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i'm glad you at least snuck in vigil slander at the very end

That is why I love the integrated strategy game mode because I see value in every operator no matter now low tier they are because in the end of the day you can clear anything in arknights just that creativity makes it fun

Thank you for being considerate towards Base Ch'en and Irene enjoyers and censoring Degen for us

Vivi's issue is that Arts Guards don't have a real role in the game anymore: There are far better blockers and damage dealers in the Guard category and her arts damage is easily replaced by Casters. That's why a lot of people really hoped she could have a Mudrock-style shield or something, so she wouldn't need backup dancers in the form of healers. Because if you need healers, all the other Guards become relevant too and you could also come up with non-guard combos like Saria + Ceobe (absolutely disgusting with module) to block better and shred better. The easiest way to tell is that no one uses Amiya, who is both the real protagonist of the story and a free 5* Arts Guard that does tons of damage, while able to kill some bosses on skill use thanks to true damage. There are just so many units that can either assassinate/severely injure a boss before a natural 1v1 happens via hot-drop (Texas, Yato, Phantom, Surtr, SA, Eyja, Qiubai) or can slap bosses around through sheer volume of attacks or true damage (Chungus, Hellagur, Kal'tsit). Bonus option goes to Skadi if you bring her backup dancers too. Basically, at this point in the game we don't need another Arts Guard that doesn't bring much new to the table - if Degenbrecher can get various AoE attacks, I don't know why the actual AoE damage boss couldn't get some either. I think it might have been a missed opportunity for a ground-based elemental attacker with AoE and burn, especially if you could synergize with Virtuosa.

Mochi has been watching Suprah

"For their role" is an underutilized phrase in AK. Not "for their class" or "for their subclass" but for their role. Vivi as a +plus def and +res solo guard with a shield and above 5* damage is a great role for an op to be in. It is just a less utilized role than "wipe the field"

Hypergryph could literally salvage more than half of their operators from E1 irrelevancy jail if they just tweaked E2 promotion/leveling to be less grindy. The game feels like spreadsheet simulator sometimes, where I'm trying to optimize every drop of sanity (both IRL and in-game) and every ounce of Base efficiency so that it doesn't take a month to bring a single operator to E2. No sane person spends money on material/LMD packs or sanity refills, so it's not like they're profiting from the oppressive timegating.

LMAO Vigil literally won me the last stage of this Viviana event, he was able to hit the machine to change the music and generate DP, made my life much easier

Poor Rosmontis, she deserves better

my heart dropped when you showed the hoederer banner, actual ptsd war flashbacks In all seriousness tho, it is so much more fun to use the "weaker options". I could use the TexAlt I have, but I have a lot more fun using Phantom BECAUSE he doesn't solve the entire stage for me.

SilverAsh is never bad, he's still very useful.

I appreciate your statement that "using Bad Operators will make you play the game more creatively than just press their Skill and watch them trivialize the game." In fact, I run a Niche called Badknights, which revolves around using all these "Bad Operators", which is direct proof that, even with the community deemed "worst options", they will still get the job done (yes, even Wind Chimes or Spuria). After all, Arknights is a strategy game first and foremost, not the "DPS power fantasy gacha consoomer" game people claim it is.

I think Viviana’s real crime is just being so different from her boss unit, rather than simply not out-scaling Surtr.

"So what's the point of the video? That is - " *ad break cuts in* Almost had me spilling my coffee lmao

Unironically, vigil is my go to vanguard nowadays, his S3 carried me well on chapter 13 because he deals triple hits, propelling the bombs nicely. Though his S1 is my go to skill, just prop him and have him afk lanehold early game while giving itsy bitsy amount of dp and regen his wolves. Really, when you like an operator well enough you’ll always find a place for them

The great thing about Arknights is unlike other games, you don't need the meta units to clear the game. You're not gonna struggle much either. Any well maintained account can clear the story if the Doctor knows what they're doing. That's exactly the point of Kyostin and Eckogen's low star guides!

This is a really good and nuanced look at "bad operators". I think another problem is, while "there are no bad operators, only bad doctors" and "every unit is usable if you figure out how" are true, a lot of players either aren't big brained enough to make it work, or don't care to 'git gud' in their fun time vidya gaem. Neither of those are insults, I think being casual and being dumb are valid life choices. But while a lot of not necessarily hardcore but I guess heavily invested players do enjoy the challenge, there's a reason the most well-known AK creators are guide makers. Game hard, and it seems natural to me that operators who "make it harder" would be considered bad. For me, I really like Viviana and have been using her, but boy do I need a meta squad to support her because I am bad enough at the game for it to tip over into 'frustrating challenge' instead of 'fun challenge'. It sucks being tired of meta but not good enough to really flourish in a niche. That's why you can never ever quit because I'm living vicariously through you, no pressure.

0:55 and here i thought Arknights was a visual novel

6:30 we will be seated for the upcoming enforcer solos patriot video

This means you guys should totally build Ceylon

I think Spuria is the only character I can't think of any use cases for whatsoever when there are buffers who are both stronger and don't slowly kill themselves by existing/randomly stun the person they're supposed to be helping. Even Vigil has some closet uses due to his wolves able to soak multiple hits from hard-hitting enemies who aren't really meant to be tanked/blocked and his module is going to make them better at that by giving them innate physical dodge.

Ironically there so many dokutah who cant clear stages without following/copying guide despite they build many good and Meta operators

Just like Astesia. Her kit is boring and basic, but she's very pretty

vigil have 3 block or 2 block, the damage is decent. just build cost is the issue

Czerny is a banger unit that nobody uses. And Bena is one of the best Arts tanks in the game.

Ever since I started Arknights about two years ago, I've been a dedicated Only Operators I Love-knights niche player and I really think that's the most fun way to play. I find it so funny every time I see tier lists ranking 6 stars on whatever criteria and when I go looking for the 7 (including Viviana

Arts fighters are just bad archetype. The only one used commonly is Surtr and that's because she doesnt play like arts guard but like helidrop on steroids. 1 block is bad, no self sustain and mid stats are bad. If you need arts dmg its usually just easier to use a caster anyway. And then every second melee nowadays have arts dmg anyways (Tex2, Qiubai) or have enough raw dmg to overpower def (Mlynar, Hoe, Degen).

5:18 Boycat detected, repeat boycat detected

I think you hit the nail on the head. Viviana is neither *busted *interesting *has utility I have built plenty of operators who aren't amazingly good because they do something interesting or fun. While Viviana is just... Astesia powercreep.

Finally someone that understand Viviana. She isnt bad its just her kit is so boring and she is nothing more than astesia powercreep but more expensive. You cant just add more def and res when your opponent is basically immortal ( surtr's remnant ash ) and have higher damage than you. Vivi need unique kit to compete. She should take note on arturia and get her og art nuke back since that was one of the thing that special aboit her boss form

I remember starting arknights 4 years ago with just chen, when all my friends got ops like suzuran, exusiai, or even hoshiguma, and how hard it was on my end just using chen every stage.

Think the reason as to why an operator is considered bad is because, while they have a niche, sometimes that niche is either way too small for investment, or they already have an operator that fits the nich well enough to get by. For example, Puzzle I would consider to be bad. I have never seen him be used in more than 1 video, but that one video, was a video showcasing that a Puzzle+Stainless combo can generate enough dp to sustain 1, if not 2 merchants in an annhiliation map. But the problem here is that you need a Stainless for it to wotk, so the niche is hard to accomplish, and the merchants we have aren't exactly good enough to warrant this setup, and a simple Myrtle would be enough instead.

This video convinced me to M6 Viviana just because I wanted to and also I have so many resource to burn out

Part of the charm of arknights is that its a strategy game, thats why i enjoy it so much cause even with the more bad operators like Tsukinogi or almond or my beloved hung, they still have their uses, especially if you know how to correctly use them. Powercreep is definitely a huge issue on why a lot of operators are seen as bad cause y use phantom when u can just use texas or yato? Which i do hate but understand, but unlike other games you can still use “bad” or mediocre operators to clear most content in the game even most challenging content like CC or h stages, yeah theres times you will definitely have a very VERY difficult time without meta ops but again most of the time its a non issue, i do definitely wish there was more events like cc 12 that made mostima super useful or brought back underwhelming niches like silence again, but still what arknights has now is good. Every operator is still useable, especially if u know what to do with them, still is sad people just automatically call them bad or mid because they arent meta/aren’t meta anymore

I prefer using the term "niche" over "bad." In my opinion, it's more accurate to describe the great majority of operators. For me, when something is described as "bad," it means it is incapable of being "good" in any scenario.

One thing I love about Tower Defense more than any type of games I ever played. There is no 1-way to win the game. That's the fun of it. You can play the way you like, with any character you like. Specially for Doctors that managed to pull it off with only 4 stars. You are crazy lol. Big respect.

SMH shake my head (head shaking right now) Vivianas base skill is cracked

To me, the meta doesn't really matter until the really hard maps, like CC or the last EX stages of a given event. Until those stages, I just play with whatever combination of operators I think is fun. And even so, I sometimes get suprises. You know who was the key for me to clear the EX7 CM stage of the last event (which was way harder than the EX8)? Friggin' Firewhistle, who I had E2'd because she's cool and fun to use.

It is a tower defense *with* resource management!

One thing that is often overlooked is also the fact that a lot of 'bad' operators are highly specialized, so they might not be the best in all situations, but once their speciality comes around they are leagues above the more general competition. Someone like Thorns is a great example, he is highly regarded and greatly rated, but once the shit really hits the fan just disappears. Can you imagine how good Viviana would be if we get another event with super strong burning sword weeb type enemies?

You could see a cursor move in the recording of Vivi's chibi in 2:43.

I built vigil off on a bet... has never been used even once.

How can you get operator spite transparent. I tried but the web is bug and background replace with back screen

thx as always for the video

I have a second account that I gave a self-limiting rule of not pulling except for free pulls, recruitment and headhunting (basically just don't use orundums). I managed to get hoho and viviana on that acc. With hoho, I manage to at least find use for her almost instantly, even carrying some stages for me and I really liked her. But with viviana, I still struggle to find a use for her even after masteries. If she can't kill within her skill, she needs help with pretty much anything, especially surviving.

Funnily enough while I did pulled on Chongyue’s banner, I only did 60 pulls for one copy of him but blew all my savings into the banner after his, Qiubai. She was a dark hair red eyes anime swordswoman which I’m a sucker for (can you guess why) and I love her so much. I instantly Max level M9 her and use her a lot more than Thorns.

Bro, I love Hoederer. ❤

I'm a waifu over meta player clearly because I tend to use whatever I think is pretty

Damn people really doesnt remember lessing at all At least people remember vigil being bad

Bijiru... Do you guys think Viviana would work better if she was like uhhhh arts zuo le?

My first two six stars were Hoshi and Shining.... that really shaped me as a player

It's true that esources are limited and this plays a huge factor. If an operator isn't a huge upgrade over what you're already have or provides a frequently useful niche you're probably better spending your resources on someone else, that's the sad fate for operators like Viviana, being just ok isn't enough.

I personally felt so good when people called Qiu mid and she was one of the most used ops to clear DOS S stages, bet they didn't saw that coming and i enjoyed it as she was my first 6* lord back in her debut banner

8:19 this is why I still use Exusiai with buffs and debuffs to shred some bosses, these 12 slots are great for an army of buffers and debuffers

There at least should be fire effect in Viviana's skills to make her a proper candle knight

I can't seem to be able to see my comments under this video, but just in case it's a me problem and i haven't been banned - nice video with good points.

This is also why I like Hoederer because I get to bring Ethan more on mission. I enjoy playing AK doing synergy. Like Viviana S3 + Saria S3 + Eyja S1. Sadly I only have Eyja. Viviana and Saria won't come to my account 😢 I have and love playing Abyssal Hunters though because their synergy is amazing

Viviana is clearly a niche elite handler/phys boss killer, so i wanted her, i manager to do 300 pulls (because i wanted rosmontis as well and i was saving) i got 12 Virtuosas and 2 Vivianas, in a 10-pull i got 2 6 stars, both virtuosas, it was astounding how much the game didn't want me to have viviana

What's the ost playing at the beginning of the video?

Having been playing Lupoknights since Siracusa I sometimes forget that Vigil is bad. I would of course never recommend him but he does do his job usually.

That word, that sentence. I've hear that hundred times. Whatever they called them bad or good, using quotes or not, this kind of player always bring BAD MOOD to everyone.

My main issue with Vivi isn't her lackluster kit, it's that she is just not what I pictured her as a playable operator. She went from one of the flashiest and coolest NPCs in battle to one of the most boring VFX operators we have.

> there are no bad operators Verdant

The video was great, it sends an important message to everyone who worries about not having "meta" operators but I have to say that Vigil sucks so baddd I got him today on an IS run and promoted him, all skills M3 but he was barely usable help

eunectes vs horn?!? I'm sorry what? How in the world are they similar. They are designed to do two completely different things?!? (aoe vs single target elites)

Ok, but what is that banger at 7:28?

Is the design joke that she's a candle without a flame lit? Because she works better with Ifrit and Reed Alter lighting it up. Maybe a future module will give her burn elemental damage like Warmy has.

if only her shield is not immun to 1 meele dmg,i will raise her already there's like so many reason to not raise her at all even if you don't have any art guard in your acc

Hoolheyak got a use. She lift annoying enemies to shut down their special effects like barrier pricks in the current that reflect dmg. I believe viviana need a slight push in her kit. She need some sustain and something special when she activate her skills like an explosion. I kinda wonder why didn't hg make her a lord or a musha. Those two classes fit her more than her current one

This is exactly why you stay away from most gacha communities. The 'good' or 'bad' characters is nothing but a suggestion in most cases but if you dare to point it out, you get laughed at. That being said, it is good to look at these suggestions at first when new to the game to figure out what works and why, but if you value your sanity, please do yourself a favor and stay away tier list once you figure things out. This is a game, heve fun and level who you want. Though I would still appreciate if they buffed Caernelian.

well i'm a meta player that hates on bad operators but there is still a niche even the worst trash operators can fit in (usually), that is in base. Viviana has actually a pretty cool base skill. The same goes for operators such as eunectes. I don't use they much on my day to day basis clears, but by having at least this reason to raise them, and as they are raised, i still get to use them on a situation they become quite good, such as a niche clear on a stage or even IS. So if yall meta enjoyers want another reason to raise an operator try looking into their base stuff, it might do as well as it did for me.

Can you tell me what song on 7:30?

i started with viviana.... but i got thorns, virtuosa, dorothy, typhoon, Lin and executor alter in less than one month, so my poor vivi will stay e1 for a good time lol

in the end it comeback to resource lmd, exp, chip and mats are not easy to collect afterall, sanity is capped and slow to refill that make base your best choice to get the resource (mainly lmd and exp) im almost 9 months playing, seeing it from new player perspective the most ideal way to progress is building base slave operator and build meta operator, the more efficient the better, and yes i do that lmao, pulling proviso, choosing shamare from 5* selector and ofc e2ing them aswell (e2 ing vulcan, morgan, delphine that i wont use, bibeak, tquila and scene is very fun to use) but most of them is just e2 for base but the outcome they give is retained and aslong i dont lazy my ass off to rotate them, they will payback eventually i got 40 e2 now, and 10 of em is for base purpose having "bad" operator is fine, im talking as for fellow new player dont focus so hard on people saying about operator, but do your own research also optimize your base ! and as 6:33, as newbie what i got from newbie pool is siege, angelina and shining, so do i e2 them (newbie pool nowdays feels way better tho ngl) some of irl friend says to reroll for SA or exu, but then i just go with it, and yes i actually playing with 3 of em most of the time before i got qiubai and eyja (in 2nd months of play) still i use ange+eyja to melt anyone most of the time LOL some says go built myrtle so you can borrow e2 unit, but the sigma me said i wont borrow any unit and watch guide (until i met patriot ofc) still proceed to built her, but being use to 2 block vanguards since day 1 (siege + texas), my myrtle still not max trust till this day ahahaha till this day i still bring those 2 vg, blue poison, shining, qiubai and eyja most of the time

Yeah, I feel like this problem is only going to get worse as Operators are getting more and more broken. For example, W Alter is probably the best Sniper in the game and every future Sniper that is released that is not as broken or does not have an interesting Niche will immediately be considered bad in comparison.

8:20 I respectfully disagree. *Cough* Ling *Cough* laneholders

As someone who's been taking Arknights seriously since January, (Have had my account for 4 years and played off and on) I like trying to figure out how to make Units I LIKE work. You can tell me that Blank OP is the worst Op in the game and I'll build them to Spite you with a huge grin on my face. Thats the beauty of Arknights! If people can do all these types of NicheKnight clears, just build whoever you want!

What's the song used towards the end? It's a bop

I like Viviana enough, satisfying kit to me. I'll pair her with Haze when I get the chance hehe.

I saw someone saying that Mlynar is useless now because Wis'adel is the new strongest unit, and I found that so funny. Ain't no way some people actually think like this.

I didnt even know Viviana was bad i just wanted her bc she looks cute

I use forsight to pull for all the Arkhomies.

At the end of the day with ANY gacha. Waifu > Meta. If your waifu IS meta, then you win twice.

Almost shot you in the head trying to slip Eben in the thumbnail 👁

4:50 Look at Horn, how could you say no?

I can't find supah in the comments

One arguement I heard was: Surtr vs viviana...thinking about that just about dmg and survivability its obviously surtr...but if talking about skill uptimes viviana might be more useful sometimes (im coping I got vivi instead of virtuosa )

Saga it's not better than Bagpipe, Myrtle or Ines, this makes her bad? No, she is pretty good, AoE Damage, big attack, a Trait who gives a second life, also a SP and DP source, she just can't overpower the 3 meta characters

I like using said "bad" operators... won't know how useful they are until they are actually used... the I adapt and improvise...

Honestly, Vigil shouldve been cheaper to raise. He's one of my fave operators but yes, it's true, he doesn't really bring much to the table besides sick IT voice lines.

I pulled for virtuosa and instead i get four pot viviana

ITS THE LEITHANIEN CURSE

To be honest this vid shows more about the mind set then anything else. But to the instead of putting down some 6 stars as bad vs other units. its indeed also a factor that in a limited resources game like arknights 5 stars dont offer the power there cost needs. them taking the T4 ships is a big fuck you to 5 stars.

Every operator useful, it's just developers who not let them be useful

Well people will start using true silver slash again when module comes

where does this mindset quartz is bad come from? ive been using her plenty since she came out and she works just fine

that statement about players without community input actually raises a good point, reminds me of the first few months of playing AK, i just play and build whatever i have at the moment, regardless of meta or not, and had a lot of fun. Which kind of makes me wonder if the community's obsession with pulling or building the strongest/meta units kinda ruins the game for some new incoming players, where they would otherwise enjoy the game a lot more if they just play it on their own. Something to think about..

Eunectes is still my Goddess tho. With module her single problem is practically gone and she became just disaster on the field. Not many bosses can actually break her while in S3.

it is through this video I learned that people think Eunectes is a bad operator lmao (she's one of my favorites and one of the few people I've max-leveled, I use her all the time in super hard content)