VR Headsets 2024 | Is now the time to upgrade? | My personal views, opinions and recommendations

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Join me as I talk through some of the recent VR announcements and outline considerations if your thinking of jumping into VR or upgrading. I don't cover all available VR headsets, as that would be beyond the scope of this video.
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@SimHangerFS
@SimHangerFS 4 ай бұрын
Note post making this video the Varjo Aero is being discontinued.
@maddog8529
@maddog8529 11 күн бұрын
I wish everyone did reviews like this, No fluff and straight to the point, Great video!
@westr70
@westr70 4 ай бұрын
Good summary. I use the quest 3 as my daily driver and generally happy with it. I would be happier with the pimax and it's resolution but in addition to the cost of the headset I would have to upgrade my computer to handle it appropriately, and that would be an order of cost magnitude that I don't want to deal with at this time. Maybe later. Thanks.
@LouLope
@LouLope 4 ай бұрын
As always your video is informative, thank you for making them!
@johnvulcan212
@johnvulcan212 4 ай бұрын
Many thanks Marc for a most useful summary of the current VR hardware scene, as seen from the flight simmers point of view. Just the info I was after for a possible purchase this coming year.
@nicholasmarshall3191
@nicholasmarshall3191 4 ай бұрын
I recently bought my first ever VR, the Meta Quest 3. I have only had it for a month, and have 2 main observations. 1. Racing in VR is incredible, and I am hooked on it. It is so life-like. My triples don't come close. 2. My pc includes a 5800X3D, and a 4070 TI. Despite having a reasonably quick pc, the picture quality is terrible. Looking at numerous videos and forums creates a lot of confusion, wth many people having different "Perfect" settings, none of which has improved my VR picture quality in iRacing. So, getting the Quest 3 to look good with iRacing so far has been extremely difficult and very frustrating.
@Aku77777
@Aku77777 4 ай бұрын
Great video as always.
@Raceeverything
@Raceeverything 4 ай бұрын
My pimax crystal has been flawless! It's unreal with the 4090 👌
@grzegorztomasiak
@grzegorztomasiak 4 ай бұрын
yea yea china, we dont believe you anymore. Quest 3 is the best
@IDKOKIDK
@IDKOKIDK 3 ай бұрын
@@grzegorztomasiak Without HDMI for video Quest3 can never have better picture quality than primax, you get compressed video over wifi or compressed video over USB with Quest3. I COULD NEVER
@NikolaosTsarmpopoulos
@NikolaosTsarmpopoulos 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing.
@observer7070
@observer7070 4 ай бұрын
Have the PSVR2, and using triple monitors with head tracking for PC. Waiting for a reasonable combo with micro oled, foveated rendering with eye tracking, pancake lenses with widefov extension. Seen all the tech already in prototype stage but they remain frustratingly separate. Apple vision pro is maybe the first step.
@DinkyDoos
@DinkyDoos 4 ай бұрын
I agree entirely with your conclusion about the Quest 3 vs Reverb G2. I made the switch a few weeks ago and I'm very pleased with the level of detail across the entirety of the lenses, the cockpit gauges are much easier to see without having to train my eyes to focus on a narrow point. Also, I am now playing some of the games from the meta store and that's a bonus. One thing thought, the head strap is useless so factor in a new one and order it at the same time as the headset, you're gonna need it. I had thought that I might use both the G2 and Quest side by side, but now don't see the point, the G2 will be going on Ebay soon.
@theegodelpozo
@theegodelpozo 4 ай бұрын
If you have a 4090 you can reach 90% of the pimax crystal/ bs beyond quality with a few tips regarding virtual desktop, nvidia settings and bios.
@MaddogMike-444
@MaddogMike-444 4 ай бұрын
Which GPU do you have?
@user-dn4em6et7g
@user-dn4em6et7g 4 ай бұрын
@@theegodelpozowould you be able to share all those settings?
@khaledassaf6356
@khaledassaf6356 4 ай бұрын
@@theegodelpozo Seconded for sharing settings please.
@theegodelpozo
@theegodelpozo 4 ай бұрын
@@khaledassaf6356 repied before this comment
@itwillbefine2791
@itwillbefine2791 17 күн бұрын
Thanks mark really helpful
@flyhalf2
@flyhalf2 4 ай бұрын
Love the t-shirt Mark 😁 Disappointed to hear that Pico are not going to produce a Pico 5, I currently enjoy the Pico4 but it needs a DP connection for us flight sims and racing sims fans
@scottsweet13
@scottsweet13 4 ай бұрын
Timely! I’m a Reverb G2 user and considering an upgrade. Your closing comments about the Quest 3 and Pimax were very helpful. Great video Mark.
@DavidGonzalezGarcia
@DavidGonzalezGarcia 4 ай бұрын
Quest 3 for me its a no go from a Reverb G2 V2... pancake lenses will be nice, but the need to charge o change the battery every couple of hours or less. Reverb G2 its a superb visor until a new middle price VR visor generation comes. Mixed reality has no sense now.
@grzegorztomasiak
@grzegorztomasiak 4 ай бұрын
@@DavidGonzalezGarcia 4 hours the battery lasts with battery pack. I dont even play that much, most of us don't. 4 hours is really enough. Reverb G2 was the biggest disappointment of all headsets I've owned do to lack of clarity.
@TRX25EX
@TRX25EX 4 ай бұрын
After owning over 10 VR headsets I will say for now only 2 things worth it: 1. Quest 3 (normal consumer) 2. Varjo XR-4 (business enterprise) Apart of these 2 simply nothing worth going for, Quest 3 deliver everything a normal consumer need from VR at a reasonable accessible price and as a hardware I think it's worth it more than PS5 or XSX Ready to wait? Samsung new headset + Quest 3 light are worth waiting for depending on price you target
@stachowi
@stachowi 4 ай бұрын
Great comment, I’m in the same boat. Have a q3 with a maxed out PC and have been enjoying it
@mike605
@mike605 4 ай бұрын
I have thought about the eye tracker 5 but I am just holding out to see what will be coming in 2024.
@iredfive
@iredfive 4 ай бұрын
I am still using a Rift S I got right before Oculus got Meta'd. I want to upgrade to something that'll blow me away in MSFS2020 and 2024, but also be usable in War Thunder and possibly DCS if I ever get time to learn that. Ive thought about the clarity of the Pima Crystal, but can only imagine the neck pain from looking over my shoulder in a Spitfire for 3+hours. Meta Quest 3 looks enticing for the size and nice visual upgrade from the Rift S. but then something like the XR4 at ridiculous cost might give be the super immersion feeling I crave in War Thunder and MSFS. I think the price wold hurt for something like the XR4 but if its useful life is 5-8 years of amazing visuals, maybe its worth it? my Rift S was cool to me for the first 6 months, then the shortcomings of it in MSFS and War Thunder use made me start looking to upgrade. just don't want to do it every 2-3 years, but I guess that's technology nowadays! Great Video, thanks for the Chat!
@TheOriginalCoda
@TheOriginalCoda 3 ай бұрын
Same as you I have the Rift S from before Faceschmuck bought them. I don't want a Pimax cos it's 97kgs, and I don't want the Quest because it's giving more money to Zuckerberg while they're collecting and selling your personal data... should I give in and get the Q3, or wait for something else, or pony up the money for a Pimax and a good quality neck brace?
@wizardroll
@wizardroll 4 ай бұрын
Hm. I've heard that pico is still working on at least an improved version of pico 4, so I hope the details about this will appear soon.
@SimHangerFS
@SimHangerFS 4 ай бұрын
I hope so, that would be welcome news
@jrherita
@jrherita 4 ай бұрын
That's a pretty hot six pack you got there SimHanger
@MaddogMike-444
@MaddogMike-444 4 ай бұрын
My big take away is that I first need to upgrade my GPU from a 3080ti to at least a 4080. I might run the Q3 ok, but not the Pimax so that makes my decision for me. If price were not the problem, I would order a Pimax Crystal and 4090 to run DCS.
@Redridge07
@Redridge07 4 ай бұрын
The description would benefit from time-stamps
@reaper378
@reaper378 4 ай бұрын
Read my mind !
@SimHangerFS
@SimHangerFS 4 ай бұрын
Fair point, will do 👍
@get_outdoors
@get_outdoors 4 ай бұрын
Cost breakdowns have established $428 all in manufacturing costs for the lowest cost unit. Nice 6 pack btw 😂
@SimHangerFS
@SimHangerFS 4 ай бұрын
@@get_outdoors 😂
@LWJCarroll
@LWJCarroll 4 ай бұрын
A very useful video Mark. Thanks. Fyi I have upgraded to the Quest 3 128gb from my Samsung Odyssey Plus and am really happy. What swung it is the Mixed Reality and depth perception the Quest 3 has, also its stand alone Wifi 6e connection. Or the Meta Link Cable for PCVR. Also the speakers do Spatial Audio brilliantly. I now watch most of my KZfaq videos/movies in the Meta browser in 4k and full screen on a very large virtual screen. At some stage I hope to be able to afford a new VR ready PC with an Nvidia RTX 4090 or possibly the new release this month, a RTX 4080Ti Super which seems to be a good price point/deal etc.. Laurie NZ. 😊
@SimHangerFS
@SimHangerFS 4 ай бұрын
I remember the Odyssey Plus, what a great headset that was.
@adsilite
@adsilite 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video, Sir. I've got one question. Do you use air link with a dedicated wifi6 / wifi6E router? Regards
@SimHangerFS
@SimHangerFS 4 ай бұрын
No I don’t, and I have a fibre connection, but running on wifi5 😊
@KiLDELTA
@KiLDELTA 3 ай бұрын
I bought the pico 4 mainly for my simracing. I would love to get the Quest 3 but the cost is a definitely a factor. I saw the Pico being sold brandnew at the same price as the Quest 2 at around 250usd and i immediately jumped on it. Paired with the Virtual Desktop, the Pico 4 for wireless PCVR is awesome.
@SimHangerFS
@SimHangerFS 3 ай бұрын
For simracing it is excellent.
@elguindy
@elguindy 4 ай бұрын
Hi Mark another great video, what do you think about Varjo not supporting their hea$set after 2025? Also can you please share which mo7nt you bought for your keyboard. Thanks a lot
@SimHangerFS
@SimHangerFS 4 ай бұрын
The mount is a keyboard & mouse stand from Next Level Racing, all metal, great quality. I think Varjo are doing a ‘’dump & run’’ as far as the VR consumer market is concerned. Appalling.
@dtz1000
@dtz1000 4 ай бұрын
The Pimax Crystal was disappointing for me when i tried it. You can tell immediately it was LCD. Low contrast and grey blacks did not impress me. It did jave a great resolution but micro OLED is definitely the future. The Shiftall looks fantastic and I'm looking forward to cheaper headsets when BOE start selling their micro OLEDs soon, which i hear are amazing.
@BulletTacos
@BulletTacos 4 ай бұрын
Great Vid! I am fairly new to VR, and have owned the Pico 4 now for about a Month. I like it but I have no other experience to base it off. If I put a Quest 3 headset on now after using the Pico 4 would I be blown away by the clarity enough to want the Quest 3 over the Pico 4?
@SimHangerFS
@SimHangerFS 4 ай бұрын
No you would not be blown away. The Quest is better in clarity, but only nominally so.
@BulletTacos
@BulletTacos 4 ай бұрын
Ok great. thanks for your honest opinion, and thank you for what you do for the VR community. I have learned a ton from you in the last month trying to get dialed into flying in msfs from zero VR experience.@@SimHangerFS
@lineman55
@lineman55 4 ай бұрын
I currently use the HP2 running on an I9 12800, RTX 4070 and am looking for an upgrade. My wish list is to be able to fly at night in MSFS and have the clarity better with real black..not that foggy gray overlay as it depicts night. Open for your suggestions...
@DavidGonzalezGarcia
@DavidGonzalezGarcia 4 ай бұрын
Now, for me, only Varjo Aero or Pimax Crystal (the best now for MSFS).
@bakzetary3145
@bakzetary3145 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the imformative update! I'm "finally" upgrading some of my pc hardware from I7 9700K setup: Ryzen 7 7800X3D, Rog Strix X670E E gaming MOBO, DDR5 and a new Gen 5 M.e SSD. Keeping the RTX 3080Ti for awhile longer though until I see what AMD comes out with later in the year. Still using the Reverb G2 for last "3 Years now". I would really like to go wireless, the cord has always been an irritant too, LOL! The Quest 3 pricing is hard not to consider and I really don't want to spend so much more on a crystal. You think with the 3080Ti, and wireless with the new MOBO setup, I have the HP to run MSFS202 and DCS and not sacrifice too much improvement in FPS? I know wireless takes more resources vs wired but not sure where, CPU/GPU or both and would like to start fresh and not reload Windows mixed reality again. Ideally the answer is: the quest 3 needs greater GPU resources so all my new CPU capability can still go to MSFS2020 and it's limited core usage right now. (Will see what changes in MSFS 2024?) And I am also not going to a 4090, Im skipping that purely on engineering reasons because of the suspect new smaller 12V HP connector issues continuing to increase with age. Waiting for next gen GPUs from either AMD or Nvida. I also rarely go more than 2 hours on any sim at a time and I have an excellent 7.1 surround sound system that I can crank to any levels I wish and not interfere with anyone in the household, neighbors: I need binoculars to even have a chance to see, LOL!!!! By the way that new motherboard has Wifi 6E not 7. Seems like 7 is not fully fleshed out anyway and the Quest 3 had only 6E in mind for maximum performance anyway? One final important detail: I'm old like you; used to have a private pilot's licence and lost it a few years ago when I developed retina tears in both eyes. Even right now, after all the surgeries, and later: lens replacement procedures, lazer membrane removals, and on top of that; an old "RK" cornea procedures done in the 90's etc. etc; I can't get to perfect 20-20 vision anymore with or without corrective lenses!!!! I don't use any glasses right now because im 20-(25-30) right and 20-(35-40) left. (Varies because of the OLD RK procedures before Laser corrective surgery was available!) In other words; I don't think I could notice the benefit of something like the clairity in a Pimax crystal or Vario Aero. I am more interested in relieving the slight but still noticeable "Eye Strain" in the Reverb-G2. Finally, 128GB or 512Gb? Thanks for any input/recommendations.
@joelv4495
@joelv4495 4 ай бұрын
Get the quest 3! No reason to suffer with a ridiculously tiny sweet spot.
@aapje
@aapje 4 ай бұрын
128 GB is perfectly sufficient for PCVR. I would get the 512 GB version if you plan to play big VR games standalone like Assassin's Creed. Wifi 7 will only be finalized towards the end of the year and the final draft has just been made, so it was not done in time for the Quest 3. Note that some people use a dedicated access point just for VR. Note that is pretty much mandatory to get a replacement headstrap for the Quests. I would suggest the BoboVR one, with battery for counterweight, which served me very well on the Quest 2.
@SimHangerFS
@SimHangerFS 4 ай бұрын
Hi, yes the 3080ti would do the job with mainly high settings when combined with the mighty 7800X3D. Wifi6E is more than good enough…I am running on wifi5. The clarity in the Quest3 combined with the comparatively large sweet spot will be a noticeable improvement for you in my opinion. You might also want to consider lenses, not prescription, but just with an anti glare and blue light filter, helped me with eye strain. You only need the 128Gb version for pcvr applications, you’re not really using much of the storage within the headset itself.
@TheOriginalCoda
@TheOriginalCoda 3 ай бұрын
@@SimHangerFS I'm still running a Rift S. I need to update to something else, but I still have a 1080ti (just updated the 8700K to an AMD 7900X3D) so I will need to replace the gfx card too. Thinking I might buy a Q3 (cos price/performance), and an AMD 7900XT (cos price/performance again). Do you think that's a reasonable move until the next gen gpus arrive?
@SimHangerFS
@SimHangerFS 3 ай бұрын
@@TheOriginalCoda yes I do, good choice.
@gilchecksix
@gilchecksix 4 ай бұрын
I chose the PICO 4 as the price was far less expensive than the Quest 3. 320 euros so 200 less than the Quest 3. I was very surprised of the fluidity (40 fps) and the image quality is very good. But you see you prefer the Quest 3. Do you see a big difference in terms of image clarity? Thanks in advance.
@SimHangerFS
@SimHangerFS 4 ай бұрын
No not a big difference in image quality, the benefit the Q3 has it is faster at decompression so you can push those settings up a bit. I think the Pico 4 is a great headset and amazing value.
@gilchecksix
@gilchecksix 4 ай бұрын
@@SimHangerFS I think so.
@iamcanadian2121
@iamcanadian2121 4 ай бұрын
I want your Tee shirt ! Cool
@SimHangerFS
@SimHangerFS 4 ай бұрын
😂
@HeliSimDriver
@HeliSimDriver 4 ай бұрын
Hello. Love your channel and really appreciate all your great tutorials. I currently have a Reverb G2 and I just bought the Pimax crystal. Since the Crystal uses Pimax OpenXR, does that mean I have to uninstall the Microsoft OpenXR or can they coexist so that I can switch headsets if I need to? Since you have used both headsets, your reply would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
@SimHangerFS
@SimHangerFS 4 ай бұрын
They can both coexist 👍
@HeliSimDriver
@HeliSimDriver 4 ай бұрын
@@SimHangerFS Fantastic! Thank you so much for your quick reply👍 Have a great 2024 & beyond.
@hojiqabait
@hojiqabait 3 ай бұрын
1. Latency?
@Valkron11
@Valkron11 4 ай бұрын
I was disappointed to hear of the cancelation of the Pico 5 line. The Pico 5 Pro Max looked incredible on paper. I was originally hoping it would release around the same time as the 5090. So now I'll just settle for my Pico 4 on my 2020 3090. Looks like I'll be using that the rest of the year 😐
@SETHalpine
@SETHalpine 4 ай бұрын
First, Mr. Osawa, the tech journalist who launched this "information"...provides no real proven information, yes...Pico, as a content publisher, it's over! and at the same time, he announced Bytedance's record profits: +40% $29 billion! For hardware, Pico 5, 4 lite, or Pico 5 max pro or 6 (in competition with Apple's Vision pro), we already only had rumors, and it continues in these terms...
@surfman88
@surfman88 4 ай бұрын
Thx Mark voor the nice video's. I was wondering if i can use Virtual Desktop on meta quest 3 using my VD that i bought on pico 4. Or do i need to purchase on both devices? I dont see a way to login on existing accounts. Hope you can shed a light on this as former pico4 pilot :)
@SimHangerFS
@SimHangerFS 4 ай бұрын
Sorry you need to repurchase via Meta Store as it needs to be front loaded into the Q3. The Desktop app remains the same.
@surfman88
@surfman88 4 ай бұрын
@@SimHangerFS 🙏 already bought it. Must say mq3 is much sharper as you told 😉
@KristianKeppel
@KristianKeppel 4 ай бұрын
Do you recommend using your quest 3 with a Link cable or wireless?
@SimHangerFS
@SimHangerFS 4 ай бұрын
Depends on your system capabilities and your bandwidth. I am a fan of wireless using Virtual Desktop or SteamLink.
@user-dn4em6et7g
@user-dn4em6et7g 4 ай бұрын
Do you lose visual quality with airlink vs wired?
@tangosette
@tangosette 3 ай бұрын
I use Valve Index; I would like to upgrade to Quest 3. Do you think it's worth it? is there a difference in visual quality? Thank you!
@SimHangerFS
@SimHangerFS 3 ай бұрын
Better visuals, but smaller FOV.
@martinlaking7338
@martinlaking7338 3 ай бұрын
with the quest 3, which do you recomend the 128Gb or the 512Gb ?
@SimHangerFS
@SimHangerFS 3 ай бұрын
For PCVR save your money and get the 128gb version, the front loading capacity of the headset is of no benefit. For stand alone…then the 512gb.
@carpless
@carpless 4 ай бұрын
Still cannot seem to get the same graphics quality out of steam link compared to VD and open XR? have you found this?
@SimHangerFS
@SimHangerFS 4 ай бұрын
Not really, up the res in the SteamVR settings.
@Snack.Dragon
@Snack.Dragon 4 ай бұрын
Of course. Year is New so VR headset must be New.
@theegodelpozo
@theegodelpozo 4 ай бұрын
Just try virtual desktop (with a 4090) in quest 3 and override resolution to 5800xXXXX and tell me what you see in msfs2020. Thank me later. Btw when I hear that the Pimax is the best I don't understand it. SadlyitsBradley, probably the most important VR guy in KZfaq talks about distortions, glow and awful user experience (size). I tested it and I don't see the $1000 difference with the Quest 3. Not to mention the pancake lens quality of the Q3. Best overall experience.
@user-dn4em6et7g
@user-dn4em6et7g 4 ай бұрын
Does virtual desktop provide better visuals than Quest Link?
@theegodelpozo
@theegodelpozo 3 ай бұрын
@@user-dn4em6et7g to me yes. And one of the reasons is resolution.
@dronemonkey8032
@dronemonkey8032 4 ай бұрын
Would you upgrade from Pico 4 to quest 3? Pcvr
@Valkron11
@Valkron11 4 ай бұрын
I have a Pico 4. If I only wanted it for stand alone games I would get a Quest 3. But I primarily use mine for PCVR, and for that it's not worth it. Looks like I'll wait for another headset for upgrading in the future
@SimHangerFS
@SimHangerFS 4 ай бұрын
Honestly, no I would not. The Q3 is better, but if you’ve got the Pico the cost is not worth it. Hold with the Pico for now 👍
@markcoyle5508
@markcoyle5508 4 ай бұрын
Where can i get the tshirt?
@SimHangerFS
@SimHangerFS 4 ай бұрын
Etsy, and search for GiftTShirtsByMiguel. There are others too 😊 A favourite of mine is also search for FlyingPigsdesignGB.
@jamiesalmonsculpture8599
@jamiesalmonsculpture8599 4 ай бұрын
Making good quality VR hardware isn't cheap in this decade. Companies know people dont want cheap low quality VR experiences. Only Meta can come close. So heres where we're at now. It will be like this for a very long time I fear. Maybe 10 years out and cheaper high quality VR experiences will become the norm.
@stachowi
@stachowi 4 ай бұрын
If meta fails the entire VR will go into a dark ages again
@samueltolentino322
@samueltolentino322 4 ай бұрын
I haven't seen you do a review of the Big Screen Beyond, yet you are fairly dismissive of it. Can I ask what you as basing your opinion on?
@SimHangerFS
@SimHangerFS 4 ай бұрын
Sorry if I gave you that impression, not my intention. I haven’t done a review as I don’t own this headset, but have used one for a total of about three hours. It was uncomfortable and more ventilation needed, but to be fair the face gasket was not produced for me. The strap is poorly designed in my opinion, the display is wonderful, but the ghosting and glare I witnessed let it down. A good innovation but the total price outweighs the benefits in my personal opinion. My intention was to purchase it, but wanted to test it out first due to price and a somewhat extended delivery period at that time.
@samueltolentino322
@samueltolentino322 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the follow up@@SimHangerFS
@mitcherny6965
@mitcherny6965 4 ай бұрын
My best advice would be to never upgrade to THIS headset, only THAT one.
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