Vincent van Gogh and his perspective frame - Origins of Modern Art 6
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Күн бұрынOn Vincent van Gogh’s persistent struggle with perspective.
The techniques of depth illusion in early Roman murals.
Linear or mathematical perspective: Filippo Brunelleschi, Leon Battista Alberti, Leonardo Da Vinci, Albrecht Dürer.
More on the perspective rules, (repoussoir etc.), see my video “The illusion of depth” on the depiction of depth on a two-dimensional plane: • Video
My Playlist on Art: • My part in art
Commented images:
00:47 - Van Gogh 1881 - Marsh with Water Lilies - drawing. Virginia Museum of Fine Arts Richmond, Virginia, USA
01:43 - Anthon van Rappard 1881 - Passievaart near Seppe - drawing. Van Gogh Museum, Amsterdam
02:13 - Van Gogh 1885 - Study for the Potato Eaters. Kröller-Müller Museum, Otterlo, The Netherlands
02:26 - Van Gogh 1887 - Self-portrait - drawing. Van Gogh Museum, Amsterdam
03:48 - Auguste Allongé 1879 - Study of Willows - print. In Karl Robert: Le fusain sans maitre
04:16 - Van Gogh 1882 - Pollard Willow - watercolor. Van Gogh Museum, Amsterdam
05:16 - Van Gogh 1881 - Road in Etten with Pollard Willows and Man with Broom - drawing. Metropolitan Museum, New York
07:46 - Van Gogh 1882 - Bleaching Ground at Scheveningen - watercolor. Getty Center, Los Angeles
10: 07 - Van Gogh 1881 - Winter Landscape with Hut and Figure - drawing. Van Gogh Museum, Amsterdam
10:33 - Van Gogh c1883 - Flower Beds in Holland / Bulb Fields. National Gallery of Art, Collection Mr. and Mrs. Paul Mellon, Washington D.C., US
10:59 - Leon Battista Alberti 1432-38 - Self-Portrait in Bronze. Bibliothèque Nationale de France, and National Gallery of Art, Washington, US
12:08 - Landscape from the Odyssey 60-40 BC - Odysseus Arrives in Laestrygonia, from the Odyssey Frieze - wall painting. Vatican Museums. Rome, Italy
12:38 - Landscape from the Odyssey 60-40 BC - Attack of the Laestrygonians - wall painting. Vatican Museums, Rome.
15:31 - Leonardo Da Vinci 1478-1519 - The Perspectograph in use - drawing. In Leonardo: Codex Atlanticus
16:44 - Albrecht Dürer 1525 - An artist drawing a seated man - woodcut. In Dürer: The Painters Manual
17:37 - Albrecht Dürer 1498 - Self-Portrait at the age of 26. Museo del Prado, Madrid
18:00 - Lorenzo Lotto c1535 - Portrait of a Gentleman. Galleria Borghese, Rome
18:30 - Fra Filippo Lippi 1440-44 - Portrait of a Woman with a Man at a Casement. Metropolitan Museum, New York
19:34 - David Allan 1775 - Origin of Painting. National Galleries Scotland
19:51 - Albrecht Dürer 1525 - Draftsman Drawing a Reclining Man - preliminary sketch. Bayerische Staatsbiliothek, Munich, Germany
20:57 - Albrecht Dürer 1525 - Draftsman Drawing a Reclining Woman - woodcut. Graphische Sammlung Albertina, Vienna, Austria
22:04 - Van Gogh 5 August 1882 - Beach at Scheveningen with perspective frame - letter sketch
23:15 - Van Gogh 5 or 6 August 1882 - Perspective frame - letter sketch
25:07 - Armand Cassagne 1880 - Figure 1, A large gate, a natural frame - print. In Cassagne: Guide de l’Alphabet du Dessin (2e éd.)
26:05 - Van Gogh 1885 - The Vicarage at Nuenen. Vincent van Gogh Museum, Amsterdam
27:12 - Van Gogh 1882 - Flower Nursery on the Schenkweg in The Hague - drawing. Rijksmuseum, Amsterdam
28:25 - Van Gogh July 1882 - Rooftops, View from the Atelier The Hague - watercolor. Private collection.
29:15 - Van Gogh 1887 - View of Paris from Vincent's Room in the Rue Lepic. Private collection
Van Gogh 1887 - View from Theo’s apartment in the Rue Lepic. Van Gogh Museum, Amsterdam
30:41 - Van Gogh 1886 - View from Vincent's Studio. Van Gogh Museum, Amsterdam
31:07 - Van Gogh 1887 - View from the Apartment in the Rue Lepic - drawing. Van Gogh Museum, Amsterdam
32:14 - Van Gogh 1887 - Montmartre, Mills and Allotments, Paris. Van Gogh Museum, Amsterdam
32:51 - Van Gogh 1888 - The Langlois Bridge at Arles. Wallraf-Richartz-Museum, Cologne, Germany
35:20 - Van Gogh 1888 - The Langlois Bridge at Arles with Road Alongside the Canal. Van Gogh Museum, Amsterdam, Netherlands
36:33 - Van Gogh 1884 - Weaver at the loom (from front). Kröller-Müller Museum, Otterlo, The Netherlands
37:25 - Van Gogh 1884 - A Weaver's Cottage. Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen, Rotterdam, The Netherlands
37:59 - Van Gogh 1888 - Langlois Bridge at Arles with Women Washing. Kröller-Müller-Museum, Otterlo, The Netherlands
38:15 - Claude Monet 1874 - The Bridge, Amsterdam. Shelburne Museum, Vermont VT, USA
39:11 - Paul Cézanne c1880 - Cote du Galet, at Pontoise. Private Collection
40:49 - Van Gogh 1890 - Wheatfield with Crows. Van Gogh Museum, Amsterdam
@Dragon43ish 6 жыл бұрын
....with in You Tube there is piles of junk and garbage, every once in a while there is a Gem. This is a Gem. Thank You.
@stuartayre7618 7 жыл бұрын
This is a superb documentary. You've dug deep and presented the information in an accessible way.
@eggandchipsman7373 5 жыл бұрын
Spent my life studying Vincent and this is new to me! BRAVO!!!
@mikemorris9835 3 жыл бұрын
That was incredibly informative! Thanks! Don't listen to the negative feedback, the narration was fine! I learned so much!
@betapicts 3 жыл бұрын
nice to say!
@ilpezkato 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent!! A lot of comments so picky about the "narration ability" and "hilarious" narration... English is not my mother tongue but I have to make an effort because it is the lingua franca of current times, so, I'm grateful at least to understand this precious information, you should be grateful too... Betapicts did a great job...maybe the experts in "narration" can do it better.
@artesvives3723 7 жыл бұрын
wow one of the best videos i've seen...thank you very much!
@MiaFeigelsonGallery 7 жыл бұрын
Highly informative, truly interesting !!! Thanks for this Art Documentary and for adding the titles of the artworks as well as the artists' names and when they appear on the Video. A thousand times, thank you !!!!
@betapicts 7 жыл бұрын
nice to say!
@patriciaotis1113 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so very much for posting this video. Very enlightening!
@betapicts 7 жыл бұрын
so kind to say
@dksculpture 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this video. I gained insight into Van Gogh's mind, development and working methods.
@betapicts 7 жыл бұрын
stay tuned, I'm working on another one.
@dksculpture 7 жыл бұрын
I look forward to it!
@rogerscottcathey 4 жыл бұрын
What a lovely overview of Vincent's methodology.
@slimnics 7 жыл бұрын
awesome...very insightful thanks
@betapicts 7 жыл бұрын
my pleasure
@christinecarlson4071 5 жыл бұрын
Fascinating! Thank you for sharing this with us.
@peppeppuccio2214 3 жыл бұрын
This channel is amazing..so many information! Internet can be an amazing place in the right hands! Thanks so much!
@skeshavarz60 8 ай бұрын
One of the best documentaries about Van Gogh! Thank you!
@elsagrace3893 7 жыл бұрын
Me too, really enjoyed this 👍🏼
@homhomtube 8 жыл бұрын
Great video, really instructive, thanks a lot!
@warriorson7979 2 жыл бұрын
Informative....not instructive.
@afafyounaki6850 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the great informations
@glengrieve544 Жыл бұрын
Love Vincent Van Gogh thanks for the video 😂😢😢
@kevinklien90 Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed every second of this video. Thank you!
@user-lw1dz2nl6m 9 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@pedrojulioajinhernandez3116 2 жыл бұрын
Excelente documental sobre perspectiva y sobre la visión de mi artista favorito
@mr.ramjangles5165 3 жыл бұрын
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@theripper7675 7 жыл бұрын
great video
@michaelrg3836 4 жыл бұрын
Bravo! A most interesting and lovingly crafted video on Vincent and his methods.
@betapicts 4 жыл бұрын
gracias!
@RorianTube 9 жыл бұрын
very good !!! well done congrats !
@betapicts 9 жыл бұрын
Rorian Guimaraes thank you
@stevecook8810 5 жыл бұрын
Love his use of color. I have made a perspective frame for several landscape drawings and it works great for creating an accurate drawing. Very easy to make with small bits of wood and string.
@betapicts 5 жыл бұрын
but remember, at te end of his life Vincent stopped using his "little window"
@stevecook8810 5 жыл бұрын
yes I heard that. The frame stills works to create an accurate drawing. I doubt any of us will become Van Gogh
@dayers8715 5 жыл бұрын
Steve Cook I will
@stevecook8810 5 жыл бұрын
@@dayers8715 I hope you do young lady. The world needs another great one.
@salvatorepellino9525 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing
@LuisTorres-mx8fg 4 жыл бұрын
loved
@John-mz8rj 3 жыл бұрын
The frame enables me to draw like lightning.
@xeetu.7065 7 жыл бұрын
спасибо за интересную информацию!
@betapicts 6 жыл бұрын
пожалуйста
@sabrinanascimento5248 3 жыл бұрын
He is my Inspiration. I use Acrylic paint. I am good at trees and mountains. I use to use Watercolor but move to Acrylic.
@apoytambunan2539 5 жыл бұрын
Perfection artist 😍
@rener689 9 жыл бұрын
I love the video and explanation! But I don´t totally agree on the perspective comment for persons like in 07:12. Please be aware that humans don´t have a standard hight. the variety of hight can differ from 1,50 m. to 2.00 m. The range can have a discrepancy of 25 %.
@betapicts 9 жыл бұрын
Rene R indeed, in the picture the man in the center is about 2 m high.
@Unfunny_Username_389 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Really bloody good.
@TsetsiStoyanova 4 жыл бұрын
He was a painting scientist
@aurelianstefanescu6408 3 жыл бұрын
interesant.
@piggiefriends8004 3 жыл бұрын
does anyone know where to buy one but with glass
@normanstratford9329 4 жыл бұрын
Perspective is only rules, but the rules can change if you take into account that extreme horizontal lines can in reality bend away. The camera is now taken to be the single viewpoint. The photography image was just in the infancy and I was wondering if Van Gogh had seen any images.?
@betapicts 4 жыл бұрын
of course he had seen many photographs, if that's what you mean
@vidajavid7851 2 жыл бұрын
People are really funny, when he was alive, no body bought any of his paintings, now after couple of centuries he is the most popular painter. Too little too late
@AirOhSoul Жыл бұрын
Vincent actually experienced quite a bit of success before his passing.
@phunkface 5 жыл бұрын
What does the quote at the end of the video mean?
@betapicts 5 жыл бұрын
that, at the time, he's not happy, to say the least.
@ScoriacTears 5 жыл бұрын
27:33 Natural cadre! so a kind of frame within the composition?
@betapicts 5 жыл бұрын
natural cadre - a frame that is part of the landscape: 25:07
@ScoriacTears 5 жыл бұрын
@@betapicts thought so, cheers.
@justinthyme3396 4 жыл бұрын
Good to hear his name pronounced correctly VAN GOCK...From Australia thanks..
@renelevaillant6601 3 жыл бұрын
Pronunciation is Fan Hoch. H sound.
@joansmit5782 3 жыл бұрын
@@renelevaillant6601 as a speaker of the Dutch language, you FIRST need to master the gutteral “g” sound...which is much like clearing your throat. The “Gogh” portion of his name is pronounced completely to the rear of the mouth and at the base of the tongue. there is NO “h” sound in his name.. And, the “gh” at the end sounds the same as the beginning gutteral “g.” The short “a” sound in “van” is NOT like the sound in the English word “fan,” it is a much shorter sound that resembles the sound in the filler word “ah.” Phonetically, you would be more correct to write it as “fahn.”
@joansmit5782 3 жыл бұрын
Justin, the narrator in this piece is a native Dutch speaker, to hear his accent. However, he has adapted to/adopted the generalized pronunciation of van Gogh’s name...however that is not a “correct” pronunciation. The real pronunciation is difficult for those with no experience of the Dutch language.
@justinthyme3396 3 жыл бұрын
@@joansmit5782 thanks for the better understanding of the correct pronunciation, having said that I just love Van Coghs work. Hi from Australia.
@joansmit5782 3 жыл бұрын
@@justinthyme3396 here is an excellent vid from a well-known KZfaq personality who does a lot of both language and culture vids. After the intro, there is a video about Vincent Van Gogh narrated in Dutch. You can clearly hear how the name is correctly pronounced. Groeten uit Bonaire, DC. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q6uadq6HsarXkZs.html
@ganimated8862 6 жыл бұрын
The most interesting idea that Vincent would of had, is what would of he done if he were given a sx-70 Polaroid camera ? The color rendition and their tones would certainly provide good experiments to him , Manet, and Monet , maybe even perhaps Picasso himself .....
@betapicts 6 жыл бұрын
don't get it, experiments for what?
@ganimated8862 6 жыл бұрын
betapicts experimentation in color renditions to the landscapes and subject matter to which he could reference as a color chart for paintings along with the fact of their soft Focused images
@betapicts 6 жыл бұрын
Okay! Vincent had his own solution for color experiments. He used a lacquer box with yarn balls instead of a camera, not bad hu? knittingbeforeknittingwascool.wordpress.com/2016/05/13/van-goghs-yarn-balls/ and more: www.vangoghmuseum.nl/en/stories/looking-for-contrast
@lakshmanankomathmanalath 3 жыл бұрын
💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙👍
@dcouzin 2 жыл бұрын
At 20:54, the narrator says "notice ... the device to keep head and eye fixed." This is quite false. Head and eye can move all around behind the "device", while the artist is only constrained to draw on the paper what a line from his eye to the "device" reaches in the subject. Later the narrator completely misunderstands the incompleteness of Van Gogh's version of the perspective frame. Since there is no "device", no projection reference point at all, by moving his head and eye the artist can see ANY point in the subject at ANY point in the frame. At 24:20 the narrator leaps from the eye height being more or less fixed by the artist's height, to the eye being fixed. No, not laterally, nor in distance from the frame. It was that mad freedom that led Van Gogh to non-perspectival pictures which may have corresponded to deliberate motions of his head in conjunction with the fixed perspective frame.
@betapicts 2 жыл бұрын
of course the method is quite crude, to keep your head "fixed" during drawing is rather impossible, but the observed position of the grid in relation to the model behind it gives the draftsman the possibility to check whether head and eyes remain relatively stable.
@dcouzin 2 жыл бұрын
@@betapicts You can't speak of "the method" being "quite crude" when the method illustrated by Dürer isn't at all crude and is fundamentally different from the non-method you've described Van Gogh to use. Dürer includes a "device" to indicate a projection point in space; Van Gogh apparently omitted this. Projection, and linear perspective, require such a point. In the Dürer sketch (illustrated for almost a whole minute in the video) the artist's eye is not that point; rather the indicating device is. In fact Dürer's artist, being far behind that point, must move his head a great deal up and down and from side to side in order to see where the figure plants in the grid. The "device" directs the artist's head positioning all around, rather than fixing it. As for Van Gogh's non-method, appeals to crudity won't save your non-account. Take a Van Gogh grid device into the field and discover what it does and doesn't constrain. It fairly invites deviation. Your whole video promotes the fantasy that Van Gogh hankered after Renaissance perspective until his great undoing in 1890 with his Wheatfield with Crows. This ignores the the multiple horizons in his Night Cafe from 1888, and the famous curved straight lines in his paintings of his bedroom in 1888. Frame or no, perspective deviance must appear throughout his works. The blue coated man in the "Road in Etten" drawing from 1881 shows Van Gogh not to be a slow student to learn perspective, but rather an artist struggling to pack extra meanings into space.
@betapicts 2 жыл бұрын
@@dcouzin Dürer's method seems basically the same as Van Gogh's, except D uses the "eye pole" whose point must continuously coincide with a point in the scene while drawing, VG uses the center of his frame for this. By the way, in the beginning of his career as a painter VG studied many books explaining perspective. To his brother he wrote (1881): “Your remarks about the Dutch artists, that it’s doubtful whether they’d be able to give clear advice on the difficulties of perspective &c. with which I’m wrestling…” and “Be sure and keep an eye out, though, for all manner of prints or books about proportion, and find out as much as you can about them, that’s of inestimable value, without it one can’t make a figure drawing quickly.” and in 1882 “I’m working again on the drawings for C.M. But will he like them? Perhaps not. I can’t see such drawings as anything other than studies of perspective - and so I’m doing them mainly to practise.” and “While I spent less on paint this winter than others did, I had more expenses in connection with the study of perspective and proportion for an instrument described in a work by Albrecht Dürer and used by the Dutchmen of old. It makes it possible to compare the proportions of objects close at hand with those on a plane further away, in cases where construction according to the rules of perspective isn’t feasible. Which, if you do it by eye, will always come out wrong, unless you’re very experienced and skilled.” and “To tell you the truth, it surprises me a little. I thought that the first things would look like nothing at all, although they would improve later, I thought, though I say so myself, that they do look like something, and that rather amazes me. I believe that this is because, before I began painting, I spent so long drawing and studying perspective so that I could put together a thing I saw.” and in 1883 “If only there had been someone then who had told me what perspective was, how much misery I would have been spared, how much further along I would be now.”
@dcouzin 2 жыл бұрын
@@betapicts What "seems basically the same" to you, and perhaps to Van Gogh, is not the same. In Dürer's "Draftsman Drawing a Reclining Woman" what you call the "eye pole" is very near the eye and practically fixes the eye, while in Dürer's "Draftsman Drawing a Reclining Man" what you call the "eye pole" is quite far from the eye so that the artist's head and eye aren't fixed at all -- my original comment. Understand that in both Dürer examples, the perspective machine consists of the fixed grid and the fixed pole. Every accessible point in the subject is projected into a point in the grid via the pole point. The artist is the worker, busy reading off the perspective machine. Scene + picture plane + projection point are necessary and sufficient for perspective -- the artist's eye is not properly part of the Dürer machine. To say that Van Gogh "uses the center of his frame" for what Dürer used his pole is to collapse Dürer's two part machine into one part, for Dürer's grid already had a center. (Incidentally your quibble about Dürer's artist's paper showing fewer squares than his grid is answered by noting that the model occupies just the lower half of the grid.) Even if Van Gogh established a certain point in the scene to map into the center of his perspective frame, and always positioned his eye so as to maintain this, the distance from eye to frame is completely undetermined. Freely varying that distance the artist can wildly vary where other points in the scene map into the perspective frame, converting straight lines to curves, etc. The more evidence -- Van Gogh's letters and his Road in Etten from the early 1880s -- you provide of Van Gogh's struggle with perspective the more obvious it should be that he would be incompletely constrained by his perspective frame sans projection point. The School of the Art Institute of Chicago offered a course called "Projective Geometry" in the 1980s. It was a liberating exercise for artists, but it should be required study for art historians.
@betapicts 2 жыл бұрын
@@dcouzin it's obvious you don't understand at all the use of a perspective frame. e.g Dürer's grid had no center. I give up....
@johnlawrence2757 3 жыл бұрын
The portrait on the left in the intro: it’s quite hard to believe this is a picture of a man under 40 years old don’t you think ?
@betapicts 3 жыл бұрын
I agree (Vincent was about 34 when he painted this unusual self-portrait), but he was in a bad physical condition when he came to his brother in Paris. And that 19th cent. beard of his is also not helpful in making somebody look young. In the third place, he used in this portrait a new technique: www.vangoghmuseum.nl/en/collection/s0158V1962
@johnlawrence2757 3 жыл бұрын
betapicts yes. It’s true. Most of his self-portraits are pretty grim, and he looks like a junkie in many of them. But the Gauguin portrait of him painting a sunflower, in the VGM has him rather obese and flabby!!!
@betapicts 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnlawrence2757 In my view it shows that Gauguin had a low opinion of Vincent as an artist (that changed drastically after V’s death btw). But I love Toulouse-Lautrec’s drawing of Vincent (1887) depicting a complete different figure: keen looking, alert (although middle-aged): www.vangoghmuseum.nl/en/collection/d0693V1962
@johnlawrence2757 3 жыл бұрын
betapicts I suspect Gauguin’s low opinion related to V as a person rather than as a painter!!! Though sometimes it’s hard to see where he is going with a particular painting. Toulouse-Lautrec was a superb portraitist - breathtaking! This is certainly a fine example, even if the subject is a bit blurred . But again the age of the subject seems inconsistent with what we know.
@betapicts 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnlawrence2757 When he was in Arles, Paul Gauguin fervently tried to change Vincent’s painting style. And at that time he wrote to Émile Bernard: “Vincent and I have very little agreement in general, especially in painting.” So it seems to me that Gauguin was not that fond of Vincent’s art.
@viktoriyarts 3 жыл бұрын
16:38 Albrecht DU-reerh
@betapicts 3 жыл бұрын
the correct German ü pronunciation is somewhat like the u in cute, so in principal the Anglicisation of the name of a German is not a good idea. by the way, how do you call yourself, c- dvadeset i edno or c-twenty one? 😊
@MichelleRichee 4 жыл бұрын
So excited to come across something I have not seen previously -- but, brother your narration ability needs prayer. This video could have really been awesome. Thanks for your effort.
@betapicts 4 жыл бұрын
hi sister, is it just something as irrelevant as the pronunciation you don't like?
@joansmit5782 3 жыл бұрын
So excited to come across something I have not seen previously, but, brother, your narration is LOVELY, vooral voor iemand wie zijn moedertaal is niet engels. There, Michelle, I fixed your comment for you. Your attitude needs prayer. Next video, let’s listen to you speak Dutch.
@MrDonaldmaddog 5 жыл бұрын
The images are very good, but the narration is HILARIOUS!
@betapicts 5 жыл бұрын
can u give 1 example?
@outsidethepyramid 4 жыл бұрын
@@betapicts 4:32 He says, "Melancholy". It's really difficult to understand this narrator at times.
@betapicts 4 жыл бұрын
subtitles my friend
@joansmit5782 3 жыл бұрын
Would LOVE to hear YOUR version in Dutch...just sayin.’ Pretty sure his spoken English is head and shoulders over your Dutch.
@outsidethepyramid 4 жыл бұрын
4:32 He says, "Melancholy". It's really difficult to understand this narrator at times.
@waltermessines5181 4 жыл бұрын
The Dutch call it "charcoal English"; the version of English of Dutchies who've never lived abroad. At least he pronounces van Gogh properly.
@betapicts 4 жыл бұрын
what about subtitles (CC)? :-)
@viktoriyarts 3 жыл бұрын
if you speed it up, can't understand a word..
@michael4250 Жыл бұрын
TERRIBLE reproduction...does disservice to the art and the artist by giving a false impression of the works...
@mrrolight Жыл бұрын
I think you missed the point... this isn't a picture book, it's a thoroughly researched and highly illuminating treatise on the historic use of visual aids by artists and particularly by Van Gogh as he sought to attain a sense of perspective in his earlier works. If you are interested in the actual paintings and how they really look, I suggest you go to the museums that house them.
@betapicts Жыл бұрын
michael4250 - perhaps some explanation seems necessary, don't you think?
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