Viewer-designed, Tauntek TTL IC tester!

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CuriousMarc

CuriousMarc

2 жыл бұрын

We build and test the very excellent Tauntek Logic IC Tester kit, designed by viewer Robert Grieb. We also compare it to the great MiniPro TL866.
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@EdwinSteiner
@EdwinSteiner 2 жыл бұрын
There's some irony when CuriousMarc, of all people, points out an electronic interface as "old-fashioned" :)
@TheRailroad99
@TheRailroad99 2 жыл бұрын
the device looks very retro indeed. classic "80s style" PCB with through hole components. And all those resistors! Beautiful!
@michaelhaardt5988
@michaelhaardt5988 2 жыл бұрын
The TL866 is great to use under Linux with the minipro Software, which current version offers TTL testing as well and allows to add your own test vectors in a text file to test chips not contained in its database. The large socket even allows to test peripheral chips like a 8255. It is however not dedicated to chip testing, which explains its restrictions.
@andrewkepert923
@andrewkepert923 2 жыл бұрын
2:25 Careful! This incantation may conjure up a Dave Jones
@pauldougherty8049
@pauldougherty8049 2 жыл бұрын
"...after testing we found that it's a Penta inverter" :)
@1971merlin
@1971merlin 2 жыл бұрын
Only works in Volvo marine applications.
@tenmillionvolts
@tenmillionvolts 2 жыл бұрын
@@1971merlin Specially made for capsizing them
@markragus7030
@markragus7030 2 жыл бұрын
I made one of these as my BSEE senior project in 1983! I took about 1/3 of the TTL book as the “chips tested”. I got an A+. LOL
@jabelsjabels
@jabelsjabels 2 жыл бұрын
nice! That's a great idea for a project too, since you get an actually-useful thing out of it at the end
@lwilton
@lwilton 2 жыл бұрын
I see your TI book says "Crane" on the bottom. Do you know who had it originally, or was it a surplus find? I have very vague memories with working with a Bob Crane in the early 70s, and I think he moved up north when the industry really started up there. (I wish I could remember more about him, but I'm blanking on everything but the name now.)
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 2 жыл бұрын
It is late Ron Crane’s databook. The co-founder of 3Com, and designer of one of the first (the first?) 10Mb Ethernet interface, once Ethernet got standardized after the experimental 3Mb Xerox Alto. Great things were done with that book. See Ron in this video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/js55osuI15eUm4k.html
@BDJones055
@BDJones055 2 жыл бұрын
I inherited the same TI book from a guy who worked for Ampex for decades. I also was given his mint condition Zenith Z-159 with all manuals and original brochure from when he purchased it in 1979. I still use his tube manuals and TTL books in 2021!
@russellzauner
@russellzauner 2 жыл бұрын
@@CuriousMarc I got mine from a teacher that was throwing it out. I was like is that literally a hardbound TI databook I'll take that and he's like but it's garbage but okay lol
@TzOk
@TzOk 2 жыл бұрын
Current version of TL866 (II-Plus) have the option to define own logic test vectors (but unfortunately, test vectors in its database have many errors).
@uwezimmermann5427
@uwezimmermann5427 2 жыл бұрын
The '64 and '65 chips are actually not that weird. They are well suited to implement logical "sum-of-product" terms which can be obtained from simplifications using Karnaugh-diagrams or the Quine-McClusky algorithm.
@glennbruner7504
@glennbruner7504 2 жыл бұрын
Marc, thank you for doing this video. I went ahead and purchased the board and all the parts to build my own to help with troubleshooting and repair of my old Atari systems. This is going to be a very helpful tool.
@graemedavidson499
@graemedavidson499 2 жыл бұрын
Back when I was doing a lot of board repair, I used an ABI System 8 BFL which could do functional IC testing in-circuit as well as VI curve tracing on each pin, with the option of automatically comparing results with known-good board signatures. Saved so much time!
@leonardochiruzzi7642
@leonardochiruzzi7642 2 жыл бұрын
I had not even thought about the analysis of the voltages and currents in the chips. I am trying to design a tester similar to the TL866 but now I want to add this function as well and maybe even the test of some RAM models. Nice also that vintage tester you used.
@uwezimmermann5427
@uwezimmermann5427 2 жыл бұрын
I just thought of the same thing - my concept for now would be to use an AVR-microcontroller with enough digital pins (not a master-slave construction as the one Marc had) and two 16channel analog switches. A possible platform could be an Arduino Mega, but I would probably not use the Arduino framework for my project
@leonardochiruzzi7642
@leonardochiruzzi7642 2 жыл бұрын
@@uwezimmermann5427 I think I will use PIC18F87J50 as in the TL866. The cost of the chip is cheap, only 4 €. My concept is to create a PC interface connected by USB cable. The data sent to the PC will be processed by software or vice versa. In this way I will have to enter the parameters of the chips only in the sw. Currently not all power pins are connected to the ZIF. This limits the number of chips I can test.
@uwezimmermann5427
@uwezimmermann5427 2 жыл бұрын
@@leonardochiruzzi7642 I am not a PIC-fanboy and more than just happy that Microchip even started to release new AVR chips since they have swallowed Atmel for its ARM-license. I tell my students that once they know how one microcontroller works they will be able to use almost any microcontroller, but I'll stick with my AVRs for now 😎
@GORF_EMPIRE
@GORF_EMPIRE 2 жыл бұрын
I have two books from TI with logice and the other CPU and memory. Invaluable. I paid nothing for them...I simply asked for it back as a youngster.
@danielmelendrez1616
@danielmelendrez1616 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice! This would have been an amazing project to develop back in the day in Uni
@RogerBarraud
@RogerBarraud Жыл бұрын
Samtec turned-pin sockets throughout - Yess!!! Full Marcs to you :-)
@video99couk
@video99couk 2 жыл бұрын
OOOhhh.... So we do get to see the keyboard fixed? Been waiting a long time for that!
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 2 жыл бұрын
Oh boy that keyboard was hard. It’s still waiting for some unusual chips.
@ruadeil_zabelin
@ruadeil_zabelin 2 жыл бұрын
I'm buying the tauntek soon for sure
@ionwerks
@ionwerks 2 жыл бұрын
I used to love having an EPROM programmer for use with my BBC Micro. Such a thrill to add 'instantly available' software to a device. Sadly I have no reason to own or use one these days.
@willyarma_uk
@willyarma_uk 2 жыл бұрын
Was it a Watford Electronics Adder? I've got one of those.
@bennylloyd-willner9667
@bennylloyd-willner9667 2 жыл бұрын
@8:28 another great feature with the Tauntek is that it auto unloads the ZIF in anticipation of removing an IC 😁
@_hackwell
@_hackwell 2 жыл бұрын
The XGecu TL866cs II plus offers an even more powerful IC testing capabilities. You can define your own vectors table so you can add chips into the database yourself
@aserta
@aserta 2 жыл бұрын
By my understanding, one's a dedicated tool, the other has an extra function to account for that usage. There shouldn't be a question of choice between them, but the TL866 seems to have done well enough.
@waheex
@waheex Жыл бұрын
great video. Having issues getting my Tauntek tester to connect via USB>serial. It works with an old XP laptop but not over USB
@necro_ware
@necro_ware 2 жыл бұрын
Nice overview. Just a note, I don't know which version of TL866 you are using exactly, but the TL866II+, which is the most common today and is compatible with Xgopro software in version 11. It has more ICs in the list, which can be tested and it has auto detection. So you don't need to select the model anymore. Just put the IC into the TL866II+ and press the test button.
@marcoaurelio4903
@marcoaurelio4903 2 жыл бұрын
you have a link to the software?
@vbisbest
@vbisbest 2 жыл бұрын
None of that tin plated pincer rubbish, darn right! :)
@cheapasstech
@cheapasstech 2 жыл бұрын
This would look amazing connected to a tty - and to that HP terminal
@zaprodk
@zaprodk 2 жыл бұрын
Ohh yes. Stick a Teletype on that tester ❤️
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 2 жыл бұрын
I was going to, but it uses VT100 escape codes to do the highlighting :-( . I need to ask for a special TTY and HP 2645 compatible version!
@cheapasstech
@cheapasstech 2 жыл бұрын
@@CuriousMarc no one that has a DEC VT100 ?
@marwinthedja5450
@marwinthedja5450 2 жыл бұрын
"Penta Inverter" Made me chuckle :)
@metaleggman18
@metaleggman18 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry to comment something off topic, but I'm curious if you ever hold meet ups in the bay area. I love watching your videos while doing work, and you seem like an interesting fellow to have a drink or coffee with.
@1944GPW
@1944GPW 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I wonder if in future it could also test vintage DEC Unibus/Qbus 8881's, 8641's and 380A's at their specific current ratings.
@michaelbenn4741
@michaelbenn4741 2 жыл бұрын
Nice review Marc 😁 See what you think of my tester if you get a mo'. It shows you the pin names and let's you exercise the chip manually too.
@nutsnproud6932
@nutsnproud6932 2 жыл бұрын
I found your video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ftt_e8Zzppilo2w.html
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 2 жыл бұрын
link to @Michael Benn ‘s tester video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ftt_e8Zzppilo2w.html
@michaelbenn4741
@michaelbenn4741 2 жыл бұрын
@@CuriousMarc Oops, I should have included the link myself! Thanks Marc & Nuts - odd way to put it I suppose ;-)
@TeslaTales59
@TeslaTales59 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool tester
@JavierSalcedoC
@JavierSalcedoC 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a simple guy. IC tester video, I upvote
@drewscruis
@drewscruis 2 жыл бұрын
I use a bk precision 560 for testing ttl, cmos and some ram chips. It will do some onboard testing, but it's sketchy at best, it's better as a stand alone tester.
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 2 жыл бұрын
Ooh, aah! Nice vintage unit!
@andrewlindh5047
@andrewlindh5047 2 жыл бұрын
I use the newer T56. Newer but mostly the same and has higher voltages to support old school EPROMs. It's digital and not a true chip tester like the Tauntek. There's a need for both on the bench.
@edgeeffect
@edgeeffect 2 жыл бұрын
I like the contrast between the automated testers and Ken's manual testing.
@kippie80
@kippie80 2 жыл бұрын
I'm lacking the white coat so guess I'll settle with the automated tester.
@8BitNaptime
@8BitNaptime 2 жыл бұрын
Judging by the layout it looks like a "DAC per pin" device, but can it handle those odd chips with power pins in the middle?
@tim_bbq1008
@tim_bbq1008 2 жыл бұрын
8:52 He tells the joke with such a straight face that you don't even notice it...
@XMarkxyz
@XMarkxyz 2 жыл бұрын
The Breadbord: "You uderestimate my power!" Electroboom: "Don't try it Breadbord, I have the high voltage"
@macartm
@macartm 2 жыл бұрын
I can't believe I got to this when it had 1 view :)
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 2 жыл бұрын
You deserve to win a vintage TTL circuit, guaranteed broken as proven by the Tauntek!
@macartm
@macartm 2 жыл бұрын
@@CuriousMarc I think I'll pass (or , should that be fail?)
@ihatemybosses
@ihatemybosses 2 жыл бұрын
The command screen brings me back to my beginning on an Atari 800. Learning Atari Basic and typing in programs from the newest edition of Compute magazine. I think I had more fun back then than I do now. Only chip stuff I did was whether I had a GTIA or CTIA chip in the ole clunker.
@BradRaedel
@BradRaedel 2 жыл бұрын
Wonder if anyone has modeled a 3D printed enclosure for the Tauntek? I just ordered one, so may be on my todo list if not already done. I also have been integrating inexpensive little FTDI boards in RS232 projects to provide 'native' usb. Don't have to worry about finding the adapter if you move to different PC.
@HappyLittleDiodes
@HappyLittleDiodes 2 жыл бұрын
Can I ask what reference book you have for the chip diagrams?
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 2 жыл бұрын
Later it became known as the Texas Instruments TTL databook I think. An oldie but very goodie.
@JoelCosmono
@JoelCosmono 2 жыл бұрын
thank you for the french traduction :)
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 2 жыл бұрын
Et merci pour le remerciement!
@playitlouder451
@playitlouder451 2 жыл бұрын
I did note that you aligned all the colour bands on the resistors. Just like I would. Does this mean we both need help?
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 2 жыл бұрын
It helps in aligning the electrons better, they don’t get disoriented.
@kuro68000
@kuro68000 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, this is a very interesting device. Would like to build something like this for fixing retro machines. Could you change the terminal font though? It's hard to read.
@acmefixer1
@acmefixer1 2 жыл бұрын
Older terminals used a limited screen resolution because the bitmaps for the font had limited memory, usually a 6 by 8 bit font.
@kuro68000
@kuro68000 2 жыл бұрын
@@acmefixer1 it's a Windows terminal though, they can use any font they like. It seems to have a scanline effect applied that makes it look bad on a 1080p TV.
@markevans2294
@markevans2294 2 жыл бұрын
Alternatively show it connected up to to a HP 2645A.
@uwezimmermann5427
@uwezimmermann5427 2 жыл бұрын
do you need 7425-chips? I have two desoldered ones from 1976...
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the offer, but I got some from Marcel already. Marcel has everything…
@harryharold4604
@harryharold4604 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Curious Mark. Can you confirm the pinout of the IDC10 to DB9 Female Socket?
@maicod
@maicod 2 жыл бұрын
could Bob fancify it by adding hardware so the chip-lookup database can be found through internet so he doesn't need to reprogram the PICs but could add its characteristics to the database ?
@glennbruner7504
@glennbruner7504 2 жыл бұрын
Marc, what kind of adapter did you use for the serial port connection on the IC tester board?
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 2 жыл бұрын
I jury-rigged surface mount RS-232 connector, which is kind of acrobatic and not recommended. I believe the board was made to use one of these old cables that used to go to RS232 ports from motherboards on PCs.
@glennbruner7504
@glennbruner7504 2 жыл бұрын
I ended up doing the same. I could not get my hands on the old PC cable that was intended to use with the 10 pin header connector. He should just design the board to just solder on a female DB9 connector so a USB to serial cable can just connect directly instead of a mess of cables & adapters just to finally connect. Those old PC cables are hard to locate when you live in an area with zero electronic stores. Even the thrift shops no longer have the once piles of PC junk parts.
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 2 жыл бұрын
@@glennbruner7504 Yes I suggested that too.
@phipli
@phipli 2 жыл бұрын
TL866 also tests RAM chips doesn't it? Useful little box :)
@oldguy9051
@oldguy9051 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, apart from some NVRAMs it can only test a few, but very common SRAMs - like the 6116 oder the 6164, for example. It's a really good product, still getting updates (with more chips supported) -- especially considering the price!
@user-kn3ez1yq6g
@user-kn3ez1yq6g 2 жыл бұрын
You need to update minipro software. I believe v11 is the latest with extended IC support.
@TzOk
@TzOk 2 жыл бұрын
v11 works only with a more recent TL866II Plus.
@SubTroppo
@SubTroppo 2 жыл бұрын
Is that the first appearance of Ken's white coat?
@aqib2000
@aqib2000 2 жыл бұрын
Finally!
@160rpm
@160rpm 2 жыл бұрын
Does it do 300 baud?
@tombouie
@tombouie 2 жыл бұрын
Thks but I want to ask a provocative question. Next month I'm getting an arduino & all its sensors to learn all about them. Next I think I try to get a intro FPGA & learn all about it. Here's the provocative question: ?Does inexpensive FPGAs make decades old big logic ICs a little obsolete? I ask because I'm clueless & I ask you because you probably know.
@francesconicoletti2547
@francesconicoletti2547 2 жыл бұрын
Big-endian and little-endian the conflict never ends.
@douro20
@douro20 2 жыл бұрын
Augat sockets?
@markevans2294
@markevans2294 2 жыл бұрын
I've not seen the PLCC (and TSOP?) to DIP adaptors before. Obviously useful when the same IC can come in multiple kind of packaging. Could this also identify the difference between 74LS and 74HC? Given that there are some of the latter marked as the former in circulation. As indicated in this video. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gdSWqZCC1Z21Yok.html The circuit in question works with a 74LS08 (and likely a 74HCT08) but not with a 74HC08.
@PNWZombieWatch
@PNWZombieWatch 2 жыл бұрын
I think that is my lost Texas Instrument book! :) JK Although I did used to have that same book from college.
@UsagiElectric
@UsagiElectric 2 жыл бұрын
That's actually a really impressive IC tester! Now, to build an equivalent for vacuum tubes (since I can't afford a RoeTest)...
@trevorvanbremen4718
@trevorvanbremen4718 2 жыл бұрын
I've done pretty well over the years with a SIGNIFICANTLY dumber tube tester... a.k.a. ME 1: If there's cracks in the glass or the mirror-like getter flash looks like powdered sugar, straight into the bin 2: Does the 'pilot light' (filament) turn on - if not, check filament voltage and, if present and correct, throw it out. 3: Does the big black metal thing inside (plate) look like it could fry an egg from 50 feet. If so, disconnect everything from the associated grid(s) and retest. If it's still hot, place gently in file #13 and install another. If it's NOT hotter than Mercury with the grids disconnected, replace all the leaking coupling capacitors Rinse and repeat
@AmauryJacquot
@AmauryJacquot 2 жыл бұрын
2:32 you're trying to imitate Dave of Eevblog fame ? "7424" is not recognized, but the list on Bob's site mentions the "24"
@paulorlyk7271
@paulorlyk7271 2 жыл бұрын
Hm... Could it be that your "half dead" LS04 is actually a "healthy" S04?
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 2 жыл бұрын
I thought so for a second, then realized that would be waaay too much current for an S too! So it’s really toast.
@Mmouse_
@Mmouse_ 2 жыл бұрын
There is no reason that a gui gives less info than something on the command line, it could give more... But here we are in 21, and for some reason it's still true that you get more from text. Must have something to do with the programmers (I'm not bias! I write gui predominantly)... It seems gui is consistently ok'ish, but cmdln is either completely garbage or absolute dark magic. After maybe 25 years I'm still not sure if I'm a fan of that trend or not, but there's a lot to be said about something that works and you get a "Success!" on the cmd rather than a "it worked!" and an OK button.
@harisalic2568
@harisalic2568 2 жыл бұрын
The Main purposes of the GUI and the Device is not to test Chips, rather to write to eproms. It probably cant eben thest the things that the other can. The other one is dedicated to Chip testing as is built for this.
@rpavlik1
@rpavlik1 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting! Freaked me out seeing you change chips with power on, though. Do they have tvs diodes or anything in there, or are those chips just more durable than my instincts suggest? That Tauntek tester looks like the thru-hole pic powered predecessor of the Glasgow Interface Explorer. Wonder if anyone lucky enough to have one (mine is delayed due to ic shortage) has made an applet for ic testing like this.
@carlclaunch793
@carlclaunch793 2 жыл бұрын
The Tauntek tester only applies power when you do a test, otherwise everything is electrically isolated
@pcwrangler09
@pcwrangler09 2 жыл бұрын
So does the TL866 btw
@whiskeytuesday
@whiskeytuesday 2 жыл бұрын
How do you think this compares to the "retro chip tester professional" as tested by Noel a couple of weeks ago? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lZ9pe7Gk3c2wgqs.html
@harmonicuniverse
@harmonicuniverse 2 жыл бұрын
Tauntek Logic IC tester is great for logic chips, when you want to see the specifics of how the logic chip behaves. The retrochip tester does a basic pass fail vector test like the tl866, so less info on logic test. The retrochip tester is great for testing memory ics. I use both regularly.
@BackByte
@BackByte 2 жыл бұрын
Bob Grieb's email address on his website bounces as non-existent. Any other way to contact him?
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 2 жыл бұрын
Hmm. Not really, that's the one I use to talk to him.
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe you entered a capital i instead of a lowercase l?
@jaybrooks1098
@jaybrooks1098 2 жыл бұрын
Mark.. you like suggesting stuff I gotta run through the wife
@kippie80
@kippie80 2 жыл бұрын
Taunteck is more portable with serial interface. Sold!
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