Viking Axe & Sword Fight

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Roland Warzecha

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@swordandshield
@swordandshield Жыл бұрын
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@johan.ohgren
@johan.ohgren 4 жыл бұрын
I suspect the axe is a vikings equalent to a multipurpose tool. Yeah, he might carry both a sword and an axe, doesn't mean they used both at the same time. I suspect they would carry a sword for dedicated fighting, the axe is a backup weapon and a tool and the dagger is backup for the backup. Can't have too many blades right? A dane axe is dedicated fighting axe but I don't see anyone dual wielding a dane axe and a sword. Regarding the Sagas, I don't think we should take them to seriously, they're storys and bound to have some "creative elements" in them. Similarly to todays movies, yeah you _could_ dual wield two M249 machineguns, but in actual combat it's just stupid.
@dredlord47
@dredlord47 4 жыл бұрын
I would argue that having an axe in your offhand if your shield is taken from you somehow would be better than nothing as you could still use it to parry and hook at an opponent's shield or weapon. Is it optimal? No. Is it better than nothing? Probably.
@johan.ohgren
@johan.ohgren 4 жыл бұрын
@@dredlord47 I think that works better in theory than in practice.
@nicodemoboccia5090
@nicodemoboccia5090 4 жыл бұрын
The dane axe is too big to be used for dual wielding anyway so i don't think that counts
@johan.ohgren
@johan.ohgren 4 жыл бұрын
@@nicodemoboccia5090 yes, I know. The minigun is to big wield too, my point is that the Saga's, much like todays movies is primarly a story. As such, we should not take it literally, as the storytellers probably added a lot stuff "for effect", like when Rambo shoots down an attackhelicopter with a bow.
@nicodemoboccia5090
@nicodemoboccia5090 4 жыл бұрын
@@johan.ohgren or like when lancelot crosses a bladed bridge barefoot, yes
@glowhoo9226
@glowhoo9226 2 жыл бұрын
I could see the axe being used the same way a parrying dagger is used. Hooking the opponents blade and going for a thrust or cut. Or hooking the shield and bringing it down.
@neutralfellow9736
@neutralfellow9736 4 жыл бұрын
Well, by Ahmad ibn Fadlan's time, the Rus were no longer just "Swedish", since the Primary Chronicle states the Varangians being just 1 of 11 warbands of the Rus when Oleg gathered the horde in 907, the rest being Slavic and Finno-Ugric tribes.
@luissengl8436
@luissengl8436 4 жыл бұрын
in chapter 34 of Fóstbræðra saga there is a possible instance of sword and axe fighting. King Olaf asks the hero thormod, why he is not equipped for battle as the other men. Þormóður svarar: "Það skulu búkarlar finna í dag að öx mín skal mér bæði skjöldur og brynja." Thormod replies: "It will be found today that my ax will both shield and arm me." (google translation) if anyone is good with icelandic , here is the full text: www.sagadb.org/fostbraedra_saga.is
@swordandshield
@swordandshield 4 жыл бұрын
Very cool, thanks a lot!
@Cleanpea
@Cleanpea 3 жыл бұрын
I am pretty sure he says, that the ax shall be both shield and maille,* just my two cents :)
@luissengl8436
@luissengl8436 3 жыл бұрын
@@Cleanpea that is probably right, i have no idea why google translates "brynja" as "arm". but my main point still stands. there is some saga evidence for using an axe instead of a shield (and perhaps even maille) :)
@Cleanpea
@Cleanpea 3 жыл бұрын
@@luissengl8436 Well, there we go!
@PalleRasmussen
@PalleRasmussen 4 жыл бұрын
Well, I have done a lot of fighting with two swords and was good at it, but you reach a point, where the guy with the big shield and sword just closes with you and kill you. It is a blind alley. Mads and Christoffer are very good with axe and sword, but that is not how they fight their most important fights against the most difficult opponents. See you soon I hope Roland.
@jancello
@jancello 4 жыл бұрын
How about sword and seax? Vikings going Renaissance style ;)
@0rang.utan.bananaman199
@0rang.utan.bananaman199 4 жыл бұрын
Or axe and seax.
@christophe7723
@christophe7723 4 жыл бұрын
It's interesting, with those tiny heads the axes move finally quite quickly.
@David-lu4gq
@David-lu4gq 3 жыл бұрын
These lads would quite easily chop us up lol.
@jakubfabisiak9810
@jakubfabisiak9810 4 жыл бұрын
Hey, here's something I'd love to get your input on: As Murphy (of Murphy's Law fame) said it: "Pros are predictable, but the world is full of amateurs" What i'm getting at, is that in your videos, you show advanced warriors, doing advanced things. You both start by entering a bind, because you know that if you don't, you'd be giving an advantage to your opponent. Now, what happens, when someone who knows nothing, or very little about fighting, tries to emulate this? They might start by trying to enter a bind, but for a different reason. They might expect the other person to also enter a bind, thinking that this is how a fight is "supposed to" go, but what happens when they run into someone who "didn't get the memo"? The key difference here, is that the amateur doesn't actually know what to do if the opponent doesn't behave in a way that he expects...
@jakubfabisiak9810
@jakubfabisiak9810 4 жыл бұрын
@Soul Chicken as Maximys Black said: 4gate works against Zerg, because no one does it, because it doesn't work...
@Tazdingo01
@Tazdingo01 4 жыл бұрын
@@jakubfabisiak9810 Just make lots of roaches vs 4 gate.
@jakubfabisiak9810
@jakubfabisiak9810 4 жыл бұрын
@@Tazdingo01 yeah, but the rationale here is that 4gate is not a good strategy against zerg, because zerg has the tools to easily counter it. But "having the tools" does not render the s trategy automatically ineffective, and if the zerg player just assumes no one will try to use it against him, and isn't actually prepared to defend, they might be caught off-guard. Same principle applies here - Roland enters the fight with the intention to claim the center, knowing that his opponent has to contest it, or be at a huge disadvantage. But what if, instead of Roland, we have Shmoland, who enters a fight this way but doesn't actually know why he is doing it like that? What if his opponent doesn't know he\s "supposed" to contest the center, or is enough of a pro to realise that Shmoland doesn't actually know what he is doing, and has no idea how to use the advantage if the center is not contested.
@Tazdingo01
@Tazdingo01 4 жыл бұрын
@@jakubfabisiak9810 Then it's a very short battle LOL. The pro should very quickly know the caliber of his opponent at contact, and therefore adjust his strategy/position to take full advantage of his expertise. Am I getting you correctly?
@vidard9863
@vidard9863 4 жыл бұрын
@@Tazdingo01 in a game like this, the pro SHOULD win. When you play for keeps? Sometimes the pro doesn't survive the mistake of thinking that no one would do X. Special forces members are often taken out by vastly inferior troops even today. Stupidity is a dangerous thing, not just to your own side.
@vidard9863
@vidard9863 4 жыл бұрын
I noticed that you both used the sword in your dominant hand. Did you ever experiment with the axe in the dominant hand, and what were the results/findings?
@swordandshield
@swordandshield 4 жыл бұрын
I have tried it but found it more efficient to use the longer weapon in my right. That is why with sword and spear, i use the spear in my dominant hand. This latter is also mentioned in Njål's Saga, by the way.
@vidard9863
@vidard9863 4 жыл бұрын
@@swordandshield when you say efficient, do you just mean taking advantage of the reach, or something else? (Typically I would assume that if something was more efficient, it uses less energy, so I am curious if you find the axe uses less energy than the sword in your non dominant hand?)
@timnelson4240
@timnelson4240 4 жыл бұрын
oh and the heavier the equipment and armor the faster the fatigue factor comes into play,a light fast blunt axe,war hammer or mace is just as effective,he he he!!!
@rubinbegeja
@rubinbegeja 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting
@bashkillszombies
@bashkillszombies 4 жыл бұрын
These guys look like they're trying to carve an oversized turkey - not fight.
@eddard9442
@eddard9442 4 жыл бұрын
Any idea how they carried axes on them?
@swordandshield
@swordandshield 4 жыл бұрын
A number of axe sheaths survived: www.patreon.com/posts/20697979
@adamnoman4658
@adamnoman4658 4 жыл бұрын
Come And Get It, Fido! @ 3 16 "Let slip the dogs of war" --- not just an empty metaphor!
@timidtenor
@timidtenor 4 жыл бұрын
The axe has no hand guard. Would not the axe be thrown first?
@neutralfellow9736
@neutralfellow9736 4 жыл бұрын
It could be. It can also be held near the axehead and used as a boss, for defense if a shield or buckler is unavailable. There is also the aspect of the axe being in a constant state of being able to be thrown at any second, which is significant imo.
@Wraithninja1
@Wraithninja1 4 жыл бұрын
Only if you're a dirty Frank
@torstenvki8702
@torstenvki8702 4 жыл бұрын
Es ist schade das es die Videos nicht auf deutsch gibt 😔 die sind alle wahnsinnig interessant 👍🏼
@PhilosoFox
@PhilosoFox 4 жыл бұрын
No helmets and therefore no eye protection? You guys seem to challenge the Holmgang Hamburg style step by step😅
@davidd1289
@davidd1289 4 жыл бұрын
This sparring looks dangerous. Don’t you guys worry about eyes, head, etc. v
@Bullski123
@Bullski123 Жыл бұрын
Its just light sparring training and no heavy hits involved,but still i worry more about their hands since getting hand hits with a steel blunt sword edge or a blunt axe still hurts and can cause injury by not using padded gloves.
@imwatchin7770
@imwatchin7770 4 жыл бұрын
This is all fine and dandy, two guys fighting like in a duel. Now lets see how this works with hundreds or a few thousand men fighting a battle. Those little dance moves would go out he window as you can't move and dodge when like that in a battle.
@heavybolter6396
@heavybolter6396 3 жыл бұрын
Ah we are talking here about skirmishes and duels I believe, spear wall or shield wall would have been used instead
@Cleanpea
@Cleanpea 3 жыл бұрын
Why would anyone in their right minds use duelling techniques in warfare: That's right, they would not. Peace
@pawelpippovitch2836
@pawelpippovitch2836 3 жыл бұрын
Something to consider: Maybe the dual wielding was indeed thought of as more of a "battle-field" style thant for dueling. If I remember correctly, Miyamoto Musashi, who was famous for his school of dual wieldinig katana and wakizashi, always considered this to be a style for the battlefield and still prefered the use of a single, longer katana for dueling.
@Cleanpea
@Cleanpea 3 жыл бұрын
@@pawelpippovitch2836 That is a super-interesting point of view! I would still, then, see 'dual-weilding' as the back-up to a pole- or missile weapon. The fact that shields weren't really a thing in Japan, could explain why he would have that opinion. I am definitely not an expert or scholar on this subject, so don't quote me on that :)
@timnelson4240
@timnelson4240 4 жыл бұрын
guess why vikings favored an axe,maybe cause they where master ship rights,maybe.plus you dont really need a shield that axe is a head splitter pure and simple and a lot of those blunts shattered armor as well.if you do use a shield that is the ram to swing down on a head a battering ram with a surprise.swords are good to but mainly and it may surprise some but ancient war bats with spikes where just as effective.thats my 2 cents,peace brother.
@madao7865
@madao7865 4 жыл бұрын
1:37 Slightly waisted? More like completely wasted. Sorry.
@mr31337
@mr31337 4 жыл бұрын
Fat lad fought well.
@christophe7723
@christophe7723 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing fatshaming comment... A lot of not that fit people fight well. A bit of respect would be great
@mr31337
@mr31337 4 жыл бұрын
Dear sjw's 'fought well' is respect
@timnelson4240
@timnelson4240 4 жыл бұрын
hey forget the sword axe stuff,ship rights on the move especially marauder types carry the tools of the trade and a weapon.the axe,tomahawk or short blade bowie may be for just skinning and choppin kindling while your sword is the butcher blade for un wanted guests,or worse yet I carry a gun and a long blade screw driver cause i'm a field mechanic,good grief.
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