimed by Daeron Targaryen the first because he wanted the Dorne army to appear more powerful to make his conquest more difficult, and Dorne accepted it because it made them look much stronger . The only number we know is that Dorne could bring 10,000 men into Robert's rebellion.
@fleedance Ай бұрын
that still seems like quite a high number for the iron islands. Since they can't grow anything and are always on raid so that has quite a bit of attrition.
@andrewstephen2359 Ай бұрын
The Tullys are the first to enter the war and the last to surrender. They also defeat at least 1 lannister army single handedly and another with Robbs help. They did alright.
@balin1920 11 ай бұрын
These numbers are pretty nuts for medival armies. Battle of Grunwald, one of the biggest battles in the late medival period had 25.000 Poles, Lithuanians, Czech and Russian mercanaries and even Tatars on one side and about 16.000 Teutonic knights made up of mercenaries, order forces, and volunteers from across Europe on the other. At the time these kingdoms were huge and rich. I dont know how each of these lands have 40k a pop.
@BigBroKuma 10 ай бұрын
I mean Westeros is nearly the size of South America and is only split between 7 kingdoms. And they've been stuck in the medieval ages for a long time. But being able to muster an army that large and actually mustering that army are too different things. But I'd say the Iron Islands numbers are a bit crazy 😂 but I think the map drawers might have messed up the scale of the Iron Islands in comparison to everything else.
@scolack123 6 ай бұрын
Rome lost 125,000 soldiers in 2 years to Hannibal and only controlled the italian pennisula and sardinia in 218BC
@Dogboon- Ай бұрын
Riverlands have the rivers as their main defenses. It even says so in the books. Depleted Stormlands? When? After battle of the blackwater, maybe. The quoted army sizes come from a clash of kings. Which Is the number for the mobilised armies. Not every available fighting man.
@Bryce911 Жыл бұрын
Based on what’s said from the show the north mustered 18,000 and the lannisters 60,000 (Tywin gave Jaime half the army and he says 30,000 men) and renly had 100,000 with the tyrells and stormlands put together. Meaning the stormlands and reach had around 50,000 each more likely leaning towards the reach.
@B1ackWolf Жыл бұрын
Robb only had 18 thousand men because he built the army in a rush and kept recruiting as they moved south. The north is huge, so it would have taken a while to build and march a 50 thousand men army. The shows numbers don't really make sense, for example in the show Jon orders for everyone in the north to become a soldier to fight the night king. And then proceeds to say that he only has 10 thousand men. If the entire north only had 10 thousand men, you'd never meet another person while living in it.
@Bapterion01 Жыл бұрын
The Crownland have 30 000 permanent soldiers with 10 000 reserves, The North have 20 000 permanent soldiers with 20 000 reserves soldiers and it's the same effectives in the Riverlands and the Vale, The Westerlands have 60 000 permanent soldiers with 30 000 reserves soldiers and it's the same effectives in the Stormlands but a half the reservists soldiers of the Stormlands moved to the Crownlands for reinforce the capital and his dependencies territories but are destroyed in the final battle, The Iron-Islands have 50 000 warriors with 10 000 reserves warriors, Dorne have 20 000 permanent soldiers with 20 000 reserves soldiers and the Reach have 80-100 000 permanent soldiers with 40 000 reserves soldiers.
@emiramrullahworld4882 2 ай бұрын
Imagine a cross over portal when the Orcs of Mordors, Isengard and Gundabad Invades This Lands that makes these kingdoms unite to repel the orcs back to portals 😮🔥
@Sadeyr 5 ай бұрын
I thought the North would have the majority of men, I always assumed that was why the North was considered a threat if it rose up- the vast size and the number of soldiers. The fact its on par with Lannister, and poor in comparison to the Lannisters, makes them far less intimidating.
@LordJuppitertheFirst 11 ай бұрын
I think the most crucial role is played by the Army of the Deads… Without dragon glass (and only the Stormlands have much obsydian) they’re near unkillable!
@legion6211 2 ай бұрын
Me with a bo'le of oil and a match
@TinyBlitz8 Ай бұрын
No matter how big any army is when it is fighting against a massive dragon that turns them to ashes in a few seconds.
@princeytron 5 ай бұрын
No one mentions the Crownlands. A specific region around Kings Landing that was contested land before Aegons landing. It was reformed into the Crownlands and is the lans the royal Targaryen family directly rules like they do Dragonstone. There’s also Kings Landing itself. Sure the Crownlands aren’t a *kingdom* of Westeros, but it’s an important geographical and economic region. You can think of it as a Federal territory like how the US lands where the Federal Government reside (the White House, Capitol building, etc) but are directly managed by the Federal Government and not the states even if the land was originally of that state before being turned into this federal territory. Similarly the Crownlands are lands that were part of the Stormlands and Ricerlands (river lands being an Ironborn occupied territory. The borders were murky and each lord in the land didn’t have clear sides. This is why Aegon landed in these lands, he had dragons and could fly to land anywhere while others fly (Dragonstone and drifmark have always had enormous formidable fleets. But due to landing in those contested lands it allowed Aegon breathing room as the Kings of the bordering kingdoms were dilly-dallying hoping the others would attack Aegon so they wouldn’t have to. Thus it allowed Aegon to attack all the local castles and unite the lords therein. Those first ever loyal lords, plus the surrounding entities of the Blackwater that served Dragonstone/The Targaryens, are the Crownland lords, they are the ones first ever brought under Aegon’s banner and got to be the first few to witness Aegon’s declaration of becoming High King of Westeros. I wish more vids mentioned and talked about this area as it’s a really powerful important one. It is directly surrounding the most important city, the capital. It is directly High-Lorded by the Targaryen family (going based on when the Targs were in charge). And are seen as the most loyal Targaryen loyalists.
@mgd8867 6 күн бұрын
20-30k from the iron islands is insane considering they can’t farm and the islands are small.
@billychops1280 Жыл бұрын
The north, Vale, Riverlands, and Dorne can muster 45K max, maybe slightly lower if they’ve had Hardships lately, the Lannisters can muster 50K but can easily add an additional 10K with mercenaries since their gold is obviously limitless. The Tyrrells at the absolute most can bring 100K but that’s assuming they’ve been prosperous for a while, most of the time their armies range from 75-80K since they don’t have enough time to muster every single soldier plus they have to leave some to garrison all the castles in the reach, Mern Gardener had around 40K men in his hastily assembled army to fight Aegon (but also Oldtown refused to fight) this is force is equivalent to Robb status 12K that he assembled to go south, we can see that the North can bring together 12K when the reach easily brings forth 40K, the Stormlands can field 30K max but they have the strongest knights in terms of prowess, thus is because of their Marcher lords (swan, Dondarian, Selmy and so on) the Crownlands can muster 15K max and usually the Crownlands are torn between fighting factions in the kingdom so they never really come together, the Ironborn have 20K max, which is why they can raid a lot and capture land from kingdoms at war, but have a hard time holding down their gains
@sloppypapi8886 9 күн бұрын
Doran is bringing home some Fire and Blood, for Elia! Even if his son got crispied, and Dany is lost, he's still got Young Griff coming through.
@ProMansego 5 ай бұрын
The Tyrells They don't know how to fight, they lost all the battles
@Xals-iy2lu 4 күн бұрын
I think you made 2 mistakes: -The Iron Islands have not so many people. -The worst destruction were suffered by the Riverlands
@brandocalrissian3294 Жыл бұрын
The north and dorne have the best armies regardless of numbers. Desert and ice folk are just built different.
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