Basically the only channel that does range tests.

90km/h is bullshit. Trucks in Germany go a little faster than this. range @ 120km/h is low as fuck... 300km? really? Range at 160 km/h would be interesting. 200km or less? If you want to waste money and time, buy a id4....

@@imresomodi4961 Only in Germany you can go over 120km/h and only on the autobahn. In any other country it's illegal. And how often will you travel 300km in one trip, maybe you but not many people. I do think it's a bit expensive though and a Skoda Enyaq looks like a better deal.

@@imresomodi4961 120 km/h is 75miles/h, decent, legal speed for US...

@@howtoduit France : 130km/h

@@howtoduit The Enyaq is more expensive when you add the 'options' to bring it up to same spec as ID trims. Too many complicated and expensive options on the Enyaq.

Dealerships are going to be challenged. Customers will know far more about EV's than the sales staff.

🤣

@@lesbendo6363 I know more about this car than the VW salesman who was trying to sell me one the other day. Just from watching youtube videos. Was a bit sad how little he knew about the car.

Well indeed. I had to show them the gesture control as well

@@lesbendo6363 Yes and no. The early adopters yes but your average Joe which this car is aimed at won't know a whole lot.

Not really for me... I live in germany and here we have no speed limits on the highways, so I travel daily a lot faster than 120km/h and my Audi TDi lasts at least 900 km with a full tank; if I changed for something like the ID4, I would be out of juice in 200-250 km... (at 120 km/h he had battery for just under 300 km range).

@@ricarmig Yeah sure, 900km on the Autobahn, keep dreaming. My Audi A5 TDI is empty after 350km on the Autobahn.

@@ricarmig Then the EV car is not for you. Maybe wait for the EQS?

@@lorenzmuller4000 you have a TDi (not TSI) that after 350 km is empty?! Lolol only if you have the 3.0 TDI V6 (286 PS) version, giant tires and you drive over 220 km/h for the 350 km. On my A4 2.0 TDi and no crazy speeds (150 - 180 km/h) I get that autonomy (~900 km, at 90-100 km/h I get 1200 km) and that with over 100.000 km made.

@@edgy21 so much money I don't have 😀 but it looks promising! I think most issues with low range will be fine as soon as most buildings / companies start installing fast charging points. Sadly for "big" countries like Germany where you drive fast and a lot: - EVs are very ineffective at high speeds - on the highways, only a few charging points charge fast - on highways the electricity price is absurd! (Energy price in Germany comparison to the USA is absurd, very expensive) On a diesel you can fill up cheap on the city and drive a lot, then you are at your destiny city and if you need, you fill up again in 5 minutes; in an EV you'll stop on the highway charging points at least 1-2x and you'll pay big time to fill up. And it doesn't take 5 minutes. Nevertheless for not so big driving I would gladly buy a Tesla Y (as soon as they are produced in Berlin) or the new KIA

The curve would not be similar. It would probably go to 170 kW at low SOC and then go down in a straight line. It would still shave around 6 minutes of the 5-80% charge time.

The Dacia Sandero petrol has a 550 miles range at 70 mph for £10k. I wonder what the spring will have and for how much.

Dried Mangos are the cure to being “so fed up with Winter”🤒

Yes, I'm thinking about going with 225s all-round, and see if it would make a big difference in range. Especially in winter it is good to have every bit of energy saving

@@abraxastulammo9940 it's quite funny that 225 wheels are said to be small these days... I checked in the street here and most common sizes are 205 and 215. And yes, for sporty driving it might make sense. But a car that does 0-100 in 8.5s is not sporty... I'd rather have the extra range if its a significant difference.

and better price tag !

Yes, I meant that Ah was one of the variables.

I would expect at some point in the future...

Agree with that...I think when you can go about 350km at 130/140km/h and then charge for 20mins for the next 350 km it is usable for everyone...

Or you just stop a bit more often and have shorter charging stops. In those two or three longer trips that most people do per year. It's a small offer (if any) to significantly decrease your carbon emissions.

@@dirkP38448 in some many countries the limit is 120 or 130. Driving at 130 instead of 120 doesn't even save you a lot of time in reality. If you do 500 km, that is 4h10m at 120 km/h average. It would be 3h51m at 130 km/h. So to save 19 minutes, you have to spend a lot more energy. If it is even possible to sustain that speed on average, with traffic and all.

@@bilgyno1 As I said, I just bought an EV, so I do care about the earth and all its problems. However, if EV’s want to replace ICE cars for good, they have to provide the exact confort that these ones do. as a transition, I accept some compromises, but car manufacturers really have to keep improving EV’s, by improving software, battery range and reliability so supercharging won’t damage it and governments have to invest in proper charging stations. My Kona can charge at 100kw in a fast charger... however, there is not even one charger in my country that can charge faster than 50 kw (Tesla superchargers aside). This can not be. Ionity charges haven’t arrived yet, for example...

@@bilgyno1 just challenge ABRP with My Etron 50. Route 867km from home to switzerland. 140km/h saves 4mins to 120km/h...thats nothing at a 12h trip...But it feels so much faster...thanks

Are you sure? Usually internal resistance is lower at lower SoC. That's why Tesla can charge at 250 kW at low SoW. But at low SoC, voltage drops a lot. And in order to maintain the same power (kW), current needs to be higher. And heat loss is a product of resistance and the squared of current.

@@bjornnyland according to this page batteryuniversity.com/learn/archive/how_does_internal_resistance_affect_performance “The internal resistance of lithium-ion is fairly flat from empty to full charge. The battery decreases asymptotically from 270 mW at 0% to 250 mW at 70% state-of-charge. The largest changes occur between 0% and 30% SoC. “. Also batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/rising_internal_resistance “Li-ion has higher resistance at full charge and at end of discharge with a big flat low resistance area in the middle.” This resistance probably varies from one chemistry to another but I suspect it is fairly typical profile for li-ion. I also suspect that the BMS may switch to even more parallel setup at low SOC to keep available power as high as possible given that battery pack voltage is low and thus the BMS tries to compensate with making as many amps as possible, thus the more parallel setup then. But I am speculating on the latter, no idea if this BMS can do dynamic re-wiring.

There are two different systems in the ID4, Lane Assist will only prevent you from going into another Lane and is (or will be soon) a mandatory system in the EU. Travel Assist is the active function and steers actively in the middle of the Lane.

Yes I also think it is because of the Image.

@@Psi-Storm after incentives the German and American versions are between 1-2000 euro of each other similarly equipped after incentives. Euro price includes all taxes and fees, the American price does not.

How come? In America the Obama administration really took the diesel gate fraud seriously and forced VW to commit to EVs, set up Electrify America and pay billions in fines. In Europe, the Merkel administration lobbied her ass of in Brussels to make sure VW wasn't punished. So, we Europeans can thank Obama for the ID.4 and blame Merkel for us having to pay extortion rates at Ionity...

No, it's actually been more or less confirmed by the head of EVs at Volkswagen. Should be an OTA feature update.

Thanks forvthis nice video. Where have you heard about the 170 kwh charging. Sounds really wild.

@@janolsen9409 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ptB6mcRzks7Sook.html in the charging part of this review there's an interview with the EV boss of Volkswagen where he pretty much says it will be updated.

Welcome to the world of OTA car improvements. 👍

@@rzvqvb Hopefully only OTA Improvements and not degradation as for some cellphones... 😅

There are some tests already, and the ID.4 basically has negligible losses when parked for days.

It has 2.1

Yes, my bad.

Not yet. I have done one not long time ago. Check out my channel.

Check video description.

Björn any idea for OBD dongle for iPhone?

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n7KdfKyWnrTDkX0.html

100 % on this car's display is 96 %.

@@bjornnyland is this the difference between the 82 kWh gross, 77 kWh Net ? One would assume 100% on the gauge is 77 kWh, although some tests have shown that Volkswagen can drive for many more km past 0% SOC. So could be a safety measure.

Yes

That's because the SoC scale in ID3/ID4 is based on Ah which is inaccurate. It should be done like other EVs (not only based on Ah).

@@bjornnyland Its because higher current for the same power which increases the inner resistant od battery and cables, thats what all EVs have to deal with

What's new? Charging curve? Increased battery capacity?

​@@bjornnyland it was misreading on battery state of health and showing less capacity. Also, the energy screen in the car was showing the wrong numbers. Also, unrelated to the fixes - ZE50 is now in CanZE app so you can check the stats there. I think it wasn't added to that app yet when you tested first time.

Model Y is the king of ev suv so far

@@jsd4979 and will remain king with the new cells and new body structure. Lighter car, will be more efficient and with the new cells it’ll charge really quickly.

@@harsimranbansal5355 It will be beyond awesome, just a few months to go. Wooohooo.

But I think the ID. 4 will win the hearts of the people.

Also ionic 5 or Kia ev6

It depends on your driving needs as well as charging options. Most PHEVs have a lousy electric range and are very thirsty if you just run on petrol. But if for example your daily commute is less than 30 km (in total going and back), and that's most of your driving, it can make sense. If you can charge at work reliably, it could be 60 km in total per day. Of course, you'd need to charge every day. Must admit I haven't looked at a lot of PHEVs lately, because they don't fit my need at all. Might be that there are options now with a longer range.

I really can't recommend a PHEV. Prices are almost the same as BEV, but most don't have decent electric only range nor power. A lot also just switch to the ICE when you demand some decent acceleration. The only people who could use a PHEV is the once that can charge at home and/or at work, and dont need to do a lot of highway miles in their every day driving, but need to go long distances at least once a month. If you dont fall in that situation, the best advice is to save up for a BEV or go second hand BEV/ICE...

Yes, Enyaq has the same internals (battery, motor). It's drag coefficient is a bit lower, but it's also a bit bigger. In all it should do even better at higher speeds. You can order it already but waiting times are long...

@@bilgyno1 Ah yes like I thought then, but in my country so far only the RWD version is available and I want the AWD one. That is also why I care alot about the charging speed..

Just remember, the Skoda is more expensive then the ID4.

@@janolsen9409 Not specc for specc as far as I have seen. The ID4 has a lower specc version though with the larger battery which makes it cheaper.

Probably not.

The German channel Nextmove did such a test (high trailer and flat trailer) with the ID.4 in winter conditions. It was actually pretty good! Look it up!

I have now seen the nextmowe video... I dont like the way that they compeare numbers. To bad you dont plan to test it Bjørn, your test is more one to one, so you actualy use the data.