My DM would never handle something like this with grace. DND has actually been ruined for me unfortunately.

The music behind it is heart breaking.

@@jmleroux7400 Become the DM you want to be!

@@johnriverdavis3497 and never play again :D I wasnt PC since like 14 years now :D:D

@@MrStandbyer I never understood the people who don't like "forever dm" I find it very fun to be able to play so many unique characters in different campaigns instead of being tied down to one, and you can do pretty much whatever you want as long as it doesn't ruin the experience for others

Maybe he should consider voice acting as a career…

@@NewInkFoHalo i know right?

Not funny

Funny

did they have friction?

@@hawkthetraveler6344 If you liked the character, don't look into it. It didnt end well between them, unfortunately.

@@AquaticHydra who do you mean?

@@latholayplay2939 Just search drunk tiberius. It's very uncomfortable to watch especially to marisha

@@hawkthetraveler6344 orion became/was a problem player. Main character syndrome, he would metagame a lot, he was notorious abt fudging rolls. He also made jokes and comments that made everyone, especially the ladies at the table, uncomfortable. He cracked one really inappropriate joke at Laura and Travis looked like he was going to kill him. He had issues, and while i hate to hear that he didnt handle them well, and they had to remove him from the table.

Aindriú Mac an Bhreithiún liam and Orion were really really good friends it seems. And they always did stuff the same, as much as orion metagamed so has everyone else except travis and Sam.

@@unclevivid9028 The metagaming wasn't really a big deal besides three or four extreme cases. The major problem was that he cheated, a lot. He fudged dice rolls, spell slots and sorcerers points. In the last few episodes if you watch the cast it looks like they assigned someone to check all his dice rolls. In regards to the metagaming thing though the problem isn't that he did it. It's why he did it. Everyone at the table and basically anyone who plays D&D meta games from time to time. The problem is that Orion metagamed to give his character the advantage and promote himself as the hero. For instance, Vax finds out that Sylas Brairwood is a vampire. Tiberius who is not privy to this immediately prepares water, a weakness of vampires. This is done for one reason only. Orion wants to be the one to be able to kill the boss. Compare that to an instance when Taliesin meta games. Nott decides to go through Fjord's pack and rob him. Molly who was not declared to be in the room is suddenly there and seems to know exactly what Nott is looking for as he fakes her out with a blank note. This is technically meta gaming but in this case it isn't for personal gain. Taliesin is creating an amusing and interesting roleplaying situation for Sam, and Travis, not just himself as he leaves the conversation shortly after with a "Nott is stealing your stuff Fjord". The forgivability of metagaming lies in why they do it. If it is to make the game more fun for all or several players it's great. If it is to glorify yourself, not so much.

@@BadWolf739 Your example couldn't be more wrong. Laura saw Sylas' fangs. Her very next turn she said, roughly, "We know he's a vampire since I saw his fangs, I do X" (I think it was, use a Holy Arrow). When Percy was interrogating the coach driver he talked about Sylas being a vampire. Other people talked about them being vampires as well. They go to the temple, where Tiberius gets the endless water container blessed, expressly to cure Liam. Fun fact: Liam acted deathly ill the whole way to the temple, whereupon the priest says something to the effect of, "there's nothing wrong with you" (vampirism not being easily transmissible in Matt's game).

@@ChrisJones-xd1re That all happened after. I'm talking about before the encounter. The only information that Tiberious had about the situation was Vax shouting "JENGA!" into the earpieces. As the group is running to find Vax Orion says "I prepare my canteen of water." Because he knows vampires are weak to it. But his character doesn't know they're fighting vampires. Everyone else's actions made against the undead come after the battle has begun and they've gotten a look at what they're facing. Orion's action is preemptive. Besides, it's not like that is the only example of his metagaming and even the metagaming besides he cheated to high heaven. When they were chasing the Rakshasa during the Slayer's Take arc he stopped mid chase and essentially said "I want to rest because I'm out of sorcerer points and spell slots so won't be much good in the fight." Everyone overruled him because giving the Rakshasa an eight hour lead was a terrible idea. In that fight which he claimed he had no spell slots and no sorcerer points for he was popping out meta magic and spells like candy.

​@@BadWolf739 "I go to my decanter of water, and I start doing it like that, and then I do Fireball" Last I heard, water is good at putting out fires, like say, accidental fires you caused inside your friend's houses. Rakshasa: You really need to try using single 'quotes' instead of double "quotes" when you are paraphrasing someone rather than quoting them. Orion does not say the thing you wrote. He says, and I quote, with my , "I have only a amount of spells left to be effective in a fight against a creature like this. I have no melee offensive whatsoever, so that's going to be left up to you with magical weapons and whatnot, I'm assuming. I'm tapped out of all my spells. So is the Cleric, as well." The Cleric is all out of level 4 spells and can't use Locate Creature. Marisha has to do it. The counterargument to resting is as you have said, except they were considerably more polite. So they can use a rest, but don't have to. As Will Friedle said, "It's time or its strength. We go in fully charged. Or we go in now and have a much better chance of catching up to it, but weakened." Tiberius isn't super happy about the decision to go on, but relents. Mercer is of course using homebrew rules, but the normal for an 11th Sorcerer is 11 SP and 12 spells. After asking for a rest, Tiberius casts only X + 4 spells (X being the number of Fly spells he casts on "everyone" before the anti-magic field stops him from casting altogether, which is never clarified), and exclusively low level spells, other than the final Counterspell (at 6th) that is so crucial to ending the chase: Fly (3rd), Slow (2nd), Silence (2nd), and Obelisk of Stone (3rd). Sorcerer Points can be converted into spell slots and vice versa. The clincher, of course, would be to count up the spells used in the first half, but since they only fought the tentacle creature and the Ghosts, I can't see it being even as much as the seven spells left over, let alone spells that can be converted from SP. For example: An 11th Sorcerer can get ten SP just from his 5th level spells, and four from his 1st level spells, and I am pretty sure Orion used no 1st or 5th level spells. That 14 SP accounts for the two 2nd level and two 3rd level spells he cast, all on its own. I am not going to do any more math, but I don't think you are going to be able to prove that he uses so many that the mutable nature of SP and spells cannot account for it.

+GoneRampant He didn't even make it 15 seconds!

+GoneRampant ''Grog c'mon... We should check his room just in case!''

+GoneRampant Well...you could see Travis was pissed in Orion's final episode. That these are professional voice actors in a small industry, so they handled their disputes/separation as well as possible, but a little bit of looting is an understandable bit of "next!" for Travis. For the Tiberius Fans, they are letting Orion make his own "Draconian Knights" series. Interesting copyright question, who owns a D&D character.

+Pandaemoni you might want to watch chalk talk if you havent already. He explained that it wasnt really a dispute nor was there a fight but it was more for a career decision. Was he lying and trying to cover things up who knows? but id rather trust the man's own words instead of assuming things and having my own theories.

+IOGNIT To each his own. I am not trying to dredge up someone else's old drama. Generally, I credit a person's words unless I see extra details that lead me away from that default position to that truism of human existence, "Everyone lies sometimes." Here I have reason to be led away from the default position, but no vested interest in making anyone agree with my interpretation. Whomsoever may be correct, it remains old news of the people involved.

he was a decent player

This!

@@vicboi87 yes?

Tiberius was a garbage character that sexually harrassed both keyleth and alura and many other female character. Tibs was a self insert of the shitty human that created him

@@malcolm355 what are you talking about

I agree. In the early episodes, particularly the early twenties, he could be very annoying, but there were also moments when he was fun and likeable and you could see why he'd been part of the gang.

It’s hard to tell if it was the drug addiction or the cancer. Whatever the case, Orion torched that bridge and he’ll be lucky to find any work in voice acting ever again since Sam and Liam are both Voice Directors for a lot of stuff.

What do you mean? It's not raining...

Yes, it is...

Oh... It is... let's head back, it's getting chilly out here...

All four of you are brilliant. I tip my hat to you. "Captain, my Captain..."

You have brought back terrible memories for me. Rest peacefully Hughes

Pretty much, I felt more sympathy from Matt as Tiberius in this one scene than I did for most of the run where Orion was still involved.

That's the coldest take I've read in my life

Yes a segment that was likely being written and worked on for weeks will probbaly sound better than a players off the cuff adlibbing

100% this version of Tibs would have actually been fun to watch. I remember watching that segment and thinking I've never felt more interested in Tibs as a character than that moment

@@rhysjonsmusic Weeks? Jesus, he'd have time for nothing else.

definitely is

I like to think of it like that too

To be fair, this is basically "my planet needs me", except the planet is Draconia.

looking at how Travis stepped up in the group as CEO (I think) I am pretty sure he and matt knew what was going it, but that fact that the group as a whole had an entire arc since they last saw tiberius, I think for Travis it was a "oh shit, its happening now" even though (I am assuming) Travis knew with Matt that Orion was never coming back.

Scanlan: Maybe we should check his room, just in case, but...

As much as I thought that was amusing, the subtext is kinda bitter since Travis was the one most annoyed with Orion on his last episodes

My response to that is... "DING DONG, THE CRINGE WITCH ORION AND HIS CHARACTER ARE DEAD! CALL FOR CELEBRATIONS!" Seriously, as a fan of the show, he was severely dragging them back and making things slow, cringe, and just not fun. With him gone, I can enjoy the show a lot more, which is the most important thing :)

@@VG-fk6nk yea.. you're the most important thing in the world🙄

@@beafbuger I am the most important thing in the world to me, yes :) So it gives me so much joy when something I disliked (Orion) got removed from the show. I feel like the universe acknowledged my desire ^.^

@@VG-fk6nk This one is a yikes

@@VG-fk6nk ah yes. Yikes. The obvious sign of the SJW's and not something fucking everybody says.

Yeah. Orion tried to play Tiberius as a gary stu. He had all the personalities and all the abilities and all the motives and all the... well, all. He tried to be serious but funny, dumb but smart, warm but fierce. Orion always tried to steal the spotlight. This here shows the players and characters liked them both as a person and a pc, but they were visibly frustrated by Orion as a dnd player

+ruinixgui Even though their relationship ended poorly, Liam brought him into the game initially at his b-day game, so he, of all people, needed closure.

Considering they are all following each other on Twitter I think they are all still friends. Anything that might have happened or any fallout that occurred looks like it smoothed over.

old message i know but check out a video called a message from obrian its very touching

I can't find any video called that

I forget where I found it, but it's out there. Apparently Orion set up a Kickstarter to help some people affected by the hurricanes in the South, but then used some of the donation money for himself. Another person he was in some kind of relationship with shared some really verbally abusive messages he left for her. Sounds like he's not (or at least wasn't) in a good place and not in control of himself, and it was starting to affect relationships on the show.

He was a garbage self insert of a cracked out sexual harasser. Tibs was garbage

@@malcolm355 No, he was a good character. But there was a point where he stopped being a character and just became a vehicle for the player's weird ass desires regardless of who the character was.

@@LordVader1094 he was always a vehicle for his bad behavior. Tibs was also just a kind of shit concept of a character idk why people loved him so much

@@malcolm355 definitely not a bad character concept, poorly executed and played by the wrong person is more accurate

@@muchos5233 except it was, it was literally a classic scholar idea with nothing original to it

Nicely guessed.

Nahhhhh

Yea i can see that

Or drugs

I ended up skipping the last few episodes before Orion left. It was a shame but it was a long time coming. Tiberius was my favorite character, but Orion wasn't in the headspace to play the character at that table

@@Telor21 At that point I just watched everybody else at the table and their reactions and just kinda pretended i was in this with them all lol

If only I could like a comment more than once.

been a while since this happened and I just don't have enough time to look back and find the episode/scene in question, mind if I ask what he did as a reminder?

+IMVADER2 no one really knows but it seems like there was a slight falling out between people and ended up with Orion leaving. But you can tell there was an uneasy atmosphere in the last episode he was actually there for which may have been caused because of an argument or something similar. But again, no one really knows. Except the maybe some of the cast and some of the crew.

+IMVADER2, The episode in question is episode 27. Although no one's really sure of any personal off screen falling out his character became a nuisance. In this particular episodes Tiberius' interruptions, meta gaming and self focus are at there worst. The team goes shopping before they head to Whitestone and he shops for a solid 11 minutes, much to the obvious annoyance of the other players. I noticed that during this segment, the 'sub train' was derailed. . . His meta gaming was shown by the convenient realisation that he happened to have an army at his disposal in Draconia and he sent a letter to his dad to call them for aid. This was shut down by Matt. His character is befuddled but it became more and more of a problem as the series went on until he eventually left.

I know you typed this 9 months ago, but still. Obviously, they may not wanna publicly acknowledge if there was fallout, but they officially came out and said that Ashley AND Orion were leaving around the same time and Orion would have stayed, but didnt want to burden Matt with him having a coming in and out storyline like they do with Pike because Ashley is SOOO busy now. Of course, they could have said this to try to divert if there WAS fallout, but this seems a little more likely, because they ALL seem to be quite busy now, some more than others

I also had thought if Matt had talked with Orion about this, but I think both of them have two separate and non-related campaigns, so possibly Matt just went ahead with it to wrap up loose ends

Exhausted Elox Everyone says that Orion cheated a lot, and that the cast was aware and that's why they got rid of him. I think they were just acting the part so they didn't make Orion look bad.

Exhausted Elox It was more than cheating though, the dude was clearly unhappy and it was making him unpleasant to watch. The episode before he left was a train wreck.

Samantha Langley - Right, but just because the show was overall better off without him, doesn't mean they don't like him or weren't attached to his character. They'd been playing for 2 years before Critical Role started up, so I'm sure they have many many fond memories of Orion/Tibs to go with the bad ones.

Orion released a video where he says CHemo Therapy for Cancer, mixed with alcohol and drugs and stress are a major part of why he behaved the way he did. There's a certain episode I cant recall the number, but you can see the moment he turned from sometimes annoying awkward geek, to fidgety, moody, tweaker. after that, he was always bipolar and you can see his appearance change.

Ryan Campbellbarrows was this episode 64?

Autumn Marie no, this was from i think 38

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Hopefully not

Thats all im thinking is like what if he didnt fuck it up for himself

Erin Rumsey fact

He died as he lived... a hero. Forever live the memory of Tiberius Stormwind, of Draconia...

Why did he left?

@@lancejedrickmaniquiz7547 Sadly, he was caught cheating. Like a lot. He also made some critical errors in how you should treat others at the table also came into play.

@@lancejedrickmaniquiz7547 Back then Orion was going through a really rough time, battling cancer and such. And while it's not an excuse, it sadly affected and changed his personality, making him do some quite awful things. In Critical Role, he metagamed frequently, broke rules, lied about stats and dice rolls. The players and staff had to keep track of what Orion rolled and then the fandom quickly noticed he was cheating as well since the characters' stats were available to the public. He also abused his then girlfriend and committed fraud, stealing money from charity. I loved Tiberius as a character but I don't condone what Orion has done. Still, it makes me sad that an individual had to struggle so much in life that it made them cheat at a board game. All I can hope for is that he's in a better place now and have the help he needs to improve himself as a person.

@@Mitsu92 for a hot second you made me question whether he was still alive or not. "In a better place" lol.

He didn't "leave" ... He was an absolute piece of shit that had no place on CR. They rightfully kicked him out because he was cheating and swindling critters out of money. He used his medical condition as a plot to get cash. It's all on the record. This is not just make believe.

Im 3 years late but, his well of wisdom was more like a bucket seeing as how he had 5 wisdom.

same, I've known CR for a long but only started binging their campaigns two weeks ago.

I got the feeling this might be the case! I guess we can never truly know, though.

The only introduction I've had to acquisition are the role they play on the MMO(?) Neverwinter. I don't have a ton of time on my hands nowadays, so I figure I may as well ask - is it worth looking up what they've done? I wasn't overly keen on their arc in the game, but I imagine if they're anything like CR then it's a missed experience.

@@unknownlongforgottenpaths Ehm...sorry for the 2 years of delay : P by now you probably figured out an answer for yourself. ACQ INQ is very different compared to critical role in my opinion...critical role is an entertaining show based on story and world building. Acquisition incorporated, meanwhile, is way more focused on the entertainement aspect in my opinion, with less of a focus on creative a constant narrative and a believable world. In other words: when i want to get immersed i watch Critical role - When i want to laugh, i watch Acquisition Incorporated

@@Diskhate Thanks very much! I will give it a go some when

I agree. I disliked the player but I loved the character, real sad about what happened to him 😭

Apparently he’s finally gotten his shit together.

He's never coming back, and thank god for that.

And now...I'm crying

Wet Willy Orion has revived the knights of draconia on his KZfaq channel

champagne

Both him and Sam were super done at this point. However, in the later episode where they bury him Travis has softened a bit, or is so removed that he can play an upset looking person well enough.

Orion might not have been in a state to do that

Pretty sure that was from Pillars of eternity

Pillars of Eternity - Ondra's Gift kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pth0mKuJ2LiUZY0.html

I think so, because Matt kept on looking down at something

Gergely Takács Yeah, but he seems to write down every long "speech" in the game, like Uriel's in the latest episode.

+Eldritch ' yea, that speech. anyway, I think he asked Orion to write down maybe the begining of his speech

+Eldritch ' I think it was either written by Orion or co-authored. When you hear Orion's reasons for leaving - theres a lot of comparisons between this speech and the real life. And of course the "I respect you all very deeply" line.

Ryan Zeitz Travis hates him.

@@loganreads90 rightfully so.

SPOILERS IF YOU ARE NOT UPDATED Draconia has fallen, due to an Attack of the Chroma Conclave, as a series of floating islands over the ocean, most likely those who can not fly had drown to their deaths. They have not made contact with Tiberius yet

They made contact... Super dedz. RIP.

BiggySn1p3r.....

64

And may he never return.

V G It’s staring to bore me, how much you suck.

Thank you! This is what I was looking for. I paused the video and don't wanna see it but I definitely wanted to know how long Tibs icon was gonna stay on screen.

They could not do that, Orion had actually copyrighted his character and after the burial Matt was never going to or allowed to use him.