Yeah, the splitting of one god into a plethora of deities - and not just two - is likely, imo. What I find equally fascinating and annoying is that these "real" and outer gods are intangible (wild, I know. So unusual). They are sitting in another layer of reality - maybe each in their own domain - while interacting with the physical realm. In DS it's all quite different, and so is BB in that regard. And then there is IRL religion... lol. I enjoy that aspect, but I still soooo want to know more about them. Yet they are essentially unfathomable to the denizens of the ER universe and also us. The Elden Ring is described as a concept, I believe, yet it is visible and parts can be claimed and possessed, despite being the template for reality. So it is somewhat like the Outer Gods.

Mata-nui moment

@@user-zp8kj2cl9g Imagine the continent just stands up, wild. I remember how much I freaked when I realized Metru Nui was always inside of Mata Nui

The egg is just miquella, not the formless mother, who is ya know, formless. The egg was already present from elphael as you can see other cocoons in rooms before you get to malenia so it's not related to the formless mother.

In my view, originally there was one god, the One Great, who then split into many outer gods. Each of the new gods represents body parts and concepts, such as: the Formless Mother (Blood), the 3 Moons (Eyes), the Fell God (another eye), the God of Death (Death), The God of Rot (Rot&Rebirth), The Great Star Cluster (left Hand, the "Manus Celes"), ... And, lastly, the Dragon God (right Hand), who then split into the Greater Will (2 fingers, Order) and into the Frenzied Flame (3 fingers, Chaos)

yeah thats what i was thinking too

My theory is that, since Morgott and Mogh are twins, that when Mogh gained the blessing of the Formless Mother, Morgott's blood simultaneously erupted as well just due to their close familial connection.

@@MiroredImage I'd even go one step further and suggest the possibility that Mohg and Morgott are similar to characters like the two Ds and Radagon & Marika. D's armour overtly states that there are two men known as "D", both of whom possess two bodies, but share a single soul. They are the same person in spirit and when one D dies, the other simply continues on in his stead, as though nothing had changed. The (spoiler) reveal that Marika and Radagon are literally the same person shares this theme as well, in that they are two separate beings, but share a soul. Perhaps Mohg and Morgott are much the same, in that they, as twins, share a soul much like D and when one of them encountered the Formless Mother, both of them experienced a burning of their blood; blood Morgott overtly refers to as "accursed". There's theories that the Omen are, collectively, cursed by the Formless Mother and that they all share this blood, but it could also be that Mohg and Morgott's affliction as Omen might be a bit of a misdirection and that their Omen status is inconsequential to the truth of their accursed blood: the Formless Mother and their shared lineage.

They're polar opposites. One leaned into being an Omen and the other Detested. Morgott gets so angry when you spill his blood near the erdtree too. He sees it as a defilement.

@@Armameteus i dont think they're like D in that sense. They were active at the same time and were two entirely different personalities with different goals. D and D share a single soul. This theme of duality is reccuring throughout the game in different forms. Just like Miquella and Malenia being distorted mirror images of Radagon and Marika. The rest of your theory sounds very plausible

So what you're trying to say is that the reason the Moon doesn't have a flame is because the Moon represents the lack of a flame. Another thing is that the Moon is most of the time associated with water and guess what extinguishes fire..... Water. What I'm saying is if the Moon would have a flame, it would be water, because water symbolizes stillness and purity or in other words void or lack there-of, or as you put it, Unbelief

@@lucaluca3107 Thats basically what Im saying, The Moon isnt an outer god like the others. It doesnt ask to be worshipped or even be recognized as a thing of worship. All that I have seen in my readings of items is that The Moon doesnt have a worship. The Age of Stars does, but its more or less reverence towards a prophecy. The moon doesnt seem to even derive power from anything like belief or sacrifices or runes/souls. It simply is, like all things in the world. An unbiased watcher and a guide in the night, which is why I say Reason and Unbelief

you forgot the bloodflame

nah it wouldn't be the inverse of entropy because the opposite of entropy is order.

@@Dark0neone I say the inverse of entropy because its reverting backwards into its original state of being the one great

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While its possible that in a previous era they might be considered blessed, and maybe when they first appeared they weren't cursed, thry are most definitely cursed now as a result of their terrible treatment. They're constantly haunted by nihhtmares of horned beings (even ones who have never meant omen hunters), the ones with horns can channel cursed spirits, and morgots one item is an omen item that summons cursed spirits. They are most definitely cursed or tainted now, possibly by the dead spirits of their fellow omen.

@@sirdrork8616 The parasite theory is based upon the fact that the Erdtree is quite literally grafted atop the trunk of another big tree.

Very interesting theory! I've got a partially theory of my own and I wonder if the ideas can be combined. Of particular interest to me is how the rune of death interacts with forms of flame. Each death-associated flame has a black current through it, and I posit that each of these arose from a different relationship of the rune of death with the world. Let's start with malikeths black flame. A black and red flame that was likely created when the rune of death was sealed in maliketh's black blade. I would guess that this is red because Maliketh is a beastman and thus associated with the red power of farum azula we see from dragons. Before this point we know that the Gloam Eyed Queen had the rune of death, and this was taken from her. This Queen was chosen as an Empyrean by "the fingers".... but extremely notably the text does NOT say the two fingers. My personal theory here is that she was chosen by the five fingers before the split of the two and three. When that occurred long ago it triggered a war akin to the shattering. The Gloam Eyed Queen took the rune of death and attempted to wield it against interlopers, but was ultimately unsuccessful. That leaves two remaining eras corresponding to ghostflame and the "cursed" primordial flame of omens and the prince of death. If we look at ghost flame it associated not only with cold, but also potentially with the night--the eternal cities also feature blue flame. I would guess this was the "original" flame of the death rune during an original "age of stars." A time when there was only death and cold. At some point the One Great came to the world and brought life with it, binding the rune of death within the primordial elden ring of the crucible.

Yeah, but her/Rafagon use lightning. Now, Elden Beast however…

@@svolozhanin7627 Well said. In hermeticism lightning is perceived as a kind of fire or as a mix between fire (will) and air (thought), thought I think this might not imply much for this analogy of fire and divine will

@@svolozhanin7627 radagon doesn’t use lighting it’s holy spears

I forgot about the spirit flame too, and I feel like it’s an important one that helps illuminate how the original cycle of death was created

I grouped the glintstone fire with the dragon fire mentioned at 9:34, but the spiritflame is definitely one that I missed entirely. What's weird is that the "spiritflame arrow" item descriptions talks about ghostflame, but it looks like spiritflame is something else entirely. Great catch!

@@VLimit11 oh shoot, so you did. Sorry, I like to write down comments as I am listening and frequently I assume something is missed when really it just hasn't come up in the video yet. The Regal Deer Gods are the most confusing imo, I think they are one of the last pieces that requires decoding everything else in order to understand.

I thought that was mist

@@VLimit11 I don't think spirit flame is a thing, the ancestral infant's head calls the blue stuff "spirit vapor" and says that it creates a geyser, so it's not really a flame at all. Spiritflame arrows are most likely just a translation error or a synonym for ghostflame.

Maybe she influenced Maliketh to kill the GEQ before she was chosen

There is a spear of red-and-black, ethereal matter pierced into Marika's side as she hangs in crucifixion. It's likely an analogy to the Spear/Lance of Longinus, which was used to stab Jesus and ensure he died while crucified. The only thing capable of killing the gods in ER is Destined Death, which is represented by the red-and-black flame of Destined Death; the same colours as the "spear" piercing Marika. If it is indeed a spear fashioned to kill her, made from Destined Death, why would she be pierced with it in the first place? Who did it? If Destined Death was plucked from the Elden Ring, who was capable of wielding it to kill her besides Maliketh? And who was it that Maliketh successfully killed before sealing away Destined Death? The Gloam-Eyed Queen.

Yeah she might be marika

Melina is definitely the gloam eyed queen. She was beaten burned and given orders by Marika

yeah crazy how well he explained with 12 min

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Thats a cool way to look at it

You don't know how much you miss something till it is gone..

@@XDarkGreyX I know Rennala misses Radagons cheeks

I think the point of view to adopt to understand the flamme of frenzy is that the very existance of separate and fixed thing and being is a form of order and that the flamme of frenzy don't want chaos in the sense of maximum unpredictability it want chaos in the sense of the less ordered state of existance (so chaos in the entropic sense)

@@gouell2290 interesting point, but the life is somewhat chaotic and the frenzied flame wants to go back to single state of being which is the one. I'd argue that the one is the ultimate form of order where you don't have change

and his dino-dogs

Swamps and feet can't forget that

This entire paragraph is a single sentence lmaooo

​@@mesotheeliomait's a KZfaq comment section bro a lot of people type on their phone and type in a texting format people complain about it but if it bothers someone so bad to the point they can't comprehend it then the person complaining needs more English classes than the one typing. It's a very ironic mentality.

For me it's The God Slaying Black Flame, Ghostflame, and Prince of Death's Flame

@@giggityskull8986 huh all of those flames are related to death neat

@@depressedgwyndolin yeah that's why i like them😅

@@giggityskull8986 same mate

@@depressedgwyndolin if you see my character, he's this anti hero all black dark knight. And his main thing is that: death related abilities

That works out perfectly 😂 Appreciate it!

Yea the black flames was strong that it enthralled the fire monks and made them switch from the giant’s flame to black flames