Tell that to the comment about how we should be pissed off at the brothers and not vulva, I mean volvo

its how business works. if they sold themselves out, then they're the ones to blame. they only thought of the money in reality

their bread well buttered. i would start up again under a different name

@@briangriffith3985 I bet they have a non competitive market contract in place for some years. Volvo wont let them make another engine for sure for some time, at least that's what I would do in their position.

​@Brian Griffith lol which is why you're obviously not a business owner. Cluless.

Hmmm... might make Greta break out in a sweat, though!

@@davidstewart4570 HOW DARE YOU...make me moist with the spray of 4 beautiful 600hp supercharged bad ass boat motors 😍

actually pretty fuel efficient for what they are.. look it up. not covered in this video. "With outboards of this size, fuel economy is probably moot, but decent figures are achievable. At 30 knots each engine was burning 16 gallons an hour, rising to 58 gallons per hour at 40 knots. The Everglades test boat carries 400 gallons of fuel and the tank was three-quarters full on demo day." either way.. boating is expensive. b.o.a.t. = bust out another thousand

If I understand it correctly, the 627's retailed for $100,000 each. Anyone who ponies up four of these at $400,000 will have no problem paying the fuel bill. As pointed out in another comment, they were actually fuel efficient for their power level.

@@RM-cm8hz Wow, so if you drive 40 nautical miles at 40 knots, that 4-whisk setup will swallow 232 gallons of fuel. Here in the UK, at pontoon prices, gas comes in around £7.50 ($9.30)/gallon. So, your 40-mile trip costs $2,157.60 in fuel alone!! That's taking serious weight out of the fattest wallet.

It’s crazy that mercury now has v10 and v12 engines but they are cruiser engines not race engines. They make 500 and 600 hp. It’s been 6 years since these engines were made. Wonder long long it will take a 600hp racing outboard from mercury. We have the 450r and 360 apex as of now.

What’s a transom ? Is that where the engines are placed?

​@@AhmedHuss7 Yes

They have separate drives. Not shared!

@@shawnsatterlee6035 I'm afraid you have mistaken _Transom_ with *Transmission* freind. They are QUITE DIFFERENT. No disrespect.....

Zf doesn’t make the transfer case tho. Gotta have that from 7m. It was shelved on purpose. They killed it. The new mercury has a new and unique transmission maybe someone could make an adapter

One more reason not to deal with Volvo

Euro trash commie Volvo petitioned the US government for years to make Paccar (Kenworth/Peterbilt) and Daimler (Freightliner/Western Star) stop making glider trucks (new truck no motor or transmission) because it wasn't fair they said.😢 By the way Mack was wholly owned by Renault in 1990 and Volvo bought them in 2000.

Well if they where so great, why is nobody outside of Hicksville buying them? Misconception on why brands of cars, trucks or other machinery disappears over the years. Most of the time it is that someone else is making a better product and yours go to the grave.

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Volvo is several companies, but I imagine all of them will keep what's worth something and ditch the rest, as when Volvo cars told Ford exactly what to do with their subpar products when they owned them.

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I have seen this happen so many times. Small independent company starts taking part of the market. Big company buys the owners out while promising them continued employment. Then after a discrete pause, original owners are fired along with the staff. Big company wins because they have eliminated a competitor and acquired a lot of innovative ideas.

OP is wrong

There is nothing wrong with selling a company. It happens all the time. That doesn't make it the fault of the founders that Volvo shut it down.

Why? You set up a successful company and are ready to get out, why not sell? It was a Volvo who decided to cut the product line.

Seems like a silly statement from you. With respect GM , FORD & CHRYSLER all produce V8's . None have them have thrown out the baby with the bath water or thrown a pity party .

That's funny, especially since mercury has come out with one

Reliability is the name of the game and 7 Marine wasn’t and Mercury is yet to be seen with there Mexican made engines.

@@lanceaylsworth1363 Gee Donald Trump will have a thing or 2 2 say about that .. Mr Mercury bring the Factory back 2 the USA 🇺🇸 or l will put a massive tax on U .. Why would Mercury do that made in Mexico 🇲🇽 BS.

@@Robert-mn8gc Because US workers cost much more per hour and wages are the biggest factor in the price of products.

You're overlooking one thing about cooling with those. Intake water temp. In an automotive application, the coolant going back into the engine from the radiator is still hot, just not as hot as what comes out of the engine. In a marine application, the intake water is cold. So as long as you have a sufficiently sized heat exchanger, you won't have heat issues ever. Water to air is massively less efficient than water to water. As for the difference in lifetime load, that all comes down to oil cooling. As long as you keep the oil cool enough to not lose film strength, you can run an engine at full throttle, max RPM all day long without a problem. There's nothing fundamentally different between an automotive engine and a marine/aviation engine. That is especially obvious with diesels that have on road and off road uses. Usually the marine variants are considerably more powerful than the on road variants, despite having no internal differences other than the cam profile. You also do see automotive engines used as inboard marine engines pretty commonly. I've seen all kinds of Chevy small blocks, big blocks, LS's, and straight 6s in boats before, as well as numerous CAT and Cummins engines which can also be had in trucks.

Pretty funny being many ppl have LS swapped planes. Because GM!

@@Choochinc Actually both are correct. I watch drag racing. So high HP yet time to cool everything down. Boats have water always going thru everything to cool it down and if no oil cooler well that is the issue. If always at 110% or more something is going to break it is just a matter of what will and where it broke. I saw a $100k 4500HP motor break cause he used unknown rods cause his normal ones were out of stock. Made all 8 rods into dust. Same guy used a new company for the crankshaft bolts and well one sheered off and thus didn't break a rod yet tore off the rod cap. It fixed now and he will be doing drag and drive starting Monday with that same motor.

We got a steve morris/cleetus fan in the house

Yup, maximum constant power for marine uses, max peak power for cars.

I work at a marine dealer. Im 6 feet tall and when i stand next to it im small. They are massive. But sound amazing. 110000 each i think

those are FAR superior to this automotive garbage. they are ground-up marine motors and lighter.

@@ct1762 Yes the Merc 600 is what killed 7 marine

except for the 600 hp V-12 Mercury Marine

They were terrible.

Good

They were awful. Broke down alll the time, heavy, bulky, loud, expensive and you had no service network. Maintainence costs on them were astronomical too.

Beautiful engineering. The sound is perfect for water application.

merc does not use this gearcase

What goes around comes around. He'll have his day of judgment.

@@williamrgrant Thanks. That’s the hope. At 75 I’ve seen that happen a few times already. GE rise to stardom on the back of a perverted use of Dr Demming’s 6 sigma statistical method was a sham. His house of cards collapsed, the media darling wasn’t seen again on msnbc or cnn-business channel. He’s lucky he didn’t do jail time. Would have been a great stock to short. Lots of insiders and former execs knew he was a fake, published books on his trickery and got no press. They were confusing the issue with facts. Facts are out of fashion with 30% of the population now. I’m a retired engineer that worked primarily in analytics. That fact scares me. My mother and father told me that I would never see anything like The Great Depression that they lived through as young adults. “Dear Mom and Dad: I hope you don’t have to watch from above what is about to happen. “. Thanks again for listening to my morning RANT.

@@ct1762 Understood. I am an engineer. My son is an engineer and an amateur race car enthusiast. He got to the point that he needed a dry sump oiling system on an LS motor he put in a BMW 3 series because of oil starvation issues. Second occurrence. First was a Subaru WRX with his DIY mods to make it into the X version using a HVAC controller that he did the embedded software for as part of his job at a supplier to Chrysler. It was at an ice race in Minnesota. With studded snow tires he was pulling more lateral g’s than on pavement with soft street tires. Who knew. For the LS motor he bought a used NASCAR dry sump system for $3000. I think the 667 team made a financial decision not an engineering decision. I didn’t mean to down play the importance of what Mercury Marine accomplished. It is a well engineered system. The R series motors are phenomenal. I can’t believe that Yamaha or Honda or Suzuki are not forming an alliance to try and upstage Merc. It’s not a matter of sales, it’s a matter of engineering excellence. Japanese post war arrogance (I had to put up with it as a US supplier to Japanese car manufacturers, they like to beat up on the supplier engineers) versus mid-western America (Wisconsin) “We can do this!” Japan beat the shit out of us because of bad management at the Big 3, like Roger Smith and Henry Ford Ii (The Deuce) didn’t take the Japanese commitment to quality seriously. Roger Smith called it a “passing fancy”, like “fins” Roger? He got a bonus every year that GM was slowly going down the toilet.

@@yelyab1 These are NOT good men. They are POS traitors who sold out their country, their neighbors and even their own souls for what? Money, notoriety? They had plenty of both, so why did they do it? The only answer is because they are psychopaths. These are not good men.

I really don't understand why wakeboarding boats don't run diesels. The low end 1000lbs of torque and 450hp+ of diesels these days that can easibly and reliably be tuned to 700hp+ would get far better fuel consumption making twice the power as the current gasoline engines.

@@calephillips-pu4kq weight lol

yes and weigh 3x as much.

@@ct1762 there's a 250lb difference in a 5.9 Cummins and the 8.1 gas burner. Try again....

@@calephillips-pu4kqalmost all wakeboard boats in europe are 6 cilinder diesels. Mostly because petrol is unaffordable.

Boat vid " Miami Vice: Russ Ballard - Voices [1080p HD Stereo Remaster] " on the channel " Brightraven "

welcome to boating LOL. Get a diesel boat if you want efficiency, but it will be 2x as heavy, and be inboard only.

If you can afford $100k per engine, you also give zero f^*ks about the fuel bill

@@themotorfreak1 The Oxe brand makes outboard diesels but they are extremely rare and expensive. They are heavier than their Otto counterparts but not twice as heavy.

On the water time is money and if you researched it they were more fuel efficient than .. that's why most cars are built with forced induction now.. it's s a said truth... the big fish ate the small fish to protect its future, just like Beats Apple buying Beats and that pharmaceutical company that makes epi pens bought up its competition and closed them..

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You are right. On top of that, network of service places must something to do with that as well as many people around pointed out

​@@VisioRacerPlease do a video on Mercury Marine's 600hp, supercharged V12 "VERADO" out board motor. Thanks.

@@magnatarbeing8749 Mercury's V12 600HP VERADO is not supercharged.

@@magnatarbeing8749 The V12 is a NA 7.6L. No boosting. The only boosted engines Mercury produce are under the Racing banner now that the V10 has been launched. The QC4V (9.0L TT V8) and the 500R outboard (4.6L Supercharged V8).

What you said 💯

Yes, but I'm sure just like when the Verado was introduced, there will be a very limited number if mechanics who can work on and service this engine.

Yes, sure

@@VisioRacer Well written, as always.

Pretty common knowledge in the boat world. Been out since 2011.

@@longsleevethong1457 the R-4360 is pretty common knowledge in the aviation world, been out since 1945, but the average person knows little about it and it's worth watching a video on it, the same as this engine.

@@Hydrogenblonde we’re not talking about 100 year old boat engine history. Nice shot at a fallacy tho. We’re talking about what was a modern production engine seen everyday up until a couple years ago. Also only the transfer case and lower unit is truly unique. The LS engine might be the most widely produced engines in history and The transmission is an off the shelf zf.

@@longsleevethong1457 it's still worth watching a video on it.

@@Hydrogenblonde i actually did look it up lol

Video was ok until he left out the part about how this engine was killed on purpose. Wasn’t really regulations.

​@@longsleevethong1457 i think mercury marine had a big part in making sure competition was eliminated 😅😅😅

@@frankorobinson1540 well….post a video to that or what you heard

Evinrude refused to make anything but 2 stroke engines and I’m pretty sure they legit got shut down because of fuel/exhaust emission regulations

"most engines used in a majority of boats are automotive based" That is not true today. Outside of diesel all of Mercury's engines (outboard and sterndrive) are purpose-built marine engines. Including the new sterndrive product. With the 4.5 and 6.2 Mercury went away from GM blocks to avoid the need for VVTI in favor of simple pushrod tech.

I was a bit surprised too but after watching the video I think the title is pretty accurate.

Well I’ve never seen one of his videos, and the thumbnail was what made me click.

I have hired a guy to help boost click-through rate, tbh he came to me offering this service, so it’s him. And yes, this one was a bit crazy and really out of my own style, too. The next video is also going to have his thumbnail and then we will see. Thanks for the criticism, cheers mates!

@@VisioRacer The thumbnail is 100% accurate, 0% clickbait.

Chevs into inboard engine boats isn't new.

He won't finish it. He has no desire for boats. Excuses

I'm sorry but I just don't believe you. When are you going to upload a video of your boat to your channel?

Oh yeah... MIT students developed that new toroidal propeller design that is 50% more efficient. ....Crazy man.

What VP didnt know was that the calibration of these 7 marine engines was not EPA compliant. And thats a huge bloody liability

@@whocares4648 EPA is just a US thing which others don't necessarily follow, ask VW if they ever paid any fines. What you say may be true but I find it hard to believe that Volvo working so closely with GM, a big chunk of their stuff is GM powered, that they would be clueless wether or not they could get an LS engine to comply with any standards. Just like them buying all the last supply of 496s GM made. The government had GM stop production during the bail out crying lack of efficiency but had no concern with volvo purchasing thousands of engines and use them for the next five years after they were discontinued.

Good point. Didn’t think about that

And ford used that engine in the sho too I think…or they designed that separate….can’t remember

@@longsleevethong1457 The Ford motor was 90degree cast iron block V8 based on the duratec V6 but with Yamaha designed heads. Yamaha used that engineering and built a 60degree aluminum block. Then Yamaha turned the heads around, went back to timing belts, put in a dry sump, and increased displacement and made it an outboard engine.

@@don2deliver that’s it

Seven, even with Volvo backing it, would never been able to compete with Mercury. Seven was a custom, niche product with very high cost and many outsourced and complicated parts. The Mercury is basically an off the shelf product, normal warranty, have deals in relation to navigation/electronic support. It's developed from the ground up as a marine engine, with all the major parts built in house, and a huge dealer network, way bigger than VP. The moment the v12 Merc was released, the Seven sales would have dropped like a rock.

@@Kowalski301 you're likely right, but there's still a group of people who buy for the flashiness above all else, and the 7 had that. Especially in the category of those big boats. Is a 65 center console with 5 outboards practical? Definitely not, it's a show piece, I think 7 could have continued to sell into that market. No doubt the Mercury would have been a better motor.

@@8180634 There are always people who buy custom or niche products and like to show that off, but the market is small, and the exterior of an outboard is also very limited and streamlined in that regard, and they all essentially look very similar across brands. So a custom paint or decal job is basically "90%" of what people see and all you need to make your outboard "unique" The only other thing people care about is the number of outboards and the HP... So if the quality and performance AND look isn't setting the niche product apart from the competition, there are even less reason to buy it. It would be naive to think that VP didn't run the numbers and saw there wasn't any money in it for them.

They still are

And 2013 on HSVs in Australia

Thank you!

Just think how much better mileage you could get with 100hp!

"those people" have more money than we can dream of and it's all about what exists for them to buy more than how much it costs.

Yes. I've filled a 39 foot Cigartte GT with Quad Merc 400's. It aint cheap, let me tell you.

There are already Cummins marine engines. John Deere too. Deere marine engines are great.

CAT too

Extra valves are important in NA engines, but don't yield as much gain in boosted gasoline applications.

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They where terrible. You forgot to mention that.

@@flyrc100 how many did you have?

@@flyrc100 that’s what I thought.

Volvo penta 550 and 770 a 50 and 70hp outboard in the 70s an 80s

They have 430hp gasoline and 1000hp diesel inboards. Rich people mostly buy a ready to run boat, they do not care about inboard or outboard, so they could easily be picking between a Volvo 800-1000hp diesel inboard or a seven marine 600hp gasoline outboard. So it still makes sense to buy out the competition, and the competition was greedy enough to take the money and leave his company.

Thanks for the correction!

This a new conspiracy theory or just "the jews" like usual?

@@kristoffer3000 are you human or just a bot like usual?

@@isakjohansson7134 So it's "the jews" lol

If your getting flak, it’s because your over the target. Both Volvo & Evinrude shutdown their outboard motor divisions during the start of the pandemic. Yet outboard sales boomed shortly after. The investment giant Blackrock made it clear publicly in 2017 they would force companies financially to comply with their woke agendas and the 2020 lockdowns showed the WEF’s and Blackrock’s of the world meant business. I suspect ICE outboards aren’t part of the globalists plan for the mass of humanity.