I think thats more of a problem from Garmin their side. Since you don't want to have your software on a competitor their device. Varia Radar is power by Garmin. So you can expect to never see it on a different device. Maybe an external company will make a bluetooth/ant+ device like the Varia.

@@wonglemydongle867 I've discussed this with Wahoo and they didn't put the blame on Garmin. It's Ant+ so if I'm understanding things correctly, it's open source.

@@cusebike5391 Oh boy, if it only was that easy. To view and connect to the Varia Radar you will need a different software. Since the Varia sends data to the Garmin device, the Garmin device is capable of using this data and turning it into your Varia radar screen on the Garmin itself. This means that the software on the garmin is not opensource, from Wahoo's point of view you could do 2 things. Create software to use on the Varia Radar, or make a device like the Varia (probably cheaper and better) themself in the future. They won't create the software since that costs money. If they ever make a device like the Varia they have to delete the Varia software from the Wahoo and its a waste of money. Since its an ant+ device doesn't directly mean that its open source. For example you won't connect your Garmin watch to your Wahoo and expect it to work.

It's an ANT+ profile. www.thisisant.com/developer/resources/tech-bulletin/ant-radar-device-profile-released

Shane Miller - GPLama just mentioned on the video that "all of the above been told are coming soon", and ant+ radar support was on that list, wonder if they will actually update the units to support it, I know at least 50 people on my bike club that don't move to wahoo because can't use their 200usd+ radar lights with it

Same here, thought the video was over and my Bolt was nearby 😂

John Jameson R2D2Wahoo 😂

#realtalk... Check out DCRainmakers write up too. Draws lots of parallels with what I discuss here, and more.

ME TOO! I hate trying to use a touch screen when I'm on the bike!

Agreed. The only thing worse than using my sausage fingers on a small touch screen is using my sausage fingers in gloves on a small touch screen.

I love the Touchscreen on my edge. When you navigate, a Touchscreen is important because you can easy zoom and move the map.

@@quimicos_comunistas I had an edge and I'm going to stick with my opinion that the touchscreen sucked. I can zoom in and out with the side buttons, and I don't have to worry about the screen being clitchy, or my hands being sweaty, or the screen is wet from rain, etc... Shane did some videos on his trials and tribulations with garmin touch screens a while back. I think they sorted some of it out, but I see touch screens as unnecessary, and in my case, unwanted.

I worry my sweat would mess stuff up like has happened on Zwift with my iPhone

99g on the scales (Original Element 105g).

another sleepless night for rides of japan, then a ride to the mountains with some scales

Ahahahhaha !!!

Billy K doesnt strava routes work on your bolt?

@@kayakingants it does but you need to be looking at the map screen because it doesnt notify at turns.

@@billyk2011 yeah that a con cuz everytime I use the unit I need to keep it in map mode where there's no additional info but when I change the page and keep it that even for a short time I always miss the turning

or Sigma Rox 12.0 ?

Edge 520 is a scam. I hate it.

I was looking at the element bolt but I think the 530 would be better too.

Or wait forEdge 1040, and then wait another year for Garmin to fix all of the problems with lost rides, self-resets, freeze-ups, and short battery life.

I agree. I'm ready to be done with Micro USB

Yes! What the hell?

One more cable i need to bring , everything I have is USB-C.Oh my lights I guess.

Agreed! A $300+ device with micro-usb!!!

I would have bought this just for usb c alone. No lie

I'm glad they didn't change too much. The Elemnt and Bolt still reign as the easiest computers in real life. My only hang up is the steep price. I guess Wahoo knows I'm willing to shell out serious $$ for an Elemnt that does true GPS mapping.

The traditional media/review/industry doesn't do follow up reviews, or any-year-later follow ups. The manufacturers pay them to cover what's new. There's no financial incentive for them to do follow ups, or say anything 'bad' about what they cover. Thankfully there's now alternatives. I do a LOT of follow ups with firmware updates / feature additions / etc. This ROAM video was released May 1st 2019. I've done six (or more?) videos on this unit since then. I'm happy to do a one-year-later after May 1st 2020 if I get the time.

@@gplama Thanks for the feedback, and I've seen your updates. Greatly appreciated and very helpful. I guess what I'm asking and what would be most useful/helpful for me would be a 'one-year-later' review of competing units that perhaps looks at the most common problems customers are experiencing (lost data, bricked units, syncing issues, frozen screens, hardware fails, etc.) and compares reliability. Perhaps something along the line of a 'consumer report' kind of video that gives good data on reliability. I suppose data collection would be difficult and require some subjective judgements but data on one-year-later reliability would be THE most important factor in helping me decide which unit (Wahoo Roam or Garmin 530/830) to buy. I'll take a reliable unit that does the basics well, over a unit with all the bells and whistles that I can't trust to work reliably. Anyway, just an idea. FWIW, thanks for the really helpful videos you do.

His post went up right as embargo lifted. He's on the case with the written word over on DCRainmaker.com

Cool.

Agreed. I’m putting faith in all my wish list being implemented!

You should check out Bryton! They have plenty of 24hr+ battery life computers.. For example the Aero 60 with 32hrs! They also have wifi/bt, glonass, beidou and qzss! Furthermore they are modestly priced.

Does Bolt have an update that enabled on-the-fly rerouting? I rode yesterday and it didn't reroute when I went off route.

Not needed for data (power, speed, etc) I believe I mentioned it was handy for the maps where it shows lakes and roads and trails in different colour. So we agree.

@@gplama oh ok sry, so I missunderstood you.

Thanks mate. This took a lot of time... mostly getting the rides in (which is a good thing!) :)

*Colour-ish. Ray counted 7.... it enhances the map view ^2.

True, mr. Still color and they have not compromised on visability. @@gplama

It's not necessary I think, take a look at this one based on the old models and you will understand why: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pt2CnNpzrpfaqYU.html

Buy Garmin. Get lost with Garmin. That will be maybe good comparison ;)

830 has far superior routing and navigation, always turn by turn, always elevation, rerouting is intelligent, 830 works like car satnav, wahoo doesn’t, and this maximum distance of 110km is just a joke

Mike Prytherch 110km? I did 1000km on it to Vienna from Copenhagen.

@@conceptuallyugly530 It is what Shame said in the video, 110km maximum if it calculates the route, so one of you are wrong :)

Exactly. I wonder if a color display showing black and white is as good to read as an monochrom display. The bolt display is perfect to read WITHOUT backlight in bright sun. A smartphone display has to use a lot of power to be readable in sunlight...

@@TheFlitzpiepe666 , "The visibility of the display in full sunlight is very important to us, previously we had only black/white due to the particular display technology. This new screen uses the same technology and adds 8 color support, while giving even better visibility in sunlight. We took special care to only use color when we thought it added something for the user." // #43 - www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/05/wahoo-element-roam-cycling-gps-in-depth-review.html/comment-page-1#comment-3197419

The RFLKT legacy still lives on, even though the unit wasn't all that popular. A lot of people still believe the Elemnt series still relies on a phone for all function. I have a RFLKT+ here in the Lama Lab. I should review it sometime. :)

@@gplama you definitely should. I was really happy with the RFLKT prior to getting a Garmin. Screen was easy to read.

I was using it with the K-Edge with the adapter for Garmin on the bottom of the ROAM as I was too lazy to change the puck. It should work no worries.

@@benm468 thanks. Although I must say I've not experienced any of those issues with my 800. I guess I may have been lucky with it.

On feature lists and price, yep the Edge wins. The 520 still gives it a nudge. According to the market, there's more to it than feature list length. I'm hopeful the Roam will have all the features on my wishlist rolled into it... soon.... I hope. Saying that, the 830 is on backorder here as I want more hands on with that.

I can hear them... no 1000 to compare with here sorry.

@@gplama Yes, the tones did sound loud from what i heard.. Excellent review by the way. All the Garmins are so faint. Thanks

It's been a while since this launch. There have been a number of updates to the firmware since.

Hmmm. They'd be better purchasing WattBIKE and sorting out global distribution of the ATOM and getting the ATOM X to consumers, not just the commercial market.

Yep.

Stay tuned. Mine is on back order....

@@gplama Same here. My 520 is on the way out. Rubbish battery life. Either 830 or 1030. Wonder if they'll backport the new 830 functionality to the 1030?

I believe some of the new features are coming to the 1030. It is an ageing unit though. We'll see. I'll cover it when the update drops.

I was thrilled to hear the Roam doesn't have touchscreen. Leave that to the smartphones. I want clicks when riding, not taps and swipes.

The Elemnt and BOLT don’t have the street map data required on them to implement this.

There were 'media' breaking embargo like nothing else. It's pretty shitty to see professional organisations screw it up. Most got it right.

Roam BOLT. I'll take two. Then two more when the coloured versions come out. ;)

Does the new one have a shite battery life too?

20 hours, and 40 with added battery pack. Roam has 17 hours. Ofcourse i don’t know what is does in real life as i don’t have one of these anyway.

Garmin Edge units most for testing / data collection. The ROAM comes along for a few rides every now and then if it's in reach as I roll out the door.

@@gplama thanks for reply, edge 530 me then went to the Bolt but was too small so back to 530 but still undecided as I like the Wahoo set up and this would be easier to read for my ageing eyes , dilemma dilemmas 😃

I can hear the sounds and tones.... I didn't do any side by side testing of how loud it was though. Noted for Round #2.

Yes.. everything is in your companion app. Just sync with the new device

It's the same Elemnt/BOLT 1/4 turn mount, yep. I didn't try it in the Wahoo BOLT mount. It ships with a larger aero out-front mount.

There’s no profiles but you switch modes to indoor from the main menu if using indoors.

@@benm468 I've had 3 Garmins with zero issues, but my Bolt has been replaced twice and Kickr 4 times. Sorry but Wahoo hardware just doesn't compare.

@@jakesiney I bought an Edge 530 in May. I’m on the third warranty replacement because they are garbage. First one had firmware issues, second one had the screen stop working, third one sync issues, GPS Nav issues and lost data. Garmin is garbage. Watching this video to find a replacement.

I assume it'll only be the Roam as it'd likely be the head unit itself doing the computation of the provided route. The Elemnt and BOLT don't have street name information. If Strava did get behind this they could likely export the navigation cues and everything would work.... but... business.. I guess... no idea. Tesla are making self driving cars. Cycling can't get directions.... Altimeter. Not sure. Altimeter readings are an art... here's some fun I had a while back getting different readings based on the location/position of an Edge unit on the same ride: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mLapeNeLrZm1kYk.html