I'm gonna need a bigger shed 😂

Soon we will mill the frames and print parts of our Voron's!

In the Voron tradition, I assume we'll have a CIF (cut it forward?) program eventually, for the machined parts in this case. Cause this looks like the CNC I always wanted to build, but never got around to so far. And with the Voron name behind the Design, surely we'll see kits eventually, too. Quality TBD, obviously. New area for those that usually do kits, so might be a learning curve for them, too.

4:29 FINALLY! a use for PCBway!

Spoke to siboor and they are interested in producing a kit of this. Maybe worth reaching out to them if your looking for companies to produce kits of this later this year. Looks like a lovely sized cnc mill

Voron: we are looking ways to cut cost China: hello...

Polycarbonate gets scratched very easily. If you don't want the panels to be ruined by chips real quick, I advise to add maybe a polypropilene sticker to the inside to protect them

What the hell. I literally JUST bought a desktop CNC... now I have to build one too. 😂

The week-end live session/video was really fast and I am happy that you circled back to publish this one-on-one interview to give us more details. Great questions, good stuff! Thanks!

Spectacular! I'm definitely gonna keep an eye on this! Looks really great! Thanks for sharing!

I have a fox alien wm3020 machine at a similar form factory. The Voron community getting involved in the subject will be interesting as there is little for small machines that are capable of machining metal.

Actually hope that this little marvel will be scalable. A bit more work volume and the ability to add a waterbed and flood cooling and maybe later a tool changer and we have an absolute winner here. And hopefully we can build this from 40 series rail, not only 30. Plenty of good possibilities there.

I hope Sovol is watching this.

Great video man!

Very cool, I was hoping something like this would happen!

Very nice!

V2.4 was a thousand+ at one point, kits have caused that price to crash down to below a thousand for even the 350mm. I'm sure in a few years you'll be able to build this for no more than 1.5k

Must have one of these... My MPCNC is gathering dust as it's just not good enough. I'm surprised the BOM includes the bed, it could mill its own plate surely?

Use shorter end mills on steel, also lower the chip load by taking smaller cuts

Outstanding! I'm excited for the official release. Personally I would be running Mach4. But that's because I already have a couple of home built CNC machines that run it and I'm both familiar with it and already have it. I'll personally print as much of it as possible. 90% of the products I print are 100% infill anyway. So I'm used to the long print times and some of the potential struggles with 100% infill.

Dude is a true hero

Ben waiting for this one 💥💥

it's really interesting to see the transition to machining for the 3D printing community

wow amazing

nice…caint wait to build one

Looks cool, and probably will be the next best upgrade for something like the AnoleX Ultra (ballscrews and linear rails with a 1.5kw spindle for $1700 makes it pretty dang competitive though)

I've been seeing the "Carvera" wondering, why in the world hasn't Voron made something similiar that is totally open source. My dreams have been answered!!!

Will the front fall off if you try cutting A2?

Wow that`s a surprise, now get some hope for a voron edm mashine.

ayee, its using a saunders machine works fixture plate!

Gimme!

seems interesting

Personally I wouldn't mark out the plates by-hand. I'd just design and print a jig to keep my hacksaw straight and centerpunchs.... central.

It won't be just a question of whether the machine is of quality or not but also if they can implement some kind of beginner friendly software. Machining is vastly more difficult for a beginner to pick up and learn compared to 3d printing.

This looks great, better surface finish than the carvera air

Sweet, looking forward to release and comparisons with the Milo as I need one or the other. After this though can Voron design a metal 3d printer for under 500k thx

there's just not gonna be a way to fit this machine to my life but man, i really want one

DIY DNC, So hot right now.

I'd better start saving!!

I would love to see this working with FluidNC

I'm curious what all they need to get frame kits put together. I'd be happy to run some out of my cnc shop.

nice Shapeoko

This might end up in my garage. Footprint is small enough

2500!! well I’ll definitely stick to my excellent low budget MPCNC.

So if the custom made aluminum parts remain custom will the schematics of them be released so lets say a local machine shop make them?

Centroid Acorn would be great on this one 👌 Or a Triple Beast with Beamicon2 software 👌👌

What tool setter is it using, also how are you zero you parts?

I wonder how it stacks up against the announced rat rig mill.

Fugg, almost bought a milo 1.5, now I have more thinking to do

I know linux cnc and grbl, so it sounds like i’m safe. If you’re going to cut metal, don’t you want to move cutting fluid?

Will the design include an atc ?

Great undertaking indeed but... our friend from Cascade, missed the main point: SPEED, SPEED and perhaps SPEED!

Centroid Acorn would be a good match

For real it has to be able to machine steel ! It would make it not very interesting otherwise. It has to cut the aluminum clean to. Otherwise Milo v1.5 would just be better... UNLESS if you can scale the cascade again

cost?

Can you machine the parts for the Cascade with another Cascade?

So it's basically a 4040's specs with a build volume slightly smaller than a 3018? I would be interested in a side by side comparison to those (obviously with the router upgrade on the 3018 to let it do aluminum) and the Carveras to see if the extra cost is gaining anything in performance against the cheap ones and similar cost makes it at all comparable in capabilities to a Carvera.

First of all, I thought Voron is just a project. As for CNC, it looks just standard thing, we have lot of such projects here. But Im pretty sure Voron tried to do top-notch and affordable design. They forgot to flow lubricants while machining steel... 😢 Aa for alternatives, I know company that produces full frame and base as two parts out of plastic/ concrete composite. So it is totally rigid.

you need to cover the screws on the linear rails you risk chips getting into there and into the linear rail block ... not good!

nice! is that possible to build a Voron 2.4 using 2040 aluminum extrusion ?

Wonder why it couldn't be fully enclosed.

Is it really a voron? Or is it like the hemi? there is really only one hemi but it was turned into anything made by hemings motor Corp.

so it can cut another bed like that one?. self replicating?

well not to hate but these kind of machines or kits been out for a while it will be hard to compete with existing machines that will be obviously cheaper and as competitive as the new voron cnc

With most Vorons, you need the assistance of another machine. In this case, you'll need a cnc machine to make the parts. For me, I'll be getting a Carvera Air.

That spindle is made by who?

Still waiting for voron to release a resin and sls printer.

Seen a couple videos on this now, and Doug seems to be getting a lot more comfortable in front of the camera. The entire concept is very interesting, and I'd really like a CNC router about this size, but alas my dreams exceed my budget - and while this gets closer, it sounds like it's still not going to quite make it. Being poor kinda sucks.

Love the melding of the additive and subtractive going on lately in the community.

Cool but this is a CNC3018 with a too big spindle that costs 15x

I was so excited until the price came out

Nero's last video: Voron = no custom parts... So this isn't a Voron then correct?

Who was wearing the OnlyBenchies had in the opening pan?

I’m hoping there’s more to the capability. All these simple run downs make me think the Milo 1.5 just beats this out in performance per $ and it’s easier to bootstrap.

Looks like a competitor for the Langmuir MR1. Can't wait to learn more about it!

The fox alien and sainsmart machines are so cheap it seems hardly worth getting one of these.

3D Printers are also CNC machines. They are simply additive not subtractive.

3k? 😂

Why do I feel one of the most popular things to mill first will end up being Voron 3DP aluminum upgrade parts.

voron's first bedslinger :D

Hello Nero, yet another interesting video from you! Firstly, it's imperative to bear in mind that all the preceding Voron machines, including this milling machine, are CNC devices. It's crucial to note that "CNC" isn't solely synonymous with milling machines but encompasses any machine controlled by numerical commands, including 3D printers and not exclusively milling machines. Now, I want to highlight a significant design flaw made by the Voron team here. The MGN type rails operate on a single ball circulation system, which is suitable for tools not subjected to operational stresses, such as lasers, 3D printers, plasma cutters, etc. However, for tools enduring physical cutting stresses-essentially, tools encountering material resistance-like milling machines, lathes, drills, among others, rails with dual ball circulation, such as the HGH type, are essential. In such applications, the purpose shifts from linear axis guidance to containing dynamic loads across all three axes while maintaining an equal level of static moment in all directions, not solely along the axis. However, the MGN15 exhibits a static moment more than twice lower in the other directions than its axis, unlike the HGH15. Furthermore, with an equivalent rail width, the MGN is three times less stable on its axis and five times less stable on the other axes than an HGH rail. There's a miscasting here. What happens practically during milling with MGN rails? Well, since the guides are less well-constrained, each axis of the machine introduces weaknesses in the other directions. As soon as the tool engages, the material resistance will dissipate into the weak axes of each guide. In other words, the machine's "feed and speed" parameters will need to be reduced until they fall within the load-bearing capacity of the guides, which are very low with the MGN series, thereby diminishing the milling machine's capacity and performance. And since the weaknesses of the guides accumulate across all three axes, the capacity enabled by a 1500w spindle carrying a tool up to 13mm in diameter (1/2") will be greatly affected. In summary, due to its guides, the machine has an oversized spindle, which allows for mounting cutting tools of a diameter far too large for the dynamic load that the rails can support. In other words, a 500w spindle carrying only 7mm diameter tools may already exceed the capacity of the MGN15 rails. Here are some figures that anyone can verify: an MGN15 rail mounted in the X direction has a static moment of 21.6Nm in the Y and Z directions. However, a 1500w spindle, without cutting effort, already generates a torque of 6Nm. Moreover, material resistance can induce a delta-torque five times greater. Therefore, it's insufficient on just one axis alone. Since the weakness will accumulate across all three axes, we fall far short of the requirement to support the standard cutting efforts of a 1500w spindle. Here, we find ourselves in the scenario of a 3D printer equipped with a high-flow nozzle, but with mechanical components that resonate, reducing the acceleration to a laughable level compared to the hotend's capacity. So, I understand very well what led to the choice of MGN rails: cost and the habit of using them on 3D printers. However, subtractive manufacturing, such as milling, has a completely different set of requirements. I don't want my comment to come across as disdain or baseless criticism; however, it's a common beginner mistake to economize on guides and transmission. Because, I'm afraid, 12mm ball screws are also undersized for this type of spindle. My advice for the Voron team is that a machine, especially a milling machine, must be consistent in all aspects. The structure, electromechanics, guides, and transmission must be proportionate to the cutting tool and inherent torque. So either the spindle and tools need to be downsized, or the guides and transmission need to be upsized. Otherwise, we'll settle for what an unbalanced machine can deliver. It's a pity because the components that drag the machine down render the good components, like the spindle, inadequate and therefore too expensive. Consequently, we could create an equally performing machine, yet less expensive, with coherent components. This is evident to the seasoned engineer that I am, without further in-depth investigation of the machine, especially its crucial structure. All said amicably and with humility.

Meh, moving bed means you can't mill anything large. Would not build a machine that isn't moving portal.

Please, for the sake of all of us who work in this industry, stop saying “It’s a CNC” - it’s not a CNC, that’s the control system! It’s a CNC mill! Or a CNC lathe! Or a CNC printer! It is some specific machine that has a Computer Numerical Control system to drive it, it is not the control system itself! I appreciate your coverage of it and I’m really glad to see the Voron project getting ready to release Cascade, but please - help us out by using the proper terminology, you have so much reach with your platform and people who don’t know better are going to start parroting you.

No wonder you're having such issues with steel. Wrong tool and size, and huge stick out and going slow. Need to go high feed cutter and feed fast and shallow and use hsm workflow.

Not rigid enough

tooo expensive

Grbl Linux duet🤮. Get centroid acorn and be done.

You can buy cnc like this its not that special . voron should stick with 3d printers