Hi Chris...your wind screen is schmutzig! I kept rubbing my iPad and the schmutz didn’t go away!

Awesome cars, and thanks for the data! One more thing to consider: The black ID.3 will naturally gather more heat, so the efficiency difference might be a little less when comparing two cars of the same color. Signed, Jealous in America

What's even more spectacular is that his car is also heavier than yours as he has a heavy glass roof and other equipment that's not in your car.

Awesome test, would be great to repeat it at different temps, like at -10 C and +10, +20 C, just to see how the difference plays out.

The heat pump extracts heat from outside air and other car systems inverters, motor, battery (shared coolant loop). This is why the black ID3 arrived with a colder battery and charged slower. Some of the efficiency gained with the lower heat consumption is then lost with the car trying to heat up the battery to get higher speed. That is why the numbers don't add up at the end, the black ID3 also used a few kwh trying to heat up the battery. Also take into account that all the metal pipes and extra weight of the heat pump system around as deadweight in the summer so negatively affecting consumption in the other part of the year. I hope radiant heating integrated into dashboard and door panels will be implemented by more OEMs. A small strip can heat you up with 100-200 watt, saves weight, energy and reduces complexity.

Purely speaking on the break even point for the imho too expensive heat pump it just means that you have to drive forever. Thanks for the great test.

24°C! I recall a race in Norway with an Ioniq, a new Leaf and an old Leaf. At night and all had heating off to spare electricity, driving in a thick winter jackets 😆

Great test, thanks! In Canada VW just made the heat pump an option for 2023 ID.4's but they have little info on what exactly it does and what its best use case is. A deep dive with a VW heat pump expert would be a very helpful video if you are looking for ideas. Thanks again for all your great and helpful videos.

Thank you very much for your time and effort to both of you! Nice to have the heat pump in the ID.3 Tour version 👍⚡️

I have been planning to buy an EV and really this channel has everything i need ... From car reviews, range tests, comparisons, general information on electric cars , literally every info i ever need is here .. thanks man

Thank you for the excellent Test and especially, that you have shown the kWh at Charging station to get back to 80%. This reduces the risk that VW is just falsifying the values. Would be also interesting If you compare different cars

fabulous real world comparison. your videos are the best!!!

I like how you got the mic with an extension cable, i had the same idea but never saw anyone do it, i feel validated 🤩

Great comparison! Thanks for going to so much trouble, to Knut as well.

So conclusion: a heat pump really helps!

Before i even watch this , judging by title This is best !!! Thank yal !!

2:31 "He is here in the back...I hope you can see" *Shows empty rear bench* This is actually creepy, I hope there will be no invisible shovel guy some time... 🙈😂

Nice review. I hope it could be done at temps lower than -10.

Great test, I'm satisfied that I ordered the Max with a heat pump.

Interesting review. I ordered an ID.3 with a heatpump last week.

Thanks for another great video stay safe and safe travels

That was a great comparison. Thank you to you both! I believe the ID4 coming to Canada will have the heat pump standard which will help even more in colder temperatures. Love your channel! VW should be paying you for these tests!

Ok, so my estimation of 10% higher consumption was not that far off. But you need to drive a lot of miles to offset the price of the heat pump.

Main benefit is more range you can get :)

Great test thanks! I suspect that your friend's car with the heat pump charged slightly slower after the test because the heat pump had done it's job transferring heat from the battery to the cabin. It's a pity the cars didn't have Car Scanner running so that you could see the battery temperatures.

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Thanks for the test! Very useful indeed.

In another channel they did it with a e-niro, in a simpler way. They heated both cabins and measured time to get the temperature, it is very different and de consumption was measured in odometer of the car.

I think there might be a difference in battery temperature because your HVAC took additional power from the battery. Also his heat pump might use heat from the battery.

Thanks for your test. I'm looking for a newer EV than my 7 year old Leaf. I'll stop worrying about whether it has a heat pump now. Nice to have, but not vital.

Chris, thank you for this comparison. I wish that VW also had the the direct heating defroster - this is very helpful in below freezing temperatures, when it is snowing and/or sleeting and/or freezing rain. The temperature you had for this test is probably about ideal for the heatpump. As the temperature drops, it is harder and harder for it to gather the heat, and eventually, it has to supplement the heatpump with - resistance heating. Do you both have the same generation of software?

In lower speed like city driving the difference will be much higher

Place where I live (Northern Finland) the January average temperature is below -10°C. Here all ID.3 and ID.4 models have heat pumps. I am waiting for my ID.4 to come in April 2021.

Much better efficiency, but the cost savings are not going to pay it off. I'd go for it just for the range boost.

Great test.

After about two hours of driving, the PTC car had used 84 cents more electricity. The heat pump option costs 1243 EUR (3% more next year), so you‘d have to drive close to 3000 hours in winter for it to pay for itself. Clearly, the heat pump doesn‘t make financial sense. However, I got it in my ID.3 so I could be lazy in winter and not really think about the heater, so I can turn on the heater 10 minutes before I get to the car or go an extra 20-30 km before recharging. Was it worth it? Probably not, but hey, financially, a used e-Golf would be far more economical. :-)

Could be the charging point regarding the charging speed difference. I was using ionity and only getting 38kw at one charger - moved to a different charger and got 120kw

My maths might be wrong, but if you take just the price of the heatpump at €1243, you would need to drive nearly 244000km to make back the cost!

We do like our toys.

Regarding the last question: you cannot extrapolate charge values to get the battery capacity. An ID3 charging 10% in 1 hour and using 3 kwh to heat up the batery and with charging loss, will end up using 5,8 + 3 = 8,8 kwh. That does not mean it has 88 kwh usable capacity, it just has higher loses. Also your ID3 has a top buffer. I would be very surprised if you have less than 100% capacity at the moment.

my two observations.. 1. very inefficient at 16-17 kWh/ 100km, it should be around 13-14 at that temperature and speed! 2. why is the charging not at 90-100kW?

10:19 But you have a simple air conditioner with R1234yf that any garage can handle. Not the new R744 CO² with >80 bar pressure. The seals are very sensitive and it's difficult to keep the system tight. In addition, a regular climate maintenance may be carried out in the future. After all, the heat pump has an influence on the WLTP consumption.

There is one confounding factor unaccounted for. Black cars absorb sunshine to heat. White cars reflect light & reduce heat retention. Best to repeat this test in evening after sunset..

Thanks, great video, and very interesting. I have an EV6 and the heat pump is a £900 extra, I doubt here in the UK it will ever pay for itself, but if range is all important, then yes. I charge at home for 5p/unit,and rarely have to use public chargers, so the extra cost of heating for a few months a year is negligible, but if you want max range, and pay Ionity rates, then, maybe.

Seems like something was wrong with the heat pump in the ID.3 in the nextmove test 10 days ago. the heat pump here does what one would expect.

I think you should repeat the test when it is colder. It has been quite warm here in southern Germany this late November.

I drive the same car (with Heatpump)at a maximum of 20 degrees Celsius. At 24 degrees Celsius, the consumption is of course quite high.

Coole Idee für ein Video.

Vielen Dank für diesen Test. Interessant wäre der Vergleich im Stadtverkehr. Meine Durchschnittsgeschwindigkeit über mehrere Wochen liegt bei 40-50 km/h... Dann ist der Heizungsverbrauch schon ein wesentlich höherer Anteil als auf der Autobahn...

I think the problem is in the charger. You can't assume both chargers will work the same. One can have a problem. Also battery temperature can be different because maybe you heat them differently(heat pump against PTC).

It’s the cold. Losses in and losses out thru inverter. Same capacity

I would like to see this test but in the winter

Did he had heater on when charging? Because what I understand the heat pump is cooling the battery when producing heat to the cabin. Or then it can be that battery was that much cooler from being cooled for the whole trip.

Sehr interessant! Wenn man von 21° statt 24° C und 130 km/h Autobahntempo statt 85 km/h ausgeht, dann sinkt der Heizungsverbrauch pro 100 km deutlich (ca. Häfte). Und gleichzeitig steigt noch der Antriebsverbrauch, so dass die WP prozentual dann wohl nur ca. 3% mehr Reichweite bringt. Ein großer 77er Akku kostet den 2 bis 3-fachen Aufpreis ggü. der WP (bei gleicher Ausstattung, sofern das zu vergleichen geht) und bringt immer ca. 30% mehr Reichweite. Interessant wäre noch ein Kurzstreckenvergleich mit und ohne WP, wobei das Auto zwischenzeitlich immer abkühlt und die gefahrene Geschwindigkeit niedriger ist. PS: Bitte optional automatische Untertitel aktivieren (oder kommt das noch von selbst?).

Maybe those two Ionity chargers aren't exactly the same?

Thank you! Very interesting! One question: Do the cars have the same tyres?

This is the test I’ve been waiting for. As I could drive 200km a day x5 times a week would make a difference. Would it be more if colder

i think different charge speeds could also be because of different batterie temperatures. Isn´t it possible to read the batterie temp via obd2?

Seriously 24 degress 😲 hot.. Sweating temperatur. I use 21 degress in My car. So think for most People the difference will be more or less 5%

Great test. Thank you. But why 24C? No one drives like that in winter? Could it be more realistic to do test at 20-21? I bet the difference would not be that big

Hallo ihr als VW id3 Fahrer , habe ich eine Frage zur vw ladekarte we Charge. Habt ihr die ? Was kostet die monatlich und was kostet DC Gleichstrom laden die kWh? Danke

danke

Wow, those chargers are expensive. I pay 1/6th or about 1.04 EUR / 100km for at home charging (15KWH) in Vancouver, Canada

Do you know the reason why you don't receive full 100kw charging speed at 20% SoC? Last weekend I had an ID3 for a longer test drive and after 100km on the highway (1-2 °C outside) I plugged in at Ionity and only got about 39-45kw charging speed. As far as I know the ID3 has heated battery system. Is this just a software issue at the moment or is the battery heating system not working properly?

A smaller than expected difference in charged or rather delivered kWh between both cars could be realized in (the unlikely) case he forgot to shut down the heater while having his hatch wide open all the time. 🤔

Chris - did the other id3 owner had your software update? May explain the capacity difference. Also I guess the SOC may have been slightly off in your case also because of slightly colder battery (you didn't drive 400km before). Anyhow great test!!!

About charging speed. With heatpump less power out of battery means it was running colder and that equals slower charging?

Are those the entry battery 49kWh ID3s lol? Because discharged energy amounts are very strange: -White ID 1.44*17.7=25.488/0.60=42.48 kWh -Black ID 1.44*16.5=23.76/0.51=46.58 kWh

Hallo Chris, ich glaube ihr habt beim letzten Laden ein Fehler gemacht. Knut hatte die ganze Zeit seine Heckklappe offen, sodass die Heizung die ganze Zeit den Innenraum stark aufheizen musste. Dadurch hat er mehr Strom beim Laden verbraucht.

Hi, I am planning to get an Skoda Enyaq iV80 77kwh battery. Same platform as Id3/ID4. Max one way trip would be around 160km. Soft winters here, 7c to -5c. Now I am thinking; should I go for the heat pump or in stead go for Full Led Matrix lights? Any advise?

so if his battery holds more kWh than yours than his 80 % is more range automatically. there is also what is the price difference between heat pump car and not as this is what you need to make back over time to make it worth having.

So does this mean you lost some 8% of your battery capacity in just a few months of ownership and roughly 10 000 km driven?

I’ve just bought a 1st plus, does anyone know if VW can add in a wireless phone charger?

Okäi, batt wei dont ju schpiek tschörmen?

Hello Chris, and thanks for your test! Could you tell me if there is a way to check heat pump presence in the car? I'm waiting for my ID3 with this option ;-)

Is there a preheating system in the ID.3? Similar to Tesla with the Tesla app? Where you can turn on heat and heated seats while ID.3 is plugged in and outside?

Hi, thanks for compare, BUT another thing - consumption of id3 seems to be too much high.. Cruise control set to 85km/h on the highway..??! by cca 17kw/100km... What about consumption by usually legal speed 130km/h?? Sorry but BEV must have to go loooong way of inovation before they will be really usable on highway... (i have BEV too, - friend of electromobility, but this si not good efficiency from VW for year 2020)

What you gain in the winter you lose in the summer. Id3 with heat pump uses CO2 gas for the climate control instead of R1234YF. CO2 is less efficient and uses more power

This still doesn't answer the question is the heat pump worth it. If the pump is an option should I buy it if mainly my journeys are short. KZfaqrs are obsessed with range and most people don't drive large distances in one go.

You are useing power for phones ect. Does that make a difference in consumption of power?

Did his trip meter "since charge" also not work? Have you checked those too? Also: those charging speeds weren't great... 🤔 (we know it can do better 😉)

hhhh，chris，you make the socks which vw send you into mask? hhhhh

also wheels can make a difference.. you compared 19" with 20" am I right?

hi... I'm new owner and I have question about heat pump. how do you hnow it's working? I have it but can't compare heating efficienty with someone who doesen't have it? when does pump start work? does it trigger right on when cabine temperature is set few degrees above outside temp? do I need to A/C turn on or not? I bought it but how can I tell is it working? :)

What ? I can buy a ID3 without heat pump, why ?

Never buy any E car WITHOUT a Heat Pump. Its false economy. The Heat Pump is highly efficient and will not only give you much longer Driving Range in the winter, but it will allow you to heat the car continuously at 24 Degrees C. and it will add strong resale value in the future. always BUY the heat pump model car !

Hmm, but his car is black so it would get heated more by the sun, that should also make some difference. I don't know how much that would be. Perhaps you should have waited for a cloudy day, or even done it in the evening when it's dark.

I thought VW promisses 30% more range?

Darn it VW! You said it "wasn't a big difference." UGH!

Chris, what % difference would you expect at +5 degrees Celsius? Thanks

18kWh im Schnitt bei Autobahntempo 90. Das ist ja ein Verbrauch, der sich mit der SUV-Riege messen kann... Und wenn bei SOC 20% am HPC Lader mit 60 kW geladen wird, dann ist der id auch nicht gerade ein Ladewunder... Soll das etwa so sein, dass man auf Langstrecken immer möglichst den Akku leer fährt um schnell zu laden??? Und über ne halbe Stunde von 29% auf 80% ist auch nicht wirklich rekordverdächtig... Also BMS technisch haut mich der id definitiv nicht vom Hocker. Lang lebe der Ioniq.

How can it be that VW releases a car without heatpump? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. Also, we dont have the time to waste energy, sustainable or not.

How crazy expensive charging is...

You don't really need to wear face masks if you're outside and keeping distance. 😀 Or is that some German law?

black car gets much hotter inside on a sunny day. this test is wrong.

Leave it to the German company to make you pay extra!

From start is non sense. You are comparing apples with pears.

For the love of god, just buy a bluetooth mic

Sling those mask in the bin and I will listen to you.

Stupid face masks