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So it is a more luxurious travel with the "Tour" trim, because the rear passengers have more space. ;-)

Well, that’s kind of my concern as well. But which car would do well in winter with loads of snow and steep hills? And no, I’m no longer interested in buying ICE cars 😉, and electric AWDs are out of the question as well, I’m afraid.

Electric cars are almost always better in the winter, than a similar ICE car - they have much better traction control. With winter tires, they do fine.

With rear wheel drive ID3 should be fun to drive in the winter.

@@NeilBlanchard it's not thr traction that concerns me - it's the battery life, short and long life.

@@NeilBlanchard I think the concern is the range when the temperature is low. Bjørn Nyland (Tesla Bjørn) from Norway has some videos about winter driving in freezing temperatures with cold batteries.

Lateral rocking? You mean short travel of the springs dampers you you get hits in you back on higher bumps on highways highspeed runs?

I promised them... It is really not a big deal.

@@BatteryLife So they specifically asked you not to show the back seat? This is very interesting. I now suspect that this wasn't a final design of it. On the live stream it looked kinda crappy, like if they took a normal back seat and just didn't install middle headrest and seat belt onto it. I expect something better in the production version.

It was not VW, the id3 deutschlandtour wants to show the back seats.

Depends on the consumption. Seems this car will let you drive pretty long and have short enough stops. I bet 1000 km when all goes well will take only 9h30 including charging. Wagon, do you mean the ID.4? A simply extended ID.3 would be lovely to me.

Wait for the German Tesla, with the same kWh pack the Tesla goes MUCH father and you get more room

@@olemissjim the Tesla with 75kWh useable battery capacity have 560km wltp range the id3 with 77kWh have 550km wltp... and by the way there not much difference in the room size

It is because winter tires rise up consumption. And I bet they were too low on pressure

I was talking about the bigger battery compared to the 54kWh version which makes about 150kg

@@alexanderratai5011 that's true. Winter tyres def worse too. And I hope bad tyre pressure. The EVs are always recommended driving on higher that OEM given pressures. Ride still holds good as they are heavy cars.

more range I guess cause winter tyres are making far more noise and rule of thumb: more noise stands for less efficiency ... and you recognice that in the second you are aware of a 3 km/h lower ø speed which makes a lot ... 120 to 130 . But at 90 Chris would get tired from 150 km plus (19 kWh / 12,9 ~ 150 km) . 58 kWh got at 90 kmh 150 km further (440 km @ 129 Wh ) and the 77 kWh max will make 600 km which also means to drive 7 hours like a truck @ 90 kmh = 630 km I guess 550 km @ 100 km/h xhould be possible ... cause 40 km /h cam at a price of 7,8 kWh ... and therefore the lowest 10 km/h gain will be a lot cheaper than the ø 1,95 per 10 kmh from 90 to 130 ... mayve 1,1 kWh ... and that would mean 14,1 kWh and 546 km. Good results, but best of all ist the 125 kW charge curve or charging power. ... Did you got your car meanwhile ?

You'll also get more out of it even in Germany. If you drive max 130, then your average is more like 100-110 even in Germany as there is always traffic or speed limits.

almost 50 k for to go at 120/130 for 300 Km🍆🥒🥕😂 i mean like all the others... just amazing for the City.

yes, higher tyre pressures help, but be careful

Sorry, can't remember. I don't think so.

That is true.

That quite normal in cold weather, all EV's have this problem with current battery packs

20 mins will add you 200km, roughly (not at 130km/h though...) And it will only get better as charging speed will be improved by software (from 125 to 170kw) - but 20 mins break every 2h or so is really doable.

I don't care! It has been 20years since I had more than 4 people in a car.

@@BatteryLife totally rigt. 5 people in one car are too much. only if the car is 5 meters s-class or whatever huge thing I would not put 5 people never. Totally agree About the 2 seaters in the back, how is the leg room? Same as on 58kwh id3? I hope VW did not raise the bottom floor where your legs go in the back seats. Or at least if they did, they kept square holes for the legs. You know what I mean.

The battery is flat in the underfloor and has no influence on backseat space.

So mean :(

Sorry, i can delete if it bothers you

No no, it is fine ;)

I was in D unless I had to slow down

@@BatteryLife When I was seeing it during it in the video, it seemed you were in B.

Does D automatically goes in Neutral on highways when you lift off the gas? I believe it still regenerates just less than in B. If id. 3 goes neutral when you lift off the gas pedal in D, that would be my dream EV. Most of them always regenerates and if B mode or 1 pedal drive is in them, all it does it regenerates even more. You need coast outside cities.

@@person2186 I am certain that it actually coasts, in D; with no regen when you lift your foot off the accelerator. This is not neutral, as you can simply press the accelerator pedal. The e-Golf does this, and a few other cars, too. But most have mild to medium regen integrated on the accelerator - which is meant to mimic the way an ICE car drives. As you say, coasting is more efficient - and regen is integrated onto the *brake* pedal, so you don't lose the ability to regain some energy, when you *need* to slow down, or stop the car. I have found that when you drive a car with this feature, your habits change - you tend to accelerate less (which saves a lot of energy) and you drive more smoothly, and you can discover many places that coasting is possible - where you would not have expected it.

@@NeilBlanchard thanks

Cabin yes. Battery no idea. The battery preheats automatically while charging and when navigating to a charger.

@@BatteryLife ok, thanks

@@BatteryLife That will be very interesting for temperatures below zero in combination with the heat pump.

M3 consumption rules!

My Model 3 Performance with 18 inch aftermarket wheels did this at 80 mph (129kph) round trip from Tuscon to Phoenix AZ and back on the same highway. It was 100+ degrees F out AC blasting set to 74 F drive.google.com/file/d/1304IMxdeG1PTQuCeHXVtLRDdsV6slB6H/view?usp=sharing Used 65kwh out of 74kwh has about 11% indicated battery left. Pretty good for a car that has nearly 500hp, AWD, and Sport Tires. VW has a bit of catching up to do.

It basically all boils down to aerodynamic drag - @120km/h the difference is ~26Wh/km - the ID.3 is a bit boxier and has a bigger cross-section area. There is no magic here.

I'm pretty sure your average speed is also in the neighborhood of 120 when you do max 150. There is always traffic or speed limits or construction zones bringing down the average.

@@BatteryLife I thinq the ID3 is perfect for the city. I'm actual searching for replacement for my Astra in addition to our Tesla. But I need the big battery pack, because I have no charging possibility at home. Can you make an only city video?

It had winter tires on. Heat is depending on heatpump or ptc. 2 to 3 kWh per hour more.

Sent it to you

The difference between the best (A) and worst (G) is 6-7%. If you use winter tires with low rolling resistance (C), the the difference is only 2%.

You can see in the next video.

@@BatteryLife I found it! Great work. Thanks for the spreadsheet! Super useful.

It is only 2 seats. You cannot sit in the middle.

It means it is different to your ID.3 model?

Yes.

@@BatteryLife how is the leg room in the back seats? I heard it is worse than 58kwh battery id3

@@person2186 You heard wrong: the battery is just a bit longer, space had been reserved for it in the underfloor, so no change whatsoever.

It is online somewhere. 2 seats and a hard very uncomfortable part in the middle, where you can put stuff.

There it is: goingelectric.de/forum/download/file.php?id=102142 goingelectric.de/forum/download/file.php?id=102141

Here the Kona has a shorter range: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gdKWmrehsb-Zo58.htmlm35s and calculation is way off. With winter tyres nextmove had it at 20.7 kW / 100 km with an average (gps) speed of 116 km/h.

At the end, it probably depends on the way how you drive the car (and how you measure). I drive Kona 64 with Ganzjahresreifen since March 2019 and had never seen 20 kW / 100 or above at 120 km/h speed. (real speed probably 115-116)

@@konachim In comparison we see 18.9 kW / 100 km for Kona at 28 degrees (!) and 20.1 kW / 100 km for ID.3 Plus at 13 degrees. drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/1HOwktdiZmm40atGPwymzrxErMi1ZrKPP?usp=drive_open I feel the temperature difference (air density) is responsible for 1 kWh, so the consumption should probably be within tolerances.

Abraxas Tulammo 28 degree w/o climatization? Again, you will get what and how you measure. Nextmove presented a comparison some days ago and they saw huge differences. So, lets agree that we are all right ;-) (from our standpoint) . By the way, nice collection, thanks for the link!

Sorry for you.

It is more complain that it affects testing. Optimally you would maintain constant speed for the reproducible range test. Construction zones introduce yet another variables reducing quality of the data.

@@movax20h yes I know, but it’s just the irony that construction zone speed limits in Germany are faster than normal speed limits in other countries. For even more accuracy, testing could be done on a Dyno. No variations then 🙂

True. But if you need more space...

Kona can do this range but with max 110-115kmh. With 130 kmh speed Kona has a worse consumption than id3

@@artem10789 true but battery is bigger and the id3 is considerably more expensive

Simon Greening id3 is cheaper than Kona. It starts at 36.000 euro(58 kWh)Battery is bigger it is true, because of this Kona a little bit more range than 58 kWh id3. On the other hand The 77 kWh id3 version has more range than Kona but starts at 41.000 euro.

Family Life In Berlin what’s the cost of the 77 version?

The 77 one should get about 30 % more range. If you would like to keep a certain safety buffer, the usable capacity is even better.

@@abraxastulammo9940 So technically you can achieve over 500 km/t ?

@@jonpetter8921 Depending on environmental conditions and driving speed, yes. Should be possible at 90 km/h.

@@abraxastulammo9940 Indeed with controlled driving and better tyres.

If VW gives me one. But I don't know if it would be that much faster.

@@BatteryLife of course, at equal consumption and speed it's 15 kWh less to charge (10 minutes) and 20% less time spent for the further charge needed :-)

We don't know yet.

2000 kWh free with First Edition. Then 50 cent or 30 cent per kWh with 10€ a month.

@@BatteryLife 55 Cent, not 50 without monthly fee.

move to Europe

No idea. Kona has zero space though. But better regen.

@@BatteryLife Thank you very much for your video as you can see that it is a German car hahaha 385 trunk id3 kona 332 without counting the hidden part where a spare wheel fits perfectly. the id3 77kwh has two 3-seater kona rear seats, where does the id3 have more space? according to these data, the kona with 64 kwh does more than 130 km with nexxen tires. With type A you do 40 km more if these data are correct that battery would not be efficient at all, the id3 .54 kwh with 21 kwh less would be much more efficient than the id3 77 kwh and if the kona regenerates at 150 kw the id3 at 33 kw

I am talking about the space for the people in backseats.

At 130 kmh Kona has a worse consumption than id3

@@artem10789 that is an incorrect data the id3 54 kwh if it is more efficient than the kona but only for one reason because the kona has type C tires we are talking about the id3 77 kwh and according to the test data it is not more efficient than the kona or with nexxen type c tires

Yes, that is the main weigh difference. If this car has the glass roof, that also adds weight.

@@NeilBlanchard can't get tow hook nor glass roof

winter tires are responsible for higher consumption

@@EinzigfreierName With all season tyres the consumption went up 0.6 kWh or nearly 5 % in WLTP. 526 km instead of 549 km range with 19".

@@dercapndirk They may well be, but they are not always - Nokian Hakka R3 winter tires are some of the most efficient tires of any type.

LG afaik

A lot. Range, cost and refueling time is not everything. Especially when the average person drives 40km a day. btw look at the uk. Patrol stations empty.

@@BatteryLife i understand you. Sadly my trip to work and beck home is 250km. I have no chance to spend extra hour to fill up car, cose im good 3 hours on the roud every day, just for getting to work and home. For me would be car with range at least 500km ideal.

Correct.

They are Hankook, I think; but we don't know what model.

@@NeilBlanchard Saw the hankook sign on the car right after i asked. im looking for winter tyres right now for an id3 215/55/18... looking for low reistance, low noise and good grip. in that order. and well.. seems lieke a jungle. shortlist continental, nokian michelin, pirelli and good yer. no specific order.

@@jesupojk Nokian Hakka R3 are some of the most efficient tires you can buy, and they happen to be very good winter tires, and are very quiet, too. Michelin X-Ice 3 are also very low rolling resistance, and good winter performance.

Neil Blanchard The R3’s Seems to hit the spot.

I don't want to annoy people.

In germany winter tyre is mandatory in winter conditions. 20 october is not far away from winter. If he goes in the mountains. Meet quick change of temp and conditions. Make an accident all the insurance companies will pay him zero even if the guilt is in the other car in the accident.

4 seatbelts. 2 seats ;)

I always say 77 kWh. That is the usuable energy from the 82 kWh battery.

@@BatteryLife what I’m saying is everybody on videos etc claim it to be 77kw but when launched VW states 82kw does it charge at the stated 150kw VW claim?

I might buy one for my company these are questions I’ll be asking Volkswagen but I’ll only look at the Tour 82kw model the lesser models are no good for range I wonder if the 20” you will get more range too ...

It is a 82 kWh battery. 77 kWh are usuable for driving. Charging speed is stated ah 125 kW. I did a charging video

Tires do not make that much difference.

No

He is Chris not Björn 😁

Winter tires and driving 130 kmh. Wltp range is not 100% highway speed.

@@BatteryLife WLTP is at 90 if I'm not mistaken.

Das war die 58 kWh version.

This is the lowest trim of the Pro S.

Winter tires, phone mic

WLTP has a 131 km/h component.

NO

"Normale" Reisegeschwindigkeit ist wohl eher subjektiv... Ich fahre meist 130 - (noch) mit Diesel, ist viel entspannter und man braucht kaum länger.

150 Sachen? In heutigen Zeiten sind das nicht unbedingt normale Reisegeschwindigkeiten.

@@RobinKnapp geschäftlich passt das mit 130 leider oft genug nicht. Kommt auch auf die Strecke an. Ich hatte letztens einen Golf 8 TDi, gleiche Infotainment system, wie der ID3. Lenkassistent, ACC, Frontassistent, Schildererkennung und die 190 waren super entspannend. 1200km ohne Probleme und nur 2mal tanken. :) E zu fahren ist aber angenehmer, keine Vibrationen, leiser. Nur mit 120/130 klappt es nicht mit den Terminen. 150 und top-up sollte aber klappen.

@@larsradtke4097 Ist 150 besser als 160?

Winter tires!

Wltp and highspeed speed are 2 complete different things!

Kauf halt Ioniq wenn er besser passt, am besten günstig den 28er, der noch richtig gut laden konnte. 👍

Nope