Thanks for keeping it B.C. & A.D.

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In truth we are never not thinking of Rome. 😂

Being from an old Roman family, Rome is the life.

I know, right?

What part of Sicilia is Rome in?

Ohhh. Northern New Jersey. Figures.

It’s conspicuous that Latins and Etruscans are so culturally distinct yet so geographically close-and of course chronologically overlapped. One culture seems to have been historically expunged by the other-that is, by the succeeding one: Latin. But history is the younger cousin of myth and both are distant descendants of what actually happened. Mythology reveals storytelling habits where some circumstance that might or might not have actually happened is explained by a tale about an origin of some ethos symbolically represented by characters convenient to the meaning of the story-or mythos-thence referred to for moral, legal, and religious guidance. Characters are cast to fit the plot, protagonists, antagonists, and other carriers of the plot probably composites of actual participants in real events, and conveniently endowed with characteristic strengths or weaknesses. Ancient Greek philosopher, Euhemeros, posited that all mythoi originate with actual events which are subsequently reworked in retelling to arrive at the moral of the story-that is, its essential jurisprudence: human participants in real events becoming recomposed as individual heroes, demigods or gods in a mythologizing process called “euhemerism”. Euhemeros’ philosophy was considered heretical by the polytheists of his day. I think that whenever the intercourse between two cultures needs to be mythologized, the mythologizers always take the path of least resistance towards the moral of the story-which is naturally biased in favour of the storytellers’ culture, which, in the case of genocide or subjection of one side against the other, leads to a history written by the victors in which the vanquished are cast in a demeaning or demonizing way in order to justify the conquest-and thence to justify the conquerers’ order. These mythoi can be elaborate and entertaining (the Trojan War), brusque and to-the-point (captive savages, barbarians, and enemies are justly enslaved), or suppressing (The Book of Genesis) Genesis conspicuously ignores or only hints at the inter-breedable humans available for Cain and Seth to marry. Ineed, its general thesis ignores the evolutionary descent of Homo sapiens altogether. This narratological tactic of severing certain past events-or whole epochs of time-absolves the aggressors. In the Americas, European Christians sought to diminutize indigenous cultural and political legitimacy, first demonizing indigenous nations not-allied with the colonizers, then dismissing all indigenous peoples and their histories in order to justify seizing their lands as “terra nullius”, or “uninhabited”. Finally governments authorized the ‘killing of the Indian in the child’ by forced attendance at Indian Residential Schools. I think the Etrustcans-who were probably more civilized than indigenous Italic tribes-were narratolgically expunged from Latin mythologization rather than cast as a vanquished and subjected or enslaved foe. Romans ended up preferring a completely concocted and plagiarized Greek myth instead of an historicized Etruscan one-despite the remoteness of the former in time and place and the concurrent co-existence of the latter.

@@geoffreydonaldson2984 I wish for you to speak more often, friend.

​@@geoffreydonaldson2984 each day that passes I'm more convinced that the sentence "history is written by the victors" is a quote with which losers justify their wounded pride by making up fairytales of how they deserved to win but it didn't happen because "oh the other side was more evil unlike us who were pure on heart and soul. The romans had no trouble telling you that they kidnapped and r... all the women of the sabins betraying their trust. What makes you think that they gave a flying flamingo about your opinion on them?

@@jmmh1313 first of all, ancient civilizations are gone so they can’t comment on my views and I wouldn’t therefore look for any “flying fuck” worth a darn from them. I simply point out one example,-“history is written by the victors”-of this justification process in modelling a national or native or autocthenous mythos. I’m not Euhermeros, not even a modern version of him. Rather I’m convinced that all myths follow an inherent blueprint which, probably (as Euhemeros might agree) related to something that actually happened, a narratological template wherein sex, exile and and speciation are typical (of either human species like our own or of primal narratives which underpin all subsequent narratives). Interspecific breeding, or crossbreeding and hybridization in creation mythoi is often obscured by magical rather than physiological sex between two different human species-an idea that was not long ago (170 years or so) condemned as perverted bestiality (even interracial sex was so-considered in mores and law). The Rape of the Sabines is not about magical sex or trans-specific hybridization but, rather, the subjection of the Sabine culture by the Roman. Yet it is mythological because it presumes two notable fallacies: first that power flows through the male line and, second, that forced sex-or rape-was the only way to legitimize Roman hegemony (when in fact a peace accord is always possible and might have been achievable). That is, the raping was ordinary as far as sex goes-it reproduced offspring such as homosexual rape would not- but also an extraordinary act by which Romans claimed their supremacy by this unjust act. All ancient myths typify this weird- or magical-sex initiative and all involve justice-that is, vengeance, whether meted by gods, mortals, or elemental nature. Elements of the weird-sex origin of humankind . Many cultures considered themselves the only humans and all the rest as “others”, as monsters or demons, a circumstance which fosters such mythoi which, in turn, fosters such histories. Polytheists are at greater liberty to embellish this basic template in umpteen different ways, but monotheists are not. Instead the monotheistic mythos obscures the facts that human species other than Homo sapiens co-existed and that they hybridized. The first myth persists to this very day in the form of Biblical creationism; the second was conclusively debunked when DNA analysis showed that at least three distinct human species interbred (H. sapiens, H. neanderthalensis, and H. denisova) about 37,000 years ago. Genesis of course completely denies any of this. By that account there were no suitable mates for Adam (Godetal brought him every animal in creation “to name” -but no mate could be found-uh-whatever “naming” meant) so Godetal had to create a mate-a clone-from Adam’s rib who mated with him-which is as weird-sex as it gets. The story continues to claim Adam and Eve are the first and only humans -never mind serpents which talk (only one other animal in the whole Holy Bible talks: Bellam’s ass) -yet both Cain who was banished somehow found humans to wife, and his estranged youngest brother also found wives, presumably not his siblings. In the generations listed-and granting they are doubtlessly schematic rather than historically proportionate-the world that Godetal intervenes in (Babel and the Flood) could not have been so populated from Adamite line of humans alone. In this case the history of non-Adamite humans is barely hinted or overtly denied . (The “sons of gods” who took -or raped-the “daughters of men” whom they found comely to produce the race of giants called “Nephilim” is another hint that Adamites were not the first and, at first, the only humans that existed when Godetal planted Eden the banished Adam and Eve from it; the Cherubim guarding the entrance would wreak vengeance on any who dared try entering the magic place of the myth’s weird-sex). That history is written by the victors isn’t surprising, but I do agree that losers such as the American army of 1814 did find it difficult to mythologize the burning of their Capitol by British marines. The losers would rather focus on the Battle of New Orleans (which needed a boost in 1959’s hit single by Johnny Horton) in which the losers’ side- who sued for peace after Washington was occupied and burned- won an inconsequential battle (since the Treaty of Paris which needed the War of 1812 had already been signed but the news hadn’t reached the Mississippi River in time to prevent the carnage). It is fact that Etruscan culture was intentionally erased to the extent its language-despite existence of its orthographic examples has yet to be deciphered and the origin of its people is still unknown.

One of the many connections between Greeks, Etruscans and Rome. Demaratus was a Dorian nobleman and a member of the Corinthian Dorian house of the Bacchiadae. Facing charges of sedition, in 655 BC he fled to Italy with his Royal court,, according to tradition settling in the Etruscan city of Tarquinii, where he married an Etruscan noblewoman. Demaratus (Greek: Δημάρατος), frequently called Demaratus of Corinth, father of the King of Rome ,Tarquinius Priscus ,King Servius Tullius son of Tarquinius Priscus and King Tarquinius Superbus gran son of Tarquinius Priscus. Demaratus of Corinth was an ancestor of Lucius Junius Brutus and Lucius Tarquinius Collatinus, the first consuls of the Roman Republic. Three important Roman gentes claimed descent from Demaratus; the Junii, through the first consul; the Mamilii, who came to Rome from Tusculum in the fifth century BC; and the Tullii, through Servius Tullius.

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You gotta ask the Jews why they chose to do that

Not to mention Gaius and Marius and the Gracchi brothers.

You are the one ignoring media about pre-Caesar Rome. There is significant print and visual media about pre-Caesar Rome, apparently you just aren’t looking for it. Sounds like you just discovered Rome and have not even slightly looked into anything beyond the most popular media depictions. Try looking into books and academic material instead of TV shows and movies (though even within that media there is still plenty of material you clearly have not found)

@@HistoriaMoneta There are truly some productions about pre-Caesar Rome, but most of them are 60's B-list peplum. As much, the highest productions about that Era are the BBC docu-movies about Hannibal and the Gacci Brothers

This is so true. I love history now,but, in college and high school I hated it and I think it was the delivery of the information from the schools. If we had content like this in school I may have chose a totally different career path.

No doubt.

The problem with history in school is that there's a huge amount of content and an hour, maybe two hours a week in which to teach it. Use an hour to talk in depth about, say, the hows and whys of Caesar's Civil War and that might mean that you won't have time to address Octavian Augustus and his Civil War other than in passing. Or you go in depth with both and more and by the end of the school year you'll only be at the Hundred Years War instead of the Fall of Constantinopole.

A high school teacher will have about 25 hours to get from Samaria to the Middle Ages , include China, Egypt, etc in those hours.

Lead a horse to a trough...and all that

Nicely done sir

It's enough to make you lose your religion.

...and then Reman founded the Cyrodiilic Empire.

Many of us would speak Remance languages, e.g. Remanian.

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Roman monarchy and republic: did he just say empire?

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When this joke got popular I was neck deep in Chinese history videos/wiki but alas Rome pulls us all in like a black hole of stereotypes

Whats the podcast please?

@@nicholascampbell2570you probably just turn the phone screen off and listen to it with earbuds while you’re working or something

Damn right!

You are so deep !

It brings also more money than the shorter single ones.

I really like both. I'm hoping they can continue with the individual "voices of the past" videos with a few of these long format history lessons sprinkled in.

But those are Two different regions. So they can't both be the homeland

But did it really fall though? I postulate that it has simply amalgamated into a new form. Similar to how we retain Neanderthal DNA. Just like Greece amalgamated into Rome. Greece from Persia. Persia from Babylon.

It ​fell as a political entity in 1453 bc. Until then it just shifted forms through internal revolutions or wars. @@grandsonofman

@@Orca_mammal I would argue that it "seemed" to have fallen in 1798, but it's been rejuvenating ever since 1929.

good point.

Wilusa was north of Arzawa.

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The vid finishes in 374 BC

@@VoicesofthePast skipped over isn’t the right word, what I mean to say is end before teaching them. It’s almost as if you don’t want to make a four hour video smh